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The Art of Photography => User Critiques => Topic started by: -Tom- on June 09, 2013, 11:52:02 am
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(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3677/8996615863_49d5fa51d6_o.jpg)
I can honestly say, after few years of shooting around I'm tired of shooting mere objects, sceneries and similar statics...so few days ago I asked this girl (who I never met before), to sit down and look away as I take a couple of shots of her. I'm happy with the results and I want to do more of these kinds of things. Will have to explain myself to my girl though :D
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It's an interesting shot; you should continue along the way and see where it leads you.
Rob C
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It's an interesting shot; you should continue along the way and see where it leads you.
I will. I took the shot probably because few hours earlier I've listened to Michael Diemar's lecture about history of photography market and it was so fascinating and it just made me feel more appreciative of the medium...with all the SD cards I have laying around it's easy to get tired of your own photos, just droning away one shutter click after another...but after the lecture I feel as if I should take shots that have some sense in them, some back story, anything other than a mere "point, zoom, click, move on".
/rant
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A slight less crop .....True black --
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I agree with Jogo. The visible part of the girl's face is too close to the middle of the frame in the first version. Very dramatic. Good shooting, Tom.
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I agree with Jogo. The visible part of the girl's face is too close to the middle of the frame in the first version. Very dramatic. Good shooting, Tom.
I too agree. I'm afraid my deeply-held antipathy to smoking puts me off full admiration, but it's a fine shot.
Jeremy
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But you've gotta admit, Jeremy, that's a pretty cute smoker. Maybe somebody can get her to quit.
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A slight less crop .....True black --
Where did the wisp of smoke come from?
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Magic
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A quote from another post.
"Working with people is entirely something else: you start with a minimum (if you are in luck) of two people standing there, looking at one another. What happens next is what makes you and your model either good or not good. There's nobody else to thank or to blame. You create or you fail. You do not simply erect a tripod, frame what's there and wait for the light to change or not to change before you press the button."
And from another..
"Copying others' work and making 'improvements'. One should always ask first for two main reasons: copyright, if we ignore it here, is devalued everywhere; not to ask first smacks of an unpleasant arrogance."
Just because you're a highly respected member here, should not allow you to disregard your own comments and ignore the fact that Cjogo's image is now no longer even close to original and probably not authorised by the OP. But this is the "User Critiques" forum so anything goes?
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Nice.
I would have positioned the lit edge oh her features on top the darker background in the middle.
Cheers,
Bernard
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Where did the wisp of smoke come from?
Just from the NET... searching ... found that one in a few moments ... dropped it in...
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But you've gotta admit, Jeremy, that's a pretty cute smoker.
Damn right. That makes it worse!
Jeremy
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A quote from another post.
"Working with people is entirely something else: you start with a minimum (if you are in luck) of two people standing there, looking at one another. What happens next is what makes you and your model either good or not good. There's nobody else to thank or to blame. You create or you fail. You do not simply erect a tripod, frame what's there and wait for the light to change or not to change before you press the button."
And from another..
"Copying others' work and making 'improvements'. One should always ask first for two main reasons: copyright, if we ignore it here, is devalued everywhere; not to ask first smacks of an unpleasant arrogance."
Just because you're a highly respected member here, should not allow you to disregard your own comments and ignore the fact that Cjogo's image is now no longer even close to original and probably not authorised by the OP. But this is the "User Critiques" forum so anything goes?
The tea must be ultra strong today, can you please explain what you are telling me here? I honestly don't get the point. I don't remember copying Cjogo's work anywhere...
As to whether being a Critique section authorizes copyright breach is a novel legal perspective to be pondered. I can't find any reference laid down by the founding fathers offering that possibility.
;-)
Rob C
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"Copying others' work and making 'improvements'. One should always ask first for two main reasons: copyright, if we ignore it here, is devalued everywhere; not to ask first smacks of an unpleasant arrogance."
Yikes :: sorry If I offended :'(-- just the teacher in me -- and too difficult to convey the actions that I performed in CS >> in a few paragraphs .. it was mainly going to have to be a visual display. Started with a true black ... and a very slight crop > from the void on the left. I am sure there was more detail, to Toms eyes, on the left >whilst in the camera .. but the detail did not appear on the image.
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I think the crop makes it work better and it is a stronger image. I can see where Tonysx is coming from and technically he is probably right. However it is the accepted norm on the forum for that to happen and most posters accept that it will happen. Perhaps the moderator can step in and decide which is best?
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I think the crop makes it work better and it is a stronger image. I can see where Tonysx is coming from and technically he is probably right. However it is the accepted norm on the forum for that to happen and most posters accept that it will happen. Perhaps the moderator can step in and decide which is best?
"Copying others' work and making 'improvements'. One should always ask first for two main reasons: copyright, if we ignore it here, is devalued everywhere; not to ask first smacks of an unpleasant arrogance."
Actually, stamper, that post was a cut from one of mine; it's the odd manner in which quotations are partly carried through when someone quotes from another quote that makes provenance uncertain. Just like collecting old snaps, then.
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Rob C
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This is lovely, I could stare for hours.
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A quote from another post.
"Copying others' work and making 'improvements'. One should always ask first for two main reasons: copyright, if we ignore it here, is devalued everywhere; not to ask first smacks of an unpleasant arrogance."
Just because you're a highly respected member here, should not allow you to disregard your own comments and ignore the fact that Cjogo's image is now no longer even close to original and probably not authorised by the OP. But this is the "User Critiques" forum so anything goes?
This is incorrect as far as the copyright laws of both the U.S. and Canada are concerned.
Under U.S. copyright law, using someone's image, with appropriate attribution, in the context of a critique is perfectly legal, as outlined in section 107 covering fair use:
"the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright."
LuLa, of course, is based in Canada, and is therefore subject to their laws. Canada doesn't have what we here in the U.S. call "fair use". They operate under a concept called "fair dealing". And while it is more strict than its U.S. counterpart, using copyrighted works in the context of a critique is permitted as long as attribution is clearly stated. This is covered in section 29 of the Canadian Copyright Law:
"s.29.1 Fair dealing for the purpose of criticism or review does not infringe copyright if the following are mentioned:
(a) the source; and
(b) if given in the source, the name of the
(i) author, in the case of a work,
(ii) performer, in the case of a performer’s performance,
(iii) maker, in the case of a sound recording, or
(iv) broadcaster, in the case of a communication signal."
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This is incorrect as far as the copyright laws of both the U.S. and Canada are concerned.
Under U.S. copyright law, using someone's image, with appropriate attribution, in the context of a critique is perfectly legal, as outlined in section 107 covering fair use:
"the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright."
Yada, yada, yada..........Give it a rest with all the legal mumbo jumbo. What Rob is referring to is the common courtesy, ettiquette and respect for the owner of the image.
Some folks don't mind another modifying their photograph to illustrate their comments, others do. Rob is one who does mind and feels that it infringes on his copyright.
Whether he is right or wrong legally does not infringe on his right to believe what he believes.
Please leave the Legal Beagle arguments for the jailhouse or courtroom.
My $.02
Respectfully
Rich
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Yada, yada, yada..........Give it a rest with all the legal mumbo jumbo. What Rob is referring to is the common courtesy, ettiquette and respect for the owner of the image.
Some folks don't mind another modifying their photograph to illustrate their comments, others do. Rob is one who does mind and feels that it infringes on his copyright.
Whether he is right or wrong legally does not infringe on his right to believe what he believes.
Please leave the Legal Beagle arguments for the jailhouse or courtroom.
My $.02
Respectfully
Rich
Copyright is not a feeling or a personal belief and Rob has nothing to worry about. Asking first may be considered a courtesy by some, but this is a critique section--no one is attempting to steal or disrespect someone else's work that has been posted in this forum. We're simply discussing it. And debating alternate approaches to a photograph is a perfectly valid thing to discuss in a setting like this.
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Well this thread took a strong left turn... :D
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Well this thread took a strong left turn... :D
Get used to it Tom....that is what makes it worth coming here!
William
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Tom,
My apologies, sorry for mucking about in your thread. I will try to behave better in the future.
Back to topic, a very good portrait and very lovely subject. Well done.
Rich
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Well this thread took a strong left turn... :D
I usually try to balance things out with a correction to the right, but eventually I just ignore it all and steam right on ahead instead. Icebergs? What icebergs?
When my mother died I inherited her Spanish dictionary. On the inside of the dust jacket she'd written: defiant, flamboyant, triumphant. I'm not given to thinking that accident. More, I think she was passing on a lesson in life.
If only some of our lefty friends had known her and had experienced the example she set; their concepts would have turned out to be so different... oh well, can't win 'em all.
;-)
Rob C
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When my mother died I inherited her Spanish dictionary. On the inside of the dust jacket she'd written: defiant, flamboyant, triumphant. I'm not give to thinking that accident. More, I think she was passing on a lesson in life.
;-)
Rob C
...and I'm guessing that she was also in possession of an oceanic calm....how fortunate that you have the inscription in her hand...I have only the sound of the last raspy whispers in my ears, which she with great labor repeated exactly three times...I never sorted the words, but hear the whisper clearly still...
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...and I'm guessing that she was also in possession of an oceanic calm....how fortunate that you have the inscription in her hand...I have only the sound of the last raspy whispers in my ears, which she with great labor repeated exactly three times...I never sorted the words, but hear the whisper clearly still...
That you would know this... she was the most laid-back person I ever knew; nothing fazed her and what she disliked she simply ignored. That's how she lived until the end - almost. She loved Rome, lived there a while; in retrospect, that's where my wife and I should have gone to live instead of Spain. One doesn't always buy the right ticket at the right time. Unfortunately.
Rob C
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Fantastically timeless – I love it.
What a really good film noire poster this would make. :)
Dave
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I have to disagree with the others about the crop - I like it as it is. I can see why the crop is popular, but it changes the whole balance. For me the space behind makes me think about the girl and where she is, the blackness is her security. When cropped it becomes more about what she is looking at. Neither is right or wrong, just my preference.
A really great picture I think.
Jim
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You know, a simple tag under your name that says: Editing Allowed, Ask First, or No Edits, Please would cure this problem. I have always been of a mind if you post in "USER CRITIQUES," you open yourself up for edits unless otherwise directed.
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You know, a simple tag under your name that says: Editing Allowed, Ask First, or No Edits, Please would cure this problem. I have always been of a mind if you post in "USER CRITIQUES," you open yourself up for edits unless otherwise directed.
Yes, on the face of it, reasonable.
However, critique is one thing but copying and messing with an image is a step rather far beyond.
IMO, and I don't think it's right touching without asking. It's a nice ego trip to take an image and exercise better skills on it, but that's personal ego and glory and eff all to do with the poor mutt being ripped. Verbal advice can be nice (and is usually neutral), but humiliation never. Unless it's your bag, of course, but are we that broad a spectrum here?
;-)
Rob C
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Mea Cupla TOM :-[