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P800 Report
« on: July 04, 2015, 05:58:36 pm »

Mark,

Nice job on the P800 report...you sure delved into the graphs and charts :~)

As noted elsewhere, Epson removed the back paler loading path. So, did you have any issues loading heavy fine art paper from the front manual path?

BTW, I ate at the Rose & Crown with Martin Evening. It was the first time I had haggis (and rather liked it).
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Re: P800 Report
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2015, 06:46:40 pm »

Jeff, Sharon - thanks, glad you liked the review. The stiffest paper I loaded into the front feeder was Epson Hot Press Natural and it traveled well. As a beta tester Epson had loaned me a pre-production unit that still needed some tidying up of the casing, the front paper feed and some stuff in the driver, but the print engine was complete, so instead of dealing with aspects that weren't in finished form, I focused the review mainly on IQ and I expect to be doing a Part 2 focusing on the mechanicals and the driver when I get access to a final production unit; hence my testing of paper loading was confined to the papers I printed on for the review, as mentioned there. So far so good. In the next round I'll try challenging it with some real heavy stuff and see how it performs. :-)

Sharon - if the Harmon Fiber Baryta Gloss is about the same weight and thickness as Ilford Gold Fibre Silk or Canson Baryta Photographique (310 gsm) you should be fine. I fed the IGFS through it and had no problems.
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Re: P800 Report
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2015, 07:51:56 pm »

Oh - the "Fine Art" papers are loaded using the front feed. That would apply to IGFS etc.
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Re: P800 Report
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2015, 09:19:47 pm »

Mark, thanks so much for a thorough review.  It was the information I was looking for.  I'm going to be ordering a P800 very soon.
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« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2015, 09:40:37 pm »

Mark, this was a very thoughtful review. Thanks very much for taking the time. I have just had mine for a few days, but the Black & Whites with ABW on Canson Baryta have been very satisfying.
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Re: P800 Report
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2015, 03:37:40 am »

Mark a well informing report. Question: what about gloss differential and bronzing?
I have the same image printed on p800 and Stylus pro 990 and the p800 one has more gloss differential and bronzen than the stylus9900.
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Re: P800 Report
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2015, 05:01:41 am »

BTW, I ate at the Rose & Crown with Martin Evening. It was the first time I had haggis (and rather liked it).

I hope you had some Scotch with it, Jeff; and that you remembered that it's for the haggis, not for you.

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Re: P800 Report
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2015, 05:59:15 am »

I hope you had some Scotch with it, Jeff; and that you remembered that it's for the haggis, not for you.

Yep...in fact, the ONLY food that seems to go with Scotch is haggis...
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Re: P800 Report
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2015, 07:24:21 am »

Mark a well informing report. Question: what about gloss differential and bronzing?
I have the same image printed on p800 and Stylus pro 990 and the p800 one has more gloss differential and bronzen than the stylus9900.

That would be disappointing, if it turns out to be true across a broad range of papers.

What paper did you use in the comparison?
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Re: P800 Report
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2015, 07:33:30 am »

Mark a well informing report. Question: what about gloss differential and bronzing?
I have the same image printed on p800 and Stylus pro 990 and the p800 one has more gloss differential and bronzen than the stylus9900.

Hi Jan,

As you would know well, the appearance of bronzing and gloss differential depends on the inks, image, paper and the angle of viewing (as well as whether the printer deposits material in lieu of ink where the colour values are close to or at paper white). Based on the samples I printed, it's a non-issue for the matte papers. For the luster papers if there is no ink lay-down the paper white would show a different gloss than the bordering inked surfaces but only if viewed at an angle that no-one would use if they want to see the photo properly. This general statement applies to all the printers compared in the review. I did not see any evidence of bronzing in any of the work I did.

If you would like to send me your samples so I can have a look, I'd be interested to see what you came up with - we can arrange that off line.
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Re: P800 Report
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2015, 07:43:00 am »

If someone said the magic words "it doesn't clog" about this printer, it would already be in my shopping cart. But now, I'm waiting to hear reports about how it is resistant to this plague...
I do not print very often, and am fed up with wasting half of my ink cartridges in cleaning procedures, and the time spent doing them.
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Re: P800 Report
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2015, 07:55:42 am »

If someone said the magic words "it doesn't clog" about this printer, it would already be in my shopping cart. But now, I'm waiting to hear reports about how it is resistant to this plague...
I do not print very often, and am fed up with wasting half of my ink cartridges in cleaning procedures, and the time spent doing them.

I wonder if any inkjet pigment photo print won't clog it's print head from time to time?
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Re: P800 Report
« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2015, 08:07:08 am »

I wonder if any inkjet pigment photo print won't clog it's print head from time to time?
My aging 3800 clogs about once a year, and a simple cleaning (or rarely two) always fixes it completely.
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Re: P800 Report
« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2015, 08:09:54 am »

If someone said the magic words "it doesn't clog" about this printer, it would already be in my shopping cart. But now, I'm waiting to hear reports about how it is resistant to this plague...
I do not print very often, and am fed up with wasting half of my ink cartridges in cleaning procedures, and the time spent doing them.

As Mark indicated in his review, only months of use by many consumers will provide the empirical data needed to determine under what circumstances the P800 might clog.  But given that its basic head design is taken from the 3800/3880 - easily the most reliable pigment printer Epson has ever sold - my guess is that the P800 will continue that steadfast tradition.  

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Re: P800 Report
« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2015, 09:46:32 am »

My aging 3800 clogs about once a year, and a simple cleaning (or rarely two) always fixes it completely.


Eric, it gets even better than that. I have a very close friend in Ottawa who "inherited" my 3800 shortly after I bought my 4900 about 3.5~4 years ago. He's keen but very busy and seldom used it. We visit them from time to time. The first year he had the printer he used it once or twice, but early on. We fired it up and it worked like a charm without so much as a head cleaning. The nozzle check pattern was complete. Fast forward two years, we visit them again, and he tells me: Mark, haven't used the printer since the last time we tried this, so we really need to see if it still works. I wondered too. So we switched it on, and this time it did a head cleaning on its own. Then we did a nozzle check and there were some missing lines in every channel. So we ran a test print, then did a regular head cleaning, ran another nozzle check, found two channels still slightly blocked, ran another cleaning, did a check and the pattern was complete - perfect. So, this is almost three years of virtually no use and inks that were at least two years beyond expiry. I think it needs to be re-profiled if he wants to continue using these heavily expired inks because we did have a few colour management issues, but if he replaces the inks he'll probably be fine with the existing profile. Compare this with my 4900 which is a superb printer given continuous baby-sitting and you get the idea. So yes, that model was/is stellar. And the fact that we got anything even close to tolerable output with such long-expired inks tells you something about the real-life elasticity of expiry dates. So the discussion we had is whether it's worthwhile spending 500 dollars on fresh inks for a nearly 9 year old printer, or donate it and buy the latest available with new inks and a warranty. Tough choice if you're not really printing :-), so maybe it will be the re-profiling option..............

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Re: P800 Report
« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2015, 12:54:10 pm »

Thanks for that encouraging report, Mark.

I do probably make between 200 and 300 prints each year, often with significant gaps between printing sessions. The beast is so reliable that I rarely even bother with a nozzle check, until a print comes out that has obvious issues. Then I do a nozzle check, tell myself to get in the habit of doing them more often, and then I do a cleaning or two and it's back to printing just fine.

Note to self: Better do a nozzle check later today.   ;)

I look forward to your follow up report on the P800 once you have a commercial version.

For the past year or two I've been expecting my 3800 to die after which I would get a 3880, but I'm close to too late for that. So my next printer will likely be a P800 (or possibly its successor!)


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« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2015, 01:01:39 pm »

Eric, based on availability I think your next printer will be the P800, if you intend to remain within roughly the same class of printer. Depending on when, and though I have absolutely no clue about this, I'm hypothesizing that given how the 4900 is now about four years old and there is a new inkset (the Surecolor inks), it would seem logical to expect some time in the indefinite future a 4900 class of printer with the new inks - and one hopes design improvements that mitigate the clog/cleaning business.
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Re: P800 Report
« Reply #17 on: July 05, 2015, 04:09:20 pm »

While in the 3880, going from PK to Mk ink changes were automatic, in the P800's System Administration there is an option 'Bk Ink Auto Change'. I set it to 'No' and then tried printing a paper with Matte page profile while the printer was still on PK. A message popped up, "Change to Black Ink Type specified by printer driver?'. Hitting Cancel turns to job off. Hitting 'Proceed' and the LCD panel says 'Changing to Matte Black'.

So, it prevents accidental ink changes.
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Re: P800 Report
« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2015, 04:23:42 pm »

While in the 3880, going from PK to Mk ink changes were automatic, in the P800's System Administration there is an option 'Bk Ink Auto Change'. I set it to 'No' and then tried printing a paper with Matte page profile while the printer was still on PK. A message popped up, "Change to Black Ink Type specified by printer driver?'. Hitting Cancel turns to job off. Hitting 'Proceed' and the LCD panel says 'Changing to Matte Black'.

So, it prevents accidental ink changes.

If it's what I think it is, that's pretty clever. It's probably letting you make the choice if the paper is of a kind that can be printed with either LK or PK, but if it's a paper that clearly wants only one or the other, it's letting the paper spec over-ride the optionality. Not sure about this, just deducing. As I mentioned in the review, some aspects of the driver were still being perfected while I had that printer so I deferred reviewing the driver, but hope to get to it in the unforeseeable future..........
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« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2015, 05:07:31 pm »

While in the 3880, going from PK to Mk ink changes were automatic, in the P800's System Administration there is an option 'Bk Ink Auto Change'. I set it to 'No' and then tried printing a paper with Matte page profile while the printer was still on PK. A message popped up, "Change to Black Ink Type specified by printer driver?'. Hitting Cancel turns to job off. Hitting 'Proceed' and the LCD panel says 'Changing to Matte Black'.

So, it prevents accidental ink changes.

That feature alone would be worth the upgrade price ;D

I don't think the P800's little brother, the P600, has that feature, but I could be wrong.

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