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Epson legacy paper not available in the UK!
« on: May 03, 2016, 12:12:24 pm »

Just rung Epson UK to see why we can't get Legacy paper in the UK (it was recommended by Kevin and Jeff Schewe in their video on Printing with the P800). The answer was that the American version of the P800 uses different inks to the UK version (due to EU law! supposedly) and the Legacy paper in the USA is only designed to work with those inks. A different version of the Legacy paper would have to be produced in the UK and no decision has been made to do that.

I can't even import the Legacy paper from the USA to try out, because Epson have placed a ban on dealers exporting it to the UK!!!

Amazing!

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Re: Epson legacy paper not available in the UK!
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2016, 12:30:16 pm »

If you read my review of the Legacy papers on this website, you would see that I also used them in the Canon Pro-1000 printer successfully. As well, Epson provides Legacy paper profiles for other Epson printers than the P800. Therefore I don't believe the papers are only meant to be used with this one printer. In fact it's hard to believe they would design a whole line of paper for the general market that only works with one printer model. Even if it's true that inks for the European market need to be somehow different (also a first hearing of such a thing), I think it's just a matter of profiling the papers for the different printers/inks in order to obtain fine results. So on the surface of it, none of this makes sense to me. Maybe there is more to learn!
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Re: Epson legacy paper not available in the UK!
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2016, 12:40:32 pm »

Yeah, that's BS. It's better explained by the fact that EU companies Canson and Felix Schoeller originated these papers. Those are the originals, and Epson's are the re-marketed versions, with maybe a restriction that it is for USA only (?)

You don't say which specific ones you want, but e.g. just buy Canson Platine/ Baryta. It's the same.
Or if you really must have Epson Legacy versions, I'm positive you'll find a dealer who'd ship them. Just can't believe that makes economic sense when identical papers are sold in EU.

See this thread for proof they all are basically the same, give or take the finest hair-splitting:
http://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=109982.msg905205#msg905205
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Re: Epson legacy paper not available in the UK!
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2016, 03:35:22 pm »

Epson had no choice but to get on board with Schoeller and Canson (or Hahnemuhle). No serious printers that I know have used any of the Epson papers for a long, long time, and even then they were the ones made by Legion.  They were loosing paper market share year after year. Even their rc papers are inferior to Canson and Schoeller. Their only usable fiber gloss media was the "Exhibition Fine Art" that was so full of dye brighteners as to be almost a joke for an expensive (signature worthy) art paper. They didn't have any smooth matte bright paper that could compete in the high-emd so they had to do something. I think Epson is going in the right direction better inks, better papers, and hopefully less clogging head design.

Today I'm using the Canson Rag Photographique in a 13x19 box and the Epson Legacy Fiber in a 44" roll printing the same work, right now. There is no difference with Canson and HP inks ( and that's a good thing ) other than at the moment the Legacy Fiber is costing me $35.00 less a roll. There is also no practical difference between either of the Platines either using the Canon inks.

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Yeah, that's BS. It's better explained by the fact that EU companies Canson and Felix Schoeller originated these papers. Those are the originals, and Epson's are the re-marketed versions, with maybe a restriction that it is for USA only (?)

You don't say which specific ones you want, but e.g. just buy Canson Platine/ Baryta. It's the same.
Or if you really must have Epson Legacy versions, I'm positive you'll find a dealer who'd ship them. Just can't believe that makes economic sense when identical papers are sold in EU.

See this thread for proof they all are basically the same, give or take the finest hair-splitting:
http://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=109982.msg905205#msg905205
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Re: Epson legacy paper not available in the UK!
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2016, 05:00:12 pm »

Just rung Epson UK to see why we can't get Legacy paper in the UK (it was recommended by Kevin and Jeff Schewe in their video on Printing with the P800). The answer was that the American version of the P800 uses different inks to the UK version (due to EU law! supposedly) and the Legacy paper in the USA is only designed to work with those inks. A different version of the Legacy paper would have to be produced in the UK and no decision has been made to do that.

I can't even import the Legacy paper from the USA to try out, because Epson have placed a ban on dealers exporting it to the UK!!!

Amazing!

Bob frost :

The Arca Proline Vibrant Superior FineArt Rag Silk 305 gsm is an even closer match to the Epson Legacy Platine. Made by Felix Schoeller.  Pricing will be acceptable, P&P to the UK may be more expensive.
http://www.arca.nl/catalogus/inkjetpapier/pro-line+vibrant+papier+%26+canvas/superior+fotopapier/superior+fineart+silk+rag%2c+satin+305grm%C2%B2/

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Re: Epson legacy paper not available in the UK!
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2016, 06:03:31 pm »

The Arca Proline Vibrant Superior FineArt Rag Silk 305 gsm is an even closer match to the Epson Legacy Platine. Made by Felix Schoeller.  Pricing will be acceptable, P&P to the UK may be more expensive.
http://www.arca.nl/catalogus/inkjetpapier/pro-line+vibrant+papier+%26+canvas/superior+fotopapier/superior+fineart+silk+rag%2c+satin+305grm%C2%B2/

That shop doesn't seem to be interested in customers who don't speak dutch.
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Re: Epson legacy paper not available in the UK!
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2016, 08:43:28 pm »

The answer was that the American version of the P800 uses different inks to the UK version (due to EU law! supposedly) and the Legacy paper in the USA is only designed to work with those inks.

Epson UK and Epson USA show the same cat # and the pictures for the cartridges are identical between the two.  A little searching shows that the EU did pass a law that prohibits "smart" chips in cartridges, but I see nothing about the ink itself.

I doubt if the ink is any different, if indeed the papers are not going to be available, it might be more about the source of the paper as had been mentioned, or even simply that Epson didn't feel it could compete with other nearly identical brands which probably are more commonly accessible in those markets than they are in the U.S.
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Re: Epson legacy paper not available in the UK!
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2016, 09:34:53 pm »

Regarding 'smart' chips, I would think it would be simpler/easier for them to have a slightly tweaked version of teh printer firmware that turns off the 'smarts' of the cartridge (or ignores it) instead of different cartridges.

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Re: Epson legacy paper not available in the UK!
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2016, 10:04:14 pm »

............... A little searching shows that the EU did pass a law that prohibits "smart" chips in cartridges, ...............


It's not quite so clear. There is a difference of opinion between the European Parliament and the European Commission as to whether inkjet cartridges fall under the purview of Article 4 of the EU Directive on Regulation of Electrical and Electronic Products, according to a legal analysis of the Directive, attached. The intent of the legislation is environmental - to assure that the cartridges could be refilled rather than discarded.
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Re: Epson legacy paper not available in the UK!
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2016, 06:01:29 am »

That shop doesn't seem to be interested in customers who don't speak dutch.

It is in The Netherlands. It would surprise me if none of the employees speaks English. German probably the next choice. If you refer to the webpages' language, it can not be that difficult to understand what is available. Whether they are interested enough in selling to the UK etc is something I do not know.

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Re: Epson legacy paper not available in the UK!
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2016, 05:10:53 am »


Platine version:
Ask this company whether they can deliver the Felix Schoeller J23000 True Rag Silk Satin 305 gsm paper. Or ask where you can find it in the UK, relabeled or not.
http://www.peroni.co.uk/inkjet-papers/

Canson Baryta Photographique / Ilford IGFS version: Felix Schoeller J23160 True Baryta 310 gsm

In Italy it is easier:
http://www.photoactivity.com/public/comersus6F/store/comersus_index.asp


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Re: Epson legacy paper not available in the UK!
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2016, 09:01:47 am »

Hey all - how would you say the canson infinity platine and baryta papers compare to the Epson legacy ones ?
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Re: Epson legacy paper not available in the UK!
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2016, 09:14:51 am »

Hey all - how would you say the canson infinity platine and baryta papers compare to the Epson legacy ones ?

Visually close, but read my review of the Legacy papers on this website for technical detail.
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Re: Epson legacy paper not available in the UK!
« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2016, 12:14:45 pm »

thanks Mark for your detailed work - looks like they are very close indeed. I have also read a separate thread on the topic, this helps.
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Re: Epson legacy paper not available in the UK!
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2016, 12:26:05 pm »

You are welcome. Glad it helped.
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