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Title: Is there a better control for LR than a Mouse / keyboard? Shuttle Pro?
Post by: One Frame at a Time on June 02, 2014, 11:12:29 am
Hi,  I am looking for a better way to control LR.  I have a Shuttle Pro v.2 on hand from a long ago video project.  Wondering if anyone is using that; and could give some feedback?  I've seen a link to a Mac version of key mapping for the device (i'm pc) but it does not look all that helpful from a quick look.  My hope is to find a smooth and easy way to move the sliders without a mouse.
Thanks for any input.

Paul
Title: Re: Is there a better control for LR than a Mouse / keyboard? Shuttle Pro?
Post by: KeithR on June 02, 2014, 06:21:34 pm
I haven't used a mouse for over 15 years! Instead I use a trackball and for editing purposes, a Wacom tablet.
Title: Re: Is there a better control for LR than a Mouse / keyboard? Shuttle Pro?
Post by: JimAscher on June 03, 2014, 12:07:38 pm
I haven't used a mouse for over 15 years! Instead I use a trackball and for editing purposes, a Wacom tablet.

Same here.
Title: Re: Is there a better control for LR than a Mouse / keyboard? Shuttle Pro?
Post by: OnyimBob on June 03, 2014, 05:38:09 pm
Might I ask which tablet?
Bob.
Title: Re: Is there a better control for LR than a Mouse / keyboard? Shuttle Pro?
Post by: JimAscher on June 03, 2014, 06:34:48 pm
Might I ask which tablet?
Bob.

An older model, the Bamboo (CTH-460).
Title: Re: Is there a better control for LR than a Mouse / keyboard? Shuttle Pro?
Post by: KeithR on June 03, 2014, 06:36:33 pm
Might I ask which tablet?
Bob.
I have the Intuos3  6"x11"
Title: Re: Is there a better control for LR than a Mouse / keyboard? Shuttle Pro?
Post by: Rand47 on June 03, 2014, 08:43:21 pm
Might I ask which tablet?
Bob.

Intuous 5 Touch  "medium."  The large size is "too large" IMO, for photo editing.

I'm still about 80% mouse, 20% tablet for finer editing control when needed.

Rand
Title: Re: Is there a better control for LR than a Mouse / keyboard? Shuttle Pro?
Post by: Ken Bennett on June 04, 2014, 10:05:01 am
Might I ask which tablet?
Bob.

I have the big Intuos III also. I like the size. I do turn off all the buttons because I kept hitting them accidentally, so I use the tablet in conjunction with the keyboard and a mouse -- the keyboard for keystroke commands to choose tools, change brush sizes, etc., in LR and PS.

I did try a Bamboo at home but the tip is totally different and I couldn't stand it.
Title: Re: Is there a better control for LR than a Mouse / keyboard? Shuttle Pro?
Post by: Christopher Sanderson on June 04, 2014, 12:32:46 pm
If you like using Apple's TouchPad with gestures, The Touch (http://www.arcticwhiteness.com/thetouch/the-touch-for-lightroom/) looks very cool.

I have tried it with Final Cut and it works very well.
Title: Re: Is there a better control for LR than a Mouse / keyboard? Shuttle Pro?
Post by: mhospelt on June 04, 2014, 01:57:15 pm
Use the Wacom Intuous 4. Great tablet and you can get them cheap on Ebay. But for 60% of my editing  I use still my Logitech Mouse.
Title: Re: Is there a better control for LR than a Mouse / keyboard? Shuttle Pro?
Post by: One Frame at a Time on June 05, 2014, 02:22:34 pm
I think what bothers me most is holding down the mouse button when moving the sliders back an forth. During a long session it becomes tiresome and tedious.  Is there a way to use the keyboard arrows so the adjustment moves one increment at a time, instead of jumping 5 at a time?
Title: Re: Is there a better control for LR than a Mouse / keyboard? Shuttle Pro?
Post by: Misirlou on June 05, 2014, 06:56:35 pm
I think what bothers me most is holding down the mouse button when moving the sliders back an forth. During a long session it becomes tiresome and tedious.  Is there a way to use the keyboard arrows so the adjustment moves one increment at a time, instead of jumping 5 at a time?

Yes. Click on the number displayed for the slider's current value, just under the right end of the slider. You can either type a number in directly, or use the up and down arrow keys to adjust by value per press.
Title: Re: Is there a better control for LR than a Mouse / keyboard? Shuttle Pro?
Post by: One Frame at a Time on June 06, 2014, 12:42:53 am
Terrific! Thanks!  I knew you could enter a value but that doesn't work too well if your trying to close in on an end point.  The up down should help my cramping hand :-)
Title: Re: Is there a better control for LR than a Mouse / keyboard? Shuttle Pro?
Post by: Misirlou on June 06, 2014, 12:16:09 pm
Terrific! Thanks!  I knew you could enter a value but that doesn't work too well if your trying to close in on an end point.  The up down should help my cramping hand :-)

What I'd really like is if the scroll wheel on my trackball would do that.
Title: Re: Is there a better control for LR than a Mouse / keyboard? Shuttle Pro?
Post by: Rand47 on June 06, 2014, 12:26:48 pm
What I'd really like is if the scroll wheel on my trackball would do that.

On my mouse w/ scroll wheel, if I left-click and "hold" on the slider handle, the scroll wheel will then move the slider. 

Rand
Title: Re: Is there a better control for LR than a Mouse / keyboard? Shuttle Pro?
Post by: Misirlou on June 06, 2014, 02:36:42 pm
On my mouse w/ scroll wheel, if I left-click and "hold" on the slider handle, the scroll wheel will then move the slider. 

Rand

I got that to work too. Very useful.
Title: Re: Is there a better control for LR than a Mouse / keyboard? Shuttle Pro?
Post by: luxborealis on June 06, 2014, 08:57:56 pm
Hi,  I am looking for a better way to control LR.  I have a Shuttle Pro v.2 on hand from a long ago video project.  Wondering if anyone is using that; and could give some feedback?  I've seen a link to a Mac version of key mapping for the device (i'm pc) but it does not look all that helpful from a quick look.  My hope is to find a smooth and easy way to move the sliders without a mouse.
Thanks for any input.

Paul

I'm using my MacBook Pro's touch pad with the right hand and the keyboard with the left - it plays just like a piano.

One thing I stopped using almost right away were the LR sliders. While they may be helpful for gross adjustments, I now skip them in favour of the cursor (and Shift+cursor) keys as I can fine tune results much more easily. I use tab (and Shift+tab) to move back and forth through the fields as needed.
Title: Re: Is there a better control for LR than a Mouse / keyboard? Shuttle Pro?
Post by: Roberto Frieri on June 07, 2014, 05:29:40 am
Not with LR, but with Capture One, I use an Intuos 5 Pro Small. Sometimes it's very very useful.
Title: Re: Is there a better control for LR than a Mouse / keyboard? Shuttle Pro?
Post by: Rhossydd on June 08, 2014, 04:13:23 am
 I have a Shuttle Pro v.2 on hand from a long ago video project.  Wondering if anyone is using that; and could give some feedback?
To address this original question; Yes, I've used a Shuttle with Lightroom.
I found it most useful in the library module. It took a while to set up a custom set of commands, but then it made some tasks much easier. However I didn't really find it any use in the Develop module. After a few months I gave up with it, it was only really of any use when importing large numbers of images and I don't do that too often.
The shuttles are designed for video work and excel at that as it needs a different set of interactions with the UI. Lightroom just doesn't much benefit from that hardware.

Despite having a graphics tablet and shuttle available, I still find working with the mouse fastest.
Title: Re: Is there a better control for LR than a Mouse / keyboard? Shuttle Pro?
Post by: Ellis Vener on June 08, 2014, 02:38:35 pm
This is ridiculously expensive but it does work very well once you have trained yourself to use it: http://www.rpgkeys.com/

Personally I use a standard keyboard, a mouse and a Wacom Intous 5.

Title: Re: Is there a better control for LR than a Mouse / keyboard? Shuttle Pro?
Post by: One Frame at a Time on June 09, 2014, 06:59:12 pm
"That doesn't seem too expressive" - said no one ever.  That's crazy.

On another note, it seems the arrow keys move the slides in 5 unit increments.  :-(  Is there some way to change this?
Title: Re: Is there a better control for LR than a Mouse / keyboard? Shuttle Pro?
Post by: Ellis Vener on June 09, 2014, 08:16:44 pm


On another note, it seems the arrow keys move the slides in 5 unit increments.  :-(  Is there some way to change this?

Good question! I found this http://laurashoe.com/2012/07/01/lightroom-quick-tip-slow-down-and-get-control-over-those-sliders/

Haven't tried any of these techniques however. I just do it manually.
Title: Re: Is there a better control for LR than a Mouse / keyboard? Shuttle Pro?
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on June 10, 2014, 01:59:01 am
This is ridiculously expensive but it does work very well once you have trained yourself to use it: http://www.rpgkeys.com/

I have a Logitech G510 keyboard with 18 x3 programmable marco keys. Is that what that RPG keyboard does? The video wasted minutes of time explaining why I need to have one, and none on how it works or what it does.
Also I use a Logitech G500 mouse. It allows you to add weights and has just about unlimited dpi settings with shortcuts to make the mouse more accurate so you can select those jumpy sliders.
Title: Re: Is there a better control for LR than a Mouse / keyboard? Shuttle Pro?
Post by: AFairley on June 10, 2014, 11:55:48 am
I haven't used a mouse for over 15 years! Instead I use a trackball and for editing purposes, a Wacom tablet.
Same here, but really only use the tablet when I need really accurate selections (PS) or precise edge painting for masks.
Title: Re: Is there a better control for LR than a Mouse / keyboard? Shuttle Pro?
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on June 11, 2014, 12:15:55 am
I used to use the Kensington Trackball Expert, which I loved, but the mouse is faster, more accurate to the type of detail edits I do... I used to go back and forth until I dueled it out.
Tablet I use the Bamboo Fun for some fine-line transitional blend work.
Title: Re: Is there a better control for LR than a Mouse / keyboard? Shuttle Pro?
Post by: One Frame at a Time on June 11, 2014, 10:48:17 am
Turns out you can toggle the up down arrow keys to go in single unit increments - if you first click on the digits showing the sliders settings.  This is better (for me at least) than holding the mouse button down and dragging.  It also gives me some hope that I can make my Shuttle a usable tool in my editing.  Thanks to everyone that contributed!

Paul