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Escaping from Adobe's Creative Cloud
« on: July 02, 2015, 09:08:43 am »

Finding issues with the new release of Adobe's CC2015 and the changes to Creative Cloud from when it was first introduced, I decided to cancel my subscription and acquire the stand alone version of Lightroom 6. This was not a simple task and anyone interested to making the same move would benefit from my blog post here:

http://www.erpimages.com/naturesetude.com/?p=1295

This is not an anti-Adobe post, but it is an anti-Creative Cloud/subscription post. I am no fan of what Adobe is becoming. Adobe does not want people to use the stand alone version and makes it very difficult to accomplish this task.

There are a lot of CoolAid drinkers in this forum and my humble advice to assess the security issues your computers are now subject to.

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Re: Escaping from Adobe's Creative Cloud
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2015, 09:26:07 am »

This is not an anti-Adobe post, but it is an anti-Creative Cloud/subscription post. I am no fan of what Adobe is becoming. Adobe does not want people to use the stand alone version and makes it very difficult to accomplish this task.

There are a lot of CoolAid drinkers in this forum and my humble advice to assess the security issues your computers are now subject to.
So what's your point in posting? Those of us happy with the subscription are CoolAid drinkers?
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Re: Escaping from Adobe's Creative Cloud
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2015, 09:35:46 am »

Indeed, good question Andrew. Quite apart from the gratuitous insult, as a cautious drinker of Cool-Aid, I would like to know what security risks CC is exposing my computer to. Perhaps the OP is a computer security specialist and he has some inside knowledge of how Adobe's code is menacing our computers. If so, this would of course be useful to understand. Otherwise it's rubbish.
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Re: Escaping from Adobe's Creative Cloud
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2015, 03:02:03 pm »

Andrew and Mark, if you read the OP's blog it's clear what his concerns are. Indeed, I don't know how organizations with IT departments and good computer security are handling Adobe's CC. You simply don't allow outside parties to automatically make changes to your computers. You have a firewall that's locked down tight. If Adobe has an access a hacker has an access.

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Re: Escaping from Adobe's Creative Cloud
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2015, 03:11:51 pm »


There are a lot of CoolAid drinkers in this forum and my humble advice to assess the security issues your computers are now subject to.


I actually gave up Kool-Aid when I was a teenager...my soft drink of choice now is red wine :~)

P.S. it helps when trying to make a point to spell the word correctly, just sayin'
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Re: Escaping from Adobe's Creative Cloud
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2015, 03:21:48 pm »

Andrew and Mark, if you read the OP's blog it's clear what his concerns are...

When someone posts something here, on this forum, it helps to make his points here, outright and clearly, without the need to follow a link to his blog. Otherwise it might be perceived as a thinly veiled attempt to drive traffic to his blog. Hurling an insult instead is certainly not going to endear him enough to many here to follow a link just to find out what he meant in the first place.

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Re: Escaping from Adobe's Creative Cloud
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2015, 03:51:07 pm »

When someone posts something here, on this forum, it helps to make his points here, outright and clearly, without the need to follow a link to his blog. Otherwise it might be perceived as a thinly veiled attempt to drive traffic to his blog. Hurling an insult instead is certainly not going to endear him enough to many here to follow a link just to find out what he meant in the first place.

I agree, yet I must point out that Andrew also does this (the first part, not the second).

Standing on the outside looking in it's seems that a lot of the debate about CC is non-rational. On the plus side the cost of the Photographer Plan is a rational reason to adopt it. On the negative side the security issue pointed out by the OP is a rational reason not to adopt it.
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Re: Escaping from Adobe's Creative Cloud
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2015, 04:32:43 pm »

And? You mention security problems without any details or references. To be honest, this is useless.
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Re: Escaping from Adobe's Creative Cloud
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2015, 04:37:29 pm »

CC is purely a marketing and pricing package.  It doesn't dynamically send updates to your computer, it doesn't steal your images into the cloud, it doesn't run the code from the cloud.   Both versions install the same code base on your computer, and your license type determines which features you can use.  

Updates to your computer take place the same way as they do with the perpetual license, when you want them to.  I am an IT guy and I can't imagine that CC imposes any more of a security risk than the perpetual version.  

I understand why people can don't like the licensing model of CC, although I've decided it's a good deal for me.  I'm flummoxed by the fear and hatred of the imagined "cloud" technology model, which simply doesn't exist.  

BTW, if there is some additional security issue, I'd love to know what it is. 
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Re: Escaping from Adobe's Creative Cloud
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2015, 04:39:20 pm »

In this case it was worthwhile going to the OPs website for a more detailed understanding of where he is coming from and who he is. But I still don't get it. (And Jeff, thanks for the correct spelling of Kool-Aid along with the page link; I agree red wine makes a lot more sense and used in moderation is actually supposed to be healthy; not sure about the health attributes of Kool-Aid these days.)

Now, on his site, Earl complains about needing to be on the internet to use the applications. Earl says: "While technically, this is still correct, in actuality this is not the case."

Adobe says:
"No, the desktop applications in Creative Cloud, such as Photoshop and Illustrator, are installed directly on your computer, so you don’t need an ongoing Internet connection to use them. An Internet connection is required the first time you install and license your apps, but you can use the apps in offline mode with a valid software license. The desktop apps will attempt to validate your software licenses every 30 days. Annual members can use the apps for up to 99 days in offline mode. Month-to-month members can use the software for up to 30 days in offline mode."

I think the onus is on Earl to better explain the difference between something that is technically but not actually correct, because if he's right that they don't perform as Adobe says they do, it would mean Adobe is misleading the public and that would be somewhat serious for a number of people.

As for the computer security business, if Adobe is not lying about using these applications off line, that issue tends to melt-away. The checking-inshould be no more dangerous than anything else one may do on the internet - such as downloading software or participating in Forums. So far nothing I've seen or heard reaches the spectacular heights of 4 million personnel files being hacked from so-called secure databases of the US Government. It's important to put things in perspective and get real. We use our computers, we use all kinds of stuff on the internet, we are exposed. Full stop. We depend on the diligence of the website owners. And I believe it still makes a difference to security whether we use a Windows or an Apple OS; not that the latter is invulnerable, but the former gets 99% of the attention.


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Re: Escaping from Adobe's Creative Cloud
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2015, 04:39:46 pm »

And? You mention security problems without any details or references. To be honest, this is useless.

Bingo.
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Re: Escaping from Adobe's Creative Cloud
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2015, 09:13:16 pm »

I do wonder just how secure Adobe is, personally.  Last year alone several huge companies were hacked, companies that outwardly should have a larger IT staff than Adobe.  Examples Target, Home Depot and most recently the US gov the scope of which is still being determined.

I don't have issue with the subscription package, however with the increase in destructive hacking that is going on, to me it's not of it
when.  I hope that Adobe has a large level of security.  From my queries to their tech support Adobe seems to have taken the route that most US companies what taken, outsource it outside the US, hope full that they kept their web/subscription service closer to home.


So far all has gone well in that regard. 

Paul


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Re: Escaping from Adobe's Creative Cloud
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2015, 09:27:27 pm »

Nothing wrong with outsourcing from a quality perspective as long as it is competent outsourcing and well-managed. The security risk about CC is a question of relativity. Relative to doing what -  is this any greater a security risk than a lot else we do on the internet? I'd be looking for much more tangible, credible evidence of differential risk before I find this line of attack on the CC approach at all convincing.

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Re: Escaping from Adobe's Creative Cloud
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2015, 09:43:21 pm »

Me?

I am pretty careless about health, safety and security issues of all kinds because I find restrictions and being excessively cautious exceedingly tiresome!
Perhaps I just like living dangerously and am bound to come unstuck one day.

But what is the point of worrying about what might happen (because it probably won't!).

I prefer to simply deal with fixing any issue when and if it ever happens.
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Re: Escaping from Adobe's Creative Cloud
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2015, 10:11:29 pm »

I wonder why Adobe decided to call their subscription service "Creative Cloud" if it's not cloud-based?

Did they not know the negative connotations of this word with many users? They could have called it Adobe Pay-as-you-go, Adobe Rental, Adobe subscription.

I think software developers live in a parallel universe.
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Re: Escaping from Adobe's Creative Cloud
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2015, 10:27:59 pm »

I wonder why Adobe decided to call their subscription service "Creative Cloud" if it's not cloud-based?

Actually, there are indeed certain aspect of CC that are cloud based...
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Re: Escaping from Adobe's Creative Cloud
« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2015, 10:52:31 pm »

Lest we forget - there's no such thing as the "Cloud" anyhow - only data in servers - but that's just so blah.
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Re: Escaping from Adobe's Creative Cloud
« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2015, 10:53:08 pm »

I do wonder just how secure Adobe is, personally.  Last year alone several huge companies were hacked, companies that outwardly should have a larger IT staff than Adobe.  Examples Target, Home Depot and most recently the US gov the scope of which is still being determined.
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So far all has gone well in that regard. 

Paul


Actually Adobe was among the companies hacked:

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Our investigation currently indicates that the attackers accessed Adobe customer IDs and encrypted passwords on our systems. We also believe the attackers removed from our systems certain information relating to 2.9 million Adobe customers, including customer names, encrypted credit or debit card numbers, expiration dates, and other information relating to customer orders. At this time, we do not believe the attackers removed decrypted credit or debit card numbers from our systems. We deeply regret that this incident occurred


http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2013/10/important-customer-security-announcement.html

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« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2015, 11:03:25 pm »

Yes indeed, but somehow, that makes me now feel safer with them, because after an incident like that they are surely redoubling their efforts on security.
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Re: Escaping from Adobe's Creative Cloud
« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2015, 11:21:12 pm »

Actually, there are indeed certain aspect of CC that are cloud based...

Too bad....my milk is labeled "contains no bst", my cereal is labeled "contains no GMO's". Adobe lost a chance to label its products "contains no Cloud".
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