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The Look of Midnight in Paris and To Rome With Love
« on: May 31, 2015, 07:12:00 am »

Could any of you tell me how would you go about achieving the look of Woody Allen’s Midnight in Paris and To Rome With Love?

Here are some screenshots from the two films. First Midnight in Paris:

http://www.thecinetourist.net/an-american-tourist-in-paris.html

then To Rome With Love

http://movie-tourist.blogspot.com/2013/01/to-rome-with-love-2012.html

DVDBeaver has some screenshots from the Blue Rays discs:

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film3/blu-ray_reviews55/midnight_in_paris_blu-ray.htm
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film4/blu-ray_reviews_58/to_rome_with_love_blu-ray.htm

Or from Blue-ray.com:

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Midnight-in-Paris-Blu-ray/26512/#Screenshots
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/To-Rome-with-Love-Blu-ray/58388/#Screenshots

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Re: The Look of Midnight in Paris and To Rome With Love
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2015, 07:35:05 am »

Some of the pictures appear to have been taken in the warm evening light, others look like they've been warmed up, probably by using a filter at the time of taking.  I'd probably try photo filters first, then maybe colour ballance, depending on how close my image looked compared to a screencap, it may need a curves ajustment to match the contrast as well.
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Re: The Look of Midnight in Paris and To Rome With Love
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2015, 08:17:45 am »

Looks like a Shade white balance, i.e., 7500K.

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Re: The Look of Midnight in Paris and To Rome With Love
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2015, 08:37:30 am »

Similarish to Midnight in Paris look - Mostly split toning [ACR/LR], altering of green hues with a very minor tweaking of colour balance and contrast curve adjustment.
The lighting that shot was done with will also dramatically impact look. This was taken during a very heavy storm with black skies, so tricky to match the look.
Something to bear in mind that film grading looks don't necessarily work so well with still images. Particularly strong looks.
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Re: The Look of Midnight in Paris and To Rome With Love
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2015, 09:00:19 am »

Some of the pictures appear to have been taken in the warm evening light, others look like they've been warmed up, probably by using a filter at the time of taking.
Films are usually shot very neutrally/flat, so as to allow a much more versatile grade in post. Just like shooting raw, which some film cameras can finally do.
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Re: The Look of Midnight in Paris and To Rome With Love
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2015, 11:33:46 am »

That’s a very true statement that what worked for film won’t work for still images.

When you say “neutrally/flat”, what do you mean: without filters or something else?
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Re: The Look of Midnight in Paris and To Rome With Love
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2015, 05:02:50 pm »

That’s a very true statement that what worked for film won’t work for still images.

When you say “neutrally/flat”, what do you mean: without filters or something else?

This might explain better what the look is of neutrally/flat as an editing/color grading starting point...

http://learn.usa.canon.com/resources/articles/2011/understand_log_gamma.shtml
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Re: The Look of Midnight in Paris and To Rome With Love
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2015, 08:44:19 pm »

When you say “neutrally/flat”, what do you mean: without filters or something else?
Shooting either raw like one does with stills or if raw shooting is not an option, using what is usually referred to as log gamma [as Tim linked to above]. Best way to imagine shooting log as it being like a jpeg that when rendered in camera has not been sharpened, had any contrast increased or the colour boosted from the dull/flat looking raw sensor data. Image is then often exposed so as not to blow any highlights, this then leaves an image so that you can be very flexible with in post and apply a huge variety of looks such as blowing highlights by choice. See screengrab below - Centre version is like a log gamma or raw shot and either side are very different grades applied to the shot.
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Re: The Look of Midnight in Paris and To Rome With Love
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2015, 03:05:32 am »

It seems like Woody used the same grader for the same look in both films. Kind of a sun faded postcard to mate with the faux nostalgia.
Midnight In Paris is an A+ film for me. Especially the Bunuel bit.
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Re: The Look of Midnight in Paris and To Rome With Love
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2015, 08:54:22 am »

Thank you, Tim and jjj.

It seems like Woody used the same grader for the same look in both films. Kind of a sun faded postcard to mate with the faux nostalgia.
Midnight In Paris is an A+ film for me. Especially the Bunuel bit.

Is the look the same? Rome is much sunnier and there's a lot of orange, whereas Paris is cloudy and there is a kind of yellow cast over the images – it reminded me of watching the world through yellow safety glasses.

I presume that the grader you are talking about is Joseph (Joe) Gawler?
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Re: The Look of Midnight in Paris and To Rome With Love
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2015, 12:01:54 pm »

just looks like they took out a little bit of blue and added a little red to the image.

You can get the same effect by raising the color temp in LR as well.

Nothing special.

BTW, LOG recording in movies is done to record the entire dynamic range of the sensor (ie. very low contrast) while allocating more tonal gradations to the mid-tones and few tonal gradations to the highlights, which are more difficult to notice in the final color corrected image.  It's really a compression scheme to allow recording 10 or 12 bit files instead of 16 bit.
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Re: The Look of Midnight in Paris and To Rome With Love
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2015, 12:19:51 pm »

just looks like they took out a little bit of blue and added a little red to the image.

You can get the same effect by raising the color temp in LR as well.

Nothing special

You've made me smile. I sincerely hope you're right. 8) I keep obsessing that it is something a lot more complicated than that.

The screenshots on Movie Tourist for Midnight in Paris look even warmer than the film:

http://movie-tourist.blogspot.com/2014/04/midnight-in-paris-2011.html
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Re: The Look of Midnight in Paris and To Rome With Love
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2015, 12:25:32 pm »

You've made me smile. I sincerely hope you're right. 8) I keep obsessing that it is something a lot more complicated than that.

The screenshots on Movie Tourist for Midnight in Paris look even warmer than the film:

http://movie-tourist.blogspot.com/2014/04/midnight-in-paris-2011.html

These photos don't look like they are pulled from the movie, but made by the set still photographer.  And they don't look very good do they?
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Re: The Look of Midnight in Paris and To Rome With Love
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2015, 12:29:26 pm »

These photos don't look like they are pulled from the movie, but made by the set still photographer.  And they don't look very good do they?


Midnight in Moscow?  Adjusted by color temp in Adobe Camera RAW...
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Re: The Look of Midnight in Paris and To Rome With Love
« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2015, 12:50:57 pm »

I do not know much about movie grading, but in photography, white balance can change the mood dramatically. Here is an example and a comparison between:

1. Out-of-camera shot, with Auto WB and Adobe Standard camera profile
2. Shade WB, Landscape camera profile
3. Fluorescent WB, Neutral camera profile

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Re: The Look of Midnight in Paris and To Rome With Love
« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2015, 12:59:26 pm »

I do not know much about movie grading, but in photography, white balance can change the mood dramatically. Here is an example and a comparison between:

1. Out-of-camera shot, with Auto WB and Adobe Standard camera profile
2. Shade WB, Landscape camera profile
3. Fluorescent WB, Neutral camera profile



A good example!
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Re: The Look of Midnight in Paris and To Rome With Love
« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2015, 01:00:14 pm »

Here is a reverse engineered LUT applied in Photoshop (attached screenshot).

Here is a link to a ZIP archive of the LUT, in various formats.  The LUT was made with 3DLUT Creator.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/oabz8novcttx7rf/ParisLUT.zip?dl=0

If you want to use the ICC version, you need to load the LUT as a Device Link profile in PS.  For application of all of the LUT formats in PS, use a Color Lookup adjustment layer.

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Re: The Look of Midnight in Paris and To Rome With Love
« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2015, 01:04:17 pm »

These photos don't look like they are pulled from the movie, but made by the set still photographer.  And they don't look very good do they?

I think that these are screenshots.

It's really striking to compare the image of Gil walking along the Seine on Quai des Orfèvres and this image from The New Yorker (or the one in the blog post):

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/whats-missing-from-woody-allens-paris

The New Yorker image, I think, is a still photo from the film's stills photographer.
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Re: The Look of Midnight in Paris and To Rome With Love
« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2015, 04:51:20 pm »

Here is a reverse engineered LUT applied in Photoshop (attached screenshot).

Here is a link to a ZIP archive of the LUT, in various formats.  The LUT was made with 3DLUT Creator.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/oabz8novcttx7rf/ParisLUT.zip?dl=0

If you want to use the ICC version, you need to load the LUT as a Device Link profile in PS.  For application of all of the LUT formats in PS, use a Color Lookup adjustment layer.

kirk

I think I was hesitating for ages to ask if this was possible and – voilà – here you do that exact thing! Thank you.
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Re: The Look of Midnight in Paris and To Rome With Love
« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2015, 05:40:42 pm »

You've made me smile. I sincerely hope you're right. 8) I keep obsessing that it is something a lot more complicated than that.
It probably is. It's very unlikely they simply tweaked WB as the greens go all icky if you simply up colour temperature.
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