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John V.

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understanding untagged images on the web
« on: June 03, 2015, 06:49:53 am »

I was experimenting with the "save for web and devices" function in relation to my problem from my other thread

http://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=100894.0

1) Any idea why images saved using this method are displaying as "untagged" even though "convert to srgb" is checked?

2) And why are the images that I download and save from all different places online "untagged" also? Example imgur.com, flickr, etc...

Even on Schewes site, for example: http://schewephoto.com/sRGB-VS-PPRGB/ all those images are "untagged" also.

I don't get it. I thought the rule was to have web images in srgb

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Re: understanding untagged images on the web
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2015, 09:21:50 am »

Not sure what version you're using but there should be a check box to embed the profile.
There is also EXIF data that can define the data is in sRGB not that all browsers will understand this. Some don't embed sRGB when uploading huge number of images because the 4K size of the embedded profile 'ads up' so to speak.
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Re: understanding untagged images on the web
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2015, 01:36:24 am »

So taking for example:

>Even on Schewes site, for example: http://schewephoto.com/sRGB-VS-PPRGB/ all those images are "untagged" also.

If you download the flower images and open them in photoshop, it's saying there is no icc.

But in reality they actually are tagged sRGB?

When Schewe uploaded those images to his site, they were images that were sRGB? 

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Re: understanding untagged images on the web
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2015, 08:20:34 am »

Converting to sRGB recalculates the numbers according to the sRGB profile. But you still have to embed the profile itself.

A file with sRGB numbers, but no profile, is untagged sRGB. Such a file will display roughly right on an average, standard gamut monitor - without any icc profile or color management - because the native color space of the monitor is already fairly close to the sRGB spec. In fact sRGB was originally developed to be a description of an average (CRT) monitor.

It used to be common practice to not embed the profile for web, partly because it added to file size, and partly because browsers weren't color managed anyway. Nowadays they are, and in addition we have wide gamut monitors that are nowhere near sRGB, so today I would say you should always embed. At least I do.

Most material on the web is still untagged. That causes problems for people with wide gamut displays, so two browsers, Firefox and Safari, use a neat little trick to overcome this. They assign sRGB to all untagged material, including graphic page elements, and this allows the color management chain to operate again. In fact it ensures full color management for everything (as long as it's created in sRGB) - so you could say we finally have a fully color managed web if you want it. If you suggested that a few years ago, people would just roll their eyes....
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