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Dumb is as dumb does! Epson P800 ABW in Lightroom
« on: May 05, 2016, 04:03:03 pm »

OK, go easy on me.  The only reason I'm sharing this is to perhaps help someone else who makes this bone-headed mistake.

I was making some reprints for a client of B&W architecture images in ABW mode on my SC P800.  First print came out "way too dark/black" using the same print template I've been using for a couple of months now that includes the default ABW settings in Neutral.  I checked everything 10 different times in the driver settings, the print job settings in LR, etc.   Round and round in circles.  No joy...

"Finally" I noticed that somehow the dam%$$#&*^%ed "Print Adjustment" check box got "checked" and that the "brightness" slider was at -100.  Doh!  Idiotic.  I hate that stupid "Print Adjustment" gizmo in the first place.  Why anyone would ever use it is beyond me.  Adobe should delete it from LR and then pistol whip the idiot who put it there in the first place.   ;D

So, be careful out there.  I know I "must have" checked it by accident somehow, but I managed it without realizing it.  Arrggghhh.....

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Re: Dumb is as dumb does! Epson P800 ABW in Lightroom
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2016, 04:36:50 pm »

Or at the very least be able to 'hide' that little sub-panel.

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Re: Dumb is as dumb does! Epson P800 ABW in Lightroom
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2016, 07:39:32 pm »

I hate that stupid "Print Adjustment" gizmo in the first place.  Why anyone would ever use it is beyond me. 

Amen brother! I hate it too and (during 'beta') complained till I was blue in face, got nowhere. Just an awful idea. IF the image is too dark due to the RGB values, fix it. If the print is too dark, due to something in the print path, fix that. Instead we have this stupid set of sliders that ensures that, any other app on the planet but LR will produce a different result than LR.
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Re: Dumb is as dumb does! Epson P800 ABW in Lightroom
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2016, 09:05:24 pm »

Amen brother! I hate it too and (during 'beta') complained till I was blue in face, got nowhere. Just an awful idea.

The reason your complaining was due to the fact that it was an idea from Thomas Knoll (I reenter him talking about a simple way of print adjustment) during our trip to Antarctica...the fact is, if icc profiling of display & monitor still can't get a match, the Print Adjustment is a simple solution. Yes, it offends your CM beliefs but sometime a simple work around works :~)

Yeah, I don't actually use it except for writing about it for The Digital Print...
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Re: Dumb is as dumb does! Epson P800 ABW in Lightroom
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2016, 09:11:04 pm »

The reason your complaining was due to the fact that it was an idea from Thomas Knoll (I reenter him talking about a simple way of print adjustment) during our trip to Antarctica...the fact is, if icc profiling of display & monitor still can't get a match, the Print Adjustment is a simple solution. Yes, it offends your CM beliefs but sometime a simple work around works :~)
Well it illustrates to me, while Thomas is a super smart guy, he's not infallible. But you (and presumably he) heard my bitching about it before the release. It's a huge KLUDGE!

IF the issue is the display being too bright, resulting in prints appearing too dark in comparison, the compensation should aimed at the display! Then, the user would/could produce RGB values that are correct (sound) and when printed in LR or anywhere else, using the same profile and print path, everything would match. It can't as it's working now. Again, a massive kludge.


So no, it should not be IMHO a print adjustment. Certainly not in a path where we are supposed to pick an ICC output profile! Let it work with Printer Manages Color, fine. What it should be is a display adjustment instead. IF we're talking about people who are so clueless they don't or can't or will not properly calibrate their displays.

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Re: Dumb is as dumb does! Epson P800 ABW in Lightroom
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2016, 09:13:23 pm »

It's a huge KLUDGE!

Yep, it's a kludge but Thomas is in love of "magic numbers" (or making code adjustments to get the final result correct as he wanted). But, it's Thomas...what are ya gonna do?
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« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2016, 09:31:29 pm »

But, it's Thomas...what are ya gonna do?
Bitch and moan. Didn't do any better than when I bitched about LR mobile (actually that was worse).  ;D
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« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2016, 10:10:10 pm »

Didn't do any better than when I bitched about LR mobile (actually that was worse).  ;D

But you can't blame Thomas for LrM...we ll know who's to blame for that :~(
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« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2016, 10:16:35 pm »

But you can't blame Thomas for LrM...we ll know who's to blame for that :~(
I didn't/don't blame Thomas for that. I was suggesting that bitching, what we've called tough love, in my case resulted in not having anything more to say about LR. And after that? Couple color bugs that shouldn't have ever been released and took like 8 months for you-know-who to get it on his radar and fixed. Because he and the team were, and continue to be, too focused on Mobile and not steering the LR ship away from icebergs.  :-X
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Re: Dumb is as dumb does! Epson P800 ABW in Lightroom
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2016, 06:37:48 pm »

Or at the very least be able to 'hide' that little sub-panel.

Yes, indeed.  Actually, I think you could make an argument for relocating the Draft Mode Printing checkbox, the Managed by Printer ‟Profile” (it's not really a profile), and the Print Adjustment checkbox into their own separate collapsible panel.  I've been tripped up more than once by the Managed by Printer option — either aborting a print job at the last minute or, in a few cases, failing to notice it had been selected until it was too late.  I acknowledge my own fat-fingering was probably at fault, and I don't see any need to remove these options entirely, but I also don't understand how any of them is particularly useful in a print workflow that is based on soft-proofing — I don't recall, but I presume all of them antedate the introduction of soft-proofing to Lightroom — and accidentally selecting any of them can result in wasting paper and ink.
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