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evgeny

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Hasselblad PHocus is slow
« on: May 24, 2015, 09:58:31 am »

Hi,

I run Phocus on Macbook Pro (17-inch, Mid 2009) with 2.8 Ghz Intel Dual-Core 2 processor, 8Gb 1067 MHz DDR3 memory, NVIDIA GeForce 9400M 256Mb card, and SATA II SSD disk.

The problem is in post production: Phocus freezes for 3-15 seconds after each parameter change in the Adjust panel. As far as I remember, Hasselblad said - this time is used to refresh the screen. H4D40 ".fff" files are 76Mb.

Can you share what is your modern Macbook Pro configuration and what "freeze" time do you see when you change a parameter in the Adjust panel?
I think to upgrade to a quad-core processor with 16Gb of memory, but in doubt if that can resolve, or only partially, the issue in PHocus.

Thanks!
Evgeny
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Re: Hasselblad PHocus is slow
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2015, 03:14:57 pm »

Are you running the latest Phocus release?
There was an update a short while ago that was very buggy, and Hasselblad issued an update to fix.
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Re: Hasselblad PHocus is slow
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2015, 03:44:50 pm »

I have a similar vintage MacBookPro which handles Phocus *much* faster than that. I'm on an older version of Phocus, try going back to an older one and see if that fixes as I've heard the latest releases were buggy?

Cheers, Hywel
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evgeny

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Re: Hasselblad PHocus is slow
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2015, 03:58:32 pm »

I run PHocus v 2.8.4. I think it is the latest version at this time.

I use PHocus since 2010. Phocus always been slow in the Adjust panel.
I do not see much difference in performance between the new and old versions.

Do you see performance issues in Phocus on Macbook Pro 2014–2015 models?

Evgeny
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Re: Hasselblad PHocus is slow
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2015, 04:41:18 pm »

I've run it on my 2013 MBP with 60mpx files and it runs fine. No wait time between adjustments, etc. With the exception of the release before last – which performed as you've described – it has run fine for me. It must be noted though that I'm not a "power user" in that I don't import a ton of files at once.
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Re: Hasselblad PHocus is slow
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2015, 05:33:29 pm »

The poor club here runs 2.8.1 on a 2007 15in MacBookPro with 2GB of memory (why is their no smiley with tears?). I have run ex Phase One Tiffs from the P20 with no issues, I can only run v7 C1 with this laptop and Phocus runs faster with much fewer, ie no, hangs. When I upgrade later this year, now the new 15in are out , I am told I may see a speed increase  :D
I suggest if you are struggling with 8GB, and bear in mind I'm no expert, there is a memory leak or permissions problem to be addressed or another issue if it runs on 2 it should fly on 8. (I'm looking at 16 and am a bit disappointed they didn't go higher it has to last another 7 years!!!

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Re: Hasselblad PHocus is slow
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2015, 05:44:44 pm »

Evgeny
Do you by any chance have moire removal set to any value other than zero. That is the only time I have ever found a delay in changing settings. Otherwise. Those delays shouldn't be happening.

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Re: Hasselblad PHocus is slow
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2015, 09:17:49 pm »

Yes What Edna said, something is up with your system.
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evgeny

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Re: Hasselblad PHocus is slow
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2015, 03:42:30 am »

Edna,

moire removal is a tool that I don't aware of in PHocus. Where is it located?

Thanks
Evgeny
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Re: Hasselblad PHocus is slow
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2015, 04:13:29 am »

It's under the Noise Filter Tab: Colour, Luminance Moire.
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Re: Hasselblad PHocus is slow
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2015, 10:59:57 am »

I'll Edna you  ;D
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Re: Hasselblad PHocus is slow
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2015, 03:37:30 pm »

Hi Enda,

the moire removal is set to zero.
However I got your idea.
I completely disabled all tabs with unmodified parameters, such as Grayscale, Noise Filter, Dust Removal and Scene Calibration.
Some lag does exist, but it is noticeably shorter. PHocus is faster now.

Thanks a lot!
Evgeny
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Re: Hasselblad PHocus is slow
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2015, 07:20:57 pm »

hello Evgeny,

what you could do is creat a new user acount on the mac ( mine is called  TEST) - log in as test and see if the problem is gone.

If it is -  it has to do with preferences, caches  etc...

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Re: Hasselblad PHocus is slow
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2015, 08:17:00 pm »

Evgeny,

In my opinion,the issue is the amount of VRAM that you have on your system.
You have posted that you have 256mb of VRAM, the minimum suggested is below from Phocus release notes:

For a laptop choose a MacBook Pro with minimum 512MB of video RAM, I would personally recommend at least 1GB of VRAM

Phocus as well as most image editors (Photoshop, Lightroom, C1) today rely on the GPU for most of the image manipulation.
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Re: Hasselblad PHocus is slow
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2015, 10:52:13 pm »

Evgeny,

In my opinion,the issue is the amount of VRAM that you have on your system.
You have posted that you have 256mb of VRAM, the minimum suggested is below from Phocus release notes:

For a laptop choose a MacBook Pro with minimum 512MB of video RAM, I would personally recommend at least 1GB of VRAM

Phocus as well as most image editors (Photoshop, Lightroom, C1) today rely on the GPU for most of the image manipulation.

Hey Steve,

You do realize that most of the Mac's out there now don't have dedicated video cards, right?  The only new laptop with an actual video card is the top of the line Retina MBP starting at $2,500.  I would hope that the testing process for Hasselblad includes these new machines that don't have dedicated graphic resources, since the Iris/HD6000 graphics 'share' system memory.  https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204349

-Joe
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Re: Hasselblad PHocus is slow
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2015, 12:04:05 am »

Joe,

You are correct that most of the newer Apple products use shared video memory, however the following integrated gpu's can ALL supply up to 1.5gb of RAM for gpu functions:

Intel Iris Pro Graphics
Intel Iris Graphics
Intel Iris Graphics 6100
Intel HD Graphics 6000
Intel HD Graphics 5300
Intel HD Graphics 5000

This covers most every new or "newer" mac system out there.

Apple does offer the 21.5" iMac with a dedicated GPU for around 1500.00 as a more affordable option if you choose to go that route.

What i was simply stating is that Evgeny is using a 6 year old computer that does not meet the minimum suggested specs for optimal performance when processing large image files.
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Re: Hasselblad PHocus is slow
« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2015, 12:35:43 am »

A lot have given good ideas.
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My 2010 MBP with 4GB Ram works OK. Could be better, but so could everything.
Where are the original files? If they aren't on the machine then move them there for editing.
What operating system are you using? Old applications and prefs are a killer beyond 10.6.

Slow response usually has to do with other things going on.
Are there apps running in the background?
Check the Activity Monitor.
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Re: Hasselblad PHocus is slow
« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2015, 12:16:44 pm »

Hi Evegny
There is no doubt that upgrading from a 2009 mac book pro will provide an additional performance boost but perhaps the tweaks you already made will reduce the delay to tolerable not pulling your hair out levels  ;D

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Re: Hasselblad PHocus is slow
« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2015, 02:50:59 pm »

Sure!  ;D
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