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Chairman Bill

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Am I getting this 'street' thing?
« on: August 13, 2015, 08:40:52 am »

Simple question. So do these qualify? Are they any good from a 'street' perspective?

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Re: Am I getting this 'street' thing?
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2015, 09:05:45 am »

They are photographs taken in a street so yes they do qualify  :)

I like the first one best because the guy's gaze leads you to the 'punchline' of the dog in the buggy. The third one I sort of like with the one face with features amongst the 'blank' others - it could maybe improved by pulling back and having a passerby being 'looked at' (maybe too cliché?). For the second one there is nothing to grab my interest.

Basically street is no different to any other genre when it comes to grabbing interest - work out what the point of interest is and/or what 'story' (Jeez, I hate that word!) is the picture telling.   
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Re: Am I getting this 'street' thing?
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2015, 09:07:06 am »

Qualify?  That's a odd word to use. 

"Are they any good from a 'street' perspective?'  Goodness is entirely subjective.

Do you think it "qualifies"?  Then it does.
Do you think they are good?  Then they are.
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Re: Am I getting this 'street' thing?
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2015, 09:48:41 am »

I like photographs of urban scenes when they make me laugh or chuckle (which can be for a wide variety of reasons).

#1 and especially #3 do that, that scared gaze of the mannequin is just priceless, I imagine the person who did this (the decorator/designer/whoever) having a laugh too everytime he or she passes his/her 'work'.

Must say you framed #3 well, obscuring yourself from the reflection kind of, I'm guessing the image would've worked much less had you been clearly visible.

Cheers, Sander

PS, to answer your question "Yes" but there is no 'Street Thing' really I think, just good and bad pictures  ;D
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Re: Am I getting this 'street' thing?
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2015, 09:54:44 am »

They are photographs taken in a street so yes they do qualify  :)

I like the first one best because the guy's gaze leads you to the 'punchline' of the dog in the buggy. The third one I sort of like with the one face with features amongst the 'blank' others - it could maybe improved by pulling back and having a passerby being 'looked at' (maybe too cliché?). For the second one there is nothing to grab my interest.

Basically street is no different to any other genre when it comes to grabbing interest - work out what the point of interest is and/or what 'story' (Jeez, I hate that word!) is the picture telling.   
+1.

I came to the same conclusions before I read Spidermike's post. The first one succeeds for me. The two heads turned in opposite directions helps, and at first glance I thought the guy was wondering "where did my baby go?" since the stroller looked empty. Then I saw the pooch, which cemented the "story" (Sorry, Mike.)

The second and third are weaker ("story-wise") but the third has potential, as Mike pointed out.
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Re: Am I getting this 'street' thing?
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2015, 11:15:23 am »

Simple question. So do these qualify? Are they any good from a 'street' perspective?

To answer your simple question, Bill: "No." Don't misunderstand what I'm saying. You're moving in the right direction, but the ambiguity essential to good street simply isn't there. Street photography isn't the same thing as simple reportage.

Rather than beat the point to death, here's a reference to an article I wrote on the subject several years ago. It says what I'm trying to say, but in more detail: http://www.russ-lewis.com/essays/OnStreetPhotography.html

Then, there's a further elaboration I did a bit later on: http://www.russ-lewis.com/essays/WhyDoStreetPhotography.html
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Re: Am I getting this 'street' thing?
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2015, 11:35:18 am »

Thanks for that Russ. The two papers are worth the read, and I had thought that I'd maybe got something of the ambiguity/containing a story thing in those photos.

The watcher at the window for instance: Are the couple with their backs to us, looking at the window, or across the street? Is there really someone at the window, or is it the light, or are those white spots the eyes of some spectral apparition (they're not, 'cos spectres don't exist, but ...). I thought that was ambiguity.

The sleeping dog: Whose dog is it? Should it be there? Did it just find a nice, cosy spot? Is the young man looking at it, thinking 'Aw, cute', or is he about to tell it to get out? Yeah, a bit weak I suppose. It was really just about the man looking at the dog - that interaction.

The shop window: Well, no people, but amid the symmetry of the mainly faceless/headless, partially dismembered mannequins, there's the little girl. She's also a mannequin, but looks more alive, because she's got eyes, and because of her juxtapositioning amongst the clearly not-alive figures. There's a slightly nightmarishness about it, hence the title. I'm sure there's a story there somewhere, but maybe it needs Stephen King to tell it.

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Re: Am I getting this 'street' thing?
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2015, 12:15:06 pm »

I missed the dog in the first one. Yes. I'd call it good street.

I sometimes tend to become too doctrinaire when I'm talking about street, which is my favorite thing (which, with our moving preparations, etc., I haven't been able to practice for some time now). And there's certainly an element of street in all three of these pictures -- meaning it's obvious you were after something more than simple reportage, the kind of stuff I call tourist photography. It always gives me a lift to see a photographer move toward street photography. It's difficult stuff, but truly satisfying.
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Re: Am I getting this 'street' thing?
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2015, 02:54:54 pm »

The first photo is great. I like the way it comes together--technique, setting, peeps and pooch. The second two don't seem to catch my eye, whereas the first one is fun to look at again and again.
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Re: Am I getting this 'street' thing?
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2015, 05:26:39 pm »

The first one is good street - the other two are more reportage/documentary. Overall, I'd say you're moving in the right direction. 'Street' is a very difficult genre to master - believe me, I've been trying for years! Keep it up anyway - when it works, it's a real rush. The problem is you'll be the last one to know whether it works or not!
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Re: Am I getting this 'street' thing?
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2015, 05:49:14 pm »

Hey Bill, Russ has such a narrow view of what is street photography that two of the greatest street photographers would not be included. I prefer the In-Public definition of street photography.

In-Public was set up in 2000 to provide a home for Street Photographers.

Our aim is to promote Street Photography and to continue to explore its possibilities, we are a non commercial collective. All the photographers featured here have been invited to show their work because they have the ability to see the unusual in the everyday and to capture the moment. The pictures remind us that, if we let it, over-familiarity can make us blind to what’s really going on in the world around us.

Elliot Erwitt was all about the "the ability to see the unusual".

Henri Cartier-Bresson was all about "the captured moment".

Two great street photographers, according to Russ' definition not so.

Cheers,


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Re: Am I getting this 'street' thing?
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2015, 06:06:36 pm »


Elliot Erwitt was all about the "the ability to see the unusual".

Henri Cartier-Bresson was all about "the captured moment".

Two great street photographers, according to Russ's definition not so.

Cheers,

Hi Tom, You lost me somewhere down the line. Are you saying that HCB and Erwitt aren't great photographers? If so, that's a rather remarkable statement.
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Re: Am I getting this 'street' thing?
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2015, 06:18:40 pm »

Hi Tom, You lost me somewhere down the line. Are you saying that HCB and Erwitt aren't great photographers? If so, that's a rather remarkable statement.


Russ, you keep harping on about ambiguity, Erwitt and Henri Cartier-Bresson are great street photographers but I wouldn't say that ambiguity features in any way in their photography.

Cheers,
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Re: Am I getting this 'street' thing?
« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2015, 06:29:49 pm »

Russ, you keep harping on about ambiguity, Erwitt an Henri Cartier-Bresson are great street photographers but I wouldn't say that ambiguity features in any way in their photography.

Cheers,

That's a really remarkable statement. Maybe you need to look at more of their photography. What's your take on "Behind the Gare St. Lazare?"

Let's try something else. Is there any ambiguity in this picture?

Well, heck. I was going to comment on Slobodan's comment, but I guess he realized he was off base.
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Re: Am I getting this 'street' thing?
« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2015, 06:44:46 pm »

Russ, show me the predominate ambiguity in Elliot's or Henri's photographs. I see "they have the ability to see the unusual in the everyday and to capture the moment".

Please don't harp on about ambiguity or you will ignore all the great street photographers.

Cheers,
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« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2015, 09:37:29 pm »

You didn't answer my question.

"Capturing the moment" isn't what street is all about. Capturing the moment is what photojournalism is all about.
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Re: Am I getting this 'street' thing?
« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2015, 10:05:04 pm »

"In-Public was set up in 2000 to provide a home for Street Photographers.

Our aim is to promote Street Photography and to continue to explore its possibilities, we are a non commercial collective. All the photographers featured here have been invited to show their work because they have the ability to see the unusual in the everyday and to capture the moment. The pictures remind us that, if we let it, over-familiarity can make us blind to what’s really going on in the world around us."

This isn't my statement, it is a quote from the in-Public home page. Obviously most of our leading street photographers are idiots.

Cheers,
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Re: Am I getting this 'street' thing?
« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2015, 03:18:41 am »

You didn't answer my question.

"Capturing the moment" isn't what street is all about. Capturing the moment is what photojournalism is all about.

So I'm guessing HCB is not a great street photographer given that he titled his book 'The Decisive Moment'.
Or am I missing something?

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Re: Am I getting this 'street' thing?
« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2015, 05:33:44 am »

Bill, Russ gave you some good advice.  I am still trying to figure out what is "good street" :)

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Re: Am I getting this 'street' thing?
« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2015, 05:50:14 am »

Bill, Russ gave you some good advice.  I am still trying to figure out what is "good street" :)

I think Russ' article is a good guide for one element that makes a good street photo - whether you should use that to define what street photography is is a different matter. 
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