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« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2015, 01:49:56 pm »

And if they extend that to the U.S., Kanye West will president in 2020 :(

Time for Lunchbucket Joe to run, Slobodan. 100% of political cartoonists want him to jump into the race.
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« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2015, 01:55:04 pm »

anybody who is or was on gov't money (inmates, retirees, federal employees of any kind, or evens state or municipal etc) shall be prohibited from voting (for life) :D ...

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."
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« Reply #22 on: August 31, 2015, 03:11:51 pm »

I think they figured that out in 1933, when FDR became president.
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« Reply #23 on: August 31, 2015, 05:19:18 pm »

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."

Over here, Gordon Brown spent years first as Chancellor and then as Prime Minister trying to do just that, to establish a client population who would "always keep a hold of Nurse / For fear of finding something worse", who wouldn't dare to vote anything but Labour.

And much good it did him in 2010. Perhaps the population aren't, collectively, quite as dim as we (including I) sometimes think.

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« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2015, 05:43:43 pm »

Yeah, when the voting public are demagogued & propagandized into voting for one's preferred party it's because they're smart.

-Dave-
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« Reply #25 on: September 01, 2015, 03:58:51 am »

Yeah, when the voting public are demagogued & propagandized into voting for one's preferred party it's because they're smart.

-Dave-


No, Dave, that's too broad and cynical. It doesn't take a lot of thought to realise that some systems can't be afforded. Well, not unless taxation rises to the level where nobody is better off than anyone else, but everyone lives in the same council-provided home as everyone else. They even run tv paint commercials in the UK where exactly that life concept is the norm, and then someone comes up with the idea of colour...

There are squatter 'protest' camps outside the nuclear submarine base on the west coast of Scotland. I watched a brief encounter on tv a day or so ago where the young person speaking, so, so earnestly, told the world that the 'bomb' was useless. Clearly, she didn't live through the Cuba crisis, and she never understood that the threat of mutual destruction was all that prevented the USSR from continuing along its path. As obviously, she fails to understand the problem with Iran and will think of it from an equally skewed perspective.

So no, I think it isn't about 'my' party, but, clinically, whether the options offered make economic sense or are simply blatant bribes.

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« Reply #26 on: September 01, 2015, 05:02:21 am »

Over here, Gordon Brown spent years first as Chancellor and then as Prime Minister trying to do just that, to establish a client population who would "always keep a hold of Nurse / For fear of finding something worse", who wouldn't dare to vote anything but Labour.

And much good it did him in 2010. Perhaps the population aren't, collectively, quite as dim as we (including I) sometimes think.

Jeremy

And of course there has never been a Tory chancellor or prime minister that's ever tried such a thing?
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« Reply #27 on: September 01, 2015, 05:05:43 am »


No, Dave, that's too broad and cynical. It doesn't take a lot of thought to realise that some systems can't be afforded. Well, not unless taxation rises to the level where nobody is better off than anyone else, but everyone lives in the same council-provided home as everyone else. They even run tv paint commercials in the UK where exactly that life concept is the norm, and then someone comes up with the idea of colour...

There are squatter 'protest' camps outside the nuclear submarine base on the west coast of Scotland. I watched a brief encounter on tv a day or so ago where the young person speaking, so, so earnestly, told the world that the 'bomb' was useless. Clearly, she didn't live through the Cuba crisis, and she never understood that the threat of mutual destruction was all that prevented the USSR from continuing along its path. As obviously, she fails to understand the problem with Iran and will think of it from an equally skewed perspective.

So no, I think it isn't about 'my' party, but, clinically, whether the options offered make economic sense or are simply blatant bribes.

Rob

In hindsight the Cuba Crisis might not be all it was portrayed as for there is intriguing reason to believe that the US knew very well that  Russian Missiles didn't actually work.
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« Reply #28 on: September 01, 2015, 02:55:58 pm »

And of course there has never been a Tory chancellor or prime minister that's ever tried such a thing?

No. Can't be done: different target population.

And even if it could and there had been, what's your point, other than bolstering mine?

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« Reply #29 on: September 01, 2015, 02:57:02 pm »

In hindsight the Cuba Crisis might not be all it was portrayed as for there is intriguing reason to believe that the US knew very well that  Russian Missiles didn't actually work.

Hey, boys and girls: we have a conspiracy theorist among us.

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« Reply #30 on: September 01, 2015, 03:31:11 pm »

No, Dave, that's too broad and cynical.

Rob, my sour quip was (intended to be) non-partisan. My attitude toward the entire enterprise of politics is, and has been for a long time, one of abject contempt. It takes most of the worst aspects of human nature and amplifies them. It's the large-scale sheep herder. The sociopath Magnet Supreme. The Great Crassifier. We may not be capable of doing any better, but that doesn't mean what we've come up with is any good. IMO.

All the good things I've experienced in my life—people, places, knowledge, creativity, art—have had eff all to do with political parties or movements.

-Dave-
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« Reply #31 on: September 01, 2015, 03:51:57 pm »

You may think so, Dave, but you need to think again. Suppose you'd been born in China during the reign of Mao, or born in Germany during the reign of Hitler. There are plenty of other examples if you slide on back in history. You've been fortunate enough to live in a country where politics has protected you from the really down side of life. Yeah, the face of politics is damned messy, and it's full of crap and crappy people, but as Churchill said, (he admitted it wasn't original with him): “Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.” It's politics that's made it possible for you to experience in your life—people, places, knowledge, creativity.
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« Reply #32 on: September 01, 2015, 04:15:20 pm »

It is worth noting that political parties exist for a sole reason: to represent and protect interests of their constituents. Not to work for common good (whatever that is), nor to bring out the best in people ((whatever that is). Nor to elect the best people based on their impeccable character and unchallenged integrity, but best people capable of protecting interests of the constituents. Expecting that politicians exist to do "what's best for the whole country" is a dangerous illusion. The best a democratic society can do is to provide enough checks and balances to prevent one social group to impose its own interests to the rest under the guise of "common good."

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« Reply #33 on: September 01, 2015, 04:18:18 pm »

Thing is, I do find a few socialist ideas around some essential industry appealing, but know that they have to fail for very simple reasons: inability of government, of any colour, to intervene strongly in union disputes where they involve, for example, things such as rail, power, water, medicine and public servant-based functions. Those people go on strike, and the country stops. That makes any government too liable to voter anger, regardless of where the causes and real responsibility might lie. Better some of those services remain in private hands if only to let the inevitable problems and blame belong to the private sector!

Because of that union power, I think socialism ironically finds its worst enemy within its own natural voter base.

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« Reply #34 on: September 01, 2015, 04:35:41 pm »

Those people go on strike
when public services employees go on strike (demanding something from society, instead of making a point by resigning and moving on) I suggest the society withheld its services to them in return, all public services that is... eye for an eye  :D
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« Reply #35 on: September 01, 2015, 04:38:26 pm »

It is worth noting that political parties exist for a sole reason: to represent and protect interests of their constituents.
only if by constituents you mean donors/lobbyists and paid party officials (apparatchiki).
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« Reply #36 on: September 01, 2015, 04:47:56 pm »

Russian Missiles didn't actually work.

they worked, but there were few of them...

you might want to read this book = http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4110/vol3.pdf

this is the real story of what we had and what we did not have - NASA translated it because of who that person was (vol 1, 2, 4 are also available)... read it
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« Reply #37 on: September 01, 2015, 04:48:08 pm »

only if by constituents you mean donors/lobbyists and paid party officials (apparatchiki).

That is not what I meant. Before those even come into the picture, a group of people with common interests come together to form a party. Some of them might be donors or future donors, granted.

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« Reply #38 on: September 01, 2015, 04:51:11 pm »

That is not what I meant. Before those even come into the picture, a group of people with common interests come together to form a party. Some of them might be donors or future donors, granted.

those stages are in the distant path nowadays, nowadays even in the countries where new parties emerge they are product of splinter party officials mostly... or too radical for mainstream being either ultra left or ultra right
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« Reply #39 on: September 01, 2015, 05:16:48 pm »

those stages are in the distant path past...

I was pointing out the origin and essence of political parties. Most traditional democracies are still having parties originating in that distant past. New democracies (or new parties in old democracies) might differ in the beginning in the sense that the tail wags the dog, but even those need to find a base whose interests align with the new party or the party won't last long.
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