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keithcooper

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New Canon PRO-2000 / 4000 printers
« on: March 04, 2016, 10:54:09 am »

I wasn't expecting to see any info about these for a bit, but as per Canon's usual printer announcements someone rushes ahead  (CPN in this case)

Canon have said they will send me one for a review when available, so not for a few months.  In the meantime I'll update any info I get at:

http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/printers/canon_pro2000-4000.html

The initial CPN info is at

http://cpn.canon-europe.com/content/news/canon_launches_new_large_format_printers.do
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Re: New Canon PRO-2000 / 4000 printers
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2016, 11:34:01 am »

Great! Thanks for the info and, please, keep us posted!
The only thing I could not understand was this:
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Maximum number of delivered prints
Standard position: 1 sheet
Flat position: A2 landscape, glossy paper less than 10 sheets, Coated paper less than 20 sheets (excludes strong curled condition)

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Re: New Canon PRO-2000 / 4000 printers
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2016, 12:12:26 pm »

It appears that the new Canon pro 4000 has only one printhead (1.28" wide) that is larger than the previous one. The 6400, 8400, 9400 use two printheads (1.07" wide). The new 6000S (60" wide) only has 8 inks. It also says the new printers have twice the speed of the previous models, Wi-Fi and direct print from USB memory sticks. They have a new ink set and new chassis.

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Re: New Canon PRO-2000 / 4000 printers
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2016, 02:01:11 pm »

Outstanding printers, I can't wait to get my hands on PRO-4000 :D
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Re: New Canon PRO-2000 / 4000 printers
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2016, 04:13:45 pm »

They only come with 160ml starter cartridges unlike the 330ml carts the previous 8xxx printers came with.
Thats about $1000 US less ink, hopefully the price will reflect the difference. Somehow I doubt it.
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Re: New Canon PRO-2000 / 4000 printers
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2016, 06:36:58 pm »

Super! Thanks for sharing. Can't wait to find out if the new inkset can match Epson's amazing dmax and gamut on fine art matte papers, traditionally a weak spot for Canon. And also if the Chroma Optimizer can be used on matte papers to seal the hydrophyllic print surface, and perhaps extend the life of the print a little more.

I also hope the paper handling is improved so as not to mark soft papers like Canon Rag Photographique.

The new design is extremely cool. Lower weight and smaller footprint than the previous model, 8400. The standby mode uses only 1/3 as much power than the 8400, which is great for our bills and good for the environment.

It's difficult to see where the main roll unit is. The product images seem to show the secondary, optional unit where the roll of paper is loaded. The main unit may be behind the transluscent covers. Well thought out to minimize dust settling there!

Oh I can't wait to try out one in person!
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Re: New Canon PRO-2000 / 4000 printers
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2016, 07:03:44 pm »

Single head! Does anyone knows if it is user replaceable? I have a 1 year old dead epson 7900 in my basement!  i don't want a printer i can't change the head unless it offers a free 3 year waranty, or the price of that warranty is low, i.e lower than the price of the printer.
Canon and Epson are moving... Good and exciting news.
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Re: New Canon PRO-2000 / 4000 printers
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2016, 07:22:12 pm »

Single head! Does anyone knows if it is user replaceable? I have a 1 year old dead epson 7900 in my basement!  i don't want a printer i can't change the head unless it offers a free 3 year waranty, or the price of that warranty is low, i.e lower than the price of the printer.
Canon and Epson are moving... Good and exciting news.
It's listed as a consumable... so at least only the one head will need replacing at a time ;-)
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Re: New Canon PRO-2000 / 4000 printers
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2016, 07:31:59 am »

I'd be careful interpreting the 1 head business: already there were "S" and "SE" versions of the X400 series, which were cheaper with fewer inks. In particular, the "SE" had a single head and six inks.

So my impression was that both the 2000 and 4000 used two heads printing 6 inks each, whereas the 4000S used a single head and fewer inks... being aimed at "banner printing" etc.
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Re: New Canon PRO-2000 / 4000 printers
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2016, 09:58:45 am »

Only Pro-6000S  >:(
wondering if they will release the Pro-6000 soon?

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Re: New Canon PRO-2000 / 4000 printers
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2016, 01:27:34 pm »

I'd be careful interpreting the 1 head business: already there were "S" and "SE" versions of the X400 series, which were cheaper with fewer inks. In particular, the "SE" had a single head and six inks.

So my impression was that both the 2000 and 4000 used two heads printing 6 inks each, whereas the 4000S used a single head and fewer inks... being aimed at "banner printing" etc.


The new head has 3x4 channels in a single head.
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Re: New Canon PRO-2000 / 4000 printers
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2016, 07:49:25 am »

The new single printhead is also user replaceable.
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Re: New Canon PRO-2000 / 4000 printers
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2016, 11:16:51 am »

I'd be careful interpreting the 1 head business: already there were "S" and "SE" versions of the X400 series, which were cheaper with fewer inks. In particular, the "SE" had a single head and six inks.

So my impression was that both the 2000 and 4000 used two heads printing 6 inks each, whereas the 4000S used a single head and fewer inks... being aimed at "banner printing" etc.
Your impression should perhaps be based on what's been published ;-)

The new head from last week's info



"The imagePROGRAF PRO-2000 sports a fully integrated print head enabling even faster printing in 12-colours with exceptional print quality. A compact 1.28” wide head enables efficient, high-precision ink ejection without discrepancies. This new print head has a 3-chip configuration with four colours per chip in a single print head, and outputs 12-colour ink from a total of 18,432 nozzles. The new print head is wider than the current 1.07-inch wide print head, and enables even faster printing while still maintaining high print quality."
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Re: New Canon PRO-2000 / 4000 printers
« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2016, 01:55:28 pm »

How much is the print head, and how long does it last? That would be the most relevant info.

What is the longevity of the new inkset? Epson's has improved significantly, and it is rumored from tests of the Canson desktop unit they they are going backwards? Just wondering.

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Re: New Canon PRO-2000 / 4000 printers
« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2016, 03:02:22 pm »

How much is the print head, and how long does it last? That would be the most relevant info.

What is the longevity of the new inkset? Epson's has improved significantly, and it is rumored from tests of the Canson desktop unit they they are going backwards? Just wondering.

Whilst I might get a head price in time for a review, its life expectancy will just have to wait for real use. I'd think there might be enough info for a reliable guesstimate by this time next year.

As to the ink life - rumours and conjecture count for little, that said, my own lifetime guarantee for prints gets a day less tomorrow... ;-)
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Re: New Canon PRO-2000 / 4000 printers
« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2016, 05:21:18 pm »

I find the economics of this new printhead quite interesting.  With the old one, when you had to replace it, you were only wasting half the ink.  Of course, if both had to be replaced within weeks of eachother, which was usually the case, then this point was moot.  If anything, having to then buy 2 new heads was likely more than twice as expensive as if it was only one.

So going forward, how much more expensive will this new head be seeing as its essentially doing the work of what you needed two heads for with the previous printers?  Canon should be selling half the number of heads now, so will they really want to pass this cost savings to consumers?  Or will this actually lead to a cost savings for the consumer with this new head design now being twice the price of the previous head since we needed two of them.

Also, given the configuration of the colors, its not like you had one head which had the top six used colors, while the other had the 6 least used ones, which could theoretically mean that you were replacing the lesser used one much less frequently.  Unless there was physical damage to only one head, most issues ranging from regular use to electrical issues usually meant that both were replaced.

There are simply too many factors to consider, but I do find this quite interesting.
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Re: New Canon PRO-2000 / 4000 printers
« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2016, 05:33:39 pm »

I'd predict that the new head will cost 1.7x times the old head cost.

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Re: New Canon PRO-2000 / 4000 printers
« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2016, 05:36:55 pm »

"To see the new imagePROGRAF PRO series in action, visit Canon at the FESPA Digital 2016 show at the RAI exhibition and conference centre in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, from 8-11 March, Stand F100-F120."

Is anyone planning on attending this show in Amsterdam?
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« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2016, 06:52:35 pm »

Just checked out the list of inks and they've replaced the Green ink with the Chroma Optimizer. I'm really interested in how the final prints look from these printers.
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Re: New Canon PRO-2000 / 4000 printers
« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2016, 09:55:35 pm »

Ok.....was wishing the 4000 were about $1K cheaper...........

Pricing Info

Availability
These imagePROGRAF PRO models are expected to be available in late spring of 2016. The imagePROGRAF PRO-4000 is available for an MSRP of $5,995 or $6,995 with the addition of the optional Multifunction Roll System. The imagePROGRAF PRO-2000 is available for an MSRP of $2,995, or $3,795 with the optional Multifunction Roll System. The imagePROGRAF PRO-6000S comes standard with the Multifunction Roll System at a Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) of $9,995. The imagePROGRAF PRO-4000S is available for an MSRP of $4,995, or $5,995 with the optional Multifunction Roll System. The previously announced PRO-1000 is available for an MSRP of $1,299.99.

For more information, visit www.usa.canon.com.
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