Just a quick plug for tomorrows Webinar on Transitioning to Capture One from other applications.
When I looked a few months ago, Capture One's handling of DNGs was second rate. If Phase want to encourage migration from Adobe, they should be handling DNGs in the same way as proprietary raw files.
David,
Are the webinars being recorded and archived? They are at times I cannot attend. Also will the catalog import tool be available for windows anytime soon? I see it is listed as mac and beta only at this moment.
Will the videos be posted on your youtube channel?
Alan
When I looked a few months ago, Capture One's handling of DNGs was second rate. If Phase want to encourage migration from Adobe, they should be handling DNGs in the same way as proprietary raw files.
And that's exactly what you should be changing.
David,
I'm in the last days of C1 trial now. I have a large collection of Nikon D100 files from years past. That camera did not have a rotation sensor. So, my verticals are coming in horizontal. I managed to get a full page thumb view similar to Grid in LR. But, if I shift click a range of images in the thumbs and use the "rotate" command in C1, only the first image of the selection is rotated. Surely one doesn't have to rotate images one-at-a-time in C1. What am I doing wrong?
Also, does C1 offer live view with Nikon D700 and D800E? How about focus mask with LV? That would be great. (I know I could try this but I haven't gotten to it yet.) ::)
David,
I'm in the last days of C1 trial now. I have a large collection of Nikon D100 files from years past. That camera did not have a rotation sensor. So, my verticals are coming in horizontal. I managed to get a full page thumb view similar to Grid in LR. But, if I shift click a range of images in the thumbs and use the "rotate" command in C1, only the first image of the selection is rotated. Surely one doesn't have to rotate images one-at-a-time in C1. What am I doing wrong?
Also, does C1 offer live view with Nikon D700 and D800E? How about focus mask with LV? That would be great. (I know I could try this but I haven't gotten to it yet.) ::)
Hi,
From what I have seem from focus masking I am highly skeptical. At least on Sony it is a POS and it does not impress me on C1 either. If you want something that actually works you need to look at live view manual focus at actual pixels.
Best regards
Erik
If the camera produces a native DNG file then we can treat it as a proprietary RAW file. If it has been converted from the native RAW file to a DNG then it is likely you will have a better experience in Capture One with the proprietary RAW file.
For many reasons, I would stick with the manufacturers RAW file.
Pardon my bluntness, but you really don't get it. If you hope that users of a software from a dominant competitor will switch to your software, you really do not maximize your chances if you don't make sure their legacy will transition as well as possible.
For many users, sticking with manufacturers RAW files is only an option for future files, not for existing DNG files.
So, tu summarize, to get customers to switch from LR to C1, you need:
- C1 offering significantly better experience/results/value
- C1 to treat existing files well with no questions asked
To me, C1 fails both tests at the moment.
Being a long time LR user (I have been using it since the first Beta 3, the first version you run on Widows), I am obviously biased.
But I have some clear reservations.
One is that the user interface seems to have a lot of perks.
Why cannot I see the image I just imported?
Why does it set some odd light balance? I am right now shooting a P45+, but my images default to something sane in Lightroom. Some new feature in 7.1.3, I think it worked better before?
Just an example, I import my P45+ image into Lightroom and it uses 6050 K Tint +18. Image looks good.C1 it defaults to 4284K and 1.6. It says "shot" which I assume it means it is using white balance from the P45.
Klicking on shot it changes to 5797 -2.6. Grass is yellowish.
If I double klick on "tint" it also changes "Kelvin".
Explain, how did you import, and where are you looking (thumbnails in the filmstrip?)
Yes, importing a directory and looking at the thumbnails in the filmstrip.
Odd light balance?
Yes, I expect the browser to respect light balance in raw file.
Seems normal, unless you have another preset selected in e.g. a default style.
I use defaults as far as I know.
Apparently you shot it with a White Balance that was not optimal for that image. Or did you shoot it with a completely different Kelvin? Or do you think that the Kelvin value will be identical with LR (it won't, different color engine, CCT is not a unique value)?
Auto white balance on P45+ back. Works fine with LR
Double click on tint? Why? Or are you selecting the slider, or the text box? On my system, selecting the tint doesn't change the Kelvin, unless I accidentally scroll my mouse wheel while hovering the mouse pointer over that slider.
Yes, Lightroom resets sliders to default on double klick. I thought C1 might do that too. It seems to reset both color temperature and tint.
I noted that it chooses Phase One P45+ Flash as standard profile but it seems identical to outdoor profile. Yields exactly the same average Delta E.
I also noted that it defaults to Film Standard, and I usually set it to "linear", but I feel defaults need to give a workable baseline.
I enclose default import on LR4 and C1 for one of the images I work with.
Perhaps you note that there is a clipping indication on the flagpole? If I reduce exposure it's still stays on. RawDigger says no clipping, even if I actually there is some, visible with log Y-axis.
I did say "what" rather than "why". ;) If only to remove an obstacle to switching, I'd argue that if C1 detects that a DNG has been made from a supported camera, then it should treat its raw data exactly as if it came directly from a proprietary raw file. FWIW, that's how Aperture behaves.that is because Adobe designed DNG standards to suit its own internal processing (raw processing pipeline in ACR/LR) in the first place... not vice versa.
that is because Adobe designed DNG standards to suit its own internal processing (raw processing pipeline in ACR/LR) in the first place... not vice versa.
Bart,
Thanks for comments. See responses below.
Odd light balance?
Yes, I expect the browser to respect light balance in raw file.
Double click on tint? Why? Or are you selecting the slider, or the text box?Yes, Lightroom resets sliders to default on double klick. I thought C1 might do that too. It seems to reset both color temperature and tint.
On my system, selecting the tint doesn't change the Kelvin, unless I accidentally
scroll my mouse wheel while hovering the mouse pointer over that slider.
I noted that it chooses Phase One P45+ Flash as standard profile but it seems identical to outdoor profile. Yields exactly the same average Delta E.
I also noted that it defaults to Film Standard, and I usually set it to "linear", but I feel defaults need to give a workable baseline.
Perhaps you note that there is a clipping indication on the flagpole?
If I reduce exposure it's still stays on.
RawDigger says no clipping, even if I actually there is some, visible with log Y-axis.
that is because Adobe designed DNG standards to suit its own internal processing (raw processing pipeline in ACR/LR) in the first place... not vice versa.Irrelevant. Aperture reads them just fine.
Erik,
I'll address them below, but I suggest you also add an item to your tool tabs menu:
Select View>Add Tool tab>Quick. That will allow you to quickly get the most relevant settings in view, and the settings in the ball park (see attachment).
Well, LR doesn't do that either really, it compresses highlights and uses an under-the-hood exposure multiplier which is different for each camera model, and converts to an output referred colorspace, to name a few. C1 on the other hand doesn't do much of that, so it pretty much displays as shot, which may be quite different from what you thought but, by not hiding it for the user, that does offer an opportunity to change your shooting style to get a better starting point, if necessary.
As you can see on my attached Quick menu tab, I start with selecting my default style for the camera at hand. I don't remember, but you may need to add that selection yourself. C1 has user adjustable menus for whatever works best for you.
Some cameras allow a choice between several profiles.
I then make sure the Linear Response Curve is selected, and if necessary upgrade to the latest Raw conversion engine.
Next you can select the colorbalance, either from a preset, or from clicking with the eyedropper tool. Don't for get to reset your mouse pointer to the hand tool or one of the others, to avoid accidentally changing the color balance when you later click in the image again.
The White Balance tab has its own reset button at the top of the tab, but you can also temporarily switch the settings off/on by first holding the [Alt] key on Windows, or I suppose the [Option] key on Mac, it is different from LR so do not try to use that functionality but learn how it works in C1 before blaming it for strange behavior.
As I indicated before, you can set your own default(s) for Film vs Linear curve, and many other settings if you prefer that. That includes Contrast/Brightness/Color settings and many others, like Noise reduction and Clarity and Curves, you name it. All will be set to your preference(s) when you select that(those) saved Style(s).
When you find that you repeatedly need the same approximate adjustments or style settings, save them as a personal default.
Capture One assumes the photographer knows how to expose his/her shots, so only an output clipping indication is available. Capture one does allow to set your personal definition of that (output) clipping (after all corrections, like White Balance, exposure corrections, sharpening, etc.) to avoid issues e.g. when printing. You, as a user have full control and can set that output clipping indicator level in the preferences. You also need to set your View>Proof Profile setting for a reliable output preview.
Hope that gets you going in the right direction.
Cheers,
Bart
Hi,
Can you be a bit more specific?
What are the differences between say Phase One IIQ and DNG formats, what is the advantage of CR2 over DNG?
So I can extract the original files any time.there was a failure in emergency dispatch system in Detroit on Friday... it turned out that backup system did not work either... I 'd keep original raw files as far away from any wrappers be it from Adobe or P1 as possible