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bob mccarthy

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« on: April 05, 2006, 12:04:47 pm »

Anyone with a dual-core Intel Apple had a chance to download "bootcamp" just released by Apple.

If you haven't seen, it looks like Apple is setting up their future mac's to run both Os-X and Win XP in a dual boot configuration.

I'm about to buy a new laptop. This could tilt the equation towards Apple.

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« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2006, 12:33:08 pm »

I got a big kick out of this. Here's the official page.

The people who sponsored the $12K contest to hack a dual-boot Mac must be banging their heads on their desk right now.
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« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2006, 01:56:18 pm »

Im going to give it a try tonight, I am thinking CS2 should scream running natively on XP with the 2.0 MBP

My only question is there going to be a way to share files between the two OS's as long as I partition with FAT32?
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« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2006, 02:27:05 pm »

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Im going to give it a try tonight, I am thinking CS2 should scream running natively on XP with the 2.0 MBP

My only question is there going to be a way to share files between the two OS's as long as I partition with FAT32?
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Please let us know how it works. I have a 20" Intel iMac and could use a trip into Windows once or twice a year. I've had it with Virtual PC.
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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2006, 02:35:03 pm »

I will let you guys know how it goes
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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2006, 03:05:28 pm »

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My only question is there going to be a way to share files between the two OS's as long as I partition with FAT32?
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I don't see why not. OS X can read/write FAT32 partitions (It can read NTFS, but can't write to it) so the Windows partition should appear just like another hard drive on the desktop.
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« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2006, 11:06:50 pm »

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I don't see why not. OS X can read/write FAT32 partitions (It can read NTFS, but can't write to it) so the Windows partition should appear just like another hard drive on the desktop.
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So what good is that?  I can't imagine dual booting to a WinXP OS if you can't write to NTFS.  Apples website says

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During installation, the Windows XP installer asks me to format the Windows partition using NTFS or FAT. Which should I use?

If the partition is 32 GB or smaller, you can use either FAT or NTFS. If it's larger than 32 GB, then you can only format it using NTFS. Mac OS X can read and write FAT volumes, but only read NTFS volumes. Refer to the Windows XP documentation if you are not sure which best suits your needs.

32GB... that's it.  Hummm.  Unless I'm missing something (which wouldn't be the first... at least most days I remember to take the lens cap off).

For me I'd rather have two boxes with a KVM switch so I can have one monitor, mouse, keyboard hooked up to both.  Then switching batch & forth is a breeze.

Anyway I'll be curious to hear of peoples experiences here.

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« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2006, 01:29:06 pm »

Just finished installing XP, the installation was easy and slick, the drivers disk also works without a problem, just make sure you install SP2 and not SP1 or the drivers disk will not work

I am now installing CS2 now so I can do some performace tests with my MBP



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« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2006, 01:32:39 pm »

And yet another option:

http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/04/06/parallels/index.php

I'll bet it's a bit slower (maybe a lot) but no need to dual boot. Not sure which I should try first.
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« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2006, 01:36:54 pm »

Anybody know if the OE version of Windows XP that sites like newegg sell would work with Boot Camp? Is that considered to be the full version? Given that the price of the OE version here:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16837102059

is more than $110 cheaper than the retail version here:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16837116193

I'm guessing that the OE version won't work. Also, is there any reason to get XP Pro assuming I want to use XP only for CS2, Qimage, and Downloader Plus (accessing files off of my home network)?

Thanks,

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« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2006, 01:46:42 pm »

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Anybody know if the OE version of Windows XP that sites like newegg sell would work with Boot Camp? Is that considered to be the full version? Given that the price of the OE version here:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16837102059

is more than $110 cheaper than the retail version here:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16837116193

I'm guessing that the OE version won't work. Also, is there any reason to get XP Pro assuming I want to use XP only for CS2, Qimage, and Downloader Plus (accessing files off of my home network)?

Thanks,

Steve
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Pretty much any XP SP2 will work, heck I used a Dell OEM disk that was laying around the office but I can only use it for 30 days, but I am going to order a retail version from Newegg today
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« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2006, 10:45:37 am »

I'm very interested if the dual book intel/mac can run PC games seamlessly. Kind of off the LL subject matter, but would appreciate some feedback.


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« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2006, 11:16:10 am »

Why to used windows in a mac? what about all the virus the came with?.  I just don't understand why to do that.. I have pc because of my web side and extra hard drive a guess, but i don't think the mac user will really dawnload windows intu they mac.

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« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2006, 12:12:16 pm »

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Why to used windows in a mac? what about all the virus the came with?.  I just don't understand why to do that.. I have pc because of my web side and extra hard drive a guess, but i don't think the mac user will really dawnload windows intu they mac.

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Some people (well, lots of people) need to access some windows-only stuff from time-to-time and emulation software such as VPC is dog-slow. Being able to boot fully into Windows offers performance you won't get otherwise. Even with virtualizeation software like what was mentioned above, both operating systems are sharing the hardware. Being able to boot into windows itself will let Win have the full systems power to do more intensive things (such as play games-w00t!1).

Viruses are a concern (I got a kick out of Apple's warning) but common sense and some maintenance and you will be fine. Besides, any viruses that attack the Windows partition won't be able to do anything to the OS X system since Windows can't recognize HTFS+. If you are really concerned, then you can ghost the windows partition. This way if anything major does happen, you can just wipe it clean and start fresh with the ghosted copy.

BTW, Bob: Games work well on the iMac. There are videos popping up all over the net of people playing games like Half-Life 2 on the iMacs. I don't know how well the laptops fair due to the lesser video card though.
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« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2006, 01:48:52 pm »

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Some people (well, lots of people) need to access some windows-only stuff from time-to-time and emulation software such as VPC is dog-slow. Being able to boot fully into Windows offers performance you won't get otherwise. Even with virtualizeation software like what was mentioned above, both operating systems are sharing the hardware. Being able to boot into windows itself will let Win have the full systems power to do more intensive things (such as play games-w00t!1).

Viruses are a concern (I got a kick out of Apple's warning) but common sense and some maintenance and you will be fine. Besides, any viruses that attack the Windows partition won't be able to do anything to the OS X system since Windows can't recognize HTFS+. If you are really concerned, then you can ghost the windows partition. This way if anything major does happen, you can just wipe it clean and start fresh with the ghosted copy.

BTW, Bob: Games work well on the iMac. There are videos popping up all over the net of people playing games like Half-Life 2 on the iMacs. I don't know how well the laptops fair due to the lesser video card though.
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The MBP 2.0 and 2.1 have the upgraded 256 card
I know it has been confirmed that BF2 works well on a MBP
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« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2006, 02:41:44 pm »

Looking at the Apple store, can't find a dock. Can the Apple run the screen, keyboard, mouse w/o a dock?

My vaio can't FWIW

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« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2006, 05:40:31 pm »

Yes it can. No dock needed.
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« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2006, 07:33:19 am »

I'm going over to my local Apple store today to take a look. The only question is :just how fast is it, compared to a native PC running the same software (or PC equivalent).

Can anybody point me to a link where this has been tested realistically.

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« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2006, 11:22:52 am »

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I'm going over to my local Apple store today to take a look. The only question is :just how fast is it, compared to a native PC running the same software (or PC equivalent).

Can anybody point me to a link where this has been tested realistically.

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They say the MBP is the fastest XP laptop [a href=\"http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/03/22/mac_fastest_core_duo_laptop/]http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/03/22/ma...ore_duo_laptop/[/url]
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« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2006, 05:06:06 pm »

I did an install of both Boot Camp/XP and Parallel's Workstation 2.1/XP on a dual core iMac and my experience so far has been very positive with both products vs. Microsoft VPC that I run (crawl?) against my quad proc G5.

Native XP on an iMac seems to run just as I would expect a PC to run but in a much nicer box :-)

Performance of the Parallel's product is a LOT LOT better than Microsoft VPC on a PPC based machine. I have 2gb ram in the iMac and configured XP to run with 1gb. XP boots in ~25 seconds on a 1.83Ghz box - ignore the video going around the web showing ~10sec boot time - on a virgin OS X install with virgin XP (i.e. no apps loaded) it takes longer than that to boot.

I haven't had a chance to try PS in the virtual PC but things like Visio work perfectly and are responsive. One limitation for PS might be sorting out the colour management as it only runs in a window under OS X and not full screen yet (Parallel's product is still in beta).

If you want to share information between a Boot Camp/XP install  and the rest of the OS X environment then you need Mac Drive 6.1 - it works perfectly and will allow XP to see the OS X disk as a mounted drive. When you are booted into OS X you can see the NTFS partition without any other software needed.

After seeing how well both of these approaches work I'm now much more inclined to consider a MacBook Pro for my next laptop.

And for those wondering why you'd want to do this stuff with a Mac ... OS X software gives me 95% of everything I need but occasionally, just occasionally, I need to run some windows apps or visit a web site that only supports IE on Intel.
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