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Equipment & Techniques => Cameras, Lenses and Shooting gear => Topic started by: thewanderer on May 05, 2013, 10:25:58 pm
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pretty much a standard discussion of a camera, until....
ITS FUCKING SILVER!! i almost fell off my perch when i read that. What a great introduction of color into a black and white discussion.
thanks for the laugh, haven't had one for a while.
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My M9 was black, and my X100s is silver, and I actually think that the X100s being silver is an advantage on the street. With my black M9, when someone is at any distance, all they see is a nebulous, black blob in front of my face, which may as well be a small DSLR. With the X100s, people see it and think it's a 40 year old camera, and they don't take me seriously. I had a teenage girl holler at me from 30 feet the other day, because she wanted to see my old "film camera." She was shocked that it was brand new.
When you have a camera in front of your face, people are going to see it, so you may as well put them at ease by fooling them into thinking it's an old film camera, rather than a digital that will have their picture on facebook in an hour.
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Hi Douglasf13,
You make a very good point.
I have up graded to the Fuji X20 from the X10 and went for the silver as it has that old world charm about it.
The X20 is a vast improvement to the X10.
Cheers
Simon
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ITS FUCKING SILVER!!
Oh boy! Get some black tape and cover up all the silvery parts! What fun! Just like I did with my 1965 Leica M2. Hint...don't leave the tape on for 35 years, seriously.
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1. Do people really think that if it's a film camera then it can't rob their image, that only a digi can do that? Must be a touch of Barnum somewhere in there.
2. Do teenage girls really go for older guys with a silver film camera? I still have an F3 but damn, it's black! No, I don't think I currently even know a teenage girl. There may be some truth there: I think I saw footage of David Hamilton using a silver Minolta; possilby they get dazzled (the teenage girls) and become confused more than they generally used to be.
3. My D200 and D700 are all black already, but I managed to tape out the white lettering. It's amazing what a little dedication can do: won't help you think, be musical if you are not, create or even find eternal happiness, but it can allow you to a dominate a roll of electrical tape... if you don't manage to slice off the end of your finger first.
Rob C
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Hi Douglasf13,
You make a very good point.
I have up graded to the Fuji X20 from the X10 and went for the silver as it has that old world charm about it.
The X20 is a vast improvement to the X10.
Cheers
Simon
I recently handled an X20. Having tried and rejected the X Pro 1 in favour of an OMD some time ago I hadn't considered buying a pocketable camera, preferring to wait until someone produced one which incorporated a functional viewfinder and reasonably acceptable RAW output. I have to say that the X20 is one extremely seductive little beast, if not entirely pocketable.
Reading some of the reviews attenuated my enthusiasm considerably. I don't shoot jpeg, ever, but DPR's comparison tool revealed some very nasty looking RAW samples, particularly - if unsurprisingly - at higher ISOs. Like 800.
I know that this isn't a camera likely to generate huge amounts of interest on LL but I'd be interested to hear from users. My oh my, it's a cute little camera though...
Roy
EDIT. One thing I didn't like was the absence of any inbuilt lens capping or (even worse) a lens hood: I don't usually use protection filters but even this is precluded, as supplied, unless you buy an overpriced accessory lens hood. This abominable and increasingly common practise is just a way of effectively increasing the camera's price and bumping up the profit margin.
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Should I take a pot of silver paint to my D700?
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Hi Roy,
Adobe Camera Raw now does an excellent job a developing the X20 raw files. Its ability to retain highlights is one of the first advantages I have noticed with the ARC software.
I purchased a UV filter from the link below which is now attached to my X20.
http://www.japanexposures.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=502
Another extra I have bought for the X20 strap are some Nano clips from the link below which I have attached to the camera strap which makes it very quick to clip on and off.
http://www.berkeleypoint.com/products/hardware/stainless_clips.html
I also use the Pico clips on my Nikon D800E and D800 camera straps as well.
The link below are some raw test shots I took with my new Fuji X20 around the grounds of my home if you would like to down load.
http://www.yousendit.com/download/UVJnblFLU1A0b0RtcXNUQw
Cheers
Simon
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There was a time when I had a RF with a 35mm f2.5 lens and thought it was pretty perfect so this camera could interest me.
Did I read that it has inbuilt ND filter?
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I could be ok with the silver of my X100 if it was actual sliver metal and not paint that rubs off...
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Did I read that it has inbuilt ND filter?
There is. It is not possible to use fast shutter speeds with leaf shutter if the aperture is small, ND comes in handy. Of course it is sometimes needed for video also to keep the shutter speed low.
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1. Do people really think that if it's a film camera then it can't rob their image, that only a digi can do that? Must be a touch of Barnum somewhere in there.
2. Do teenage girls really go for older guys with a silver film camera? I still have an F3 but damn, it's black! No, I don't think I currently even know a teenage girl. There may be some truth there: I think I saw footage of David Hamilton using a silver Minolta; possilby they get dazzled (the teenage girls) and become confused more than they generally used to be.
3. My D200 and D700 are all black already, but I managed to tape out the white lettering. It's amazing what a little dedication can do: won't help you think, be musical if you are not, create or even find eternal happiness, but it can allow you to a dominate a roll of electrical tape... if you don't manage to slice off the end of your finger first.
Rob C
1. Yes, in this age of instant photo uploads sharing everything with everyone, I do think people are less concerned getting their picture taken with what they think is an old film camera, logical or not.
2. Hey, they was no "going for older guys" situation going on. This nice girl was probably around 15, and she was telling me about her vintage film cameras. She was very surprised to find out that the X100s was a new digital, on closer inspection.
3. I must admit that I've been guilty of electrical tape abuse in the past. I still usually cut out little pieces of camera leather to put on my various cameras to improve the grip.
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In those reviews I called this "the best APS-C sensor in the business".
I always liked Fuji rangefinders. This one looks like a great little RF.
But how does the X100s sensor compare at low ISO with DP2m sensor in terms of image quality?
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I always liked Fuji rangefinders. This one looks like a great little RF.
But how does the X100s sensor compare at low ISO with DP2m sensor in terms of image quality?
It could be better in terms of DR, but I don't think you'll see near the detail, especially if you use LR or camera jpegs. I'm finding Aperture is doing the best job for detail with my X100s, but I don't think any aps-c sensor can compete with the relatively specialized DP2m sensor at low ISO. In fact, I don't think X-trans can even compete with a Bayer, AA-less sensor at low ISO, either. X-trans' is a bit of a trade off, and, while certainly capable in good light, its strength is in lowlight.
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Thank you!
I guess, they would complement each other nicely. Best to get one of each.
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i enjoy the discussion here, but I really wasn't looking to make a point either way, silver or black,, i was just saying that the way Michael, in his review, out of nowhere, says "its fucking silver!!" is was just so out of nowhere and it made me laugh out loud that he would be that disgusted. it still makes me laugh.
thanks again for the good laugh,,
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i was just saying that the way Michael, in his review, out of nowhere, says "its fucking silver!!"
It was Nick! Michael would never utter anything like that.
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Fortunately I love the silver. Prefer it to black. :)
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Hey, who wants a pink one?
Seriously though having a silver/black options seems reasonable.
I myself am perfectly happy with the silver version.
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Black gets hotter when plenty of sun, that means more noise in your pictures because sensors are noisier with temperature increase.
So when possible, I prefer silver to black.
For lanscape it would be best in green/ brown ;) ;) ;)
Have a Nice day.
Thierry
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For lanscape it would be best in green/ brown ;) ;) ;)
Not if you dropped it into some green/brown undergrowth
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I'm sure Hasselblad could come up with some nice color scheme.
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soory for the author acreditations,,, it was still funny,, all this boring black and white camera color talk, then BAM!! a joke with enthusiasm..
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...Reading some of the reviews attenuated my enthusiasm considerably. I don't shoot jpeg, ever, but DPR's comparison tool revealed some very nasty looking RAW samples, particularly - if unsurprisingly - at higher ISOs. Like 800. I know that this isn't a camera likely to generate huge amounts of interest on LL but I'd be interested to hear from users. My oh my, it's a cute little camera though...
... One thing I didn't like was the absence of any inbuilt lens capping or (even worse) a lens hood: I don't usually use protection filters but even this is precluded, as supplied, unless you buy an overpriced accessory lens hood. This abominable and increasingly common practise is just a way of effectively increasing the camera's price and bumping up the profit margin.
Hi Roy, I've had the X20 for a little while now and since ACR and Aperture updated raw support, I find the raw files very usable. Although the noise level is a little higher than my m4/3 OMD at any given ISO, the lens seems to be so well matched up to the sensor that I spend less time in Photoshop fixing imaging issues.
Although the original lens cap takes a bit of getting used to, the add-on 52mm stepper ring and lens hood is worth the price. I often put a normal lens cap on a filter that I leave on the stepper ring without the hood. The only complaint I have is that the machining on the threads for mounting the hood is so fine (not inherently a bad thing), it tends do be hard to unscrew to change filters after a major temperture change. I was stuck with my CPL filter instead switching to an ND to take portraits a while back on a ski trip until I put it in an inner pocket for a while.
If you decide to take the plunge, I highly recommend the thumb grip and shutter extension button – it's the same same ergonomics package as for the X10.
I have no complaints with the quality of prints at 8x10 or 8x12 (and most likely higher with some work) and it seems to beat the pants off any camera from the 1/2.3" crowd. I am convinced the physical layout of its controls is nearly perfect for the way I like to shoot.
I chose the all black version, and have not noticed any difference in attention getting, or lack thereof, in bars compared to the chrome OMD.
My latest enjoyable discovery is that the hotshoe is compatible with generic Cannon OC3 sync cables, so using the Fuji EF-42 off camera with perfect TTL flash metering is dead easy. I attached a couple examples taken within minutes of trying this out. Other than my own lack of portraiture skills, I still have nothing to complain about after a month with the X20.
Cheers!
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But how does the X100s sensor compare at low ISO with DP2m sensor in terms of image quality?
DP2M wins.
The Xtrans is a real nice sensor. But the Merrill punches with the D800 for acutance. It's just a different feel. That said, at normal print sizes, you won't see much difference.
A lot of people have asked me this, but I never did a side-by comparison bc the cameras are just SO different in their handling profile. The Fuji is a go-anywhere, shoot anything camera, the DP2M is basically a mini tech-camera.
FYI, I would kill for a Fuji "X200s" with a 75mm lens....
Cheers,
- N.
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My M9 was black, and my X100s is silver, and I actually think that the X100s being silver is an advantage on the street. With my black M9, when someone is at any distance, all they see is a nebulous, black blob in front of my face, which may as well be a small DSLR. With the X100s, people see it and think it's a 40 year old camera, and they don't take me seriously. I had a teenage girl holler at me from 30 feet the other day, because she wanted to see my old "film camera." She was shocked that it was brand new.
Don't laugh. Initial anecdotal data suggests that the silver X100s is a superior girl-meeting tool than a black X100. I kid you not. A friend of mine has gotten chatted-up more with this camera than even his Leica. Though the Leica attracts a higher calibre of women :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
- N.
ps. 1. I can't believe how many people took that part of the review WAY too seriously.
ps. 2. I also wouldn't mind silver if it were, indeed, metal and not paint.
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Don't laugh. Initial anecdotal data suggests that the silver X100s is a superior girl-meeting tool than a black X100. I kid you not. A friend of mine has gotten chatted-up more with this camera than even his Leica. Though the Leica attracts a higher calibre of women :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
- N.
ps. 1. I can't believe how many people took that part of the review WAY too seriously.
ps. 2. I also wouldn't mind silver if it were, indeed, metal and not paint.
Ha! I'm not sure any calibre of woman has noticed my M9.
On a more serious note, it's the files of the X100s that I still have yet to warm up to. LR 4.4 still creates wacky, painterly effects in areas of fine detail on occasion, like foliage. Aperture, as well as some of the other converters, seems to solve this, but at the expense of weird areas of purple/green artifacts and little white dots. There needs to be a lot more work on the raw conversion end for X-trans (and the camera jpegs, too, as they look similar to LR 4.4)
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I added the Fuji X100s to my M9 as a "always with me camera" and because of its high iso capabilities and I have to say, that I am very satisfied.
So I added to my
Leica M reviews collection (https://sites.google.com/site/wosimsphotography/links-testberichte-reviews)
a Fuji X100s reviews collection (https://sites.google.com/site/wosimsphotography/fuji-x100s-testberichte-reviews) for those, who are interested it this little cam.
I think its qualities are more important than its colour? ;)