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A new and very different kind of camera - the future?
« on: October 08, 2015, 12:18:26 pm »

This Light 16 camera looks interesting.
Not lightfield tech, but can do some of the same stuff.

Here's a  promo video




And a bit more about the tech here...



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Re: A new and very different kind of camera - the future?
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2015, 12:54:18 pm »

I would say that this is the first consumer based camera I would actually be interested in seeing and using.  It could be a fun toy to have and use.  Not really for what I do professionally, but for on the go very personal stuff, like vacations, family portraits, etc. 

The only caveat for me is the ergonomics.  I know they are playing to the masses who use iPhones pretty much exclusively to take pictures, but the ergonomics of a camera phone are just not that great.  The reason camera design has not changed for so long is because having dedicated buttons/dials for aperture control, shutter speed, and focus is just very fluid and fast, easy to think about.  Having to navigate a screen and user panel takes time and creates a less fluid shooting experience. 

But who knows.  As BC noted on another thread, the younger aspiring photographers shoot 99% of their work on an iPhone.  I'm only 33, and my fiancé is 27, and neither of us get it, but oh well. 

I just feel if this meant to be an improvement over the iPhone, which from an IQ standpoint appears to be the case, they should have improved upon the ergonomics as well. 
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Re: A new and very different kind of camera - the future?
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2015, 12:56:48 pm »

Very exciting technology (too bad it does not shoot video - yet?)

EDIT - on another 3rd party site it says that it shoots 4K
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Re: A new and very different kind of camera - the future?
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2015, 01:02:47 pm »

But who knows.  As BC noted on another thread, the younger aspiring photographers shoot 99% of their work on an iPhone. 
Maybe that's why their are aspiring, rather than actual photographers. ;)
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Re: A new and very different kind of camera - the future?
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2015, 01:48:10 pm »

A little off topic, but not much.

Keven Raber had an article a couple months back about a guy who used his iPhone and the Hipstagram application on a weekend shoot.   Keven had the same initial response - why?   I see the reason, it's FUN.  There are times when I don't want to take a camera with me but when I come across something of interest, I want a snap.

This little Hipstagram gadget has provided me hours of fun.  I like to shake the camera and let it decide which film, which lens, and which flash to use.  Not knowing what I'll get keeps me interested.   Mostly duds but when one does come out right it really puts a smile on my face.   The app has gotten better too - it gives you the ability to change the gear after the shot was taken.   The IQ?  In a word, it's crap.  That's okay for in my ten years of following Lula I've yet to set the world on fire with my photography.  I'm now content to please myself.

So would I consider this new gadget?  Before hipstagram it would not have had the slightest interest, now I'm interested.   The price is a bit of a deal killer. Hipstragram = $20 (I got a lot of lenses and films) vs $1,300.   
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Re: A new and very different kind of camera - the future?
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2015, 03:55:28 pm »

Looks pretty cool.
Depending on actual image quality, this sort of thing could be a lot of fun.

I noticed in a different video the usb is very close to the tripod socket and that might hint at other first generation issues.
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Re: A new and very different kind of camera - the future?
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2015, 04:12:04 pm »

What does this camera do that a small P&S does not? 

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« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2015, 04:32:36 pm »

Already three threads on this site about this camera :)
I think this camera shapes the future of photography /film
More lenses all monitoring the scene and clever computer calculations that together show things we otherwise cannot record. HDR, High resolution Ultra sharp images from close to infinity for one.
I just made one by hand and it took me some hours, but it can be done automatically.
One problem: the nodal point should be the same : so the lenses should be grouped as close as possible.
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Re: A new and very different kind of camera - the future?
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2015, 05:00:41 pm »

No idea whether or not this particular gizmo will be the one that sparks another great shift in how we do photography, but sooner or later something will do it.  ;)

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Re: A new and very different kind of camera - the future?
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2015, 05:18:01 pm »

What does this camera do that a small P&S does not? 
Try looking at website or video to find out.
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Re: A new and very different kind of camera - the future?
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2015, 05:37:33 pm »

No idea whether or not this particular gizmo will be the one that sparks another great shift in how we do photography, but sooner or later something will do it.  ;)

-Dave-

I think that has already happen with the iPhone. 

But anyway, WOAH, $1300!  Damn.

$200, $300 or maybe even $400, I would consider it, if it held up to its promises.  But unless the digital interface is super duper well designed I am not paying $1300 to fumble around with a touch screen to adjust my exposure while the shot comes and goes. 
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Re: A new and very different kind of camera - the future?
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2015, 06:02:44 pm »

I think that has already happen with the iPhone. 

But anyway, WOAH, $1300!  Damn.

$200, $300 or maybe even $400, I would consider it, if it held up to its promises.  But unless the digital interface is super duper well designed I am not paying $1300 to fumble around with a touch screen to adjust my exposure while the shot comes and goes. 
Remember how expensive the first DVD players in computers were? Cost around a thousand pounds IIRC  Now they can write to disc as well and now cost about £15.

Give it some time and that may be how the back of phones may look in future, even the cheap ones.
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Re: A new and very different kind of camera - the future?
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2015, 06:23:37 pm »

Try looking at website or video to find out.

I did look at the videos to see what this unit does that a P&S doesn't.  OK, the technology of lenses is different.  But I didn't notice much else except the weird and difficult ergonomics of similar shaped cell phones.  What are the differences that make this unit stand out from P&S's?  I must have missed them.

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Re: A new and very different kind of camera - the future?
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2015, 06:26:03 pm »

Lightfield like refocusing is not something you find in a P+S.
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Re: A new and very different kind of camera - the future?
« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2015, 07:16:16 pm »

Lightfield like refocusing is not something you find in a P+S.
Ok.  But that's available in some post processing programs.   Could be added to p&s. What else?

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« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2015, 08:15:05 pm »

Ok.  But that's available in some post processing programs.   Could be added to p&s. What else?
No, you cannot refocus in software, unless shot on a camera with the capability in first place.
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« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2015, 08:48:27 pm »

Ok.  But what else?   

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« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2015, 11:05:07 pm »

Ok.  But what else?   

Here you go ..

> The L16 captures images at any range from 35mm to 150mm.
> To do so, it captures ten 13-megapixel images with a selection of ten of its lens-sensor units (which ten depends on your settings) and combines the data to create a rather large 52-megapixel image.
> Each lens of the L16 has its own 13-megapixel sensor behind it.
> There are five units at 35mm, five units at 70mm, and six units at 150mm, making the entire unit flexible enough to cover a range of subjects.
> The L16 uses some of the data to expand the number of pixels in the image, while it uses other data to increase performance in areas such as dynamic range, noise, sharpness, etc. Even things like focus and depth of field can be adjusted after the image is taken, similar to cameras by Lytro.
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Re: A new and very different kind of camera - the future?
« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2015, 11:47:34 pm »

You're describing features.  What are the benefits of all these features?  For example, why is five units at 35mm, five at 70mm etc valuable?  What does that do for me?

Why does having a 13 MP sensor behind each lens imporatant?

MY main problem with the camera though is it seems to shoot like a cellphone, which I hate.  They're difficult to hold and shoot at the same time, they're difficult to see the display (no viewfinder), and just awkward in my hands.  How does this unit overcome these problems? 

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« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2015, 04:00:51 am »

Does it tell you where to point the camera or when to press the shutter?
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