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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: Rob C on April 29, 2013, 03:31:14 pm

Title: Cooter
Post by: Rob C on April 29, 2013, 03:31:14 pm
Cooter, time to come back.

You are missed, as is your work.

Rob C
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: ErikKaffehr on April 29, 2013, 04:11:20 pm
+1

Erik
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: eronald on April 29, 2013, 04:22:34 pm
+1

Erik

Let the man get some work done, he will be back - AFAIK he didn't leave in anger.

Edmund
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: tho_mas on April 29, 2013, 06:35:19 pm
Cooter, time to come back.
why would he? To join the "beware of WiFi"-thread? Ridiculous ...

Then again, of course he is missing ...
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: ondebanks on April 29, 2013, 08:13:02 pm
I noticed that he signed up on getdpi a few weeks ago and has posted there quite a few times since. I didn't realize that he was saying goodbye to LuLa?

Ray
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: EricWHiss on April 29, 2013, 08:28:18 pm
 Hope he comes back too.
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: Christopher Sanderson on April 29, 2013, 10:43:21 pm
James has not left. I deleted his account in error - thus the 'Guest' status.

He will be back when he chooses under the same 'bcooter' name but the old posts will still say 'Guest' - dumb f'ing sftw that doesn't allow undos...

Apologies to all

Chris
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: eronald on April 30, 2013, 01:56:04 pm
James has not left. I deleted his account in error - thus the 'Guest' status.

He will be back when he chooses under the same 'bcooter' name but the old posts will still say 'Guest' - dumb f'ing sftw that doesn't allow undos...

Apologies to all

Chris

Poor James.
First he gets banned from R.G. (for posting on the Jesuscam thread), and we follow him here.
Now he gets run over by a truck, here :) and I guess we can follow him to Guy's place until misfortune strikes again.
Ah, it is a tough life to have a fan club :)

Edmund
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on April 30, 2013, 03:17:43 pm
+1
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: Schewe on April 30, 2013, 03:56:51 pm
Poor James.
First he gets banned from R.G. (for posting on the Jesuscam thread), and we follow him here.

Hey, he wasn't the only one to get banned from RG...I got banned too!

Several times as I recall :~)
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: MrSmith on April 30, 2013, 04:11:50 pm
I heard a rumour he had given up photography?
Cooter and his wife had opened a vegetarian restaurant on a Greek island. Evidently it's going we'll and they are planning on opening a yoga retreat for busy media types to learn the art of relaxation.
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: eronald on April 30, 2013, 04:33:22 pm
I heard a rumour he had given up photography?
Cooter and his wife had opened a vegetarian restaurant on a Greek island. Evidently it's going we'll and they are planning on opening a yoga retreat for busy media types to learn the art of relaxation.

Wrong island, it's actually near Rob's home. They've started running the meditation courses. Jeff has been recently seen there in the shade of a palmtree humming Ommmmm with a blissful smile on his face, a 3 week beard, and his hair tied back in a ponytail with a pink ribbon :)
I also hear that Rob throws wicked parties and we're all invited.

Edmund
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: Rob C on April 30, 2013, 05:31:04 pm
Wrong island, it's actually near Rob's home. They've started running the meditation courses. Jeff has been recently seen there in the shade of a palmtree humming Ommmmm with a blissful smile on his face, a 3 week beard, and his hair tied back in a ponytail with a pink ribbon :)
I also hear that Rob throws wicked parties and we're all invited.

Edmund


I like that; and Rob sticks to his single cardiologist-permitted glass of red wine per day.

However, fifteen years ago...

Sometimes I don't know if to laugh or to cry. Sometimes I find they are pretty much the same thing.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: Schewe on April 30, 2013, 09:13:47 pm
Pink ribbon? I don't do pink...
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: Steve Hendrix on April 30, 2013, 09:49:36 pm
Poor James.
First he gets banned from R.G. (for posting on the Jesuscam thread), and we follow him here.
Now he gets run over by a truck, here :) and I guess we can follow him to Guy's place until misfortune strikes again.
Ah, it is a tough life to have a fan club :)

Edmund


Actually, if I recall correctly, it was more people leaving voluntarily after the censorship that ensued from the JesusCam thread. Voluntary exile, if you will.


Steve Hendrix
Capture Integration
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: wolfnowl on April 30, 2013, 10:48:16 pm
Pink ribbon? I don't do pink...

Prior to WWII, pink was considered a boy's colour.  Since it's related to red, it was considered too 'passionate' for girls.  Blue was the girl's colour.  They've actually flip-flopped a couple of times through the centuries.  But nobody's gonna make you wear pink if you don't want to!

Mike.
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: Rob C on May 01, 2013, 04:14:51 am
Pink ribbon? I don't do pink...


In wine-tasting country you should: goes with the eyes.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: Rob C on May 01, 2013, 04:16:43 am
Cooter -

I don't know the other site (which I assume is Galbraith?) but I'm damned happy to see you posting again.

Rob C
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: Schewe on May 01, 2013, 04:23:23 am
Don't take this negatively, but you remind me of the old line "I wouldn't join a club that would have me".  I don't know about you, but in my life I've left a lot of clubs, bounced from a few bars and even as a child was tossed out of the cub scouts.  My mom was the Den Mother.

I don't really take anything personally...
BTW, I got kicked out of the Boy Scouts...I can't remember exactly why (not because I was gay, I'm not) but I'm pretty sure it had something to do with my attitude...which hasn't improved much over the years.

:~)
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: Rob C on May 01, 2013, 04:28:29 am
I don't really take anything personally...
BTW, I got kicked out of the Boy Scouts...I can't remember exactly why (not because I was gay, I'm not) but I'm pretty sure it had something to do with my attitude...which hasn't improved much over the years.

:~)


Further reason not to fear pink!

My bandana is now pink, but it used to be red when my wife made it for me - the sun bleaches everything except skin. With skin it has other plans.

Rob C
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: eronald on May 01, 2013, 07:07:42 am

Further reason not to fear pink!

My bandana is now pink, but it used to be red when my wife made it for me - the sun bleaches everything except skin. With skin it has other plans.

Rob C


My father lived in the tropics for a long time. I always noticed that his face was so strange compared to every one else around us. Back then you could at one glance recognize the westerners who had made their careers overseas and then retired back to Europe.

Edmund
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: artobest on May 01, 2013, 07:18:30 am
Cooter -

I don't know the other site (which I assume is Galbraith?) but I'm damned happy to see you posting again.

Rob C

I Googled it and got the Rhythmic Gymnastics forum. Which is conjuring up some pretty disturbing mental images of Schewe.
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: fredjeang2 on May 01, 2013, 09:12:55 am
Can someone tell me what the hell is this RG stuff ?

I thought I knew a lot, until last day when I was talking to a girlfriend about the BBC and realised that, for her, it had nothing to do with british broadcast
at all but big black c...
So I said, BBC guys are the best...and she answered: oh yeah!

( it could also mean bloody british columbia).

So what is this mysterious RG that everybody's been banned from?
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on May 01, 2013, 09:39:24 am
... So what is this mysterious RG that everybody's been banned from?

Rob Galbraith forum.
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on May 01, 2013, 10:04:30 am
Quote from: fredjeang2
Can someone tell me what the hell is this RG stuff ?

Rob Galbraith forum.
Gosh all you youngsters make me feel old. I thought it was obviously the Rob Galbraith forum Cooter was referring to. Was it really so long ago that it dies?
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: fredjeang2 on May 01, 2013, 10:11:03 am
Gosh all you youngsters make me feel old... Was it really so long ago that it dies?


Remember Eric, time is a collective illusion, like "self" or "my" or "I"

(isn't that a wise quote...) 8)

Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: fredjeang2 on May 01, 2013, 10:37:43 am
Anyway,

Now that Slobodan gave me the answer of this mysterious and archeologic RG forum from the Eon era, I'd add that the Coot post in this thread is a fake one.
Some wired entity posted under the Coot's identity but it's not James.

And I tell you why.

Proof number one: Coot always warned Rob C about not looking back, about the fact that the golden age is an illusion and that the best are the time we're living,
and that the most exciting buzz are forward. I suscribe to this point of view.
And suddenly, this nostalgic entity that took coot's indentity is writting memories about: once uppon a time in a remote remote lost period of darkness, sorry, darkrooms, and Ilford chemistry,
were a bunch of holly guys switching to digi with knights spirit
..etc.....doesn't sounds like Coot at all, init?.

Proof number twooo: Coot is texan. Texans have thick skins and fight. Impossible that a single guy can fire a texan from his horse.

Proof number trrreeee: Coot shoots Red One. What the Red one has to do with that? I needed a third proof of identity usurpation.
Red camera owners are having so much fun with their Raw video, Red rockets, 20 grands Cine Zeiss and 5000 points DR that they stand above the terrenal worries of still imagery and nikonism
stay behind technology.
(ask CB about his Red)

So Coot's Dodge Charger is not back...yet.

  
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: MrSmith on May 01, 2013, 11:06:15 am
I told you he was doing yoga and eating falafel.
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: fredjeang2 on May 01, 2013, 01:14:52 pm
Your Right Fred.

Last year I only got to spend 2 weeks in our Texas studio.  

Was either in a plane or touchy feely L.A.  

This year I told myself every chance I had I would go back to Texas and already have spent 5 weeks there this year, off and on.

You'd think that would have helped, but instead I think I've turned into a left coast sissy.

I think California has ruined me, because the other night passing a Prius at about 95 mph on the 10 and thought, you know, those cars aren't that "bad" looking.

Next thing I'll be wearing hemp boots, listening to Adele and and growing my own cilantro.

IMO

BC
;D
Tell me about this Prius...
The other day I took a cab, it was a Prius. I had in mind restoring
A vintage Citroen DS, probably the most elegant car ever
Designed, Or a Ferrari dino 4 seats because I'm bored
Like hell with current cars. Them I was asking the taxi driver about this
Prius...it does a constant sound like a bzzzzzzz, a little
Bit like an electric girl legs shaver...
The taxi driver told me that they are very reliable, and
I should buy one to contribute to save the planet from
Global warming...

Nice to see you back.
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: Rob C on May 01, 2013, 01:15:27 pm
Your Right Fred.

Last year I only got to spend 2 weeks in our Texas studio.  

Was either in a plane or touchy feely L.A.  

This year I told myself every chance I had I would go back to Texas and already have spent 5 weeks there this year, off and on.

You'd think that would have helped, but instead I think I've turned into a left coast sissy.

I think California has ruined me, because the other night passing a Prius at about 95 mph on the 10 and thought, you know, those cars aren't that "bad" looking.

Next thing I'll be wearing hemp boots, listening to Adele and and growing my own cilantro.

IMO

BC


I quite enjoyed the brief period when I could catch Californication on tv... But hell, I did think folks would have more sense than to drive an open Porsche there; I even had a model in Glasgow tell me that someone had tried to get in through the door of her little Mini at the traffic lights once - that was back in the early 70s and I don't think any of the local assholes had had time to learn that trick from the movies yet, so if they were already aware of the possibilities...

But anyway, what's bad about touchy-feely? We do it all the time in Spain - ask Fred! It feels nice (I don't know about Fred; I mean the system).

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: fredjeang2 on May 01, 2013, 01:27:43 pm
What touchy-feely means?
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: Ben Rubinstein on May 01, 2013, 01:33:24 pm
I was parked outside my dads house when an Audi went into the side of my rented prius at about 70 mph on a residential street. I heard it from the house, came down and found that the entire right side (drivers side for use brits) was heavily dented. I had a standing ovation from the rental staff for having knackered a prius when I took it back the next day! They gave me a Land Rover next time round as a reward :D
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: Rob C on May 01, 2013, 01:48:38 pm
;D
Tell me about this Prius...
The other day I took a cab, it was a Prius. I had in mind restoring
A vintage Citroen DS, probably the most elegant car ever
Designed, Or a Ferrari dino 4 seats because I'm bored
Like hell with current cars. Them I was asking the taxi driver about this
Prius...it does a constant sound like a bzzzzzzz, a little
Bit like an electric girl legs shaver...
The taxi driver told me that they are very reliable, and
I should buy one to contribute to save the planet from
Global warming...

Nice to see you back.



Fred, are you mad? Or did you win the Euromillones?

Restoring cars is for rock stars or retired mafiosi. And they just pay a series of grunts to do it for them. Good condition E-Type will start at around 100 grand (pounds) and there’s always more to do. It’s like restoring a finca: triple the builder’s estimate.

If you are bored, work harder. I’m very bored and I don’t work at all. Learn the lesson. Restoring a car or boat isn’t to reduce boredom, it’s to find a mission (impossible) in life. My bro’n’lo is dreaming about replacing a Lotus Europa he had in his early twenties; he’s already got an S-Class stretched, Brabus, and his wife had an SLK AMG she’s just swapped for an A-Class. Why? Those rear-drive cars were useless this winter in snow… so it’s back to basics for her. You see how crazy cars are? They are worse than people. If a people breaks you send it to hospital to get mended; if a very obsolete car breaks, you have to find somebody who has a workshop and can make parts for you, hopefully for less than it costs him to do it.

Find a mistress – it’ll  be cheaper and possibly more fun. You’re French; that should be easy.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: Rob C on May 01, 2013, 01:52:33 pm
What touchy-feely means?


Hugs, air-kisses etc. Just like here.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: Rob C on May 01, 2013, 01:56:44 pm
I was parked outside my dads house when an Audi went into the side of my rented prius at about 70 mph on a residential street. I heard it from the house, came down and found that the entire right side (drivers side for use brits) was heavily dented. I had a standing ovation from the rental staff for having knackered a prius when I took it back the next day! They gave me a Land Rover next time round as a reward :D


1. They don't trust you with a car but can't find a legal way to refuse future rentals.

2. They have just worked a scam with the insurace agency.

3. They really are racist.

When did an LR become a reward, or did I just miss the irony?

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on May 01, 2013, 02:48:55 pm
What touchy-feely means?

Openly emotional/sentimental.
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: fredjeang2 on May 01, 2013, 03:26:21 pm

Find a mistress – it’ll  be cheaper and possibly more fun. You’re French; that should be easy.

;-)

Rob C


Or...find a touchy-feely mistress who pays the Ferrari bills  ::)

You won't tell me that this music isn't better than listening to Adele in California: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PN_UsfJqN4
Filmed with a Gopro

Ps: for the ones interested, the Dino 308 GT4 is the cheapest Ferrari in the vintage market (less than the Rob's Mercedes and way more interesting driving experience)  and far from being the worse. Vastly underestimated. It has 2 rear seats. Hand built.
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: eronald on May 01, 2013, 04:40:34 pm
Your Right Fred.

Last year I only got to spend 2 weeks in our Texas studio.  


That's what happens to celebrity photographers who outfit a 747 as a portable studio :)

Edmund
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: Rob C on May 01, 2013, 05:37:30 pm
Or...find a touchy-feely mistress who pays the Ferrari bills  ::)

You won't tell me that this music isn't better than listening to Adele in California: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PN_UsfJqN4
Filmed with a Gopro

Ps: for the ones interested, the Dino 308 GT4 is the cheapest Ferrari in the vintage market (less than the Rob's Mercedes and way more interesting driving experience)  and far from being the worse. Vastly underestimated. It has 2 rear seats. Hand built.



But, I don't think it is officially a Ferrari: named for Enzo's son, I believe that though it carried Dino, the Ferrari word wasn't there on the original cars. I think some owners bought the F names and added them post.

This may be a factoid. Whatever, not a lot of people knows that, as Alfie was wont to say.

Enjoyed the film; had a Fiat X1/9 for a couple of years (almost), and when I discovered the alloys had been contaminated at the factory by added weights straight onto the rims and that I would have to buy four new ones, I bought the Alfa instead. Had that for less than a year and sold it when we left to come here. If they had put the Alfa boxer into the Fiat it would have been fantastic. Oh, and built it (the X/9) from steel, not sardine tins.

Of course, then I probably wouldn't have been able to afford it.

Rob C
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: FredBGG on May 01, 2013, 06:46:26 pm
Your Right Fred.

Last year I only got to spend 2 weeks in our Texas studio.  

Was either in a plane or touchy feely L.A.  

This year I told myself every chance I had I would go back to Texas and already have spent 5 weeks there this year, off and on.

You'd think that would have helped, but instead I think I've turned into a left coast sissy.

I think California has ruined me, because the other night passing a Prius at about 95 mph on the 10 and thought, you know, those cars aren't that "bad" looking.

Next thing I'll be wearing hemp boots, listening to Adele and and growing my own cilantro.

IMO

BC

95mph on the a freeway with a 65mph speed limit....

Speeding drivers biggest killer on the freeways.
http://youtu.be/eryfhMWfl1U (http://youtu.be/eryfhMWfl1U)
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: FredBGG on May 01, 2013, 06:51:22 pm


But, I don't think it is officially a Ferrari: named for Enzo's son, I believe that though it carried Dino, the Ferrari word wasn't there on the original cars. I think some owners bought the F names and added them post.

This may be a factoid. Whatever, not a lot of people knows that, as Alfie was wont to say.

Enjoyed the film; had a Fiat X1/9 for a couple of years (almost), and when I discovered the alloys had been contaminated at the factory by added weights straight onto the rims and that I would have to buy four new ones, I bought the Alfa instead. Had that for less than a year and sold it when we left to come here. If they had put the Alfa boxer into the Fiat it would have been fantastic. Oh, and built it (the X/9) from steel, not sardine tins.

Of course, then I probably wouldn't have been able to afford it.

Rob C

I've heard that it was originally a design for a different brand. Great drive though...

The real really lovely Dino was this one:

(http://ferrariw.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/ferrari-dino-246-black.jpg)

Had one in the family... would have kept it but I grew too much and can't fit in it and turn the steering wheel at the same time ;)
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: ondebanks on May 01, 2013, 06:59:48 pm

Actually, if I recall correctly, it was more people leaving voluntarily after the censorship that ensued from the JesusCam thread. Voluntary exile, if you will.


Steve Hendrix
Capture Integration

Intrigued by this, I searched www.robgalbraith.com for "JesusCam" and just plain "Jesus". No matches whatsoever.

Whatever that thread was, it must have been so terrible that it has been completely expunged from history!

Ray
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: fredjeang2 on May 01, 2013, 07:06:11 pm
The 308 GT4 is indeed a real Ferrari, but not highly considered by the purists.
In fact Dino was a brand in itself that was created to produce cars with less than 12 cylinders
(and less than 12 cylinders by the purists is an heresy).

When the Dino brand disapeared, it was fully incorporated into Ferrari and the 308 GT 4
was a real Ferrari but not with the 12 cylinder engine, "only" a little V8.
However, this is an incredible car, very stable, superbly built and engineered, and the most affordable
Ferrari for someone who wants to start into the brand at "low-budget".
A car for rebuild can be found at 8.000 euros, and the ones in perfect conditions are about 20.000 euros.
The fuel is 20 liters/100 km
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: eronald on May 01, 2013, 10:10:32 pm
What I got told when I lived in Italy was that the Dino was an affordable Ferrari, but it became the pimpmobile of choice precisely because it was affordable whereupon the company dropped the idea of affordability. Ony in Italy, I guess; these days BMW does quite well out of being the wheels of choice for drug dealers. Now, that ought to be enough car-brand-offensive innuendo for a day - can we get back to maligning MF cameras, viewing beautiful images and  maybe prepare for an exclusive report from James about the state of our art in these times of less people with more money?

Edmund
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: Schewe on May 02, 2013, 03:42:11 pm
It was like a scene from Radars Of The Lost Arc.

Radars? As in speed trap? Or was this a Freudian slip for Raiders of the Lost Ark?

That's what you get when you are posting to LuLa on your mobile phone while speeding on the 10. Spellcheck is a bitch!

:~)
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: FredBGG on May 02, 2013, 04:06:40 pm


IMO

BC


*FYI once again your data is skewed.  

Fast driving is not the number one road hazard or cause of traffic deaths.

First is distracted driving, second is drug/alcohol use, third is fatigue and fourth is speeding.

Just thought you might want to update one of your charts.


Depends on how you look at this... When speeding can't be proved fatigue or distraction is the best excuse to choose.

Anyway even if speeding is the fourth cause of traffic death... does that some how make you a model citizen behind the wheel while speeding at 95mph?
I wonder what you were driving....
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: Chris Barrett on May 02, 2013, 04:59:19 pm
Man... country music makes me want to stab my earholes.


no relevance intended.
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: FredBGG on May 02, 2013, 05:29:55 pm
Man... country music makes me want to stab my earholes.


no relevance intended.

I hope your talking about the nasty over commercialized type with an overdose of patriotism and exaggerated truck/gun pride.

Aside from that there is some very beautiful country/folk music. It can be a bit hard to find, but it's out there.

Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: eronald on May 02, 2013, 10:11:57 pm
 "Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent." („Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen.“)
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: fredjeang2 on May 03, 2013, 09:43:29 am
Fast driving is not the big cause of road deaths.

Look at Germany highways. Very well known.

Slow driving actually allows bad drivers to...,well, drive, but with less concentration.

Then , the disaster comes when you put in the hands of the bad-slow-drivers, or wanabee 16 years old guy, a fast car.
Like the "nouveau riche" with money.

It would costs me way less to insure a Ferrari now that when I started to drive a wreak at my 18'.
According to insurance statistics, real sports cars in the hand of more than 35 years old drivers hardly have accidents.

Now...listening to country music inside a Ferrari ? Boooo.

Ps: in fact the real noise of this Prius is similar to my girlfriend electric dildo noise "zzzzzzzzzzz"
It would suits well with Pat Boone. This zzzzzz.
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: Chris Barrett on May 03, 2013, 09:53:04 am
Fred... you're awesome, Man.
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: fredjeang2 on May 03, 2013, 09:56:27 am
Oh, thanks Chris.

That's what I'm trying my girlfriend to admit, but it's not working so far. (maybe because of the zzzzz dildo).

I will show her your post and say: "see?"

Don't delete it please.
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: eronald on May 03, 2013, 10:26:39 am
Oh, thanks Chris.

That's what I'm trying my girlfriend to admit, but it's not working so far. (maybe because of the zzzzz dildo).

I will show her your post and say: "see?"

Don't delete it please.

I've heard that after the self-sufficient, infinitely repeatable and adjustable, perfection of electronic ... photography, it's difficult to go back to ... film :)

Edmund
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: fredjeang2 on May 03, 2013, 11:47:15 am
Cool video. Great boys casting and concept. Enjoyed it.

I always find that still people going to motion have more hardtime in the editing aspect (and audio). Image are generally well acheived but montages are way too slow,
specially when mixed with music, they generaly lack rythm, percussion and election of takes and planes are "out" the story telling. (following a pattern of composition)
Don't know if this video has been done by "still crew" but it smells like. (the cutting doesn't always match what the music-emotion transmits and it's very typical)
This song and video have very powerfull editing options but it looks more like still pros work because they were not fully exploited in the motion lenguage during the entire lengh.
There are very good parts, right on the money, but then weak parts that break the buzz and look a little out or added at the last moment.
(maybe it's a motion crew, I don't know but reminds me more of dejà-vu with pros freshly to motion)

I've seen this in 99% of still imagery people going to motion, even after years.

That's why good editors are keys people within the pipeline, and not "photographers that use their studio FC" and are used to control everything, it doesn't work.
I would say that a good sound tech and a good editor are the 2 pilars, even more important that image quality or cc itself because it's generally the weakest always,
even with experienced crews.

Good example for inspiration study and not doing the typical "weaknesses" of still imagers, Take a look for ex at this dude: http://www.jonasakerlund.com/

That said: zzzzzzzz


 
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: Rob C on May 03, 2013, 11:49:09 am
German highways: It is true there are a lot of crazy people. If any other technology would cause so many deads as driving, it would be instantly forbidden.Fortunately there are also girls who prefer the old fashioned way: Girls like Barbarella or Marina.

Best,
Johannes


1.  You mean, like guns?

2.  You have got to be joking: Barbarella broke a friggin' machine; you think it fortunate to mess with someone like that?


Rob C


Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: eronald on May 03, 2013, 01:05:01 pm
I'm told that the total budget of a music video is now around 10K Euro.
Not sure that really covers choreography rehearsals etc which is why I guess these things are mostly shot and assembled rather than really filmed. Of course, I'm sure that a woman and her EverReady Bunny, or Warhol Man in a close up can be done for less, which comforts my impression  that porn keeps getting better while music videos are going downhill :)

Edmund

Cool video. Great boys casting and concept. Enjoyed it.

I always find that still people going to motion have more hardtime in the editing aspect (and audio). Image are generally well acheived but montages are way too slow,
specially when mixed with music, they generaly lack rythm, percussion and election of takes and planes are "out" the story telling. (following a pattern of composition)
Don't know if this video has been done by "still crew" but it smells like. (the cutting doesn't always match what the music-emotion transmits and it's very typical)
This song and video have very powerfull editing options but it looks more like still pros work because they were not fully exploited in the motion lenguage during the entire lengh.
There are very good parts, right on the money, but then weak parts that break the buzz and look a little out or added at the last moment.
(maybe it's a motion crew, I don't know but reminds me more of dejà-vu with pros freshly to motion)

I've seen this in 99% of still imagery people going to motion, even after years.

That's why good editors are keys people within the pipeline, and not "photographers that use their studio FC" and are used to control everything, it doesn't work.
I would say that a good sound tech and a good editor are the 2 pilars, even more important that image quality or cc itself because it's generally the weakest always,
even with experienced crews.

Good example for inspiration study and not doing the typical "weaknesses" of still imagers, Take a look for ex at this dude: http://www.jonasakerlund.com/

That said: zzzzzzzz


 

Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: fredjeang2 on May 03, 2013, 01:14:00 pm
I'm told that the total budget of a music video is now around 10K Euro.
Not sure that really covers choreography rehearsals etc which is why I guess these things are mostly shot and assembled rather than really filmed. Of course, I'm sure that a woman and her EverReady Bunny, or Warhol Man in a close up can be done for less, which comforts my impression  that porn keeps getting better while music videos are going downhill :)

Edmund


The average here is in between 7.000 and 20.000 for normal prod of musical clip (counting 4 minutes), so yeah, 10K is in the middle-low.
(1500-5000 per minute)
Of course this can jump fast to 100k to millions, but with the crisis...
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: fredjeang2 on May 03, 2013, 02:40:04 pm


Every director I've respected spends as much time in the editorial bay as they do on set, probably more, because that's where the story comes together.

Where photographers have issues in editing their own video is the same issues we have in editing our portfolio, we are too invested in the imagery.  

The most difficult shot might not fit the story and probably should hit the floor, but since we are so attached to it, we can't help but insert it.  

So this may sound trite but to edit you have to get out of yourself and not look at the edit as the dp, director, editor, or client.

Absolutly. I think it's really a key point.

I also noticed that editing is a "god's gift". There are people born with natural capabilities for that, as in every craft and they can shine easily in it, while others
may learn during years and years, know all the rules and they never end to be really good at it.




A good director also has to be involved in the script, along with the dp, probably more involved than the writer.

Writing it on paper and making it come out on film are way different processes and sometimes just don't transfer.


Yeah, that's where I find generally the weakest parts (even in video crews). In the end, an editor can only work with the takes done. Going back to this music video,
watching it, I had "obvious takes" in mind that were "missing". Now...maybe they were missing because they were not shooted. That's the problem. So script
and pre-production are really keys in order to get the takes nailed for the story. (and that's where 4K red can be good to save lack of plans because we can crop)

What I find that is generally very weak with still imagery background pros, is a very limited sense of plans and angles in relation to storytelling and a really problematic
and recurrent problem with audio and music matching that is there in 99% of the prods that comes from still world. The cuttings are in general too slow, way too slow,
they tell or too much or not enough, or out of context (specially when rythm is needed) and they are more preocupated with this sacro saint
"image quality" and color corrections. They lite quite well, they color quite well but they have hardtime when it comes to motion lenguage and keep the buzz according
to the story intended, instead it's shy and too much time on similar takes.

Then, there is another issue wich is "trying to do it too well" under pressure and that's when things get bad and cutting end to be boring for too much conservatism
and desire to not failure. Precisely, the worry of not failing makes the failure guarantee.

It does not happen in high-end video or cine crews because they are used to big chalenges and pressure and it's done within a "daily routine". It happens more
to still crowds because they aren't confident enough and they want to make it good, forgetting the necesary fun and distance.

I still find that probably your best editing (published, don't know the unpublished) is the car race with the 5D2. And I think it's because you kept it fresh, fluid, organic,
and no pressure to client X or Y. So in the end, it's your intuition and not reason(able) that was involved. You had fun.

Ps: and it's funny, in the end, we can discuss gear, lenses and so on, but I never watch a movie with the "image quality" in mind. If it's a 5D2 or a Red or Aaton or Gopro.
It really doesn't matter. What yes matters is the audio and the cutting.
A bad audio and a bad cutting would completly ruin the experience, while a Red vs Alexa would be completly irrelevant.
Title: Re: Cooter
Post by: MrSmith on May 03, 2013, 02:44:38 pm
"The most difficult shot might not fit the story and probably should hit the floor, but since we are so attached to it, we can't help but insert it.  "

Absolutely. You get precious and hang on to things that aren't needed. I always show a rough edit to a friend in the business and he will imidiately spot what needs to go and is quite ruthless but the end product is always better for it.