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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: eronald on August 08, 2014, 07:10:40 pm
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$100 per mm? Almost, not quite. 6500 Euro list.
Tech data here:
http://www.photoscala.de/Artikel/Leica-Summicron-S-2100-mm-ASPH
Edmund
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In English:
http://leicarumors.com/2014/08/06/coming-soon-leica-summicron-s-2100mm-asph-lens-and-leica-s-type-006-camera-2-4-0-0-firmware-update.aspx/
http://lavidaleica.com/content/summicron-s-100mm-f2-asph-coming
Probably a smart move from Leica, except for the 30-90mm zoom going from 70mm to 120mm felt a bit like a hole in their lens lineup.
And quite a few people were using the Hasselblad HC 100/2.2 (significantly cheaper at $4,260) with the H-adapter.
I am sure this will be an awesome lens as it obviously should be for the money...
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I think we can expect two things at Photokina, with certainty:
- An updated S3.
- A price increase. it takes a lot of money to maintain exclusivity :)
Edmund
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They are definitely trying to shift their stock of S cameras, had some posh woman phone me up and ask if if I wanted to borrow a demo camera for free. Never had any dealings with Leica before, surprised high-end boutique manufacturers are resulting to cold calling to working class people to generate sales. ::) can't they just give cameras to posh celebrities to wander around with?
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They are definitely trying to shift their stock of S cameras, had some posh woman phone me up and ask if if I wanted to borrow a demo camera for free. Never had any dealings with Leica before, surprised high-end boutique manufacturers are resulting to cold calling to working class people to generate sales. ::) can't they just give cameras to posh celebrities to wander around with?
With fashion-type profit margins they can afford to have a lot of demo gear and unsold stock.
Edmund
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$100 per mm? Almost, not quite. 6500 Euro list.
It makes the new Nikon 400mm f2.8 FL ED VR look like a total bargain! :)
Cheers,
Bernard
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Hello,
WOW! $10,300.00 NZ dollers for a 100mm lens.
Cheers
Simon
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By aperture (which is what you are paying for), rather than by focal length, it's more like $200 per mm! :o
Ray
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It seems to me the price is not out of this world - It is not hugely more expensive than the Otus, has Autofocus plus the Leica Tax. All in all, now that a manual Focus lens from Zeiss is 5k Euros or so, the Leica S lenses don't seem that overpriced anymore.
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It seems to me the price is not out of this world - It is not hugely more expensive than the Otus, has Autofocus plus the Leica Tax. All in all, now that a manual Focus lens from Zeiss is 5k Euros or so, the Leica S lenses don't seem that overpriced anymore.
I paid my Otus 4,000 US$, which, as far as I recall, it is closer to 3,000 Euro. Isn't that more that twice "cheaper"? ;)
Cheers.
Bernard
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It seems to me the price is not out of this world - It is not hugely more expensive than the Otus, has Autofocus plus the Leica Tax. All in all, now that a manual Focus lens from Zeiss is 5k Euros or so, the Leica S lenses don't seem that overpriced anymore.
Did you just call Zeiss a Leica shill ?
:)
Edmund
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Apparently there is not going to be a CS version which seems awkward as the lens is probably mostly targeted towards fashion shooters...
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Apparently there is not going to be a CS version which seems awkward as the lens is probably mostly targeted towards fashion shooters...
Huh?
The Leica S/S2 is the medium format deal of the century, if you
#1 shop around and find a demo or lightly used with warranty (see Steve at Capture Integration).
#2 you buy an adapter for an H or Contax lens.
H lenses are falling out of the trees and they have central shutters if you need them.
I find CS not a big deal as flash duration will freeze a lot better than the shutter and even outside I can easily overpower the sun, except maybe in the palm desert at mid day.
Both shot with focal plane shutters 1200 watts and the Contax sync is only 1/90th.
(http://www.russellrutherford.com/p30+_flash.jpg)
Sometimes you just use the tools you have and everything works out.
IMO
BC
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J,
I used a $500 Planar 110/2 V lens with an adapter on my Mamiya. You can mount them on the S, probably. I know the Leica is probably better but for $500 the Planar is ... considerably cheaper and optically not that bad ;)
Edmund
Huh?
The Leica S/S2 is the medium format deal of the century, if you
#1 shop around and find a demo or lightly used with warranty (see Steve at Capture Integration).
#2 you buy an adapter for an H or Contax lens.
H lenses are falling out of the trees and they have central shutters if you need them.
I find CS not a big deal as flash duration will freeze a lot better than the shutter and even outside I can easily overpower the sun, except maybe in the palm desert at mid day.
Both shot with focal plane shutters 1200 watts and the Contax sync is only 1/90th.
(http://www.russellrutherford.com/p30+_flash.jpg)
Sometimes you just use the tools you have and everything works out.
IMO
BC
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This lens will drive the price of medical care up yet again!
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I paid my Otus 4,000 US$, which, as far as I recall, it is closer to 3,000 Euro. Isn't that more that twice "cheaper"? ;)
Cheers.
Bernard
The Otus is $4k, the S 70 mm standard lens is $6k at B&H. That's $2k difference and for that you get weather sealing, auto focus, auto diaphragm, a larger image circle (54 instead of 43) provided you have an S camera to put the lens on, of course. (Damn why doesn't Leica make a smart adapter from S to CaNikon and Sony FE mount)
You loose the Otus' f1,4 because the 70 mm is f2,5. Some see the Otus is the best thing since sliced bread, but believe me, the 70 mm is one hell of a good lens. To each his own.
Edit: I forgot, for $6.000 you also get a leaf shutter, if you don't want/need that it's $5.000. That's a mere $1k difference with the Otus.
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The Otus is $4k, the S 70 mm standard lens is $6k at B&H. That's $2k difference and for that you get weather sealing, auto focus, auto diaphragm, a larger image circle (54 instead of 43) provided you have an S camera to put the lens on, of course. (Damn why doesn't Leica make a smart adapter from S to CaNikon and Sony FE mount)
You loose the Otus' f1,4 because the 70 mm is f2,5. Some see the Otus is the best thing since sliced bread, but believe me, the 70 mm is one hell of a good lens. To each his own.
Edit: I forgot, for $6.000 you also get a leaf shutter, if you don't want/need that it's $5.000. That's a mere $1k difference with the Otus.
I've been playing around with my $400 Sigma Merrill DP3; it's sharper than anything I've *ever* seen, I mean scary sharp, and the camera is thrown in for free - my feeling a lot of these high end prices we see now are just marketing, the Sony 50/1.8 and the Sigma Art lenses are pretty good, AF and not that expensive. I'm not saying the Leica and Zeiss Otus are bad lenses, just that the prices are fashion pricing.
Edmund
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The Otus is $4k, the S 70 mm standard lens is $6k at B&H. That's $2k difference and for that you get weather sealing, auto focus, auto diaphragm, a larger image circle (54 instead of 43) provided you have an S camera to put the lens on, of course. (Damn why doesn't Leica make a smart adapter from S to CaNikon and Sony FE mount)
You loose the Otus' f1,4 because the 70 mm is f2,5. Some see the Otus is the best thing since sliced bread, but believe me, the 70 mm is one hell of a good lens. To each his own.
Edit: I forgot, for $6.000 you also get a leaf shutter, if you don't want/need that it's $5.000. That's a mere $1k difference with the Otus.
Agreed with all that. I was merely correction price information about the Otus.
Now, I guess you would agree with me that the 70mm S should be compared to a 50mm f1.8 lenses in 35mm. The f1.4 spec is driving most of the price of the Otus.
Cheers,
Bernard
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Agreed with all that. I was merely correction price information about the Otus.
Now, I guess you would agree with me that the 70mm S should be compared to a 50mm f1.8 lenses in 35mm. The f1.4 spec is driving most of the price of the Otus.
Cheers,
Bernard
I think that if you want a good F11 lens for MF, then for a 50MP sensor you will have that anyway with most modern lenses due to the diffraction limitation from the sensor, and the possibility of correcting CA and deformations in software. The same for a 35mm lens @ F8. So the price one pays is for good wide-open performance, but at these apertures it can be argued that one wishes for Bokeh even more than sharpness. I don't think landscape shooters should pay those prices, maybe portraitists should, but not for sharpness ...and they will want AF precisely because it is an interactive exercise. Which leaves us with certain product shots etc ... is this really the domain of the Otus?
Edmund
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I guess no one can say the Rollei lenses are expensive now! ;D
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I think that if you want a good F11 lens for MF, then for a 50MP sensor you will have that anyway with most modern lenses due to the diffraction limitation from the sensor, and the possibility of correcting CA and deformations in software. The same for a 35mm lens @ F8. So the price one pays is for good wide-open performance, but at these apertures it can be argued that one wishes for Bokeh even more than sharpness. I don't think landscape shooters should pay those prices, maybe portraitists should, but not for sharpness ...and they will want AF precisely because it is an interactive exercise. Which leaves us with certain product shots etc ... is this really the domain of the Otus?
I am a bit unclear whether your comment adresses S lenses or the Otus, but here is my view about the Otus.
- The Otus works very well for environmental portraits and it reasonably easy to focus at f1.4/f2.0 on the D810. The only lens that may be superior is the Nikon 58mm f1.4 that offers the nicest bokeh I have ever seen, but at the cost of less color purity.
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3881/14771635335_abd1dec477_o.jpg)
- The Otus also works very well as a stitching lens at f5.6-f11 because it is basically perfect with close to nothing to correct in software. Yes, it is possible to get close with cheaper lenses and software correction, but as far as I am concerned the 50~ mm is my most used focal length for stitching so it makes sense to invest in the best,
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7384/13965272638_f1ed2f903e_o.jpg)
- The Otus is finally also a great walk around lens. Some may argue that it is a bit large, heavy and too visible but why bother shooting with anything lighter than the heaviest you can carry? Besides, street shooting shouldn't be about hiding/stealing images, should it? ;)
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3879/14567312678_5d06ed18c5_o.jpg)
Cheers,
Bernard
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Bernard,
You're happy with the Otus - that's the main thing.
It is clearly a unique lens, combining both draw and sharpness.
Unfortunately it is MF, and I have given up on MF due to aging eyes and extreme laziness.
My Canon 85/1.2 is almost welded onto my 1Ds3, and I guess will remain my solution for the foreseeable future when I want to use an SLR. I don't do landscape so I have no real need for super-sharpness.
Edmund
I am a bit unclear whether your comment adresses S lenses or the Otus, but here is my view about the Otus.
- The Otus works very well for environmental portraits and it reasonably easy to focus at f1.4/f2.0 on the D810. The only lens that may be superior is the Nikon 58mm f1.4 that offers the nicest bokeh I have ever seen, but at the cost of less color purity.
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3881/14771635335_abd1dec477_o.jpg)
- The Otus also works very well as a stitching lens at f5.6-f11 because it is basically perfect with close to nothing to correct in software. Yes, it is possible to get close with cheaper lenses and software correction, but as far as I am concerned the 50~ mm is my most used focal length for stitching so it makes sense to invest in the best,
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7384/13965272638_f1ed2f903e_o.jpg)
- The Otus is finally also a great walk around lens. Some may argue that it is a bit large, heavy and too visible but why bother shooting with anything lighter than the heaviest you can carry? Besides, street shooting shouldn't be about hiding/stealing images, should it? ;)
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3879/14567312678_5d06ed18c5_o.jpg)
Cheers,
Bernard
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Bernard,
Nice photos!
Eric
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Huh?
The Leica S/S2 is the medium format deal of the century, if you
#1 shop around and find a demo or lightly used with warranty (see Steve at Capture Integration).
#2 you buy an adapter for an H or Contax lens.
H lenses are falling out of the trees and they have central shutters if you need them.
I find CS not a big deal as flash duration will freeze a lot better than the shutter and even outside I can easily overpower the sun, except maybe in the palm desert at mid day.
Both shot with focal plane shutters 1200 watts and the Contax sync is only 1/90th.
(http://www.russellrutherford.com/p30+_flash.jpg)
Sometimes you just use the tools you have and everything works out.
IMO
BC
BC,
Not disagreeing with anything you said but reading the Leica forums the non-availability of a CS version appears to be a deal breaker for some.
Prices for the Leica S are still a bit on the high end I find. Prices for the Leica S2 are just right now I feel.
I have a S2 body on order. It comes with a year of Leica USA warranty.
Joris.
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I haven't been as successful using lights to stop action as I have with the leaf shutters + lights. Partly this is because the lights have a pretty long duration when you use them at high power - at least my Profoto D4 packs do - I measured them with a mumford time machine light cell - it goes from 1/2000 to 1/4. If I am using a camera mounted flash, maybe it works because these have much faster flashes - I always use the little flashes for macro work for that reason. But so often there are a mix of lights in a set up - you can't always get what you want with slow sync. I think leaf shutters are also advantageous for many other types of shooting where not having a FPS helps get a steadier shot.
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I haven't been as successful using lights to stop action as I have with the leaf shutters + lights. Partly this is because the lights have a pretty long duration when you use them at high power - at least my Profoto D4 packs do - I measured them with a mumford time machine light cell - it goes from 1/2000 to 1/4. If I am using a camera mounted flash, maybe it works because these have much faster flashes - I always use the little flashes for macro work for that reason. But so often there are a mix of lights in a set up - you can't always get what you want with slow sync. I think leaf shutters are also advantageous for many other types of shooting where not having a FPS helps get a steadier shot.
Eric,
I seem to remember the guy who designed the original Elinchrom warning me that dialing their flash *down* increased duration. Maybe I got it wrong? Or Profotos are different?
Edmund
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I seem to remember the guy who designed the original Elinchrom warning me that dialing their flash *down* increased duration. Maybe I got it wrong? Or Profotos are different?
My Profoto D1, and recently acquired B1, have shorter flash duration at lower power outputs.
Cheers,
Bernard
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... Partly this is because the lights have a pretty long duration when you use them at high power - at least my Profoto D4 packs do - I measured them with a mumford time machine light cell - it goes from 1/2000 to 1/4 ...
Aren't the D4's something of an antique in lighting technology unless you need 4-head output from a single generator ? The B4 1000 Air gives me a range of 1/25,000-1/2,200s.
Fast enough, even at the longest duration, to relegate the A7r shutter vibration to an irrelevance.
Oh, and I almost forgot - if the palpitations get out of control it'll even fire at up to 30 times a second [/light hearted quip]
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I'm not saying to use any equipment that doesn't give you an advantage.
Leaf Shutters are ok, though like the Hasselblad H the top shutter speed is only 1/800th which really doesn't
freeze fast motion.
It's also a sliding scale that the higher the shutter, the slower the duration the less power you have available because your cutting into the flash like continuous light.
I personally think flash duration is the only way to really freeze fast moving subjects.
I shot this series with Acute monoblocks, but mostly older photogenic monoblocks. I have about twenty of them and acquired them for years. They're not the sexiest
equipment but they work and produce a lot of light at low settings.
(http://www.russellrutherford.com/blk_sports_overview.jpg)
Anyway, the p30+ and Contax is what I had, the photogenics worked in testing so I shot the gig.
I did briefly test an H series in this configuration and didn't see any advantage, though shooting on white with a lot of ambience bounce, the H series cs does help.
We all get caught up a new camera will do something different but sometimes (actually manytimes) we already have the camera that will get to where we want.
But back to the Leica. Leica glass has always been expensive, though seems to hold it's value better than most lenses.
I bought an S2 because I wanted to and enjoy it. It's very well built feels like quality and shoots a good file. Is it a better deal than a Nikon . . . to me yes, to others
probably not, but if cost is an issue, Contax or H series lenses are fairly inexpensive (in the big lens world) and work very will with the S series.
IMO
BC
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A fast portrait lens was a big request when the S camera was launched.
Now it's here - albeit at a price.
I think we should praise Leica for listening to its customers - and go take some pictures because most of us are not in the target audience :)
For those who want a nice cheap MF portrait lens - I do remind you that the 110/2 Planar costs $500 and mounts impeccably on a Mamiya.
Edmund
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A fast portrait lens was a big request when the S camera was launched.
Now it's here - albeit at a price.
I think we should praise Leica for listening to its customers - and go take some pictures because most of us are not in the target audience :)
For those who want a nice cheap MF portrait lens - I do remind you that the 110/2 Planar costs $500 and mounts impeccably on a Mamiya.
Edmund
I have the 100mm f2 planar and have only used it half a dozen times. The adapters for the contax are dumb and have to be manually stopped down, also the lens is not cheap.
(http://www.russellrutherford.com/110portrait.jpg)
Manual focus is slow, wide open it's usually what eyeball would you like to see and overall it's a beautiful piece of glass I find fairly non useable in todays digital capable bodies.
The only point I was making was everyone jumps on Leica as the investment banker camera and though some of that is true, my S2 has amazing build quality and Leica was either smart or
generous to give us full function adapters for Contax and H lenses, which pretty much covers any focal length you could desire.
I have the leica 120 and don't see any real "magic" compared to my contax 120mm, other than the leica is autofocus, the contax manual.
IMO
BC
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Now, I guess you would agree with me that the 70mm S should be compared to a 50mm f1.8 lenses in 35mm. The f1.4 spec is driving most of the price of the Otus.
Absolutely, and a large aperture like f1.4 can be an important feature for those who need it. Of course with the 30x45 mm S sensor one gathers 1,5 times more light.
Me, I need the CS in my S 70 mm and 120 mm lenses. I do a lot of really close up stuff handheld with flash and being able to shoot at 1/1000 for me makes all the difference between tack sharp and unusable blurry photos. I figure since the S system gives me all this resolution, I might just as well use it :-)
Question: would you consider buying S lenses instead of the upcoming Otus series if there were a reliable smart adapter?
BTW, I like the Otus samples you posted. Very nice images, thanks for sharing.
As for the new 100 'Cron, some feel it should have had a leaf shutter, others don't care. In any case I appreciate Leica making this lens, it gives the photographer more options, and that's a good thing.
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With a fast lens, I just point the AF at the closest eyeball, and let the other take care of itself - the problem is avoiding the dreaded "eyelashes in focus, eye blurred" effect :)
I can imagine that under production pressure MF @ wide open is no fun, and in fact this is my point about the Otus - unusable for me in practice.
There are now several S2's on ebay at around $9K so with the new model selloff due to come, in a year or so mere mortals will be able to afford the used bodies.
I myself am waiting for the H4D40 prices to crash, as I really like the images I've seen from that body; the Leica ergonomics impress me, but the images not as much for some reason.
Edmund
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Question: would you consider buying S lenses instead of the upcoming Otus series if there were a reliable smart adapter?
Yes, I would definitely consider some of the S lenses if they could be mounted on the D810. I already own 2 Leica R lenses (180mm f2.8 APO and 280mm f4 APO) and they are splendid. Their price has almost doubled since I bought them btw.
BTW, I like the Otus samples you posted. Very nice images, thanks for sharing.
Thanks, very kind of you.
Cheers,
Bernard
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Yes, Leica glass seems to be a good investment. :-) I still have several of my R lenses including my two favorites - the 100mm macro and the 80 'lux. I regret selling my 35-70 f/2.8 elmarit because the other day I noticed one for sale at $17,000
Well there may be a few strobe packs out there that get slower on lower power settings. Frank Dorhoff and I went around on this topic several years back and that's why I went and measured mine just to make sure I wasn't blowing hot air. Maybe his is the reverse? I don't think its as common however. I also noted that the duration I measured on my D4's was significantly longer than profoto quotes. I think the standard is to quote the time that most of the flash energy is going out, but there is a tail.
In my case with the Rolleiflex the max sync is 1/1000th, but unfortunately pocket wizards only do 1/400 (multimax is 1/500th) and a sync cable is needed to get that 1/1000th which isn't so fun. You'd think since you're already got a tether for the back, one more cable won't be a problem, but it seems the power pack is always in a different place than the laptop.
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I myself am waiting for the H4D40 prices to crash, as I really like the images I've seen from that body; the Leica ergonomics impress me, but the images not as much for some reason.
Prices for a used H4D-40 in the US seem to about the same as for the Leica S2, i.e.. in the $8-10K range.
If you buy it from Hasselblad it comes with a warranty of 6 months.
Prices came down when the H5D-40 was released but not really any further when the H5D-50c was released.
You might be in for a bit of a wait… :)
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Prices for a used H4D-40 in the US seem to about the same as for the Leica S2, i.e.. in the $8-10K range.
If you buy it from Hasselblad it comes with a warranty of 6 months.
Prices came down when the H5D-40 was released but not really any further when the H5D-50c was released.
You might be in for a bit of a wait… :)
I'm only 60, I think I'll give it a year :)
Here is the most recent Hasselblad CPO list (http://hasselbladusa.com/media/1064797/husa_cert_preowned.pdf)
And here is the current list price in Europe, tax included.
http://shop.fotopartner.de/epages/Fotopartner.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/Fotopartner/Categories/Hasselblad/Hasselblad-H-System/H-Sytem_Kameras#.U-wYe47I-BU
Edmund
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I'm only 60, I think I'll give it a year :)
Here is the most recent Hasselblad CPO list (http://hasselbladusa.com/media/1064797/husa_cert_preowned.pdf)
And here is the current list price in Europe, tax included.
http://shop.fotopartner.de/epages/Fotopartner.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/Fotopartner/Categories/Hasselblad/Hasselblad-H-System/H-Sytem_Kameras#.U-wYe47I-BU
Edmund
The H5D-40 is $12,995 in the US but supposedly that is only a promotion till end of September.
The CPO prices for the H4D-40 were actually cheaper initially and they flew out of the door, then Hasselblad upped their used prices to regularly (as now) give a 20% discount…
Even with the current promotion though they are no longer moving so fast, probably anybody who wanted one on the cheap (all is relative) did get one…
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Yes, Leica glass seems to be a good investment. :-) I still have several of my R lenses including my two favorites - the 100mm macro and the 80 'lux. I regret selling my 35-70 f/2.8 elmarit because the other day I noticed one for sale at $17,000
I won't mention what I paid for my 280mm f/4 APO in 2005 ;)
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- The Otus works very well for environmental portraits and it reasonably easy to focus at f1.4/f2.0 on the D810. The only lens that may be superior is the Nikon 58mm f1.4 that offers the nicest bokeh I have ever seen, but at the cost of less color purity.
Having used the new Nikkor 58mm F/1.4 and new Sigma Art 50mm f/1.4 on consecutive "full open" portrait assignments I have to say that while the Nikkor has nice and "personal" bokeh the corners are quite unsharp and distorted. Sigma on the other hand (I suppose Otus is the same) is razor sharp all across the frame. So I prefer Sigma, oversharp frame can be unsharpened for effect, but the opposite is not possible. I have the Sigma in my bag.
But I am fortunate enough to be able to borrow the 58mm Nikkor from my colleague when ever I feel like it...
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Having used the new Nikkor 58mm F/1.4 and new Sigma Art 50mm f/1.4 on consecutive "full open" portrait assignments I have to say that while the Nikkor has nice and "personal" bokeh the corners are quite unsharp and distorted. Sigma on the other hand (I suppose Otus is the same) is razor sharp all across the frame. So I prefer Sigma, oversharp frame can be unsharpened for effect, but the opposite is not possible. I have the Sigma in my bag.
Just shoot everything at f/8 then and totally control blur, quantity and quality, in post. :)
-Dave-
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Just shoot everything at f/8 then and totally control blur, quantity and quality, in post. :)
-Dave-
Awww, you're so old school, Dave. The youngsters like to get it right at shoot time :)
:)
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Having used the new Nikkor 58mm F/1.4 and new Sigma Art 50mm f/1.4 on consecutive "full open" portrait assignments I have to say that while the Nikkor has nice and "personal" bokeh the corners are quite unsharp and distorted. Sigma on the other hand (I suppose Otus is the same) is razor sharp all across the frame.
Yes, the Otus is the same. But, although I own and love the Otus, I find the 58mm f1.4 to render more nicely, specially for subjects at mid distance.
Cheers,
Bernard
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Me, I need the CS in my S 70 mm and 120 mm lenses. I do a lot of really close up stuff handheld with flash and being able to shoot at 1/1000 for me makes all the difference between tack sharp and unusable blurry photos. I figure since the S system gives me all this resolution, I might just as well use it :-)
The Leica SF58 on the S2 can sync with an FP shutter at any shutter speed up to 1/4000. Just sayin'.
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A mere $80 per mm:
http://leicastoremiami.com/collections/s-system-lenses/products/leica-summicron-s-100mm-f-2-asph
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The Leica SF58 on the S2 can sync with an FP shutter at any shutter speed up to 1/4000. Just sayin'.
Thanks, I know. Of course the light output of a flash in HSS-mode is a lot less.
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$100 per mm? Almost, not quite. 6500 Euro list.
Tech data here:
http://www.photoscala.de/Artikel/Leica-Summicron-S-2100-mm-ASPH
Edmund
F/2 100mm APO lens for medium format? It's cheap!
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As most things Leica the 100mm f2 is priced as a luxury item but it should be a stunning lens. Can't wait to see some images made using it. (and possibly along with the new 50mp Leica S). Those who have held and used the Leica S (and S2) know that is is probably the best DSLR ever made in regards to build quality and feel in-hand, in use. The viewfinder is just superb and coupled with the split screen focusing screen it is without a doubt the best DSLR for manual focusing.
Yes I know, it is not a good value, it's overpriced, the D800/E/810 with the Otus (or 50 or 85mm prime) can produce similar results for many thousands less etc etc but the Leica is an object of desire no doubt and price:performance ratio is not the only factor in choosing a camera for a lot of photographers if it were we all probably would be using the same gear.
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And here are the first sample images:
http://en.leica-camera.com/Photography/Leica-S/Leica-S-Lenses/Summicron-S-1-2,0-100-mm-ASPH/Images
Looking at the portraits in the garage and the background buildings in the fashionshoot-like photos of the young couple, it seems this lens has very, very nice bokeh indeed. Very soft and quiet. Take a look at the OOF area in the collar in the close-up in the garage. The jewellery could easily get rather harsh, not here. The highlights of the fluorescent lights in the garage are also handled very well, IMHO.
The black & white landscapes are nice, but perhaps the clarity slider was cranked up a bit too much for my taste, rather grainy in the skies ...
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And here are the first sample images:
http://en.leica-camera.com/Photography/Leica-S/Leica-S-Lenses/Summicron-S-1-2,0-100-mm-ASPH/Images
Looking at the portraits in the garage and the background buildings in the fashionshoot-like photos of the young couple, it seems this lens has very, very nice bokeh indeed. Very soft and quiet. Take a look at the OOF area in the collar in the close-up in the garage. The jewellery could easily get rather harsh, not here. The highlights of the fluorescent lights in the garage are also handled very well, IMHO.
The black & white landscapes are nice, but perhaps the clarity slider was cranked up a bit too much for my taste, rather grainy in the skies ...
Wow, the Paolo Esposito shots look stunning. The lens seems perfect for fashion. The lighting is very nice, looks like what you would get with large HMi (or tungsten) Fresnels (Arri) so he probably used those, helps a lot in getting that awesome "crispness" in the image but the bokeh quality is there and that you can't replicate, it's the optics!
Leica should take down the B&W landscape samples. They don't help showcase the lens at all. The lifestyle images are ok, well produced / styled but again this lens is about the bokeh! :D
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Wow, the Paolo Esposito shots look stunning. The lens seems perfect for fashion. The lighting is very nice, looks like what you would get with large HMi (or tungsten) Fresnels (Arri) so he probably used those, helps a lot in getting that awesome "crispness" in the image but the bokeh quality is there and that you can't replicate, it's the optics!
Leica should take down the B&W landscape samples. They don't help showcase the lens at all. The lifestyle images are ok, well produced / styled but again this lens is about the bokeh! :D
The skin colors/textures on these pix are horrible. Blue is for martians. I'm all for creativity, but not on sample pages.
But of course there is an explanation - the camera used might have been the new CMOS S.
The landscape samples are out of this world. If I were a landscape guy I would be running, not walking to the shop. But does landscape really need a fast lens? Would I get this clarity if it were I, me, moi, behind the camera?
Edmund