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Title: Less than 3 days in the Southwest taking pictures
Post by: ksklo on May 10, 2013, 04:33:34 am
In June I will be going to Las Vegas for a show.  Afterwards I think I can spare a little less than three days taking pictures around the area.  Here is my preliminary plan, and what do you think?

Day 1: Rent a car from Las Vegas and drive straight to Page, Arizona.  Plan on taking sunset pictures at Horseshoe Bend.

Day 2: Attend the Canyon X Photo Tour hosted by Overland Canyon Tours.  Originally I planned on going to the Antelope Canyons, but I read that there is going to be so much traffic inside that it would be nearly impossible to take great photos, especially when the light beams happen in the middle of the day.  Hopefully the experience would be more pleasant and enjoyable if I went to the less crowded Canyon X.  After that, I will drive to Zion and try to catch some sunset shots.  I've never been there, but read that probably the easiest and best location for sunset there would be either the bridge over the Virgin River near the Canyon Junction shuttle stop, or the view south of the Virgin River with the Watchman in the background, which has an iconic view of Zion.  After finishing the sunset shots, I will start driving back to Nevada.

Day 3: Sunrise pictures at the Valley of Fire, and then probably spend as much time as I can there so long as the light remains decent.  I have to be back at the McCarran Airport no later than 5:30pm, so sunset is going to be out of the question.

As my schedule is rather tight, this is probably the best itinerary I can come up with.  I welcome any suggestions or comments from anyone who knows the area well.  And if there are any decent hotels that you can recommend along the way, please let me know.

Since there is going to be some hiking involved with the Canyon X tour, I would like to travel "lighter".  I shoot with a Hasselblad H3D2 50mp, and the only lenses I am planning to bring are the 28mm and 35-90mm.  Do you think I will need a telephoto lens, such as 150mm or 210mm, either for Valley of Fire or Zion?  If so, which would you prefer?

Lastly, I am not sure if I should stay overnight in Springdale and and try to shoot sunrise at Zion the next morning or leave for Valley of Fire after sunset.  It's just going to be a 2 hours drive, so I think I can manage that after sunset, and so the decision really comes down to which location would give me better sunrise photo opportunities?

Look forward to hearing any constructive comments.  Many thanks.

Ken
Title: Re: Less than 3 days in the Southwest taking pictures
Post by: francois on May 10, 2013, 06:28:36 am
Your schedule is very tight indeed but you seem to have good plan so far.

Just a note, for Canyon X (which I recommend), unless it has changed, there's really not much hiking involved. The 4x4 will drop you near the canyon's entrance. The only "hiking" portion is the descent into the canyon and it is moderately steep.
Title: Re: Less than 3 days in the Southwest taking pictures
Post by: ksklo on May 10, 2013, 06:39:50 am
This is even better!  So you would also agree to take the Canyon X over the Upper Antelope Canyon tour?

I think my main focus really is around Page.  The rest of it, a Zion sunset and possibly some Valley of Fire shots would just be bonus.

I am now thinking to add a 150mm mid-telephoto lens now.  Heavier, but hopefully manageable.
Title: Re: Less than 3 days in the Southwest taking pictures
Post by: francois on May 10, 2013, 07:40:14 am
This is even better!  So you would also agree to take the Canyon X over the Upper Antelope Canyon tour?

I think my main focus really is around Page.  The rest of it, a Zion sunset and possibly some Valley of Fire shots would just be bonus.

I am now thinking to add a 150mm mid-telephoto lens now.  Heavier, but hopefully manageable.

Yes, I would go to Canyon X over Upper Antelope (mostly due to the crowd). IIRC, the Canyon X tour is about 6 hours with something like 4 hours in the canyon…

If I had to choose between Upper and Lower Antelope, I would go to Lower Canyon, access isn't as easy (vs Upper) and there's less people.

With more available time, I would go to Canyon X then to Lower Antelope and finally to Upper Antelope.

FYI, the vertical image is the entrance of Lower Antelope and the image with people is the Upper Antelope entrance.
Title: Re: Less than 3 days in the Southwest taking pictures
Post by: ksklo on May 10, 2013, 07:55:04 am
Francois, will the pictures I get from the various canyons significantly different?  In other words, if what I would get coming out of Canyon X is more or less going to be similar to shots taken from Upper or Lower Antelope Canyon, then I don't see a point in visiting all of them, especially when I am on such a tight schedule.

Otherwise, what I can do is spend the rest of Day2's afternoon going to the Lower Antelope Canyon, then start driving back, and probably spend the night near Zion or the Valley of Fire (depending on time) in order to catch some sunrise shots the next morning.
Title: Re: Less than 3 days in the Southwest taking pictures
Post by: francois on May 10, 2013, 08:45:08 am
Francois, will the pictures I get from the various canyons significantly different?  In other words, if what I would get coming out of Canyon X is more or less going to be similar to shots taken from Upper or Lower Antelope Canyon, then I don't see a point in visiting all of them, especially when I am on such a tight schedule.

Otherwise, what I can do is spend the rest of Day2's afternoon going to the Lower Antelope Canyon, then start driving back, and probably spend the night near Zion or the Valley of Fire (depending on time) in order to catch some sunrise shots the next morning.

All the canyons are different. Upper is very deep and can be very dark for example.

You might want to contact Overland Canyon Tours and ask them what they think. Charlie Moore or Jackson Bridges are both photographers and can really give you good advices.
Title: Re: Less than 3 days in the Southwest taking pictures
Post by: NashvilleMike on May 10, 2013, 02:29:08 pm
Of course I'll type the standard sentence of "what, only 3 days?" but of course one does what one has time to do.

My thoughts:

a) Not sure sunset at Horseshoe Bend is of the highest importance; it will all depend on cloud formations there. I actually like the other end of the day for Horseshoe Bend when the sun is behind you.

b) Canyon X is part of water holes. I'd rank Lower Antelope as a higher priority if you can deal with the stair/ladders and climbing. (Lower is not the place to bring your ultra mega 200 lb backpack with 8 bodies, 14 lenses and a sink - it gets tight and narrow down there). Because Lower Antelope takes a little work, it doesn't get the masses of tourists that you'll find at Upper Antelope, which I'd skip. Lower Antelope is ABSOLUTELY a morning canyon - best in the 8am - 10:30am hours of the day, IMO the earlier the better. If you're not there on a weekend, you'll probably find the number of people down there to be manageable - if you have a tripod/DSLR you get a photo pass (36 bucks I believe as of may 1st) and you get 2 hours to wander around. Tour groups will pass by you every 20-30 minutes or so. I've not yet met a single photographer who has done the slots who doesn't really like lower - so if you haven't been, I'd suggest this is your focus, not the others. Alternate: Unless you want to consider secret canyon (which is part of Peach Wash IIRC) done by Hummer Adventure Tours, which is quite expensive and very private. I'd consider that before Canyon X every day. I'd still suggest Lower Antelope over everything else myself though. Again, if you do Lower Antelope, it really needs to be done in the morning.

c) One possibility is that you do sunrise at Horseshoe Bend but don't linger once it gets near 7:15, then drive over to Lower to get to the gate opening around 8am; Horseshoe Bend and Lower aren't that far apart.


d) Consider sunset at Cape Royale at the North Rim of Grand Canyon on your way out (although it's not as direct as Zion), or even poking around the rim rocks early evening at the Paria Rimrocks / Toadstool Hoodoo off 89 (near the Paria contact station) on your way back to I-15.

Oh, and you probably already know this, but HWY 89 south of Page (just south of Horseshoe) is closed due to  landslide. This may not affect your plans but you shold be aware of it. If you're headed to Page from Mccarran airport you'd be doing I-15 to St. George to Fredonia to Kanab to Page most likely anyway.

Title: Re: Less than 3 days in the Southwest taking pictures
Post by: leeonmaui on May 10, 2013, 04:32:23 pm
Aloha,

My 2 cents;

Lower antelope is good early in the morning, but the light gets washed out and its hard to get great color later in the day.
Upper is awesome and dark, most of the day. If you pay for a photographic tour there, the guides will help block the people from walking through your shot.
Telephotos are really useful in the canyons, as there are some great formations above you as well.

If you have never been to Zion its freaking amazing!
You should totally hike the narrows! it will seem crowded fro the first bit but most people turn back pretty quick.

Valley of fire is a very nice place to shoot, but light gets pretty harsh anytime after early morning and until late afternoon.
I hope you have a circular polarizer... 

Title: Re: Less than 3 days in the Southwest taking pictures
Post by: francois on May 11, 2013, 03:46:41 am

Lower Antelope is ABSOLUTELY a morning canyon - best in the 8am - 10:30am hours of the day, IMO the earlier the better
.…

Very true. I found that the light quality goes down quickly. I always went down at the opening of the gates and never was tempted to stay beyond 2 hours (spring and fall seasons, never visited in summer).
Title: Re: Less than 3 days in the Southwest taking pictures
Post by: ksklo on May 11, 2013, 04:46:12 am
Of course I'll type the standard sentence of "what, only 3 days?" but of course one does what one has time to do.

My thoughts:

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d) Consider sunset at Cape Royale at the North Rim of Grand Canyon on your way out (although it's not as direct as Zion), or even poking around the rim rocks early evening at the Paria Rimrocks / Toadstool Hoodoo off 89 (near the Paria contact station) on your way back to I-15.

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I have looked up the map and realized how much more driving will be required to make just another stop at the Cape Royal, North Rim of the Grand Canyon.  I think it's better to stick to my original plan and go through Zion instead.  However, I am now thinking whether I should spend my second night in Spingdale and enjoy part of Day 3, including sunrise of course, in Zion and forget about Valley of Fire.

In terms of slot canyons, I think I will just follow Mike's advice and just do Horseshoe Bend at sunrise, and then go straight to the Lower Antelope Canyon on my own and not take any tours.

This way, I can probably save some time and leave Page right after lunch and head directly to Zion.
Title: Re: Less than 3 days in the Southwest taking pictures
Post by: francois on May 11, 2013, 06:57:56 am
So, Have a nice time there and let us know how it was!

Title: Re: Less than 3 days in the Southwest taking pictures
Post by: framah on May 12, 2013, 03:39:14 pm
Make that Horseshoe Bend BEFORE sunrise!

Get there WAY early so you have all of the light emerging into the morning. The colors are better and smoother. As soon as the sun breaks the horizon, you can pack it up and go over to Lower Antelope.
Title: Re: Less than 3 days in the Southwest taking pictures
Post by: Peter McLennan on May 12, 2013, 03:57:12 pm
I should spend my second night in Spingdale and enjoy part of Day 3, including sunrise of course, in Zion and forget about Valley of Fire.

This way, I can probably save some time and leave Page right after lunch and head directly to Zion.

That sounds better.  You have enough on your plate already.  And once you see what Zion has to offer "up top", east of the tunnel, it's going to be hard for you to leave.  Save Valley of Fire for another trip.
Title: Re: Less than 3 days in the Southwest taking pictures
Post by: ksklo on May 12, 2013, 09:56:50 pm
Make that Horseshoe Bend BEFORE sunrise!

Get there WAY early so you have all of the light emerging into the morning. The colors are better and smoother. As soon as the sun breaks the horizon, you can pack it up and go over to Lower Antelope.

I have spent quite a bit of time researching this upcoming trip this past weekend, and saw a lot of images of Horseshoe Bend.  I think you are absolutely right that it makes little sense once the sun breaks out from the horizon and when it starts to lit up the the subject, it's going to be way too harsh.  Not sure the timing of sunrise in third week of June is going to be, but I think it will just work out perfect for me to pack up and leave for the Lower Antelope.

I also know that I will need an extremely wide-angle lens to cover the sky effectively on the Horseshoe Bend, probably like a 21mm in 135mm format.  Since I shoot medium format, and the widest I can go is 28mm (in 645 format) with a 1.1x crop factor, I might need to stitch to get the best out of this location.
Title: Re: Less than 3 days in the Southwest taking pictures
Post by: ksklo on May 12, 2013, 10:43:55 pm
After doing some more research over the weekend, I have now come up with two different options.  I'd love to hear your comments...

Option 1 (more like the original plan, but with little modifications)

Day 1:  Drive from Las Vegas directly to Page.  Settle in and shoot Horseshoe Bend at sunset.  I know this is not ideal but not sure where else to shoot sunset near Page.
Day 2:  Shoot sunrise at Horseshoe Bend, then head straight to Lower Antelope, spend two hours there, and then pack up and drive over to Zion for sunset photos (maybe Watchman?)
Day 3:  Spend the morning shooting sunrise (Towers of the Virgin?), maybe do some light trails and shoot around, and then leave for the McCarran Airport early afternoon.

Option 2 (thanks to Nashville Mike who suggested North Rim of the Grand Canyon which looks like a more interesting option to me)

Day 1:  Drive from Las Vegas to North Rim, Grand Canyon.  Try to get there early, shoot around from late afternoon to sunset.
Day 2:  Shoot sunrise until light gets harsh, then go back to the hotel and rest.  Start again late afternoon and shoot till sunset.  Then I'll take the 3 hours drive to Page.
Day 3:  Start early and shoot Horseshoe Bend at sunrise, then head out to Lower Antelope.  Take an early lunch and will head back to Vegas.

I kind of like Option 2 better because I was so impressed with some of the Cape Royal images I found on the web.  I noticed that I will have time for 2 sunsets and 1 sunrise, and some possible points of interests are Cape Royal (I think both sunrise and sunset would work here, but sunrise is probably better?), Point Imperial (looks like sunrise is the choice here), and the Bright Angel Point (sunset?).  I know another great location is Toroweap, but I really don't want to risk going there by myself for sunset shots.

Option 2 is going to be very demanding, and I know I am going to be very tired in the second and third days.  But it is what it is...  I just want to squeeze the best out of these three days.
Title: Re: Less than 3 days in the Southwest taking pictures
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on May 13, 2013, 03:40:52 am
After doing some more research over the weekend, I have now come up with two different options.  I'd love to hear your comments...
Option 2 (thanks to Nashville Mike who suggested North Rim of the Grand Canyon which looks like a more interesting option to me)

Day 1:  Drive from Las Vegas to North Rim, Grand Canyon.  Try to get there early, shoot around from late afternoon to sunset.
Day 2:  Shoot sunrise until light gets harsh, then go back to the hotel and rest.  Start again late afternoon and shoot till sunset.  Then I'll take the 3 hours drive to Page.
Day 3:  Start early and shoot Horseshoe Bend at sunrise, then head out to Lower Antelope.  Take an early lunch and will head back to Vegas.

I kind of like Option 2 better because I was so impressed with some of the Cape Royal images I found on the web.  I noticed that I will have time for 2 sunsets and 1 sunrise, and some possible points of interests are Cape Royal (I think both sunrise and sunset would work here, but sunrise is probably better?), Point Imperial (looks like sunrise is the choice here), and the Bright Angel Point (sunset?).  I know another great location is Toroweap, but I really don't want to risk going there by myself for sunset shots.

Option 2 is going to be very demanding, and I know I am going to be very tired in the second and third days.  But it is what it is...  I just want to squeeze the best out of these three days.

Sunrise at Cape Royal was, for me, a magnificent experience: jolly cold, though. I also enjoyed sunset at Bright Angel point, and the lodge at the North Rim is a pleasant place to stay.

If you can bear the tiredness, option 2 is very appealing.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Less than 3 days in the Southwest taking pictures
Post by: nma on May 14, 2013, 01:10:34 pm
I sincerely mean for this post to be helpful.

What are you thinking?

Your plans are impractical, too much driving. For example, it's a long way from LV to Page and back -- time wasted. And why Page? I understand it is a personal decision but there are other places at least as good. I offer a much simpler plan: Drive LV to Bryce Canyon to do sunset and sunrise. After sunrise drive to Zion and spend as much time as you can. That's it.
 
There are several viable variations on this plan but the key is to keep it simple.

Furthermore, don't assume that you are going to drive up to any of these places, jump out of your car, and snap superior images without some prior experience at the location.  Many of us scout the location extensively to plan our shoot. Sometimes it takes several visits to understand a location. While I understand that this is impractical for your short visit, it does argue for a less-is-more-approach.

Finally, I say to you: Relax a bit. Take it in with your eye. Absorb it before you start photographing. You will be glad you did because no photographs actually capture these magnificent scenes.
Title: Re: Less than 3 days in the Southwest taking pictures
Post by: NashvilleMike on May 14, 2013, 01:16:00 pm
Ah, you went and looked at Cape Royale images :)....

A few more comments:

On your option 1:

a) Call me crazy,  but I have a freaking love affair with the area around the Paria Rimrocks Hoodoo's in late afternoon light - specifically with the shooting ENDING about 30-45 minutes PRIOR to sunset (by 30 minutes to sunset the light is gone here). You get a location without a lot of folks, some truly cool looking hoodoo's with a tremendous red rock foreground (if you snoot from up top), and the well-shot toadstool hoodoo is just, well, cool. Look in Laurents book for the location - it's a bit tricky to find (I'd give you the GPS coords but my hiking GPS is nowhere near me at the moment), roughly 35 minutes west of Page on 89, near the Paria contact station. It's not perfect - there are some power lines you have to deal with, but for me, it's just a ball of fun working the area. I'd shoot here every day over Horseshoe at sunset unless there was a tremendous sunset AND you had a serious grad filter along. One of my nicest shots from the southwest is from this area and every time I'm in the area, I go back. Since you'd be driving right by it on the way to Page, you might as well try for it... (note if you do this: keep track of your bearings. My first time I got seriously tangled up in the washes on the way out and forgot where I turned, and it took me a while to figure out how to get out, even though it's only a mile and change back from the road)

b) Horseshoe Bend focal lengths. Ultra Wide City. My first time there I saw more Nikon 14-24's there in one place than Nikon probably had in the stockroom. It was crazy. Then I understood why. You *might* be able to squeeze with a 20 (I'm going to try with a Zeiss 21 next time out, but I'll have the 14-24 with me) but it's a tough fit with anything in the 24-28 in 135mm equivalency.

Discussing Option 2:

Regarding the North Rim: POINT IMPERIAL FOR SUNRISE !!!!  Bit shorter drive to here than the longer haul to Cape Royale. Cape Royale definitely for the later in the day stuff, but at least for me, Point Imperial prior to sunrise. No question.

Also remember: If you go from North Rim to Page, you'll have to go the longer way: up to Kanab, then across. The other way isn't going to work with the landslide of Hwy 89 south of Page blocking you (until they get the Indian Route 20 converted to alt-89 later in the summer). In addition, keep an eye out for the time changes in this area when planning...


Have fun!
-m
Title: Re: Less than 3 days in the Southwest taking pictures
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on May 14, 2013, 01:38:13 pm
Regarding the North Rim: POINT IMPERIAL FOR SUNRISE !!!!  Bit shorter drive to here than the longer haul to Cape Royale. Cape Royale definitely for the later in the day stuff, but at least for me, Point Imperial prior to sunrise. No question.

I'm interested you say that. I read the books and believed it, so i went to Point Imperial. I found it very underwhelming, so just after the sun came up I jumped back in my car and drove (perhaps a tad quickly) to Cape Royal. I was hugely glad I had.

It's a much longer drive, I agree, but I certainly felt it was worth every second.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Less than 3 days in the Southwest taking pictures
Post by: Peter McLennan on May 14, 2013, 06:05:23 pm

What are you thinking?


X2 on all counts.  I just got back from a month-long trip to most of those places.  You'd be FAR better served by driving less, shooting more.
Title: Re: Less than 3 days in the Southwest taking pictures
Post by: ksklo on May 14, 2013, 10:47:38 pm
Maybe I can give a little explanation to all those who think I am crazy.

Frist, I don't live in the States.  I am from Hong Kong and will only be traveling to Las Vegas for a show.  The southwest to me is like ten thousands miles away, and I can only afford very little time for photography, which is something I truly love.  You may call me crazy, but I've done it a few times already, to squeeze in a little fun at the end of my business travels.

I am sure if I live in the country, I would spend a lot more time visiting each of these places, and enjoy the openness and the beautiful landscape.  But for now, I live by a pace that is probably faster than anything you can imagine, and I am used to it!  To give you an extreme example, I had flown direct from Hong Kong to New York, landed at noon, attended meetings in the afternoon, returned right back to the airport, took a shower at the lounge and flew right back home.  My flight time was over 35 hours but my stay in the country was less than 12!  That's the kind of life I am unfortunately living, and so, when I get the chance to steal some time and do some photography, I would do it in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: Less than 3 days in the Southwest taking pictures
Post by: Peter McLennan on May 14, 2013, 11:06:59 pm
Understood.  I also understand that it's not all about photography, it's also about seeing all those places, if only through the windshield.  I can sympathize with this approach and in fact, I'm guilty of driving far too much and photographing far too little.  That's why the cautionary note.

But if there's one thing I've learned from a dozen or so trips through the southwest ( and I live over a thousand driving miles from there) it's this: The fewer the locations, the more I enjoy them.  It's a classic case of "less is more".

Of course, as they say, "your mileage may vary"  : )
Title: Re: Less than 3 days in the Southwest taking pictures
Post by: NashvilleMike on May 14, 2013, 11:58:33 pm
Have you flown into Las Vegas before or been in this area before?

If not, some tips/things to keep in mind:

1) Mccarran international airport utilizes a single location off airport car hire (car rental) facility. About 10 minutes by bus. When you finally make it down to the lobby, look for the signs. However, keep this in mind when you return your car so you have enough time to get back.

2) McCarran to the North Rim Lodge is about 4.5 hours (I-15 North, then into St. George/Hurricane, to Fredonia, AZ, down to Jacob Lake AZ, then down to the lodge). Since you'll be passing Jacob Lake, definitely stop in here - they have a nice lunch counter and serve pretty amazing home-baked cookies. A nice break before you do the road down to the N. Rim proper. I'd also strongly consider stopping for supplies (either at the gas station right before you get on "the strip" close to where you exit the rental car facility, or up the road 45 minutes in Mesquite, NV. You do not want to get stranded in the American Southwest in the summer without a LOT of water and some general food supplies.

3) For any sunrise or sunset driving in the North Rim area, be very, very aware of animals, particularly deer, which might be in the road. Don't speed here. The road to Point Imperial can be really narrow, be on the lookout for other vehicles.

4) Remember when leaving the North Rim that due to a landslide that closed Hwy 89 south of Page, you'll have to go the way you came in - back to Fredonia, up to Kanab, then east on hwy 89 to Page. Just under three hours the long way. I think you might go back an hour due to the various time zone strangeness between utah/arizona, can't remember offhand. Stop at the BLM station in Kanab - it's right near the Comfort Inn hotel, you'll drive right past it. They can offer any suggestions, provide maps, etc. Very nice folks.

5) Page / lower antelope: Get there at 8am if you can, there will be a line of cars at the gate. When the folks come to open, follow the cars down to the dirt lot. There will be a shack at the far left corner of the lot. Show your tripod and DSLR or MF camera and ask for the "photo pass" - 42 US dollars now (!! it went up) and you'll get two hours to wander around on your own.

6) Horseshoe Bend: be freakin' careful at the edge - no guardrails, 350 meters or so straight down, people die here every year from falling.

There is a lifetime of shooting to be done in this area, but I think your option 2 covers some really nice things. It still may be worth your while going through Zion on the way back to hwy 15, even if only to see the park and not shoot much. I guess it depends on when you need to back in Vegas that night.


-m



Title: Re: Less than 3 days in the Southwest taking pictures
Post by: ksklo on May 15, 2013, 01:00:05 am
Mike, thanks for all your pointers.  I think I have decided to take option 2.

I have been checking room availabilities at Grand Canyon Lodge every few hours, and was able to secure a room the night I want.  Otherwise, before the room opened up I was originally considering to actually base out of the Lake Jacob Inn, which is a good hour away.

It's going to be a lot of driving and I am sure this will become a very tiring trip.  But I cannot begin to tell you how excited I am to visit the Grand Canyon, finally!  I come to LV every June but this is the only time I am actually driving out to visit some of the national parks nearby.  I mean I had gone to Yosemite, Mammoth Lakes and Palouse Hills before or after this annual Vegas trips in the past, but every time I had to fly to my destination.  At some point I would really like to visit the Death Valley but unfortunately it's going to be way too hot in the summer.

OK, back to my plan.  This is pretty much finalized but I am still open to suggestions.

Day 1: Leave LV early in the morning, arrive and check in at the Grand Canyon Lodge, North Rim, early afternoon.  Do some sightseeing probably on Cape Royal Road until sunset and I will be standing by the tip of Cape Royal.  Then back to hotel and rest.

Day 2: Shoot sunrise at Point Imperial, and then return back to hotel for rest.  Sightsee and shoot more around Bright Angel Point in the afternoon until sunset.  And then start driving to Page to spend the night.

Day 3: Head out to Horseshoe Bend before sunrise, and go immediately to Lower Antelope after that.  After lunch, I will be heading back to LV.

I am just hopeful that I can book one more night at the Grand Canyon Lodge so that I can have a room to rest in the afternoon of Day 2.  Btw, my wife is coming along, so having the room is going to be a huge bonus.

My flight out of LV is going to be at around 7:30pm so although I won't have to rush driving back, I will not have much time seeing Zion on the way.

I think next year when I come to LV I will visit Bryce and maybe Zion after my business trip.

TOTALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO IT!
Title: Re: Less than 3 days in the Southwest taking pictures
Post by: ksklo on May 15, 2013, 05:48:43 am
Sorry for my ignorance.  While it is my understanding that I will not be entering into Glen Canyon, when I made my reservation at the Lake Powell Resort I was alerted that I would have to pay a $15 park entrance fee.  Is this mandatory in my case?  Or is it mandatory since I will be going to the Horseshoe Bend?

Anyways, if I decide to stay at other hotels in or near Page on my second night, is there any way to avoid paying this park fee?
Title: Re: Less than 3 days in the Southwest taking pictures
Post by: NashvilleMike on May 15, 2013, 09:02:50 am
Regarding Lake Powell: You only have to pay the 15$ if you're going to be staying at the lake / on the lakefront grounds. But if the hotel/motel is on the grounds, you have to pay the fee. There is no fee for Horseshoe Bend. Personally I'd stay somewhere else in Page just to be a bit closer to the main street (and avoiding the 15$ fee); both the Quality Inn Lake Powell and the Holiday Inn seem to be popular with photographers, but there are other choices. Might not be as fancy as being on the lake.

Also, regarding Lower Antelope: I don't know if your wife is planning to tag along, but the rules for the photo pass down there are such that only the photographer gets the pass; no assistants/wives/girlfriends come along - they have to take the guided tour. Something to be aware of.

You did well getting a room at the rim lodge on late notice. I've tried several times and always ended up staying at Jacob Lake, nice place, but a long way from the further viewpoints like Cape Royale.

-m
Title: Re: Less than 3 days in the Southwest taking pictures
Post by: ksklo on May 15, 2013, 11:56:11 am
Mike, I think I'll try some other hotels then, just to save the $15.

For Lower Antelope, I am fully aware that my wife is not going to be able to tag along as an assistant or partner, whatever.  We have talked and she would prefer to rest in the hotel, especially after the late drive from Grand Canyon the previous night and the upcoming long drive back to LV right after the canyon visit.

You know I was practically checking room availability at the Grand Canyon Lodge every 2 hours earlier today.  A few rooms showed up for the week I am interested in and they were all taken within 2 hours.  This place is really popular.
Title: Re: Less than 3 days in the Southwest taking pictures
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on May 15, 2013, 02:56:26 pm
Also, regarding Lower Antelope: I don't know if your wife is planning to tag along, but the rules for the photo pass down there are such that only the photographer gets the pass; no assistants/wives/girlfriends come along - they have to take the guided tour. Something to be aware of.

When was that rule introduced? It wasn't the case in April 2011, when I was there: my wife strolled along with me on the "photographers' tour" the whole time.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Less than 3 days in the Southwest taking pictures
Post by: francois on May 16, 2013, 08:29:56 am
When was that rule introduced? It wasn't the case in April 2011, when I was there: my wife strolled along with me on the "photographers' tour" the whole time.

Jeremy

Sometimes they seem to have very flexible rules. About 4 years ago, I paid the normal, non-photographer, tourist fee and they told me that I could spend as much time as I wanted in the Lower canyon.
Title: Re: Less than 3 days in the Southwest taking pictures
Post by: NashvilleMike on May 16, 2013, 03:05:00 pm
I was at Lower Antelope in spring of 2012 and saw the rule enforced then...
IIRC, it wasn't a big a deal in 2011 when I was there in the fall, so perhaps 2012 was the year of the new rule?

-m
Title: Re: Less than 3 days in the Southwest taking pictures
Post by: ksklo on June 25, 2013, 02:29:36 am
Thank you everyone for all the great help along the way.

I have successfully completed my short 3.5 days Southwest photo trip which was both fun and very fulfilling.  I ended up extending my Grand Canyon stay by one night, so I left Las Vegas on Wednesday morning and returned back to the McCarran Airport by Saturday late afternoon. Despite the long drives, I was able to do 3 sunrises, 3 sunsets and make a trip to the Lower Antelope Canyon.  I drove for a little over 20 hours and 1000 miles in these four days, which is probably equivalent to how much driving I would do in almost a full year here at home in Hong Kong!!!

While I made a mental note that 98N is closed and I even printed out the google map with instructions to take 89A northwest from 67 and then turn onto 89E towards Page from the GC North Rim, stupidly I followed my outdated GPS navigator and took 89A east until I hit the "Detour" sign at the 89/89A junction.  I probably lost an extra 2-2.5 hours driving there...  The driving was really exhaustive, especially when I had to cover all this distance all by myself and with the jet lag.  Fortunately I made it back to the LV airport in one piece.

The sceneries were just amazingly beautiful.  Unfortunately there were no clouds whatsoever over these few days, thus I was not able to complement the captivating landscape with interesting skies.  Here are a few images which I love from this trip.  I had only done my very preliminary post processing and I expect to continue refining some of these as I find time.  Please enjoy.

First comes a Cape Royal picture.  I had tried quite a few compositions and it turned out I love the wide angle one the most.
Title: Re: Less than 3 days in the Southwest taking pictures
Post by: ksklo on June 25, 2013, 02:30:40 am
At Point Imperial I did not see one person during the entire sunrise shoot.
Title: Re: Less than 3 days in the Southwest taking pictures
Post by: ksklo on June 25, 2013, 02:34:41 am
Bright Angel was the most challenging location at sunset due to its contrasty scene when there was nothing to shoot in the sky.  I had to use heavy HDR to bring out the foreground to make it a little more interesting, which I normally don't like to do because they just look to surreal to my eyes.
Title: Re: Less than 3 days in the Southwest taking pictures
Post by: ksklo on June 25, 2013, 02:36:02 am
I wanted to capture the Angel's Window but wasn't sure if sunrise would be good.  I took the risk and I was rewarded with an image I like a lot.
Title: Re: Less than 3 days in the Southwest taking pictures
Post by: ksklo on June 25, 2013, 02:38:59 am
Horseshoe Bend was less interesting at sunset with zero activity in the sky.  But at sunrise the reflection in the river made it more worthwhile.  Initially I had my polarizer set so that the reflection was blocked completely.  Fortunately before it was too late I realized that there was actually some beautiful colors reflecting from the water and I was able to capture them.
Title: Re: Less than 3 days in the Southwest taking pictures
Post by: ksklo on June 25, 2013, 02:45:17 am
The Lower Antelope Canyon visit was the best invested time.  In no more than 2 hours I had taken many breathtaking shots.  I never visited the Upper Antelope Canyon or any others, but I never regretted picking the Lower Antelope Canyon as my only choice of canyons in Page, Arizona.

By the way, the photographer's pass has been raised from $36 to $42, so it is quite expensive for the two hours you've got.  The guides who were around showing the tours were very kind and respectful to photographers.
Title: Re: Less than 3 days in the Southwest taking pictures
Post by: francois on June 25, 2013, 03:09:32 am
Thank you everyone for all the great help along the way.

I have successfully completed my short 3.5 days Southwest photo trip which was both fun and very fulfilling.  I ended up extending my Grand Canyon stay by one night, so I left Las Vegas on Wednesday morning and returned back to the McCarran Airport by Saturday late afternoon. Despite the long drives, I was able to do 3 sunrises, 3 sunsets and make a trip to the Lower Antelope Canyon.  I drove for a little over 20 hours and 1000 miles in these four days, which is probably equivalent to how much driving I would do in almost a full year here at home in Hong Kong!!!

While I made a mental note that 98N is closed and I even printed out the google map with instructions to take 89A northwest from 67 and then turn onto 89E towards Page from the GC North Rim, stupidly I followed my outdated GPS navigator and took 89A east until I hit the "Detour" sign at the 89/89A junction.  I probably lost an extra 2-2.5 hours driving there...  The driving was really exhaustive, especially when I had to cover all this distance all by myself and with the jet lag.  Fortunately I made it back to the LV airport in one piece.

The sceneries were just amazingly beautiful.  Unfortunately there were no clouds whatsoever over these few days, thus I was not able to complement the captivating landscape with interesting skies.  Here are a few images which I love from this trip.  I had only done my very preliminary post processing and I expect to continue refining some of these as I find time.  Please enjoy.

First comes a Cape Royal picture.  I had tried quite a few compositions and it turned out I love the wide angle one the most.


Thanks for reporting. It looks like you enjoyed your trip and you got very nice photos!