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Re: Harvard Bans Flash Photography as... Racist!
« Reply #40 on: February 29, 2016, 02:29:21 pm »


No, the idea being to win elections next time round.

Hardly - the flood of immigrants is not exactly a vote winner.
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« Reply #41 on: February 29, 2016, 03:07:38 pm »

Hardly - the flood of immigrants is not exactly a vote winner.

I must be losing my touch.

I am trying to say - thought that I had - that it is not about migrants and not about Europe: it is about becoming the next party leader.

When Cameron finishes - sooner or later - Boris wants to take over. He has to create distance between the two (at least!) political philosophies within the party, and by trying to do that now, he may be able to force a vote of no confidence, force Cameron out, and bring his own coronation forward by a few years. There seems, currently, no other firm(ish) favourite amongst the existing MPs. Of course, he may have miscalculated, and it will blow up in his face, as I suspect the actual public isn't exactly behind him, and neither is the business world with his threat on the City. I wonder what the new tie-up with Germany will do for the Stock Exchange - hedging bets?

It's incredible that personal ambition can push anyone to these lengths; but history in the Blues is full of similar episodes, most of which happen at a point when the incumbent has been doing a good job of it. Think Maggie and the knives-in-the-back of her final period in office. I mention the Blues because they matter to me; however, the usual alternatives have fared little better in that respect: party unity and party success has always been second-choice where career opportunity presents itself, or is thought to have so done.

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Re: Harvard Bans Flash Photography as... Racist!
« Reply #42 on: March 01, 2016, 03:51:51 am »

I am trying to say - thought that I had - that it is not about migrants and not about Europe: it is about becoming the next party leader.

You did say that, but it was a complete non sequitur. One thing is about the Tory party squabbles, another thing is about migrants. The two things are not the same thing.
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Re: Harvard Bans Flash Photography as... Racist!
« Reply #43 on: March 01, 2016, 04:19:28 am »

You did say that, but it was a complete non sequitur. One thing is about the Tory party squabbles, another thing is about migrants. The two things are not the same thing.

Heysoos!

Let me try to make it very clear: they are not the same, but are inextricably connected.

Politics has never been a simplistic operation or concept: within and around it revolve all the dreams of avarice, naked power or control that can be imagined by the human mind. Trying to reduce such discussions to single-feature ones is less than pointless: it requires the perfect issue-vacuum within which to operate, which simply doesn't exist. Of course, blinkers help... if you're a horse.

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Re: Harvard Bans Flash Photography as... Racist!
« Reply #44 on: March 01, 2016, 06:46:30 am »

Heysoos!

Let me try to make it very clear: they are not the same, but are inextricably connected.

Politics has never been a simplistic operation or concept: within and around it revolve all the dreams of avarice, naked power or control that can be imagined by the human mind. Trying to reduce such discussions to single-feature ones is less than pointless: it requires the perfect issue-vacuum within which to operate, which simply doesn't exist. Of course, blinkers help... if you're a horse.

;-)

Rob C

Just to be clear - in your world is putting up fences to prevent refugees coming a vote winner or a vote loser?
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« Reply #45 on: March 01, 2016, 09:14:35 am »

Just to be clear - in your world is putting up fences to prevent refugees coming a vote winner or a vote loser?

In my world, whatever boundaries you may imagine for it, the direct answer to the above question has to be this:

coldly, yes, it will win votes;

morally, it may or may not be the right thing to do;

practically, it's the only choice open that will protect one's own pitch.

Those people coming in - they hope - are never going out again; they almost never find a reason to do so. It's been the history of migrants: how many that passed through Ellis Island went back to wherever?

But hey, my life is grown too short now to spend playing ping-pong in interminable games where the last man standing is simply the one with less better things to do.

Please feel free to have as many such 'last words' as you wish!

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Re: Harvard Bans Flash Photography as... Racist!
« Reply #46 on: March 01, 2016, 01:52:56 pm »

It's the madness that's called political correctness.

 Today, France has a 35 hr week and they still go on strike, block motorways...

I know i risk being roughed up like a Black Lives Matter protester at a Strumpf rally by MR C. fans but I have to correct this gross simplification. Please don't shoot the messenger! Mr C. has fallen victim to the doltish, ill-informed and prejudiced sections of the British Media who dont let an ignorant opinion stand in the way of real facts!. If you want to know the truth about the French working week it's worth reading
http://www.bbc.com/capital/story/20140312-frances-mythic-35-hour-week.
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« Reply #47 on: March 01, 2016, 01:58:54 pm »

Hardly correct. The topic of this thread is political correctness run amok (I assume you read the linked Harvard article). Striking, rioting, boycotting, complaining, constantly being "outraged" and "offended," always blaming somebody or something else, is just a part of the repertoire of the PC ethos.

Ah thank you.. I can clearly see the connection with Mr C.'s personal history as a mechanic! Sorry for being so dim as to miss that!
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Re: Harvard Bans Flash Photography as... Racist!
« Reply #48 on: March 01, 2016, 02:16:07 pm »

In my world, whatever boundaries you may imagine for it, the direct answer to the above question has to be this:

coldly, yes, it will win votes;

Are you sure that's what you think? Or do you think:

"It's like Europe: every single politic¡an knows the answer to the migrant crisis: solve the problem in the middle-east. But they won't say that; it might offend somebody somewhere."

Which is the complete opposite.

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Please feel free to have as many such 'last words' as you wish!

Thanks, I will.

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Re: Harvard Bans Flash Photography as... Racist!
« Reply #49 on: March 01, 2016, 02:29:45 pm »

...Sorry for being so dim...

No problem, I've always had compassion for the disabled.

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Re: Harvard Bans Flash Photography as... Racist!
« Reply #50 on: March 01, 2016, 02:59:03 pm »

all you have is the vague abilty to do something to protect your own tribal position
I think we all sometimes have the vague ability to do better than that.
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« Reply #51 on: March 01, 2016, 07:08:02 pm »

No problem, I've always had compassion for the disabled.
I appreciate that... my grandson is actually intellectually disabled so it will maker his parents feel so much better that someone can use his condition to make cheap jibes.
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Re: Harvard Bans Flash Photography as... Racist!
« Reply #52 on: March 01, 2016, 07:19:18 pm »

No problem, I've always had compassion for the disabled.

If you substitute the word 'black' or 'crippled' or 'jews' in the above sentence it sort of reveals the mindset. 
I very rarely get angry in a forum and use irony and satire to make points.
For someone to use the condition of people who are really disabled to score points is frankly abhorrent.
Please think carefully about how offensive your mindless cheap words can be to those who have a real experience of what being disabled means.

Ohh sorry.. I get it....!! It was a JOKE wasn't it?  Sorry, I take it all back. If it's a joke or a little jibe then its perfectly OK isn't it?
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« Reply #53 on: March 02, 2016, 04:35:50 am »

Are you sure that's what you think? Or do you think:

"It's like Europe: every single politic¡an knows the answer to the migrant crisis: solve the problem in the middle-east. But they won't say that; it might offend somebody somewhere."

Which is the complete opposite.

Thanks, I will.

Not at all: people 'may get offended' in public, but voting's done privately. Hence, people say one thing to sound PC (if they give a shit about that nonsense, and many are so insecure that they do make the pretence) but act as common sense tells them in private. Why else do you imagine the Conservatives had a landslide victory at the last UK general election when all the polls and pundits predicted a Socialist victory?

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« Reply #54 on: March 02, 2016, 04:43:34 am »

If you substitute the word 'black' or 'crippled' or 'jews' in the above sentence it sort of reveals the mindset. 
I very rarely get angry in a forum and use irony and satire to make points.
For someone to use the condition of people who are really disabled to score points is frankly abhorrent.
Please think carefully about how offensive your mindless cheap words can be to those who have a real experience of what being disabled means.

Ohh sorry.. I get it....!! It was a JOKE wasn't it?  Sorry, I take it all back. If it's a joke or a little jibe then its perfectly OK isn't it?


Oh, is that what you were trying to do?

Reminds me of the Annie Leibovitz Life Through a Lens show where, talking about her early life, she relates that she'd wanted to be an art teacher and then realised: "oh, first I'd have to be an artist!"

You see your difficulty?

Now, was it you or your quasi-biblical buddy had to have last word?

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Re: Harvard Bans Flash Photography as... Racist!
« Reply #55 on: March 02, 2016, 01:39:59 pm »


Oh, is that what you were trying to do?

Reminds me of the Annie Leibovitz Life Through a Lens show where, talking about her early life, she relates that she'd wanted to be an art teacher and then realised: "oh, first I'd have to be an artist!"

You see your difficulty?

Now, was it you or your quasi-biblical buddy had to have last word?

:-)

Rob C

OUCH! That one really hurt Rob! You knnow how to throw a mean punch. Well done!  I can see whay your fans admire you so much.
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« Reply #56 on: March 02, 2016, 02:37:35 pm »

OUCH! That one really hurt Rob! You knnow how to throw a mean punch. Well done!  I can see whay your fans admire you so much.


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« Reply #57 on: March 06, 2016, 05:58:29 am »

Not at all: people 'may get offended' in public, but voting's done privately. Hence, people say one thing to sound PC (if they give a shit about that nonsense, and many are so insecure that they do make the pretence) but act as common sense tells them in private. Why else do you imagine the Conservatives had a landslide victory at the last UK general election when all the polls and pundits predicted a Socialist victory?

Rob

So, here you are again, looking for the last word, having flounced off just a few days ago.

Perhaps you have been too busy to notice that anti-immigrant policy is a  significant vote-winner throughout Europe, from the excesses of Hungary, via Slovakia to our own witless loons of UKIP. It is simply not the case to say that politicians are afraid to say that the Syria problem should be "solved by keeping Syrians out of Europe - the very reverse is true.
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« Reply #58 on: March 06, 2016, 08:20:22 am »

Dear Jeremiah,

Should you stop to think about it, you'll realise that 'overt' forms of racism or anti-immigrant sentiment can indeed be vote winners within a certain group, and just as likely to lose votes within another. People like our Farage have realised there is little political future for them within larger, more established political groupings and so they attach themselves to the more fringe ones where they become tall poppies. It's just another verison of being the local hero. With the emphasis on local.

For the larger groups/parties, they may think one thing but have to appear to be thinking a medium-level strategy if only to be embraced by a wide range of voter - especially of the floating kind without real convictions or belief in one way or another. Hence, the problems that face all mid-road parties. Blair had some great ideas but wound up being derailed by his own side; witness, too, my own heroine Mrs T, and now David Cameron. That's politics: the business of self-preferment. And that's where the end appears: from the self-seeking actions of your own people. Which of course, is where the delightful Boris comes in: our very own Trump in a Union Jack.

"So, here you are again, looking for the last word, having flounced off just a few days ago."

That's sweet! Thank you for the vote of confidence on my youthful, athletic possibilities!

Lazarus must be your rôle model.

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« Reply #59 on: March 06, 2016, 10:12:28 am »

Dear Jeremiah,

Should you stop to think about it, you'll realise that 'overt' forms of racism or anti-immigrant sentiment can indeed be vote winners within a certain group, and just as likely to lose votes within another. People like our Farage have realised there is little political future for them within larger, more established political groupings and so they attach themselves to the more fringe ones where they become tall poppies. It's just another verison of being the local hero. With the emphasis on local.

For the larger groups/parties, they may think one thing but have to appear to be thinking a medium-level strategy if only to be embraced by a wide range of voter - especially of the floating kind without real convictions or belief in one way or another. Hence, the problems that face all mid-road parties. Blair had some great ideas but wound up being derailed by his own side; witness, too, my own heroine Mrs T, and now David Cameron. That's politics: the business of self-preferment. And that's where the end appears: from the self-seeking actions of your own people. Which of course, is where the delightful Boris comes in: our very own Trump in a Union Jack.

"So, here you are again, looking for the last word, having flounced off just a few days ago."

That's sweet! Thank you for the vote of confidence on my youthful, athletic possibilities!

Lazarus must be your rôle model.

;-)

Rob C

Your comments address only the situation in the UK. In the wider continent the vote-winning value of anti-immigrant sentiment is even clearer. I mentioned already Hungary and Slovakia - add Austria, Finland, Poland and who knows where the electorate in Germany will end up - certainly Merkel's open-door policy is not looking very popular at this point.

Jeremyrh
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