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churly

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Sentinel
« on: August 27, 2015, 05:43:06 pm »

From a heavy, humid evening on Conception Bay.
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Re: Sentinel
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2015, 06:13:55 pm »

I think it would be much stronger if you'd get rid of the lower row of pebbles.

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Re: Sentinel
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2015, 02:51:57 am »

...and the gull.

I recently posted a gull-on-rock myself, but I didn't like it.

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Re: Sentinel
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2015, 09:37:46 am »

The pebbles I can understand although to me they offer a lead-in and a base. 
The gull?  Hmm - the gull is the story or at least inspired the title.  It sat entirely still for the 20 s exposure.
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Re: Sentinel
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2015, 01:27:41 pm »

The pebbles I can understand although to me they offer a lead-in and a base. 
The gull?  Hmm - the gull is the story or at least inspired the title....

This is what I thought. You might lose the base, but the lead-in they were not, at least not the part that I suggest cropping out.

The gull should stay.

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Re: Sentinel
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2015, 01:52:02 pm »

This is what I thought. You might lose the base, but the lead-in they were not, at least not the part that I suggest cropping out.

The gull should stay.


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Re: Sentinel
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2015, 05:42:24 pm »

I agree on keeping the gull, makes for a point of interest and intrigue. Very obliging when they decide to stand so still for you also, be rude not to make use of it!
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Re: Sentinel
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2015, 06:18:32 pm »

Even an oldish dog can be taught so here is my revision.  I agree it is cleaner and tells the story better.  Thanks to Slobodan, Scott (even though I kept the gull) and Terry for the kind help on this one  ;D.
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Re: Sentinel
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2015, 09:58:01 am »

I like everything about this image except the choice of b/w.
B/W excels with subject matter that has deep blacks and pure whites
in it and with texture. Think a white rose on a black iron fence, clouds etc.
I don't see none of that in this image.

I think a lot of us use b/w as a last ditch attempt to save an image that
did not cut it at a certain time of day and light. This image has that great ghost
like water blur. The bird really adds to the image. The comp is very good. Now picture
this image at twilight in color with natural purple and pink hues, the image would be epic
but that is just me. If the image is not worth saving in color forget b/w.

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Re: Sentinel
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2015, 04:08:20 pm »

I like everything about this image except the choice of b/w.
B/W excels with subject matter that has deep blacks and pure whites
in it and with texture. Think a white rose on a black iron fence, clouds etc.
I don't see none of that in this image.

I think a lot of us use b/w as a last ditch attempt to save an image that
did not cut it at a certain time of day and light. This image has that great ghost
like water blur. The bird really adds to the image. The comp is very good. Now picture
this image at twilight in color with natural purple and pink hues, the image would be epic
but that is just me. If the image is not worth saving in color forget b/w.

Dwayne Oakes

Sorry, Dwayne, I couldn't disagree more. There are deep blacks, there are near whites and it has lovely high key tones in the water. I have no idea what this photograph looks like in colour, but it sure rocks (no pun intended) in B&W. The water sings over the rocks.

BTW - B&Ws may excel at "deep blacks and pure whites in it and with texture", but they are not a requirement. You could photograph a series of grey tombstones in the rain. It's the mood/atmosphere/concept that is being conveyed and that doesn't always concur with "deep blacks, pure whites and texture". As I am frequently reminded of (usually by Isaac), we shouldn't be constrained (contained) by pre-conceived "rules". I fight him over it sometimes, but it's true!
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Re: Sentinel
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2015, 11:25:24 pm »

Sorry, Dwayne, I couldn't disagree more. There are deep blacks, there are near whites and it has lovely high key tones in the water. I have no idea what this photograph looks like in colour, but it sure rocks (no pun intended) in B&W. The water sings over the rocks.

BTW - B&Ws may excel at "deep blacks and pure whites in it and with texture", but they are not a requirement. You could photograph a series of grey tombstones in the rain. It's the mood/atmosphere/concept that is being conveyed and that doesn't always concur with "deep blacks, pure whites and texture". As I am frequently reminded of (usually by Isaac), we shouldn't be constrained (contained) by pre-conceived "rules". I fight him over it sometimes, but it's true!

Thank you for your reply Terry ! I am not trying to high jack the thread but here is an example to better illustrate my point.

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Re: Sentinel
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2015, 12:49:51 am »

Your point, Dwayne, is an absolutely valid one. Just not the only one.

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Re: Sentinel
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2015, 06:48:44 am »

Your point, Dwayne, is an absolutely valid one. Just not the only one.

Exactly, just my take on the craft.

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Re: Sentinel
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2015, 03:44:05 pm »

I understand what you are saying Dwayne and have definitely tried a B&W rescue on occasion.  It rarely works because good light is good light.
 
In this case I was thinking B&W when I was shooting because the colors were modest but I liked the lightly diffused light.  I have attached the color version just so you can see it.  I had to go back and process it because I went directly to the B&W conversion and didn't save a color version at all.

I would suggest that good light does not necessarily mean good color.  Also, I am generally not a fan of highly color saturated landscape images and find myself desaturating on a regular basis. Just my preference but likely the result of I having a red-green color defect so I am never very confident in evaluating colors in the red-green part of the spectrum.

Anyway.  Thanks much for your thoughts!  Maybe our different viewpoints shows an increment of 'personal style'  ;D.

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Re: Sentinel
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2015, 03:50:39 pm »

Works nicely in color too. I'd darken/desaturate that green patch on the left though.

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Re: Sentinel
« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2015, 04:02:58 pm »

Yeah, color looks nice. I con't decide which I like better.
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