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The Art of Photography => Discussing Photographic Styles => Topic started by: duncanbourne on July 25, 2013, 01:29:05 AM

Title: Clichès
Post by: duncanbourne on July 25, 2013, 01:29:05 AM
Apropos of an old topic about clichès, I saw these images, an example of how sometimes you can meet them head on for the very reason that they are clichès -

http://johnpfahl.com/pages/newpermutationspages/17villacipressi.html

Duncan
Australia
Title: Re: Clichès
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on July 25, 2013, 09:36:37 AM
And many clichès have become clichès because they are worth a second or third look.

Title: Re: Clichès
Post by: Isaac on July 25, 2013, 03:48:47 PM
Not so much clichè as the explicit recreation (http://johnpfahl.com/pages/extras/ArtStatement.html#permutations) of an 18th century style.
Title: Re: Clichès
Post by: Iluvmycam on August 17, 2013, 04:30:26 PM
Cliche or not...just shoot it. Don't quit before you start.
Title: Re: Clichès
Post by: kikashi on August 18, 2013, 03:48:06 AM
At the risk of growing further into my GOM1 cliché, let's get the accent right  ;)

Jeremy

1Grumpy Old Man
Title: Re: Clichès
Post by: stamper on August 18, 2013, 05:02:43 AM
Jeremy why don't you go onto a forum - if one exists- for punctuation and grammar and complain about the fact the members can't take good photographs? ;D
Title: Re: Clichès
Post by: Rob C on August 18, 2013, 12:01:54 PM
At the risk of growing further into my GOM1 cliché, let's get the accent right  ;)

Jeremy

1Grumpy Old Man


Why would you want to have the source dry up? I can exist for hours on such excitement - almost has the kick of a straight Coke! It's getting progressively difficult for us GOMs to find nourishment in this sterile world of digitally corrected spelling!

Gosh, there used to be a place for experts in the world, but even we they have suffered at the hands of Wiki which renders the terminally dull into virtual reality savants of the first degree. Nimble fingers, and who needs Oxbridge? But, the downside: remove the plug or the battery and nemesis comes to say Hi!

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Clichès
Post by: kikashi on August 18, 2013, 01:19:18 PM
Jeremy why don't you go onto a forum - if one exists- for punctuation and grammar and complain about the fact the members can't take good photographs? ;D

What makes you think I don't?

Jeremy
Title: Re: Clichès
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on August 18, 2013, 02:41:24 PM
At the risk of growing further into my GOM1 cliché, let's get the accent right  ;)

Jeremy

1Grumpy Old Man
Thank you, Jeremy.
I am properly embarrassed.   :-[

I confess I copied-and-pasted from the OP's text in order to get an accent at all. I should have grabbed an "é" from Wordperfect.
That was an acute error, and I feel your pain grave-ly.

Eric
Title: Re: Clichès
Post by: Rob C on August 18, 2013, 03:04:06 PM
Thank you, Jeremy.
I am properly embarrassed.   :-[

I confess I copied-and-pasted from the OP's text in order to get an accent at all. I should have grabbed an "é" from Wordperfect.
That was an acute error, and I feel your pain grave-ly.

Eric



Eric, serious question: don't US keyboards - or British, for that matter - have accents available? I've only had experience of the Spanish ones (currently) that allow for many, and an ancient UK laptop whose configuration I don't remember anymore. The very first one I had was a cast-off Mac, but it didn't do Internet.

With this one - an acer - I can't find the sign for UK pounds (currency) although the almighty dollar is available, and when I get into Photohop, try to use the T tool there for captions, many normal signs vanish or turn up in unexpected locations.

So clever, but so limited, too, these modern tools.

I wonder why this apparently simple demand is so neglected - can't be because they can't do it!

Rob C
Title: Re: Clichès
Post by: RSL on August 18, 2013, 04:45:15 PM
Rob, I don't know about keyboards in Britain, but here in the U.S. we use Windows alt codes for accented vowels: You can see a list of them at http://symbolcodes.tlt.psu.edu/accents/codealt.html. To use one of them you hold down the Alt key and type the number on the numeric pad. For instance, to get "é" I held down the Alt key and typed 0233.
Title: Re: Clichès
Post by: kikashi on August 18, 2013, 04:49:16 PM
Rob, I don't know about keyboards in Britain, but here in the U.S. we use Windows alt codes for accented vowels: You can see a list of them at http://symbolcodes.tlt.psu.edu/accents/codealt.html. To use one of them you hold down the Alt key and type the number on the numeric pad. For instance, to get "é" I held down the Alt key and typed 0233.

Ugh!

On a Mac, there are two ways of getting accented characters (apart from a few, such as ç (option-c), which can be typed directly). Either type option-accent, then the character to be accented (so option-i for a circumflex, option-e for an acute accent, etc); or, since Lion (I think) press and hold the key until a pop-up menu appears, then click or type the number underneath the character.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Clichès
Post by: kikashi on August 18, 2013, 04:49:57 PM
Thank you, Jeremy.
I am properly embarrassed.   :-[

I confess I copied-and-pasted from the OP's text in order to get an accent at all. I should have grabbed an "é" from Wordperfect.
That was an acute error, and I feel your pain grave-ly.

Amends made  :D

Jeremy
Title: Re: Clichès
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on August 18, 2013, 06:34:53 PM
I used to use the Alt-codes back in MSDOS days, but I don't keep a list of the codes right by my computer. When I do need them, WordPerfect has a nice table built in that is easy to access, and I can get whatever I need that way when I'm not being too lazy.

Anyway, with the table that Russ provided a link to I can now reproduce every cliché in the book (but never a clichè or a cliché). And I can even translate my last name into the more modern Norwegian spelling: Myrvågnes (although the name dates from before å was introduced to the Norwegian alphabet, so the use of it is somewhat of a Þ ("Thorn") in my side.

Eric M.
Title: Re: Clichès
Post by: stamper on August 19, 2013, 03:27:21 AM
Gom.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gom

Which definition do I pick out of that lot to describe the last few posts? I can't believe that I am posting with respect to the last few posts. A comma above an e has become a subject for debate. Senility has finally set in. ::)
Title: Re: Clichès
Post by: Rob C on August 19, 2013, 04:07:14 AM
Thank you, Russ; I've copìed out the ones that I would sometimes wish to use.

Writing to the bank is a pest when one can't write £'s; it's also handy to be able to wrrite 38° when the temperature demands!

Thank you again for my new-found computer literacy! Now, if I could but educate my two typing fingers...

;-)

Rob C


P.S. And thanks Duncan; you see how broadly useful LuLa turns out to be?
Title: Re: Clichès
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on August 19, 2013, 12:52:11 PM
Gom.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gom

Which definition do I pick out of that lot to describe the last few posts? I can't believe that I am posting with respect to the last few posts. A comma above an e has become a subject for debate. Senility has finally set in. ::)
It's a tossup between #7 and #9, in My Exalted Opinion.

But Stamper: You're not old enough to be as senile as Rob or Russ or me.
Title: Re: Clichès
Post by: kikashi on August 19, 2013, 02:23:43 PM
Gom.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gom

Which definition do I pick out of that lot to describe the last few posts? I can't believe that I am posting with respect to the last few posts. A comma above an e has become a subject for debate. Senility has finally set in. ::)

7, of course, as I indicated. And as you well know, it's not a comma: commas go under cs  ;)

Jeremy
Title: Re: Clichès
Post by: kikashi on August 19, 2013, 02:24:27 PM
But Stamper: You're not old enough to be as senile as Rob or Russ or me.

How do you know? Nor am I, for that matter, but I'm working on it.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Clichès
Post by: stamper on August 20, 2013, 03:06:26 AM
7, of course, as I indicated. And as you well know, it's not a comma: commas go under cs  ;)

Jeremy

Jeremy you may be good at punctuation ...but less so at recognising sarcasm. ;D
Title: Re: Clichès
Post by: LoisWakeman on August 20, 2013, 06:45:01 AM
Eric, serious question: don't US keyboards - or British, for that matter - have accents available?
No - but Windows has a handy little tool called Character Map that you can use to choose accented and special characters - I keep it in my start menu for quick access from any application. I don't know if it's still in Windows 8 though.
Title: Re: Clichès
Post by: Rob C on August 20, 2013, 09:30:10 AM
No - but Windows has a handy little tool called Character Map that you can use to choose accented and special characters - I keep it in my start menu for quick access from any application. I don't know if it's still in Windows 8 though.


Thank you, Lois, that's an alternative well worth knowing.

What have you been doing these days - keeping the faith or just driftin' on the breezes? It's been so hot, humid and generally unpleasant here this month that I have no energy left at all; takes me all my strength just to tickle the keyboard on and off.

Well, in a few weeks it will be over and another season come along to replace the current. Then, mid-winter, I'll wonder how mad I was to wish summer away.

Cookies, crumbles.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Clichès
Post by: LoisWakeman on August 20, 2013, 10:15:38 AM
Hi Rob - hope you find it useful.

I am enjoying nice summer weather intermittently - but too much work at the desk and not nearly enough time outside with my camera! So it goes - but I still have my health and family, and count my blessings, especially after having to attend a funeral for a good friend's son, which sort of puts things into perspective.
Take care,
L
Title: Re: Clichès
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on August 20, 2013, 01:47:10 PM
Thanks for that, Lois!

I never knew about the handy little Character Map tool. It works much better (and faster) than my WordPerfect work-around.

Now I can decorate all sorts of things mercilessly, such as my own name:  Éric Mÿŗvåģʼnêš

Title: Re: Clichès
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on August 20, 2013, 02:00:46 PM
Éät yöúr hęårt øūt, Windoze slaves!

All I have to do on Mac is to hold a letter a bit longer and I get à la cart menu like the one below, to either mouse-click on the desired version or type its number.

 ;D
Title: Re: Clichès
Post by: louoates on August 20, 2013, 06:33:25 PM
Thäńks Slø, Į never knew that about my mac. Another way to waste time playing.
Title: Re: Clichès
Post by: RSL on August 20, 2013, 07:08:33 PM
No - but Windows has a handy little tool called Character Map that you can use to choose accented and special characters - I keep it in my start menu for quick access from any application. I don't know if it's still in Windows 8 though.

Thanks from me too, Lois. I'd forgotten all about that thing. Got a shortcut on my desktop now.
Title: Re: Clichès
Post by: kikashi on August 21, 2013, 03:50:51 AM
Thäńks Slø, Į never knew that about my mac. Another way to waste time playing.

Really? You mean you didn't read my post (#11 on this thread)? I'm deeply hurt and you could have had 24 hours' more knowledge.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Clichès
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on August 21, 2013, 09:36:22 AM
Sorry, Jeremy, a picture speaks thousand words
Really? You mean you didn't read my post...

Sorry, Jeremy, but a picture speaks thousand words ;D
Title: Re: Clichès
Post by: Dale Villeponteaux on September 05, 2013, 05:06:34 AM
I used to use the Alt-codes back in MSDOS days, but I don't keep a list of the codes right by my computer. When I do need them, WordPerfect has a nice table built in that is easy to access, and I can get whatever I need that way when I'm not being too lazy.

Anyway, with the table that Russ provided a link to I can now reproduce every cliché in the book (but never a clichè or a cliché). And I can even translate my last name into the more modern Norwegian spelling: Myrvågnes (although the name dates from before å was introduced to the Norwegian alphabet, so the use of it is somewhat of a Þ ("Thorn") in my side.

Eric M.

I don't understand.  ƿ do you use Þ?
Title: Re: Clichès
Post by: Iluvmycam on September 12, 2013, 02:22:41 PM
Pretty much everything has been done before. Someone here said war photos are cliché. We don't care...we just keep blasting away!
Title: Re: Clichès
Post by: Rob C on September 12, 2013, 03:48:39 PM
Pretty much everything has been done before. Someone here said war photos are cliché. We don't care...we just keep blasting away!


And nobody's buying? Cool.

Rob C
Title: Re: Clichès
Post by: wmchauncey on December 02, 2013, 08:54:23 AM
I might submit that just because there are clichés doesn't mean that they cannot tug the emotions a little...

(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l383/chauncey43/379U2501-copy-2.jpg) (http://s329.photobucket.com/user/chauncey43/media/379U2501-copy-2.jpg.html)
.
Title: Re: Clichès
Post by: Rob C on December 02, 2013, 10:09:24 AM
I might submit that just because there are clichés doesn't mean that they cannot tug the emotions a little...

(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l383/chauncey43/379U2501-copy-2.jpg) (http://s329.photobucket.com/user/chauncey43/media/379U2501-copy-2.jpg.html)
.




Make you hungry?

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Clichès
Post by: WalterEG on December 02, 2013, 04:03:24 PM
Make you hungry?
;-)
Rob C

Will do you not a scrap of good by way of a banquet unless it is bluye blood coursing through your veuns.

W
Title: Re: Clichès
Post by: Rob C on December 03, 2013, 03:52:45 AM
Will do you not a scrap of good by way of a banquet unless it is bluye blood coursing through your veuns.

W


Foiled again, then: all that courses through mine is a heady mix of aspirin and beta-blocker, along with a milder blend of statin and gut protector.

All in all, Christmas cheer holds little promise. But at least that means I don't have to buy it, proving yet again that some clouds do indeed have linings of silver. Unlike, of course, my stomach. And there I rest my case before it gets too heavy.

;-(

Rob C