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samoore

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Re: digital vs analogue printing
« Reply #40 on: July 16, 2016, 08:57:35 AM »

It seems that I can still identify the analog prints in the galleries from the digital prints.  I don't doubt that the new inksets can produce larger gamut and higher DMAX but I seem to see a lot of very good looking traditional darkroom prints.  I can only conclude that in general the craft of analog darkroom printing has reached a higher level than the craft of digital printing.  I was in a gallery in Santa Fe two months back and there were several prints for sale where the sharpening halo was thicker than the platinum credit cards of the potential buyers.  Yuk!  When inkjet prints are done poorly it really stands out.  Analog is more forgiving and the small errors don't pop out at you.

Also there's digital printing from digital capture and digital printing from scans.   I think in some cases a larger negative can give you a different look regardless of how its printed.  So a lot of traditional prints one see's has that advantage built in.

If you're a bad printer, you're a bad printer, that doesn't really reflect on the process. A little while ago I saw the last Taryn Simon(not sure if she still shoots film), and Crewdson shows in New York, and those prints would knock you're socks off! 
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Re: digital vs analogue printing
« Reply #41 on: July 16, 2016, 09:15:14 AM »

If you're a bad printer, you're a bad printer, that doesn't really reflect on the process. A little while ago I saw the last Taryn Simon(not sure if she still shoots film), and Crewdson shows in New York, and those prints would knock you're socks off!

I've seen Simon's work and the prints were good but her content is completely droll and boring.

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Re: digital vs analogue printing
« Reply #42 on: July 16, 2016, 01:18:37 PM »

I've seen Simon's work and the prints were good but her content is completely droll and boring.
Content is a whole other can of worms.
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Re: digital vs analogue printing
« Reply #43 on: August 19, 2016, 06:54:38 PM »

I've read this thread with great interest. I too wanted to find out to my eye what looked better, analog silver gelatin print or inkjet so I sent a photo to Digital Silver Imaging and had them make an 8x10 b/w print on Ilford fiber based photographic paper. I made a bunch of inkjet prints of the same image on various papers. I then scattered all the prints on my living room floor. I could not tell what image was the silver gelatin print. In my view inkjet print is just as good looking as a silver print.

Soon, I'm going to start platinum printing from digital negatives. Aside from the archival qualities of a platinum print I'm wondering if I'll prefer looking at an inkjet print over a platinum print. Since the image is embedded into the paper using platinum or palladium I'm wondering it will have a different (better) look.

Have any of you compared one of your own platinum prints to the same image printed with an inkjet printer?

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Re: digital vs analogue printing (a general reflection)
« Reply #44 on: August 19, 2016, 11:39:01 PM »

Hi,

With a proper, colour managed, workflow there would be little difference between different printing techniques as long as the image is within or nearly within the envelope of the media. So, if I print on my Epson 4880 or send of a properly adjusted image to be printed on a Durst Lambda I will get essentially identical results. The printed surface will be different, though.

If you send a digital image for darkroom printing, like Platinum I would guess that it involves a lot of craftmanship and it will be an interpretation of your image by the printing artist.

My understanding is that BW printing is a bit more difficult than colour printing as there is not really a colour managed workflow for monochrome prints.

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Erik

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Re: digital vs analogue printing
« Reply #45 on: August 21, 2016, 12:25:06 AM »

A few years ago I paid a lot of money for large Cibachrome prints of some of my images.  Professionally framed behind glass, in a sunny room they all faded badly within a couple of years. I had to throw them out.  The distant blue mountain ranges of Death Valley had become sickly cyan.

In a similar sunny location, I now have several large inkjet prints from my Epson 9800 on canvas.  Uncoated and unprotected, they're completely fade-free after nearly a decade.

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Re: digital vs analogue printing
« Reply #46 on: August 23, 2016, 04:26:16 PM »

Peter:  That is pretty good!  Hard to believe even. 

I'm not criticizing the archivability of inkjet.  I think the estimates are probably pretty good (in a hundred or so years we might know for sure!) but I am questioning the look and feel of a platinum print vs an inkjet.  The only way I will find out is if I print them myself which is exactly what I am going to do in the next few months.

I have studied a lot lately about platinum/palladium printing and nearly everyone claims they have a "3D look because the metal gets imbedded into the paper fibers".  This is an interesting statement and I am wondering if it's just hype or reality.  I'll find out in a few months I guess.

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Re: digital vs analogue printing (a general reflection)
« Reply #47 on: August 23, 2016, 05:19:58 PM »

With a proper, colour managed, workflow there would be little difference between different printing techniques as long as the image is within or nearly within the envelope of the media. So, if I print on my Epson 4880 or send of a properly adjusted image to be printed on a Durst Lambda I will get essentially identical results.
By envelope of the media you mean the color gamut? Because the gamut of the Lambada and the 4880 are different.
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