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Title: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on February 28, 2013, 09:02:27 AM
Further delightful image from the Isle of Winter Sunshine.

What you don't see in the pic, is the two-hundred metre walk to the restaurant through the flooding streets and pavements. As I clambered out of the car, trying to erect the umbrella at the same time, I realised I'd parked over an iron manhole cover. I went with the risk.

As everybody knows, it never rains here, never snows and is perpetually warm and sunny. I know: I used to shoot the brochures.

Retribution?

Rob C
Title: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on February 28, 2013, 02:19:49 PM
I think I'd be tempted to skip lunch!
Title: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chris Calohan on February 28, 2013, 03:11:34 PM
Gimme a break, guys. If you can still see the car in front of you, it's umbrella time. It's when the car disappears behind a veil of water you have to give lunch a second thought, swimming lessons first.
Title: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on February 28, 2013, 04:06:18 PM
Gimme a break, guys. If you can still see the car in front of you, it's umbrella time. It's when the car disappears behind a veil of water you have to give lunch a second thought, swimming lessons first.


That was one scary part of driving a left-hooker through wet UK motorways: you sat in the driving seat on the left of your car and passed heavy trucks on their right, the spray blinding you more efficiently than any finger in the eye ever could.

Should have said: lunch was actually rather good: thick lentil soup with tiny slices of sausage and potato, followed by fried baby octopus with ratatouille. I never take desert anymore - too much sugar, but I always have that omission balanced by a café solo with sugar. Not too bad for ten euros.

Rob C
Title: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chris Calohan on February 28, 2013, 04:41:02 PM
I didn't give the driving on the left consideration with that statement..it's bad enough to have to drive through semi trailer spray with it on the right side.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 01, 2013, 04:52:39 AM
I didn't give the driving on the left consideration with that statement..it's bad enough to have to drive through semi trailer spray with it on the right side.



Before the motorway was built, part of the main route from the French/Spanish borders down to Barcelona used to be a road with three lanes, the central one open to overtaking in both directions. It was the most scary event of any driving trip I ever took, especially in the wet, because not only was vision dreadful, but roads long dry become greasy when rain falls on top, and that's just like ice! Plus, unlike northern people, Mediterranean dwellers are just not used to driving in slippery conditions and they generally tailgate at any speed. There's a certain thrill in seeing several sets of headlights coming towards you, side by side, through a soaked windscreen: quite artistic (pace Patricia!). And when you know you can't even slow down without getting rammed from the rear... you wish you'd elected to fly instead.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chris Calohan on March 01, 2013, 08:05:24 AM
Certainly not three laned, but welcome to Atlanta on any given day.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: l_d_allan on March 03, 2013, 01:57:55 PM
Further delightful image from the Isle of Winter Sunshine.

Wonderful picture.

I'm amazed the car interior / steering wheel / dash seem sharp and in focus, and the outside car even appears to be in relatively decent focus. It would have been a dark day, so even with an uwa focal length, it would seem like you'd need some extra DOF from stopping down, and I suppose a rather high ISO.

This is one of many images where I find myself wondering about the EXIF. Is it available, or is this LuLa forum newbie missing how to access EXIF? Ah, now I notice that a cell phone was involved. That explains quite a bit.

My 2¢ of things to consider:
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 04, 2013, 11:14:46 AM
1.   Wonderful picture.

I'm amazed the car interior / steering wheel / dash seem sharp and in focus, and the outside car even appears to be in relatively decent focus. It would have been a dark day, so even with an uwa focal length, it would seem like you'd need some extra DOF from stopping down, and I suppose a rather high ISO.

This is one of many images where I find myself wondering about the EXIF. Is it available, or is this LuLa forum newbie missing how to access EXIF? Ah, now I notice that a cell phone was involved. That explains quite a bit.

2.   My 2¢ of things to consider:
  • To me, the light triangle on the left is distracting. You wouldn't want to crop it out in order to keep the street light. Perhaps clone it out?
  • Try to make the tail-lights have some "glow", perhaps almost a colorized effect on this nearly b/w image. However, that might not be trivial to do convinciingly. Easy to suggest, not necessarily easy to accomplish. I have my doubts I could do such a glow with my limited p.p. skills, at least in a reasonable amount of time.
  • Consider having your descriptive words after the picture. Or minimize? To me, the description was not only a distraction, but in some ways detracted from the image.
  • For example, I originally assumed the cars were moving ... and I thought ... "How in the heck did he make that image?". When you commented that you had stopped the car, that took just a bit away from my sense of amazement.


1.  Thanks for the kind remark.

2.  Being new, you probably haven’t read the original post in Without Prejudice 1 which I append:

“I've knocked the idea around a few times, may be worth trying to see if it sticks.

Basically, I thought it might be nice to have a spot where we can hang pix that aren't looking for 'critique', that exist just for the hell of it, and seemed to be a good idea at the time they were sketched.

I kick it off with a self portrait shot in the office by looking out of the door.

Rob C”

No harm done – just something to bear in mind.

;-)

Rob

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 04, 2013, 12:11:37 PM
It didn't rain today, so I took some snaps with the cellphone again. As I seldom use it to make calls - I seldom make any calls as I rather e-mail - I might have bought a little shiny camera instead; I'm sure it pulls the girls.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: l_d_allan on March 04, 2013, 12:29:39 PM
2.  Being new, you probably haven’t read the original post in Without Prejudice 1 which I append:

Guilty as charged  ::)

I did think it was an odd OP "subject", and also that the 4 or 5 replies didn't offer anything particularly close to C&C. My thinking was something like:,
"Well, this guy is looking for feedback, and hasn't gotten anything but friendly banter so far, so perhaps my 2¢ would 'get the ball rolling'. "
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 05, 2013, 02:04:26 PM
As I mentioned elsewhere on LuLa, this day has been one blessed with air coming up from the Sahara, air laden with bits of the eponymous desert itself.

Bad enough the mess created on my clean little car last night, this pre-Easter testing of a flourishing of sails against the yellow-laden sky seemed so sad and pointless that I decided to photograph it with the help of my portable telephone (write that thirty years ago and they'd put you in a 'secure' home).

The flashing of colour is driven by the hope of milking many tourists from the end of this month until forever, or at least the end of September. The people in the wetsuits probably won't be here later on. At any rate, they make a welcome change from the cycling men-in-lycra who strutt their gender in the few bars now open. They certainly walk the walk in those fashionable shoes. It wouldn't be so bad if they just sat in the bars; the trouble is when they take to the road: they have no idea that the white line at the kerb is supposed to keep them away from the space reserved for motor vehicles. Several get killed every year; in some countries it's wild animals, here it's mainly cats and cyclists.

Nature finds its balance.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: l_d_allan on March 05, 2013, 03:14:50 PM
Basically, I thought it might be nice to have a spot where we can hang pix that aren't looking for 'critique', that exist just for the hell of it, and seemed to be a good idea at the time they were sketched.

Interesting ...

My wife's hobby is drawing/painting, and she is quite good at it. She is an active participant on www.wetcanvas.com. She's mentioned there are two separate "User Critiques"-like sub-forums. I believe one allows "constructive criticism". The other allows "constructive encouragement only".

My impression is that your "Without Prejudice" thread(s) would be more or less the equivalent of the "constructive encouragement only" sub-forum. I suppose that "deafening silence" from members not making replies would provide a gentle form of "constructive criticism".

Mea culpa ... the guy in the mirror thinks he wants plenty of constructive criticism, but so far hasn't posted any images. Hmmm?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: pegelli on March 05, 2013, 03:18:15 PM
This way please

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on March 05, 2013, 03:49:24 PM
... I suppose that "deafening silence" from members not making replies would provide a gentle form of "constructive criticism".

Nope.

That would be true (up to a point, of course) for the regular User Critique forum. This thread's original intent was to avoid precisely that type of interpretation (or any other interpretation which would fit into: "here is what I think you should do/have done instead").
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 05, 2013, 04:33:04 PM
Nope.

That would be true (up to a point, of course) for the regular User Critique forum. This thread's original intent was to avoid precisely that type of interpretation (or any other interpretation which would fit into: "here is what I think you should do/have done instead").





That's exactly it!

There's no problem with comments here, just so long as they don't amount to 'advice' which becomes a pain in the ass. Trouble is, that's the sort of comment that most folks seem to find easy to make. Anyone can make comments about how absolutely anyone else has ever shot any image and how it could have been shot in a better way, and they do; it's just nice to have somewhere removed from that.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on March 05, 2013, 05:27:49 PM
Rob's "Hole in One" and Pieter's "This Way Please" are two more that I like much better than "Rhein II."

As for how to improve them,....    ;D  :D  ::)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 06, 2013, 04:46:53 AM
Rob's "Hole in One" and Pieter's "This Way Please" are two more that I like much better than "Rhein II."

As for how to improve them,....    ;D  :D  ::)


Now that's fair, unbiased comment! ;-)

In order to improve them, the pix, I have to think you refer to marketability, in which case I suggest we need to organize the outside world a little more to our advantage. I think my daughter left the Godfather DVDs behind last time she came to visit; I shall look again there for hints.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chris Calohan on March 06, 2013, 11:31:09 AM
I was going back through some images I've recently shot and ran across this, I guess it would be called a "Redneck Christmas Creche."

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8512/8534676970_d3497b02f7_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chris Calohan on March 06, 2013, 01:15:18 PM
More to date:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8507/8534677080_554781d6ce_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: John R on March 06, 2013, 10:12:15 PM
A few closer to home. Went on two outings with the club to get some "architecture" shots. So I helped teach what visual design is all about. And when you practice what you have learned you can see subjects as elements within a picture space and hopefully arrange them beyond the standard view. And by the way, does anyone know what has happened to the original "Without prejudice?"

1
(http://johnroias.smugmug.com/Other/Port-Hope-and-Cobourg/i-vJNc79q/0/M/Dec%2013-12%20City%20Hall-TO%20111%20copybw-grainy1400px-M.jpg) (http://johnroias.smugmug.com/Other/Port-Hope-and-Cobourg/21767534_BPMqWQ#!i=2393101738&k=vJNc79q&lb=1&s=A)

2
(http://johnroias.smugmug.com/Other/Port-Hope-and-Cobourg/i-Nzf9Zzf/0/M/March%204-13%20Humber%20V%20church%20145%20smugcopy-M.jpg) (http://johnroias.smugmug.com/Other/Port-Hope-and-Cobourg/21767534_BPMqWQ#!i=2396677149&k=Nzf9Zzf&lb=1&s=A)

3
(http://johnroias.smugmug.com/Other/Port-Hope-and-Cobourg/i-WMrBXRS/0/M/March%204-13%20Humber%20V%20church%20230%20smugcopy-M.jpg) (http://johnroias.smugmug.com/Other/Port-Hope-and-Cobourg/21767534_BPMqWQ#!i=2396678109&k=WMrBXRS&lb=1&s=A)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Richowens on March 07, 2013, 01:03:51 AM
Hi John,
The original is still here. Chris started another to prevent a database problem.
The original "Professional Works" thread in Mediium Format forum reached page 220 and would only display a blank page. Chris went back a page or two
and started a new thread which overlapped the old one.

Since "Without Prejudice" enjoyed much the same popularity and was growing in leaps and bound, Chris created 2 to ensure continuity.

Rich
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 07, 2013, 10:56:37 AM
Atavistic reaction, of course.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chris Calohan on March 07, 2013, 08:50:07 PM
Play Ball

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8107/8538549278_1ff629d58a_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: John R on March 07, 2013, 09:45:07 PM
Re Play Ball: Great shot Chris. Not many people think of portraying reality this way.

John R
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 08, 2013, 09:44:08 AM
A week or so ago I was sitting in the car wondering whether to risk the monsoon and go for lunch; today, the first signs of spring come out to tease one.. but I don't trust them! They always prove false.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chris Calohan on March 08, 2013, 10:09:35 AM
Helluva tease, Rob!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on March 08, 2013, 03:33:31 PM
Helluva tease, Rob!
It sure is. And I just finished shoveling out some 15" of wet, heavy snow (the forecast at one point predicted 4-8"). Spring? Winter is just settling in here.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on March 08, 2013, 03:38:09 PM
It sure is. And I just finished shoveling out some 15" of wet, heavy snow (the forecast at one point predicted 4-8"). Spring? Winter is just settling in here.

You mean the type the media dubbed "heart-attack snow?" Careful there, man! ;)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on March 08, 2013, 09:08:04 PM
You mean the type the media dubbed "heart-attack snow?" Careful there, man! ;)
Yup!
I just spent the morning in the ER with what turned out to be a kidney stone (more painful than hand-holding an 11x14" Deardorff), and I had to shovel out one car so my wife could drive to the pharmacy to get my pain meds. A fun day in all.
No heart attack yet, and the pain meds do work.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: wolfnowl on March 08, 2013, 11:32:07 PM
Helluva tease, Rob!
That's for sure!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 09, 2013, 04:20:53 AM
Yup!
I just spent the morning in the ER with what turned out to be a kidney stone (more painful than hand-holding an 11x14" Deardorff), and I had to shovel out one car so my wife could drive to the pharmacy to get my pain meds. A fun day in all.
No heart attack yet, and the pain meds do work.




And that's no joke!

We used to burn up to three tons of wood in a bad year just to keep the apartment dry and the living area warm. After the first heart attack the cardio said no wheelbarrow work, which meant that the ton that was delivered each time could no longer be carted by myself from where it got dumped in the carpark, some seventy-five paces away from the corner of the garden where the wood was kept neatly stacked (I had been a boy scout…). Consequently, I had to pay the delivery guy to do that for me, and it ended up costing €400 a pop. €1200 a year on wood is quite expensive, considering one also has to pay for sky-high electricity for all the other heating, lighting, cooking and tv and computers etc. etc.

The best option, all things considered, is to have frequent check-ups before you have any symptoms. I wish I’d heeded my own advice, but it does prove that you often have to make your own mistakes.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chris Calohan on March 09, 2013, 07:51:25 AM
I get a checkup twice a year. My cardio has me doing the dreaded treadmill twice a year as well even though I am totally asymptomatic of any heart disease. But, me thinks when reading stories such as yours, perhaps the preventive medicine is the best route afterall.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 09, 2013, 08:03:11 AM
I get a checkup twice a year. My cardio has me doing the dreaded treadmill twice a year as well even though I am totally asymptomatic of any heart disease. But, me thinks when reading stories such as yours, perhaps the preventive medicine is the best route afterall.



Yes, going for check-ups does help, but there's much that you can do for yourself before medics have to step in with advice: FWIW I'd say cut out cheese, processed delicatessen meats, booze, pastries containing suet, cigarettes (which nobody sane should even consider these days!), colas and absolutely all animal fats.

For a while, you'll believe that everything you could possibly enjoy is bad for you; and you are probably right!

But better to live modestly and enjoy your time without being victim to your own excesses, when so many of them can be avoided with but a modicum of willpower.

;-)

Rob C


P.S. As I was leaving hospital after the first event, I was told that sex was definitely good for one... what they didn't mention was that some of the meds you end up taking for the rest of your life think otherwise.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Mjollnir on March 09, 2013, 10:07:59 AM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8386/8515108109_882c846a1f_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/8515108109/)
PLOH, SF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/8515108109/) by tanngrisnir3 (http://www.flickr.com/people/[email protected]/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Bruce Cox on March 09, 2013, 12:08:19 PM
I need to either copy-write [should have been "copyright"] it or learn to keep my thumb out of the lens.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 10, 2013, 05:57:05 AM
I need to either copy-write it or learn to keep my thumb out of the lens.



I've looked and looked, but I see no thumb signature. Not even an X!

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Bruce Cox on March 10, 2013, 10:38:54 AM


I've looked and looked, but I see no thumb signature. Not even an X!

;-)

Rob C

I doctored the lower left corner to cover up an orange thumb.  I then came up with the unnecessary comment conflating thumb prints and copyrights.  Then I improved the doctored corner a good bit, but neglected to drop the bullshit comment.  Thanks for not seeing it.

Bruce
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chris Calohan on March 10, 2013, 11:01:36 AM


Yes, going for check-ups does help, but there's much that you can do for yourself before medics have to step in with advice: FWIW I'd say cut out cheese, processed delicatessen meats, booze, pastries containing suet, cigarettes (which nobody sane should even consider these days!), colas and absolutely all animal fats.

For a while, you'll believe that everything you could possibly enjoy is bad for you; and you are probably right!

But better to live modestly and enjoy your time without being victim to your own excesses, when so many of them can be avoided with but a modicum of willpower.

;-)


Rob C


P.S. As I was leaving hospital after the first event, I was told that sex was definitely good for one... what they didn't mention was that some of the meds you end up taking for the rest of your life think otherwise.

And for all that's what its worth, my best friend, who never smoked, ran three miles every day, ate the best diet I think I 've ever known anyone to eat, dropped dead in his kitchen making a fruit & yogurt smoothie (he was 58). Even with his healthy ways, he was blocked more than 95% in every major aortic artery. Way more than 65% of all cardiac disease is genetic. My great aunt died at age 92 while trying to ride her tricycle up a steep hill. She did die of cardiac failure. She smoked a pack of chesterfield's (unfiltered) about every two days and never missed a hot toddy at night. She always ate whatever she wanted and exercized sparingly except for the trike which she used weekly to go to the corner grocer. She and her sisters, all of whom lived well into their 90's had good genes as does my mother who is still cranking right along at 88. And so it goes.

As to the pills you take to not cack from a heart attack also stopping other physical pleasures...that's what they make the little blue pills for.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chris Calohan on March 10, 2013, 11:03:55 AM
Re Play Ball: Great shot Chris. Not many people think of portraying reality this way.

John R

Thanks, John. I like this one for the same reason.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 10, 2013, 12:20:53 PM
And for all that's what its worth, my best friend, who never smoked, ran three miles every day, ate the best diet I think I 've ever known anyone to eat, dropped dead in his kitchen making a fruit & yogurt smoothie (he was 58). Even with his healthy ways, he was blocked more than 95% in every major aortic artery. Way more than 65% of all cardiac disease is genetic. My great aunt died at age 92 while trying to ride her tricycle up a steep hill. She did die of cardiac failure. She smoked a pack of chesterfield's (unfiltered) about every two days and never missed a hot toddy at night. She always ate whatever she wanted and exercized sparingly except for the trike which she used weekly to go to the corner grocer. She and her sisters, all of whom lived well into their 90's had good genes as does my mother who is still cranking right along at 88. And so it goes.

As to the pills you take to not cack from a heart attack also stopping other physical pleasures...that's what they make the little blue pills for.


Exceptions to every rule, indeed, but I still don't like the idea of skydiving!

Regarding blue pills: living alone now it's academic; if not living alone, from the selfish perspective I can think of few greater disincentives towards copulative delight than needing to benefit from them. Alternatively, from any partner's perspective, what a blow to think your mate has to be doped in order to find you exciting enough to light his candle!

Maybe there is something to skydiving after all!

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chris Calohan on March 10, 2013, 01:06:33 PM
Indeed!  ;D
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Patricia Sheley on March 18, 2013, 12:43:51 AM
...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on March 18, 2013, 01:00:50 PM
...
Another piece of sheer magic!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 18, 2013, 02:57:01 PM
I'm finally losing it: I see a woman's torso.

But then I am suffering from 'flu right now. My wife would have called it a cold.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: nemo295 on March 21, 2013, 11:59:01 AM
West Span of the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge in fog.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Bruce Cox on March 21, 2013, 08:40:09 PM
The air looks suspended and balanced as well as the bridge.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Patricia Sheley on March 22, 2013, 01:39:51 AM
...pleasant dreams
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Patricia Sheley on March 25, 2013, 12:53:36 AM
Enfold..
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: kikashi on March 25, 2013, 05:19:09 AM
A few closer to home. Went on two outings with the club to get some "architecture" shots. So I helped teach what visual design is all about. And when you practice what you have learned you can see subjects as elements within a picture space and hopefully arrange them beyond the standard view.

I love the first one, John.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on March 25, 2013, 09:27:33 AM
Enfold..

Patricia, I saw your first, color, version late last night, too tired to respond how much I like it, how much it is "my" type of photograph, leaving it for the next day. I see now that you replaced it with a b&w version (or perhaps even a different photograph). For me, it creates a completely different impression, and is one of those cases where color is so much better. Amy chance to see it again?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on March 25, 2013, 10:12:08 AM
Patricia,

I love "Unwake."
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Patricia Sheley on March 25, 2013, 10:17:39 AM
Patricia, I saw your first, color, version late last night,...  Any chance to see it again?

Slobodan, was in the process last night of packing a four day trekking back pack for a hike along a coastal area of Maine. I reserve a room at the end of the hike for laptop,xHD and a folder or two of things I've been thinking about. Was sipping a warm beverage before turning in, and sat with this for a while ...things have a way of settling down and emerging when I return to one this way. The bw bookplate is a way of seeing it for future seeing...and why I posted it here..just thought it might hold some thought triggers for others. I find myself wondering of late if it is really fair of me to inflict this on members here...My sense of discretion seems to evaporate at the edge of sleep.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chris Calohan on March 25, 2013, 10:28:42 AM
I have to disagree with Slobodan on this one but likely for completely different reasons. the B&W look to me more like an aerial view of of a great rift in the earth's crust whereas the color version, for what it is, is to me a nice composition with nice colors. I think this depends on which one you see first.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: David Eckels on March 26, 2013, 10:48:39 AM
I find myself wondering of late if it is really fair of me to inflict this on members here.
It's not an infliction, it is teaching for some of us. I appreciate it!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chris Calohan on March 26, 2013, 10:56:08 AM
This is one of those fun shots we all tend to make. Sometimes it's just because it makes us smile, other times, just because. After I made the original, while it was a pretty spiffy image, I got to playing a bit with the image and came to this end. I took a print of both to the owner of the lift box company yesterday afternoon and he liked them so much, he hired me to shoot an inventory of all his machines, I presume for insurance reasons. Kind of neat to have you cake and get to eat it, too.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8093/8591726627_dc7991b636_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 28, 2013, 11:32:54 AM
Easter, so just in case any tourist gets too confident, a little cloud blooms above the sea...

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: francois on March 28, 2013, 12:28:03 PM
Easter, so just in case any tourist gets too confident, a little cloud blooms above the sea...

;-)

Rob C

Here, it's almost snowing…  :D
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 28, 2013, 01:06:12 PM
Here, it's almost snowing…  :D


Well, at least then you can almost ski; I 'almost' skied on snow several times and also on the ocean with as little expertise or style. Guess I was never designed to be athletic: too concerned about staying in one piece and never did appreciate fishy enemas or pointy icicles.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: francois on March 28, 2013, 02:29:54 PM

Well, at least then you can almost ski; I 'almost' skied on snow several times and also on the ocean with as little expertise or style. Guess I was never designed to be athletic: too concerned about staying in one piece and never did appreciate fishy enemas or pointy icicles.

Rob C

Well, finally we got sleet and then rain… So no alpine style ski and for ski on the lake, water is too cold… By then way, I vote for pointy icicles  :D

Taken last week… I guess that you don't get snow too often in your region, sometimes I'm envious!

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 28, 2013, 03:01:57 PM
Hey, that's a nice snow shot!

We get snow sometimes, usually over about 600 metres, and that always means closed mountain roads. Trouble is, where people are not accustomed to snow/ice on the roads, they don't realise just how out of control it can make your vehicle become. Its just the same with rain: if it comes after a long summer drought, the oil and road grease that suddenly gets wet is lethal, and the tailgaters are something to wonder at - if you aren't on the same bit of road.

But, rain, hail, snow or ice, nothing is as frightening as the cyclists-in-lycra: they have no idea at all about white lines, roundabouts and borders.  I am sure they are all on drugs from the moment they board their flights out here. Pity we can't send them all to Cyprus instead.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 28, 2013, 04:10:14 PM
One for Walter.

As the skies got darker, Hassy just got lighter!

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on March 28, 2013, 04:15:55 PM
Fascinating shot Rob!

Very Euro approach in my opinion.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: David Eckels on March 28, 2013, 05:08:49 PM
One for Walter.
Terrific shot!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: cmi on March 28, 2013, 06:16:01 PM
Pretty much my only "serious" image last year, not really in the mood of shooting anything right now...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on March 28, 2013, 06:41:45 PM
Pretty much my only "serious" image last year, not really in the mood of shooting anything right now...

Too bad... this looks promising.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chris Calohan on March 28, 2013, 07:21:25 PM
Slobodan! I see you've dug out of all the snow.  ;D
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: cmi on March 28, 2013, 07:30:05 PM
Too bad... this looks promising.

You know, I was often too eager to get "something good", resulting in wild snapping of pretty much trivial stuff :) Its about gaining distance from that mindless shooting, about looking. So the break is quite good for me :)

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on March 28, 2013, 07:38:36 PM
Slobodan! I see you've dug out of all the snow.  ;D

And replaced it with ice! ;)

Ice formations on Lake Superior, Minnesota, early morning, three days ago:
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 29, 2013, 05:10:53 AM
What a difference a continent makes!

Whilst in the States Slobodan struggles with icy survival, here in southern Europe, cradle of civilization, the world accelerates at unprecedented pace: yesterday brought you the new pocket Hasselblad 500 Series, with today marking the unveiling of the even newer Leica Matchbox Color, its unique selling feature being that you can be pretending to strike a light whilst actually sneaking a shot. Really hot.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: RSL on March 29, 2013, 12:24:48 PM
Hi Rob, You've been putting some great cell shots on here. Wish I could see them a bit larger. How about making your max dimension 8 inches when you post 'em?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 29, 2013, 01:29:56 PM
Hi Rob, You've been putting some great cell shots on here. Wish I could see them a bit larger. How about making your max dimension 8 inches when you post 'em?


Hi Russ,

Thanks for the kind remark!

Maybe, though, that's why I keep 'em maxed at 600 pixels: could break up if I go larger, but I don't know for sure because I seldom see them large. Also, I find that I have to reduce them to around that same published size when I work on them: if I go larger I seem to lose the ability to keep the shapes controlled in my head, and have to scan a bit... Hope it's not tunnel vision creeping in on top of everything else!

Thanks again -

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 29, 2013, 01:39:26 PM
Okay, now for the Secret Agent Spy Camera adaptor that fits inside one of the beads hanging at the back of the bandana: the trick is that you make the exposure as you're walking away. Who would think!

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on March 29, 2013, 01:44:06 PM
Hi Rob, You've been putting some great cell shots on here. Wish I could see them a bit larger. How about making your max dimension 8 inches when you post 'em?
I second the motion.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 29, 2013, 01:48:23 PM
I second the motion.



It's a friggin' conspiracy!

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on March 29, 2013, 07:32:33 PM

It's a friggin' conspiracy!

;-)

Rob C
At least we're not asking you to get one of those humongous MF (i.e., Moster Fotomachines) to give us 20 meter by 50 meter panoramas.
 :D
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 30, 2013, 04:40:17 AM
At least we're not asking you to get one of those humongous MF (i.e., Moster Fotomachines) to give us 20 meter by 50 meter panoramas.
 :D




Lesson #1 from School of Hard Knocks: He who giveth an inch shall lose a ...

On to something completely different: I watched the opening scenes from No Country for Old Men last night - I always seemed to have missed them before (I didn't stay up to watch much of the rest because I'd caught that on several earlier attempts) - and I have to say, the early dawn shots are spectacular, especially in how they avoid all of that stlls photography obsession with maximum detail in shadows, etc. One shot in particular, of some broken-down posts with wires, blew the top of my head open. It was also amazing how pure black silhouettes of mountains can be so dramatic. Sometimes, huge DR isn't everyone's best friend. Trouble is, it's a discipline that seems to require a lot of early morning starts... can't cheat by using sunsets because the air ain't clean and you lose the effect of starkness. Leica M6 and Velvia 50, anyone?

I've remarked before that cinematographers often have a far more exciting take on landscape than any regular landscape shooter's work with which I'm familiar. There's a greater sense of dynamics, a williingness to use OTT framing ideas that seem to be anathema to stills people. As I mentioned, especially noticed last night was the use of absolute blacks, which currently cause great anxiety amongst some posters here on LuLa this weather.

Go to the movies - even if you stay at home!

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on March 30, 2013, 08:32:13 AM


 Sometimes, huge DR isn't everyone's best friend.

Rob C

The limitations of film were it's very magic. Frankly most HDR and huge Dr render very anonymous pictures.


Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 30, 2013, 01:17:04 PM
Well, for better of for worse, this is the first effort with the new-old 2/35mm AIS Nikkor wide open at f2. As I said, for better or for worse. Not sure if that's hellish fall-off or just the subject... oh well, 'painterly' covers a lot of sins.

;-)

Rob C

P.S. This is strange: all the shots made with the cellphone open on clicking as enlarged images in the original space below the post. This new camera shot, for some reason I don't grasp, doesn't do that: it opens up in a separate window... could that be because it's a bit larger than normal for me? If so, it's back to 600 pixels over the picture!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rocco Penny on March 30, 2013, 01:50:54 PM
also you must make sure you have the text sized at 100% for the photo to display correctly-
text size= picture zoom for you hard of hearing types
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rocco Penny on March 30, 2013, 01:52:10 PM
and finally, without noticing, I've become a fan of cellphone vs Nikon
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 30, 2013, 02:13:05 PM
also you must make sure you have the text sized at 100% for the photo to display correctly-
text size= picture zoom for you hard of hearing types



The text is at 100% - I just deleted the pic and then put it back, but nothing has changed. I'll go back into PS and see what it tells me...

Rob C

P.S. Everything at 100% but solves nothing.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: cmi on March 30, 2013, 03:18:56 PM
This is strange: all the shots made with the cellphone open on clicking as enlarged images in the original space below the post. This new camera shot, for some reason I don't grasp, doesn't do that: it opens up in a separate window... could that be because it's a bit larger than normal for me? If so, it's back to 600 pixels over the picture!

Yes from some pixelsize on it opens in a separate window, thats normal. I really like looking at your images by the way, and also the thread, its refreshing :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 30, 2013, 03:24:58 PM
Yes from some pixelsize on it opens in a separate window, thats normal. I really like looking at your images by the way, and also the thread, its refreshing :)




Oh - I didn't know that size would affect the way an image is shown other than just the visible enlargement; I'll bear that in mind!

Glad you enjoy the pix; I think the thread is quite useful, too, if only because it saves a lot of argument.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: RSL on March 30, 2013, 04:06:50 PM
You've got it, Rob. Now, start sizing these fine pictures 6 inches on the long side and they'll open in separate windows so we really can get a look at them.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Riaan van Wyk on April 02, 2013, 02:36:47 PM
Been spending quite a bit of time in the sea lately, yesterday for the third time in as many weeks a wave broke over the camera- this time it was a bad one and the remote socket filled with water, causing the socket to short circuit. It happens now and again. Anyway, this photo was taken by the camera while I was manhandling the tripod to get it out of the water.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on April 02, 2013, 05:21:03 PM
Been spending quite a bit of time in the sea lately, yesterday for the third time in as many weeks a wave broke over the camera- this time it was a bad one and the remote socket filled with water, causing the socket to short circuit. It happens now and again. Anyway, this photo was taken by the camera while I was manhandling the tripod to get it out of the water.



Which now puts an end to this nonsense that it isn't the camera that makes the pictures!

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on April 02, 2013, 06:16:12 PM
I love that photo, Riaan! Must have been expensive, though.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Riaan van Wyk on April 04, 2013, 03:22:45 PM
Haha Rob, maybe I need to try this more often..

Eric, the camera seems to have survived the ordeal, if it dies it's one of those things. Stuff ( and rogue waves) happen.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: John R on April 04, 2013, 05:47:54 PM
I love that photo, Riaan! Must have been expensive, though.

Indeed, let form and light play!

JMR
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: cmi on April 08, 2013, 06:10:14 PM
Been spending quite a bit of time in the sea lately, yesterday for the third time in as many weeks a wave broke over the camera- this time it was a bad one and the remote socket filled with water, causing the socket to short circuit. It happens now and again. Anyway, this photo was taken by the camera while I was manhandling the tripod to get it out of the water.

..wich reminds me that sometimes I got excellent pictures by accidental snaps, not even looking through the finder. Sometimes too much thought can kill an image and often it is exactly the error, the unintended, wich leads to something beautiful and unexpected.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: John R on April 08, 2013, 09:14:49 PM
Colour my world: that is the song that came to mind when I finally got to see and edit these.

JMR

(http://johnroias.smugmug.com/Other/Pictorials/i-MNDNsdF/0/M/April%207-13%20Allen%20Gardens%20118%20smugcopy-M.jpg) (http://johnroias.smugmug.com/Other/Pictorials/6157147_wZQ4vV#!i=2447720972&k=MNDNsdF&lb=1&s=A)

(http://johnroias.smugmug.com/Other/Pictorials/i-VLS4L8R/0/M/April%207-13%20Allen%20Gardens%20182%20smugcopy-M.jpg) (http://johnroias.smugmug.com/Other/Pictorials/6157147_wZQ4vV#!i=2447721001&k=VLS4L8R&lb=1&s=A)

(http://johnroias.smugmug.com/Other/Pictorials/i-MrKbXtg/0/M/April%207-13%20Allen%20Gardens%20129%20smugcopy-M.jpg) (http://johnroias.smugmug.com/Other/Pictorials/6157147_wZQ4vV#!i=2447721000&k=MrKbXtg&lb=1&s=A)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on April 09, 2013, 04:36:30 AM
The one in the middle is beautiful - love that blue!

For me, sharpness of a blur doesn't usually work, but in that blue one it works very nicely.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on April 09, 2013, 09:43:33 AM
They're all nice, but I agree with Rob.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Harald L on April 09, 2013, 11:03:24 AM
Been spending quite a bit of time in the sea lately, yesterday for the third time in as many weeks a wave broke over the camera- this time it was a bad one and the remote socket filled with water, causing the socket to short circuit. It happens now and again. Anyway, this photo was taken by the camera while I was manhandling the tripod to get it out of the water.

Note to myself: Never buy used equipment from Riaan van Wyk.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: John R on April 09, 2013, 09:34:19 PM
The one in the middle is beautiful - love that blue!

For me, sharpness of a blur doesn't usually work, but in that blue one it works very nicely.

Rob C
Thanks for the feedback, Rob and Eric. I didn't realize they were that sharp. A friend taught me a new way to sharpen images, so I tried it. But I see, perhaps he meant for projection purposes. I will have to revisit these, as I don't usually sharpen most of my motion technique images, except where appropriate.

JMR
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Riaan van Wyk on April 10, 2013, 02:24:22 AM
Note to myself: Never buy used equipment from Riaan van Wyk.

I wouldn't either! But then again, my stuff is old, I'd feel ashamed to even offer it for sale.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Riaan van Wyk on April 10, 2013, 02:28:23 AM
Colour my world: that is the song that came to mind when I finally got to see and edit these.

JMR

(http://johnroias.smugmug.com/Other/Pictorials/i-MNDNsdF/0/M/April%207-13%20Allen%20Gardens%20118%20smugcopy-M.jpg) (http://johnroias.smugmug.com/Other/Pictorials/6157147_wZQ4vV#!i=2447720972&k=MNDNsdF&lb=1&s=A)

(http://johnroias.smugmug.com/Other/Pictorials/i-VLS4L8R/0/M/April%207-13%20Allen%20Gardens%20182%20smugcopy-M.jpg) (http://johnroias.smugmug.com/Other/Pictorials/6157147_wZQ4vV#!i=2447721001&k=VLS4L8R&lb=1&s=A)

(http://johnroias.smugmug.com/Other/Pictorials/i-MrKbXtg/0/M/April%207-13%20Allen%20Gardens%20129%20smugcopy-M.jpg) (http://johnroias.smugmug.com/Other/Pictorials/6157147_wZQ4vV#!i=2447721000&k=MrKbXtg&lb=1&s=A)

Very nice as per usual John. I was in the garden this past weekend shooting butterflies and wondered about shooting something like this- you have given me the inspiration to at least try!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on April 10, 2013, 08:56:15 AM
I wouldn't either! But then again, my stuff is old, I'd feel ashamed to even offer it for sale.


Smetime late in the pre-digital era I realized that not one of the six or so cameras I then owned had been in manufacture for at least thirty years.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on April 10, 2013, 11:43:09 AM
Smetime late in the pre-digital era I realized that not one of the six or so cameras I then owned had been in manufacture for at least thirty years.



Were you the happier man prior to, or post that Damascene moment?

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on April 10, 2013, 03:47:49 PM
I'm not normally one for photographing 'Street', nor architecture, but this is an attempt to conflate the two - taken earlier today on a visit to Bath

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on April 10, 2013, 04:25:51 PM

Were you the happier man prior to, or post that Damascene moment?

Rob C
At the time I think I was happy that my cameras could last that long and still shoot well. Then I went over to the Dark Side (i.e., D*g*tal), and soon realized that by the time one figured out how to use a new camera, it was already obsolete in the eyes of the Pixel Peepers.

Now I'm quite pleased with my Canon 5DII and my Canon S95, and I don't miss the 8x10 view camera, or even the 4x5 at all. I still sometimes lust after the Mamiya 6 (my last real film camera) or even my Kodak Retina 3C, but I have no desire to go back to sloshing films or prints in toxic chemicals.

Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on April 10, 2013, 04:26:55 PM
Ch Bill: I love your Archi-Street shot!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: nemo295 on April 16, 2013, 06:25:03 PM
Transamerica Pyramid in fog, 2.14.13
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on April 17, 2013, 01:42:40 PM
Spooky image, Doug; are you sure this shouldn't have been posted in the 'Cars' thread? Have to admit, though, I can see a Pontiac absolutely nowhere, so I might be mistake about that.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: nemo295 on April 17, 2013, 07:12:41 PM
Spooky image, Doug; are you sure this shouldn't have been posted in the 'Cars' thread? Have to admit, though, I can see a Pontiac absolutely nowhere, so I might be mistake about that.


Given the "noir" feel of the image, I'd say it's more likely there's a Packard or a Pierce-Arrow hiding in that fog.   ;)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on April 18, 2013, 02:32:54 PM
Sa Pobla main square; you hear as much Arabic as Spanish these days. I wonder what the trees think when they leaf through the years... repetition of history, no doubt.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on April 18, 2013, 05:00:23 PM
Are the trees that old?

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on April 18, 2013, 05:46:22 PM
Are the trees that old?




They didn't say...

Secretive planes - you know what they're like: lie about anything.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Riaan van Wyk on April 19, 2013, 01:46:15 PM
Smetime late in the pre-digital era I realized that not one of the six or so cameras I then owned had been in manufacture for at least thirty years.


Now THAT is old. Eric by "old" I meant that my stuff is about six years young, in the digital age they are dinosaurs and open to comments like " shucks are those still around?" and " you know there are cameras with two million percent better DR and ISO capabillities etc waffle waffle.."

The cameras are appliances to me, wish I could contribute in the other thread about character but I have no knowledge or experience with cameras that could instill the sense of pride that I see everyone writes about. I could write lots about a 1947 Series 2A Willys Jeep, '76 Landcruisers but nothing about a recent model Toyota Corolla.    
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on April 19, 2013, 02:59:06 PM
Now THAT is old. Eric by "old" I meant that my stuff is about six years young, in the digital age they are dinosaurs and open to comments like " shucks are those still around?" and " you know there are cameras with two million percent better DR and ISO capabillities etc waffle waffle.."

The cameras are appliances to me, wish I could contribute in the other thread about character but I have no knowledge or experience with cameras that could instill the sense of pride that I see everyone writes about. I could write lots about a 1947 Series 2A Willys Jeep, '76 Landcruisers but nothing about a recent model Toyota Corolla.    


And you survived? Well, obviously you did. Did you fit a total roll-bar?

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Riaan van Wyk on April 19, 2013, 03:28:45 PM

And you survived? Well, obviously you did. Did you fit a total roll-bar?

Rob C

Roll bar?? What is that? If you wanted "protection," from bugs that is, you would flip up the the flimsy windscreen. 
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on April 20, 2013, 05:42:43 AM
This really is an office in a New South Wales country town:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v618/Sheetshooter/VileVile600.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Sheetshooter/media/VileVile600.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on April 20, 2013, 06:05:24 AM
Words fail me!

If ever there was a need for a name-change this must be it.

On the other hand, could it be brilliant, unforgettable marketing?

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on April 23, 2013, 09:43:08 AM
Word on the street: flavour of the month.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on April 23, 2013, 10:26:31 AM
Espalier fruit trees in a walled garden

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on April 23, 2013, 10:28:51 AM
Espalier fruit trees in a walled garden




You do this style well.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on April 23, 2013, 11:38:11 AM
Rob - thanks for the comment. Good to know I do something well!

Could you elaborate on what you mean by 'this style' - I think it's of a kind with something I posted in the Trees thread (reposted here for comparison with the espaliers photo), that is a semi-abstract, picking out patterns etc, but I'm aware you might have something else in mind

 
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on April 23, 2013, 02:13:27 PM
Rob - thanks for the comment. Good to know I do something well!

Could you elaborate on what you mean by 'this style' - I think it's of a kind with something I posted in the Trees thread (reposted here for comparison with the espaliers photo), that is a semi-abstract, picking out patterns etc, but I'm aware you might have something else in mind

 


That's exactly what I did mean, Bill; for me it's what lifts landscape from mere shot of beautiful view. It adds something by taking away. I suppose it's a sort of extreme cropping of the existing environment, a cutting away of the extraneous and concentration on the essence of whatever by making it something other than what it basically is.

I better be careful here: easy in this context to slide dangerously close to that word c********y, and that would never do!

;-)

Rob C

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on April 23, 2013, 02:22:59 PM
c********y? You say the nicest/nastiest/most interesting/boring things (delete according to whatever c********y actually means - I've no idea)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on April 23, 2013, 03:02:11 PM
c********y? You say the nicest/nastiest/most interesting/boring things (delete according to whatever c********y actually means - I've no idea)

The dreaded C word (for Rob)? Creativity?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on April 23, 2013, 03:26:59 PM
A couple for Rob,

Note the aspect ratio and guess the rest.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on April 23, 2013, 03:28:02 PM
The dreaded C word (for Rob)? Creativity?


I claim the protection of the 5th Amendment.

(I think.)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on April 23, 2013, 03:29:41 PM
PS Rob:  It doesn't hold a candle to its bigger siblings.

Cheers,

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on April 23, 2013, 03:31:15 PM
A couple for Rob,

Note the aspect ratio and guess the rest.




I love it!

Well done, Walter. I have been roaming the local wilderness this afternoon with my 2x3 format trying the mental trick of ignoring the extra third. I may have had some fortune (good) in that respect, but it awaits a later date for discovery.

Congrats on the baby! And no bathwater this time. Promise?

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on April 23, 2013, 03:32:19 PM
PS Rob:  It doesn't hold a candle to its bigger siblings.

Cheers,




Don't you fucking dare!

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on April 23, 2013, 03:45:54 PM
The day started well: I took the milk carton from the fridge and poured myself the right quantity to make the flakes edible, and then thought about filling the orange juice glass in order to wash down the first set of pills of the day.

On reopening the fridge I noted that the orange juice was finished, so I opened another fresh carton and poured a meaure into the glass. I now had milk in the flakes and milk in the glass. I then took another fresh carton, opened that, poured the milk from the glasss into the flakes, swirled it under the tap, and then poured myself some orange juice for the pills.

The fridge now contains two opened cartons of milk and one opened one of orange juice. God help me tomorrow morning. I trust that the jar of marmalade and the one of local honey will not seek to play a rôle in this saga of approaching new youthfulness.

With that in mind, I went out for lunch and a walk. It was bloody freezing again: sunny but windy as hell. On going back home I realised that the only thing to do was take myself back out with a different jacket and the D700 with its new/old 2/35mm appendage. Which I did. I was thinking Hasselblad 500 CM the while, and this is a memento from a moment when I forgot.

Have you  noticed how pleasant it is to listen to Van Morrison's Down the Road whilst you work at the computer?

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on April 23, 2013, 08:12:58 PM
Of course I won't Rob,

But it has been a wonderful opportunity to get things in perspective again.  I had been considering ditching a lot of the LF kit - but not now.

Will all your opened containers mean that all the fluids contained therein will form congealed skins in unison?

W
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: francois on April 24, 2013, 04:54:58 AM
Last week it was rainy and we even got some snow. I decided to stay inside in a nearby abbey…

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on April 24, 2013, 09:20:18 AM
Of course I won't Rob,

But it has been a wonderful opportunity to get things in perspective again.  I had been considering ditching a lot of the LF kit - but not now.

Will all your opened containers mean that all the fluids contained therein will form congealed skins in unison?W


Today it all went well in the breakfast kitchen, then I wrote you a lengthy reply to this post and the machine blew it into space. I keep on telling myself that I must not use the LuLa typing space provided, but that I should write in Word and then cut'n'paste, but in the heat of the moment I forget.

What can I say?

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on April 24, 2013, 10:06:08 AM
http://youtu.be/hDDqDWYAzCQ

Elsewhere on the pages of LuLa a discussion of the relative values of different language, and whether emotion does or does not translate quite as intended. I think it does.

Anyway, another 2/35mm adventure into the land of the 'should carry a tripod in order to focus the damned thing' country. It's one thing shooting at zillionths of a second, but quite another keeping the blood pumping through the veins without moving the rest of the edifice. I mean, the camera stays focussed, but I can't.

Oh well, summer's coming, they say.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on April 24, 2013, 12:45:14 PM
A tiny step into the mysteries of social mobility persuaded the faux Swedish lady to set her eyes on this.

Pity the owners of this property: they are blighted by ancient right of way and even the poor giant, black mutt has to live at the end of a short chain. In the years I've known him (he must be Mk3 or Mk4) his life consists of sleeping it all away. A guard dog without the ability to guard.

How terribly sad.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on April 24, 2013, 05:32:04 PM
As I forgot to switch on the electric blanket and it's turned damned cold again today, I might as well play about on the typist's chair until the bed becomes hospìtable, and do something to pass the couple of hours. I thought a little warning note on the use of Velvia might not be out of place.

Shot some many years ago, probably on the F4s, with my 3.5/35mm PC Nikkor, on Velvia which, combined with a polariser, was just too much of a good thing... Impossible to rescue in colour, it turned into something strikingly odd in black/white. I quite like it, in spite of its obvious limitations. I originally scanned this to see how the lens would look examined on a monitor rather than via a loupe; I opted to pass, and to buy a 2/35mm straight instead. Perhaps I should have gone for the PC. Maybe not.

Regardless, I still think that scanned, properly exposed colour tranny makes more effective b/white than digital; Kodachrome proved that to my personal satisfaction. Unfortunately, I don't have more than a couple of strips of b/white negs left with which to make further tests to see how that would have turned out.

Apparently the Tour d'Armagnac was a former prison.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on April 24, 2013, 07:40:47 PM
Quite wonderful Rob.

Oh, and if your electric blanket takes a couple of hours to get the bed hospitable, perhaps you should try plugging it in.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on April 25, 2013, 04:17:18 AM
Quite wonderful Rob.

Oh, and if your electric blanket takes a couple of hours to get the bed hospitable, perhaps you should try plugging it in.


Thank you, Walter.

I do wish - as too does Keith, apparently - that Nikon would finally make great, dependable wide shifters... it would be lovely to be able to use up the time left me wandering about until either I or the money runs out, visiting interesting places without programme. Of course, I'm joking: if either runs out then there would be no printing opportunity, even if actual paper printing isn't on the cards, but I'd at least like to see what I got up there on the monitor! That wasn't necessarily the case with models - the shoot was the buzz.

I am now convinced more than ever that doing the kind of shot above is pointless unless one can correct for verticals; I'm not much bothered by infinite DOF - never was - accepting the blur as part of the look/nature of the process, even a possible advantage at times, but I must confess a dislike for upwards or downwards convergence of buildings! As much as I didn't enjoy LF cameras, I guess certain plusses rubbed off.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on April 25, 2013, 04:53:37 AM
Rob,

I hear you.  I can appreciate the work of others who handle convergence and divergence in their stride but I have to confess the utmost difficulty untethering myself from Renaissance perspective.  Long live the view camera!!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on April 25, 2013, 11:05:19 AM
Just before I saw the old Beemer I came across this other sight: a once-loved craft and the (presumed) end of a love affair.

In the first shot the boat was up on the hard in the Yacht Club; in the lower shot it lies in a much cheaper slot outwith...

Crisis? What crisis? At least my memory works - in part.

Rob C

http://youtu.be/1wHHkrcr0eI
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on April 26, 2013, 03:44:33 PM
Another from the 2/35mm Nikkor AIS.

I know just how those little blighters feel, stuck on a lump of cement.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on April 28, 2013, 06:37:31 AM
Awoke to this this morning; decided with minimal internal conflict that I wasn't going to make my own lunch today, so I rang the restaurant to book a table for one, and there was no reply. Either the tourist season is so bad it's not worth opening on Sundays or they have my number on record and don't want to sacrifice a table for one, but anyway, I'm not staying home!

It's been much like this all week; lucky I shot my fake 'blad when I did!

;-)

Rob C


P.S.  It was open, and I enjoyed my meal. Pouring, so no walk, but you have to sacrifce something in life.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on April 28, 2013, 11:05:51 AM
Some more Polarized Velvia in France. F4s and 3.5/35mm PC.

aka How to make a dodgy technique yet more dodgy.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on April 28, 2013, 06:10:24 PM
Another Velvia in France; this time via 2.8/24mm AIS Nikkor stuck through a tight railing on a little bridge.

On which happy note, I'm off to my bed with a sore gut. Perhaps I should have stayed home for lunch.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 02, 2013, 09:43:50 AM
Passing thought.

Rob C

I like her...

http://youtu.be/w29BaEk0sC0
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 05, 2013, 06:13:53 PM
Summer might be back.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 06, 2013, 10:42:45 AM
Another square one from the protype Hasselfake D700 that I'm wont to cart about on those rare occasions when I forget what a weight all that stuff turns out to be two minutes after I get out of the car.

http://youtu.be/qO18k215gpk

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on May 06, 2013, 12:50:16 PM
You'd think they'd get a sign-writer who could spell Lifebuoy and Extinguisher, wouldn't you.  I mean, REALYY!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 06, 2013, 02:00:07 PM
You'd think they'd get a sign-writer who could spell Lifebuoy and Extinguisher, wouldn't you.  I mean, REALYY!


It's done on purpose to confuse the tourists: they wait until it's too late and either the boat catches fire, or sinks, or both. On the other hand, I suppose they may just be getting ready in case of a wave of protesters setting themselves alight this summer.

Extinguish them with a blow job in red, I suppose. Reminds me of a movie.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: John R on May 06, 2013, 02:33:46 PM
Taken today in well known High Park in Toronto, which is teeming with people because the Cherry trees are in blossom. So too are the Willows, and lovely they are!

JMR

(http://johnroias.smugmug.com/Other/High-Park-Toronto/i-Q85k74R/0/M/May%206-2013%20High%20Park%20123-M.jpg) (http://johnroias.smugmug.com/Other/High-Park-Toronto/26096993_pVXW6d#!i=2496767064&k=Q85k74R&lb=1&s=A)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 07, 2013, 01:37:40 PM
Marine finishes; my wood varnishing never turns out like this, regardless of coats... May as well give up ;-(

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on May 07, 2013, 04:13:26 PM
Rob,

Perfect that technique and apply it to the bedroom ceiling as an alternative to the "mirrors on the ceiling; pink champagne on ice" of that hotel in Californ-i-a.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 07, 2013, 04:52:54 PM
Rob,

Perfect that technique and apply it to the bedroom ceiling as an alternative to the "mirrors on the ceiling; pink champagne on ice" of that hotel in Californ-i-a.






Small problem Walter: what would I have to watch? (The tv lives in the sitting room.)

It's my least used room - probably ties with the kitchen in that respect. In fact, the most used one is the office where I spend the hours gazing through the LaCie. With my ears on, sad songs alternating with upbeat boogieish ones in my head, I pass the while away in distant lands while a hospital in Larose, Louisiana offers me early scans 'just in case' as the night wears along. Alternatively, I suppose I could give in to the offers of a wonderful deal from the car vendors... just like Chuck's "c'mon try it you can buy it you can pay me next week" adventures.

The sun has quite some heat in it now; the car is covered in dust and a single, white bird crap. A year ago that would have led to an instant wash for it. The kitchen is an assault course: some of the units have been emptied, washed, and one varnished; the rest are awaiting my second wind after this lot gets done... I never knew I had so much stuff hidden away; I just dumpoed a large plastic bag filled with many other empty plastic bags - I always thought they would come in useful. I hope I don't think of getting up tonight and going for a drink of anything: I'd break my neck in there. It scares me witless imagining the process if I actually get to sell the place. Probably kill me, sort of defeating the point of the exercise. Have you noticed how the space that you have is never enought to hold the shit that you have? And the less you buy, the more the problem seems to increase. There's definitely opportunity for academic research there. No, not in the kitchen, in the oddity of the phenomenon.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 09, 2013, 02:55:39 PM
Another Hasselfake shot from last Sunday - nobody knew there was a gig until three hours before... worse than photography as a way of life!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 12, 2013, 05:05:55 AM
Some agricultural thoughts. Okay, just the dissolution of the hand of Man in the landscape.

(Or simply some rotted wood, with salvation in the promise of fresh weeds.)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 13, 2013, 02:11:05 PM
A struggle for life, I suppose; isn't it always thus, regardless of how much you win?

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: wolfnowl on May 13, 2013, 09:59:44 PM
Life is inherently fatal, Rob... AND it's sexually transmitted!  :o

Mike.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 14, 2013, 04:26:58 AM
Life is inherently fatal, Rob... AND it's sexually transmitted!  :o

Mike.



I realise you say this mostly in jest, but isn't that truth just so sad?

I was stunned to hear about Angelina J on the news today; made me think of my own wife who lost her life to C around 4.5 years ago and I wondered whether Angelina's solution was any solution at all. In the cases of breast cancer that I've known about personally, it may start in a breast but doesn't necessarily cross over to the other but does have the ability to appear in different, unexpected areas. Seems very unpredictable and isn't even confined to a single type of tumour. In my wife's case, the three oncologists she had over the four years of it were unable to tell if it was hereditary or not; the best they could offer was that if it were, then it would probably have manifested itself at a younger age - say during the twenties. So little is known... I sort of find myself thinking that prevention à la Angelina is understandable but perhaps not any answer: you die anyway, of something, and perhaps leading a full life, even if shorter, is preferrable to a longer one less satisfying. You can't run the race twice, so will never know.

How the hell can any man be cruel to a woman?

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Mjollnir on May 14, 2013, 08:07:16 AM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7318/8734515099_9f606b1c6c_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/8734515099/)
Face on Hawthorne, Burned Out House (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/8734515099/) by tanngrisnir3 (http://www.flickr.com/people/[email protected]/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 16, 2013, 10:33:47 AM
Shot a couple of weeks ago or so, thought summer had arrived (at last!), but today it's dripping down and cold again. Snow today and yesterday in parts of Spain...

It can't last - can it?

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 17, 2013, 11:50:36 AM
Miserable day; gloom, and undercooked slice of breaded pork at lunch which I didn't realise was undercooked on one corner until about 4/5ths the way through. I detest risks with pork and fowl...

Anyway, simply to cheer myself up, I decided to forget the usual walk and go home just in case I felt sick. I didn't (feel sick), so instead, I took apart the camera and glued on the 500mm cat and took it walkies instead.

Together we braved the threat of rain and then bam! it came when I was happily trying to shoot some mad souls skimming across the slate-grey ocean. However, just before I surrendered to the superior force, I snatched this one of El Águila, which in some lights, is appropriately named. Usually, that's early in the afternoon on a summer's day with the sun shining on the left side.

What can you do? You take what you can get. Especially when you live on location.

;-)

Rob C

P.S. Wot! No doughnuts? I hear someone protest.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: wolfnowl on May 17, 2013, 11:11:15 PM
Beautiful!  Well worth the effort.

Mike.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Dahlmann on May 18, 2013, 01:28:18 AM
Yes I put the leafs on the rock =)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8280/8747387890_31ac3833ac_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/lexrasta/8747387890/)
Mt Buller (http://www.flickr.com/photos/lexrasta/8747387890/) by Daniel Dahlmann (http://www.flickr.com/people/lexrasta/), on Flickr



Cheers
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 18, 2013, 05:29:21 AM
Beautiful!  Well worth the effort.

Mike.



Thanks - been a while since I used the Cat; decided that all that money 'invested' (a personal in-joke!) in lenses really had to be justified by competing with the moths.

Problem is, taking these bulky objects out means a bag, a tripod etc. etc. and the fun aspect rapidly diminishes as one goes along the not so merry way. Worse is the bad weather, because that means taking the camera off the 'pod and then popping it back on again instead of just carrying the whole thing as a single piece of thing.

Thanks again -

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Bruce Cox on May 20, 2013, 09:01:34 AM
Here is a scene that wants mowing.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Richowens on May 20, 2013, 05:36:54 PM


(http://richowens.smugmug.com/Other/Scottish-Games/i-pKMrsJ2/0/L/DSC_8983-L.jpg)

  Soap seller
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 21, 2013, 11:15:28 AM
Okay, I like 6x6.

Unfortunately, this is 24mmx36mm and not even film...

Film would have given me the tones; this can't. I think I hate it more each day: a trading away of quality for convenience.

;-(

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 21, 2013, 03:00:05 PM
I like your version better than mine on the right cheek, but it makes it overall a bit more gloomy than I wanted it.

She's actually blonde -ish)...

;-)

Rob C


P.S. Where I find digital works least well (in this instance) is on the skin under the mouth: makes me think of porridge instead of skin.

P.P.S.  I'd rather folks would ask before using images; though within a general critique section, this thread/one isn't actually so.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 22, 2013, 04:04:40 AM
This is likely not what you were looking for, but as you say, it was convenient.

P.S.  I will presume approval is consent and that her left check is the right one. [See the fallowing]




No, approval of a change of look  is approval of an idea of how something might look; it is NOT approval of copying a work, especially one that carries an effing big COPYRIGHT declaration.

Please remove your infringement of my copyright.


Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 22, 2013, 09:40:46 AM
Thank you, Bruce.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on May 22, 2013, 04:49:28 PM
got a second look at these 2 oldies
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 23, 2013, 09:29:37 AM
Warhol was only partly right - here's to the next fifteen minutes.

Doughnuts redux. Garnished with sand.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on May 23, 2013, 09:40:13 AM
Rob.

I LOVE THIS IMAGE!

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Richowens on May 23, 2013, 12:01:51 PM
  Rob,

 WOW     You deserve a whole 24 hours for this one.

  Rich
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 23, 2013, 12:44:59 PM
Thanks, folks; the series only happened because one of our erstwhile contributors from Germany, Chris Feldhaim, came calling and we went up the mountains to Lluch. I'd never gone to the monastery there before - just driven past it en route elsewhere further away... The place was quite interesting, so I returned later and shot some trees and stuff.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on May 23, 2013, 08:40:48 PM
Excellent "stuff," Rob!

Eric M.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rocco Penny on May 23, 2013, 11:21:50 PM
Warhol was only partly right - here's to the next fifteen minutes.

Doughnuts redux. Garnished with sand.

Rob C

bitchin' quite!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 24, 2013, 04:44:55 AM
Thanks again, folks, time to make another coffee (from a jar) and face the day.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on May 24, 2013, 03:41:29 PM
Last Sunday I took some pictures of mountains in West Grosina Valley, exactly from the Sperella Valley, above the Casera (Valtelline Valley).
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: sdwilsonsct on May 24, 2013, 03:46:49 PM
Nice tree, RobC.

Muntanela: all good, #2 especially.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 25, 2013, 03:28:37 PM
A very early D200 shot. For some reason Nikon Capture NX2 doesn't want to let me find any of my old NEFs folders, and I only have access to the one most recently used; very frustrating indeed. Fortunately this was also filed as a Photoshop file and out of the NX2's grip! However, I can't tell which optic was on the camera; I'd guess either the 24mm or 50mm.

Anyway, shot from the terrace one day as we were sitting having a pre-luncheon G&T. Strangely, I actually remember doing the shot. Those were the days.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 27, 2013, 11:47:38 AM
For those with a little bit of memory for both film (Mickey Rourke) and music (Julie London).

http://youtu.be/jggh5bQAJaY

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: pegelli on May 27, 2013, 03:58:55 PM
The newest trend in photography, a rear-view mirror on your camera. I want one  :D

(http://pegelli.smugmug.com/Events/Dyxum-Wroclaw-May-2013/i-vW2jXCv/0/O/PEG_A850_09416_20130504-L.jpg) (http://pegelli.smugmug.com/Events/Dyxum-Wroclaw-May-2013/29313147_pRhjjp#!i=2533705154&k=vW2jXCv&lb=1&s=A)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on May 27, 2013, 04:03:09 PM
You are joking, but that is how I often shoot as well... prevents smudges on the screen.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on May 27, 2013, 07:34:46 PM
welcome
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on May 27, 2013, 07:35:28 PM
colors
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: pegelli on May 27, 2013, 11:39:49 PM
Peekaboo

(http://pegelli.smugmug.com/Events/Dyxum-Wroclaw-May-2013/i-GJ95jPh/0/O/PEG_A850_09332_20130503-L.jpg) (http://pegelli.smugmug.com/Events/Dyxum-Wroclaw-May-2013/29313147_pRhjjp#!i=2500312175&k=GJ95jPh&lb=1&s=A)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: nemo295 on May 28, 2013, 12:12:49 AM
Artichoke Flower

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: kikashi on May 28, 2013, 03:30:30 AM
Peekaboo

Cute. Well spotted.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on May 31, 2013, 01:10:06 PM
cat approved
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: pegelli on June 01, 2013, 03:04:25 AM
Wroclaw, Poland

City of Churches, Gnomes and Witches

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on June 01, 2013, 03:31:48 PM
A very early fight with a D200.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on June 02, 2013, 11:48:08 AM
http://youtu.be/7GnsNlYk8I4

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on June 02, 2013, 05:55:19 PM
I like the witty title, but I simply adore the sculpture.

I have long considered doing POV nudes - just that my little studio is not big enough and the budget does not run to renting or hiring.

Thanks Rob:  most inspiring.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on June 02, 2013, 06:38:42 PM
... I have long considered doing POV nudes - just that my little studio is not big enough and the budget does not run to renting or hiring...

You mean you would need a crane to drop your models in?


P.S. Sorry, Walter, my friend, just couldn't resist :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on June 02, 2013, 07:19:14 PM
Well, Slobodan, I was thinking more of using short focal length lenses to attain similar lines of force as are evident in Rob's bronze, and that requires more interesting shoot-off than just the supports for the seamless.  But since you mention it, Saturday's model I shot weighs 135 kilos and a crane might not be so far out of the question.

Cheers mate,

W
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on June 03, 2013, 10:28:49 AM
Would have preferred it aganst the sea, but it's hard to move either boat or bike - owning neither!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: nemo295 on June 03, 2013, 11:52:50 AM
Hillside, Olema California
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on June 04, 2013, 05:40:33 PM
abstracts
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on June 07, 2013, 10:49:06 AM
Voodoo.
Who do?
He do.
He do what?
He reminds me of the man.
What man?
The man with the power.
What power?
The power of the voodoo.
Who do?
He do.


Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on June 07, 2013, 10:54:57 AM
A nice one, Rob!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: David Eckels on June 07, 2013, 12:23:13 PM
A nice one, Rob!
+1
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on June 07, 2013, 01:04:20 PM
abstracts




Really dig the lower one!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: wolfnowl on June 08, 2013, 02:28:54 AM
Voodoo.
Who do?
He do.
He do what?
He reminds me of the man.
What man?
The man with the power.
What power?
The power of the voodoo.
Who do?
He do.


Rob C
Love the image!

And loved the movie, too... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051745/
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on June 08, 2013, 04:07:29 AM
Love the image!

And loved the movie, too... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051745/



You see the perils of getting involved with photography? Nothing is ever normal again. Perhaps that's just as well.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: opgr on June 08, 2013, 07:13:17 AM
Would have preferred it aganst the sea, but it's hard to move either boat or bike - owning neither!

Rob C


I was thinking; what if you simply asked the owner.

Might end up being the sunbathing topless dame on the front deck. She wouldn't bother getting dressed for moving the bike a few yards, and as she flicks her leg over the seat and moves the bike, you try not to stare in any particular direction so as to make yourself look less like the dirty old fool you are.

"Is this spot okay?", she asks, as she throws you a smile.
"Yes, that's perfect!", you answer.
"Want me to stay on the bike?", she continuous.
"Oh yes, please do stay on the bike!"

and you take a snap, and then move around a bit to take a couple more shots to at least look like you know what you're doing. Yes, you almost feel like a professional again.

At home you quickly upload your images and find 5 pictures of an empty bike parked in front of a boat...

Thanks for sharing anyway.

;-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on June 08, 2013, 07:38:41 AM

I was thinking; what if you simply asked the owner.

Might end up being the sunbathing topless dame on the front deck. She wouldn't bother getting dressed for moving the bike a few yards, and as she flicks her leg over the seat and moves the bike, you try not to stare in any particular direction so as to make yourself look less like the dirty old fool you are.

"Is this spot okay?", she asks, as she throws you a smile.
"Yes, that's perfect!", you answer.
"Want me to stay on the bike?", she continuous.
"Oh yes, please do stay on the bike!"

and you take a snap, and then move around a bit to take a couple more shots to at least look like you know what you're doing. Yes, you almost feel like a professional again.

At home you quickly upload your images and find 5 pictures of an empty bike parked in front of a boat... Thanks for sharing anyway.

;-)




You thought it couldn't get any worse?

Today I found friggin' peppers!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: opgr on June 08, 2013, 07:47:45 AM
You thought it couldn't get any worse?

Today I found friggin' peppers!

Rob C

Oh please, I'm still recuperating from the garlic...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on June 08, 2013, 03:55:13 PM
A spot of play in suburbia:

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on June 08, 2013, 05:49:33 PM
A Miami facade as a Sydney step... This is surreal. Definitely an art nouveau.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on June 08, 2013, 10:54:03 PM
Very nice!

A Victory for Victor :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on June 09, 2013, 03:32:42 AM
Thank you chaps,

Despite a Victory for Victor - he may well become Victor the Vanquished with some haste while Nikolaus Karpf's Linhof Lingers and Karl Koch's Sinar Stands Steady.

Cheers,

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on June 09, 2013, 04:09:06 AM
Thank you chaps,

Despite a Victory for Victor - he may well become Victor the Vanquished with some haste while Nikolaus Karpf's Linhof Lingers and Karl Koch's Sinar Stands Steady.

Cheers,





Were photography tennis, I'd say: YOU CAN NOT BE SERIOUS!!!!!

Say I misinterpreted what you just wrote - please?

Or, just wrap it all up safely and post it to Mallorca but don't expect a cheque by return!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on June 10, 2013, 09:12:23 PM
when a compact superzoom was almost good enough
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on June 11, 2013, 05:33:14 AM
when a compact superzoom was almost good enough


I never was into Latin American music very much; have one Astrud Gilberto LP on Verve, and that's enough for this rock 'n' roller's collection. It sounds terribly nice, though...

But your cover shot's more interesting!

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on June 11, 2013, 05:50:47 PM
http://youtu.be/VWZkRNEULi4

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on June 13, 2013, 06:21:16 AM
Such hard work!

Trogging up the Ganges, down the Mississippi, along the Yellow and over the Red. Why do I do this?

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on June 13, 2013, 06:40:41 AM
A couple from Sunday's walk in Langdale, English Lake District
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on June 16, 2013, 05:47:05 PM
A winter Sunday afternoon in the park ....

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on June 16, 2013, 07:46:44 PM
And a duckless detail:

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Patricia Sheley on June 16, 2013, 08:18:45 PM
You read my mind...  I had just said to myself that I'd like to know what is "nesting"" upper right in the first...then scrolled down and you'd already provided part f the answer...feels almost like stork territory... I would really enjoy seeing your work from time to time...I'd like to know more about how you "see"... so these two are much appreciated.... maybe you'd offer more now and again?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Patricia Sheley on June 16, 2013, 08:22:50 PM
quote
Why do I do this?

Rob C

...to lure the innocent. (ok, maybe not completely innocent). You know how much I am enjoying your recent "details", but there is something more here which I have been unable to pin down yet... keep it going Rob!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on June 17, 2013, 04:41:35 AM
quote
Why do I do this?

Rob C

...to lure the innocent. (ok, maybe not completely innocent). You know how much I am enjoying your recent "details", but there is something more here which I have been unable to pin down yet... keep it going Rob!



Patricia,

I'm currently reading Keith Richards' semi-autobiographical book Life.

Unfortunately, I'm not a musician, and when he starts to explain chord changes, how one attracts the other and the reasons for five-string tuning, I look for another coffee because the birds are flying way over the top of my head. But, importantly, when he chats about writing songs and playing the music, he says that it seems as if the thing's doing it by itself. With that I can identify completely. It mirrors (oh those damned mirrors again!) my own experience with photography: the picture comes to me, and I am not really convinced that I'm playing much of a rôle other than that of carrying the camera about like bait. I am fully aware that this can sound horridly pretentious, but I honestly do think it's how things work out for some of us. Even in pro life I used to fly on faith, and faith brought me through. I never questioned myself nor the how - I just did it.

Photography is basically so goddam simple an endeavour that it just has to be something else that makes it click or otherwise.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: pegelli on June 19, 2013, 06:08:45 AM
Babyface  :D

(http://pegelli.smugmug.com/Other/201306/i-G697dDn/0/O/PEG_Nex6_01306_20130616-L.jpg) (http://pegelli.smugmug.com/Other/201306/30070029_LVsXTd#!i=2584299263&k=G697dDn&lb=1&s=A)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on June 19, 2013, 06:33:46 AM
Nicely done
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on June 19, 2013, 10:44:03 AM
Nicely done
+1.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on June 19, 2013, 12:07:55 PM
Now, with some skillful repositioning of the baby face in post... but then you would have to move the image to the "Ethics" thread. ;)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on June 19, 2013, 02:00:37 PM
Now, with some skillful repositioning of the baby face in post... but then you would have to move the image to the "Ethics" thread. ;)


That would be cool: lIke the guy's got another short arm (no offence) with which to pick his nose?

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on June 20, 2013, 03:48:15 PM
Lake Calosso, last sunday. East Grosina Valley, Valtelline Valley.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: nemo295 on June 23, 2013, 04:27:19 PM
B Ranch, Point Reyes National Seashore
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Bruce Cox on June 24, 2013, 10:07:12 AM
Your b ranch photo impresses me with its continuity, inclusion, and balance near and far.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Riaan van Wyk on June 25, 2013, 01:15:00 PM
Swimming.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on June 25, 2013, 03:10:14 PM
Swimming.


What you need is a job that pays for a toples model; you already have the graphic ideas.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Riaan van Wyk on June 27, 2013, 02:39:54 PM

What you need is a job that pays for a toples model; you already have the graphic ideas.

;-)

Rob C

I'm working on it Rob. Maybe one day, sigh.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Dahlmann on July 08, 2013, 08:32:39 PM
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2879/9241989083_a9599f8d7c_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/lexrasta/9241989083/)
Mansfield (http://www.flickr.com/photos/lexrasta/9241989083/) by Daniel Dahlmann (http://www.flickr.com/people/lexrasta/), on Flickr
Mansfield Victoria

Cheers Daniel
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: kencameron on July 08, 2013, 09:56:08 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kencameron1949/9245235056/lightbox/

Anyone else got a rockstar sculpture?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: nemo295 on July 09, 2013, 11:47:43 AM
I see that the seagulls have deposited their opinion of it.   ;)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on July 16, 2013, 08:47:57 PM
An Inverted Tree

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Mjollnir on July 27, 2013, 11:37:38 AM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7337/9378572396_e9578911c0_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/9378572396/)
Derelict Train Station, Keeler, CA (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/9378572396/) by tanngrisnir3 (http://www.flickr.com/people/[email protected]/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: wolfnowl on July 28, 2013, 02:19:15 AM
57 channels, and nothing's on...

Well done, BTW.

This is what happens when people can't watch the show they want:

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2426/3716527523_7c7e80612b_o.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wolfnowl/3716527523/)
57 Channels and Nothing's On (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wolfnowl/3716527523/) by wolfnowl (http://www.flickr.com/people/wolfnowl/), on Flickr

Mike.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on July 28, 2013, 06:48:26 AM
More death .... and maybe a bit of hope for some

W
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on July 29, 2013, 02:44:45 PM
Walter, are these from a 4x5?

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on July 29, 2013, 02:58:27 PM
'Can'dy Warhol:
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on July 29, 2013, 07:38:54 PM
Walter, are these from a 4x5?

Rob C

Yes Rob.  Ilford HP4+.

Too funny Slobodan.

W
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Dahlmann on August 07, 2013, 04:24:54 AM
My dog vincent
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3757/9455023527_739097d176_b.jpg)

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2869/9457805522_00a6495189_b.jpg)



Cheers
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on August 12, 2013, 07:39:05 AM
A Saturday road-trip to a northern city (Newcastle) on a gloriously sunny winter's day.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on August 14, 2013, 03:37:10 AM
Walter,

I hadn't actually realised how similar Australia and the US appear to be - on the surface, at least! Or is it photographic 'treatment' and vision that make it seem so?

I vaguely recall some seaside pools in Scotland - Ayr or Prestwick, I think - that had that sort of artD-ish look to them: of a style, but not quite there in the architectural execution. I think them all gone, transmuted into carparks.

When I first came to live here in Spain, back in '81, there was a plethora of local books based on the then vanishing local architecture; it struck me that if the girls ended, then perhaps that might prove of interest as substitute. In the event, most of the places remain out of reach in estates or have been converted into rural agrihotels, or otherwise whacked about into something faux. Too late.

Michael Kenna did some interesting work in old lace factories in France (if memory betrays me not), and that, too, is photography of a certain charm - for me, at least. But you really have to be young, and fit. If I roam too far - impossible in the mornings - too much to do (such as type) before I can go out, then I worry about lunch and where to find it.

Days run ever shorter.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on August 18, 2013, 10:09:23 PM
A visual pun?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on August 19, 2013, 12:16:41 AM
A visual pun?
;D
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: wolfnowl on August 19, 2013, 01:30:30 AM
A visual pun?
Cute!

Mike.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: kikashi on August 19, 2013, 03:28:11 AM
A visual pun?

Excellent. I need a grin first thing in the morning.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on August 19, 2013, 04:13:26 AM
A visual pun?


Object lesson: never rely on autofocus!

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on August 22, 2013, 11:53:44 AM
waiting for a treat
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on August 22, 2013, 01:09:11 PM
waiting for a treat


I hope that's not your bed!

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on August 23, 2013, 10:47:27 AM
Frustrated by yesterday's failure to snap that attractive fabulous young lady on high moral grounds - my high grounds; she was below me, as explained yesterday - I had the cellpixer to hand and ready for the next dynamic, decisive moment should lightning (dammit Fred, now I'm confused!) strike twice. Alas, not a sign of either damsel or boat, not that I would swear that I'd recognize the boat again.

Anyway, distraught as I was, emotions tearing my soul apart, I wandered further along to a quiet corner to grieve in solitude, when I suddenly felt upon my shoulders the collective hand of all of those New Mexican heroes and heroines pushing, coaxing me into photographic action. What could I do - to resist would have been ungracious, so I made this little exposure in hommage to those who have gone before.

If there's a moral here, I guess it's that you shouldn't put your faith in shadows.

;-(

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on August 23, 2013, 10:52:54 AM
Brilliant, Rob, simply brilliant! Writing and pic, both. One of LuLa gems!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on August 23, 2013, 01:56:21 PM
Brilliant, Rob, simply brilliant! Writing and pic, both. One of LuLa gems!


Thanks, Slobodan; just when I'd sworn never to bother using a cellphone camera again.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on August 24, 2013, 02:49:39 PM

I hope that's not your bed!

;-)

Rob C

the white top is a table and the dog is under it
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: kencameron on August 26, 2013, 03:38:25 AM
On the forest floor. The mind boggled a little, as it was a remote and uncomfortable spot.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on August 26, 2013, 06:31:26 AM
On the forest floor. The mind boggled a little, as it was a remote and uncomfortable spot.


Ken, you should treat your ladies to a little comfort. Then it would be their minds doing the boggling. Don't you have a car, at least?

;-)

Rob C

P.S. You can tell I part-watched American Graffiti again last night, can't you? That music... wish I'd met Mel of the diner. Or better yet, the blonde in the T'bird.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: kencameron on August 26, 2013, 06:58:14 AM
Ken, you should treat your ladies to a little comfort.
Rob, please. I would have put the packet in my pocket rather than dumping it on the forest floor. And in fact there were several, so placing the whole scenario even further into fantasy land.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on August 26, 2013, 09:03:27 AM
Rob, please. I would have put the packet in my pocket rather than dumping it on the forest floor. And in fact there were several, so placing the whole scenario even further into fantasy land.




How times change; where the free spirits that sowed wild oats?

I told you all the 60s were a magical time. But no, you are mostly all in deepest denial...  

;-(

Rob C

P.S. I understand that Richard Branson's Virgin conglomerate also makes these interesting accessories; how surreal.

http://youtu.be/mArIdQjaaU8
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on August 27, 2013, 04:20:57 PM
This is a more comfortable place for these activities, a graffito over the door says : "Una bella scopata con Marina 12.09.2004". (A good f... with Marina). I saw it during the editing, like David Hemmings in "Blow up"... (si parvissima licet... I know, I know, it doesn't licet)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on August 27, 2013, 05:30:53 PM
Ma dove mai? No vedo niente di lei, la bella Marina...

At least, in all the good Fellinis and Antonionis they were mainly molto belle. I tried the Blow Up technique, but still not a sign of the errant griffito - maybe it's on the outside, under a bush beside a fence? Or in London, and you got a little confused? Marina might have that power - unless the guy lied, she had something blew his mind...

;-)

Ciao -

Rob C

P.S. She certainly  blew mine: I really wanted to ask you what had happened to the seat of the rig outside. Perhaps she took it with her?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on August 27, 2013, 05:44:25 PM
... tried the Blow Up technique, but still not a sign of the errant griffito...

Don't you worry, Rob, here it is:
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on August 27, 2013, 05:56:57 PM
A portrait of a mate of mine. A few beers in, at a music festival in west Wales. BTW, he isn't a country & western fan or anything. It's just a hat.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on August 28, 2013, 04:02:19 AM
Don't you worry, Rob, here it is:


You could interpret that? I can hardly read a word, even with the glasses on.

Actually, the entire photographic empire is grinding to a halt. For months I have had to go to the PS computer and connect it to the 'phone line in order to access the Weebly connection and read/edit my website because the other, Internet-intended machine that I use (this one) will no longer let me access my site to work on it. However, as of yesterday, though I can get access (on the PS machine), it freezes the moment I start to attempt any work. I've had a notice come up telling me about a problem with a graphic card, but as the damned thing is frozen, all I can do is pull the plug, not even switch off safely.

My natural hatred for electronic machines is surging. It's almost enough for me to call it a day altogether and leave that world. Trouble is, there are no alternatives left... cooking doesn't seem an attractive replacement, though I suppose I could do more housework instead... or tell the medics to go screw and rediscover gin & tonic!

Rob C

P.S. Turns out worse than I'd imagined: the freeze I mentioned happened as I was working on the Cellpix page - I see that I have now lost much of it on the website. You see what I mean?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on August 28, 2013, 06:28:45 AM
Don't you worry, Rob, here it is:

 ;)

I have to tell the truth: I did not notice the graffito, even during the editing. I was interested in other graffiti on the right, much more naive and Heidi style: "Cecini Valentina aiutante pastorella", "Doriana Cecini pastorella". It was my sister who noticed the dionysiac grapphito over the door...

Here a photo (this is a tone mapping of several shots, the first photo was a manual blending of two exposures) and a crop of the Heidi grapphiti.





Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on August 28, 2013, 07:24:35 AM

You could interpret that? I can hardly read a word, even with the glasses on.




P.S. She certainly  blew mine: I really wanted to ask you what had happened to the seat of the rig outside. Perhaps she took it with her?

You can look  at this 100% crop.

There wasn't a seat outside but probably here I don't understand your (to me) difficult english (and humour) :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on August 28, 2013, 09:55:30 AM
You can look  at this 100% crop.

There wasn't a seat outside but probably here I don't understand your (to me) difficult english (and humour) :)

I know, I know, but the harness thing (which is probably worn on someone's poor back - they'll pay in their 50s onwards) looks as big as a chair and had there been a base to it, wouldn't have looked out of place in a race-tuned Testarossa with a mesh on the window. I've been out of my own culture too long - nothing really fits me anymore, least of all my own cultural model...

Flying Dutchman Syndrome.

;-(

Ciao -

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on August 28, 2013, 06:13:01 PM
Elephant
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on August 29, 2013, 12:41:02 AM
I know, I know, but the harness thing (which is probably worn on someone's poor back - they'll pay in their 50s onwards) looks as big as a chair and had there been a base to it, wouldn't have looked out of place in a race-tuned Testarossa with a mesh on the window. I've been out of my own culture too long - nothing really fits me anymore, least of all my own cultural model...

Flying Dutchman Syndrome.

;-(

Ciao -

Rob C


 With  "the harness thing" do you mean the rucksack with the snowshoes? It is my rucksack, it isn't big (37 l) is light (1. 47 kg) and is extremly comfortable (but there are too many long straps)

The snowshoes are also very light

I am 58 years old and...yes my back is in a bad condition, but it is not due to the rucksack (this or other).

Ciao vecchio Rob  :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: kencameron on August 29, 2013, 01:32:27 AM
Spelling matters.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on August 29, 2013, 04:57:30 AM

 With  "the harness thing" do you mean the rucksack with the snowshoes? It is my rucksack, it isn't big (37 l) is light (1. 47 kg) and is extremly comfortable (but there are too many long straps)

The snowshoes are also very light

I am 58 years old and...yes my back is in a bad condition, but it is not due to the rucksack (this or other).

Ciao vecchio Rob  :)


Some days are worse than others, which, by definition, almost indicates that some might be good! The sight of a grey beard in the mirror, very first thing every morning, makes me feel vecchio beyond my actual years, which are quite daunting at the best of times. The only thing worse would be a white one (beard).

My first experience of bad backs came when I was about twenty: I leaped up into the air and attempted to do one of those silly heel-clicking things that folks did on tv; it didn’t work. Another time, I was using a tall drill that required one to reach upwards to pull down on a lever that brought the drill down to the work. I felt a hell of a pain in the small of my back… on both occasions the doctor’s advice was to sleep on the floor. Some sympathetic doctor!

However, I am also developing the walk of a question mark. I put that down to too many years of carrying camera cases and tripods as well as the habit, derived from the fashion experience, of shooting from rather low levels, which means you are constantly stooped down over a low tripod or bending/squatting when hand-holding the damned machines, neither option being comfortable nor natural.

Photography really can be bad for one.

Ciao –

Rob C



Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on August 29, 2013, 10:46:08 AM

... The sight of a grey beard in the mirror, very first thing every morning, makes me feel ...

Thats why I shave in the dark.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on August 29, 2013, 03:01:41 PM
Thats why I shave in the dark.


Gottit! That's why you changed the image of yourself.

I bought a replacement electric razor a couple of years ago - still have to use them on parts of the artwork - and despite having asked the dealer if it worked off mains too, turned out that it depended totally on the rechargeable battery, required about nine hours of wall-time, and died with a whimper after approximately twenty minutes of use (added total time between pops - I never take twenty minutes a time. Makes you wonder about totally electrical cars, doesn't it?).

But still, your technique has a certain, undeniable Van Goghian (Van Goghsian?) charm.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 03, 2013, 10:31:31 AM
Passing fancy.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on September 03, 2013, 02:47:56 PM
Passing fancy.

Rob C
That's a treat!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Harald L on September 03, 2013, 02:48:39 PM
Critter, don't know which one
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: kencameron on September 03, 2013, 07:33:34 PM
Critter, don't know which one
Looks a bit elephant seal to me.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 04, 2013, 03:36:00 AM
That's a treat!



Thanks - no treats this morning.

I sprang out of bed at 7am - well, not exactly 'sprang' but anyway, eat the flakes and darted off (exaggerating again) to the garage where the car was due a service. As there were no other customers present there, no wonder at 8am, I hung around and chatted to the mechanic as he worked. When he lifted the hood, he said oh, rats! I said no, snails, because I'd found half-a-dozen of them some weeks ago diistributed over the battery, fried. No, he said, rats; look at the muddy footprints. He was right! The little buggers have also chewed a couple of cables which I have subsequently bound up with black electrical tape. I hope they don't enjoy that. Anyway, he suggested I buy some sachets of rat poison and put them under the hood...

All in a day's entertainment - and who said I know nothing about farm life? You can't avoid it.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 04, 2013, 03:36:49 AM
Critter, don't know which one


Man, that is a genuine Hasselfake!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 04, 2013, 05:36:27 AM
Amazing; just posted another b/white and see that it has gone blurred! I suppose it means that I can't delay the new computer much longer...

Must investigate.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Harald L on September 04, 2013, 05:36:47 AM

Thanks - no treats this morning.

I sprang out of bed at 7am - well, not exactly 'sprang' but anyway, eat the flakes and darted off (exaggerating again) to the garage where the car was due a service. As there were no other customers present there, no wonder at 8am, I hung around and chatted to the mechanic as he worked. When he lifted the hood, he said oh, rats! I said no, snails, because I'd found half-a-dozen of them some weeks ago dirtibuted over the battery, fried. No, he said, rats; look at the muddy footprints. He was right! The little buggers have also chewed a couple of cables which I have subsequently bound up with black electrical tape. I hope they don't enjoy that. Anyway, he suggested I buy some sachets of rat poison and put them under the hood...

All in a day's entertainment - and who said I know nothing about farm life? You can't avoid it.

;-)

Rob C

I've never heard that rats are chewing on cables. We have a lot of trouble with martens and you can only get rid of them by a wire mesh under your motor compartment.

Harald
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 04, 2013, 06:07:45 AM
I've never heard that rats are chewing on cables. We have a lot of trouble with martens and you can only get rid of them by a wire mesh under your motor compartment.

Harald


No, these are fully paid-up rats: I eventually found the characteristic droppings.

It's a question of which is worse: the rats or the birds. The birds poop straight acid - probably powerful enough to put into your battery. What they do to the car's paint isn't pretty, but there's nothing to be done. We also have pigeons, and can't do anything about then either. They go up on the roof and drop their droppings down the side of the building and into the various gutters, where they clog the outlets and cause flooding. We can't poison them because that's too dangerous to other wildlife; can't have them shot because it's illegal to use even an airgun in a built-up area. So the damned birds win without a battle. And then we have to pay every spring to have a couple of men go up there and clean everything up, and that doesn't take into consideration the damage that the build-up of water does to the ceiling of the staircase; I can't count the number of times that the plaster has collapsed and we've had to get the painters back in...

I did buy some fireworks once and go up into the penthouse from where I could throw lit bangers onto the roof, but in the end it was I who was the more discomfited from both the noise and the risk; not a Guy Fawkes figure at the best of times.

Though we have a hill covered in pines about a hundred yards away, and an abandoned farm on the other side of the hedge that's turning into a pine forest (the farm, not the hedge), I haven't seen any martens, nor do I know if they live on Mallorca. I did once see something at the foot of the hedge that looked like a very large and hairy brownish cat one evening, but it ran away so quickly I didn't have time to recover from the shock and take note of what the hell it really was. I hate the very idea of rabies.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 05, 2013, 03:38:45 PM
It's infectious. From the Hasselfake to the new now - witness the XPanfake.

It'll never catch on.

;-)

Rob C



http://youtu.be/Hs_63UhrpBo
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 09, 2013, 09:14:53 AM
With love to David Hamilton, who inspired a generation or two.

I shall never forget Dreams of Young Girls which I pushed the local library to get for me because I couldn't afford it myself - anymore than I could Haskins' Cowboy Kate which I did manage to buy years later when it was reprinted... Why is youth so often wasted on the impecunious?

Now, if the Haskin heirs would only find a publisher for the best of them all: Five Girls.

Rob C

http://youtu.be/tHthljTEkRw
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on September 09, 2013, 10:09:41 AM
With love to David Hamilton, who inspired a generation or two.

Rob C


David inspired many in the painting world also. Myself included. Thank you david.

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Harald L on September 09, 2013, 08:27:11 PM
With love to David Hamilton, who inspired a generation or two.

I shall never forget Dreams of Young Girls which I pushed the local library to get for me because I couldn't afford it myself - anymore than I could Haskins' Cowboy Kate which I did manage to buy years later when it was reprinted... Why is youth so often wasted on the impecunious?

Now, if the Haskin heirs would only find a publisher for the best of them all: Five Girls.

Rob C

http://youtu.be/tHthljTEkRw

Your local library really had purchased a Hamilton? I just imagine how the staff of our library would react on that request in the 70's.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 10, 2013, 10:18:36 AM
Your local library really had purchased a Hamilton? I just imagine how the staff of our library would react on that request in the 70's.

I don't think so; as far as I know, all the libraries were connected and sent stuff around the country to meet special requests.

I think we (Britain) were far more open-minded in the 60s/70s than we are, generally, today, not because of any basic changes in people, but huge ones in political correctness that is, in my view, one of worst things to have befallen womankind next to the feminist movement, that caused so many to lose much of the power that they already had - pretty much from the cradle.

Not all women fell for it, and those that did not managed to survive and prosper perfectly well, and certainly not any worse than they would have in any case.

Where I think much needs to be done is in the fight against male violence towards women. But then, isn't that an example of cowardice more than anything else? Perhaps the Italians have it about right: hurt my child and I hurt you. Whoever the eff you are. Maybe that attitude moderates life somewhat? I'm all for it. Especially now with two granddaughters.

Ciao,

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Harald L on September 10, 2013, 08:39:49 PM
I don't think so; as far as I know, all the libraries were connected and sent stuff around the country to meet special requests.

I think we (Britain) were far more open-minded in the 60s/70s than we are, generally, today, not because of any basic changes in people, but huge ones in political correctness that is, in my view, one of worst things to have befallen womankind next to the feminist movement, that caused so many to lose much of the power that they already had - pretty much from the cradle.

Not all women fell for it, and those that did not managed to survive and prosper perfectly well, and certainly not any worse than they would have in any case.

Where I think much needs to be done is in the fight against male violence towards women. But then, isn't that an example of cowardice more than anything else? Perhaps the Italians have it about right: hurt my child and I hurt you. Whoever the eff you are. Maybe that attitude moderates life somewhat? I'm all for it. Especially now with two granddaughters.

Ciao,

Rob C

I'm convinced that our exaggerated political correctness has already established a very particular dictatorship long ago. Regarding "hurt my child and I hurt you": This is not a matter of nationality. Did you spy on me when I had a serious talk to my sons in law when they asked me for my consent to marry my daughters?

Harald
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 11, 2013, 05:19:35 AM
That made me laugh; when my girlfriend and I decided we might as well go all formal and ask her parents for their blessings, their reactions were really funny: rather than look concerned or even falsely surprised, her father remarked that after six years of dating, it was about time!

Mostly, we all got on very well and they did a lot to help us both all their lives.

Fond memories of another Golden Age. Time's such a mother.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 11, 2013, 10:57:29 AM
No idea if this post is in any way connected with my previous one, but the mood follows me here.

The shot's a favourite of my tenor sax-playing Cuban friend Nico's; I'm not sure why. I hope for something exotic therein that I can't see.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Mjollnir on September 12, 2013, 01:14:51 PM
Just returned from Tuolumne Meadows last Sunday, coming down the 395, and the smoke from the Rim Fire was thick and EVERYWHERE on the east side.  I think it's the reason the mountains in the background, more specifically Lone Pine Peak, has such odd color.  I made no color adjustments, and my wife's shots, from a Canon 6D, had the exact same effect.

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7315/9732067884_150abd5d2a_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/9732067884/)
Lone Pine Peak, Lubken Road (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/9732067884/) by tanngrisnir3 (http://www.flickr.com/people/[email protected]/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Riaan van Wyk on September 12, 2013, 01:21:44 PM
I've never heard that rats are chewing on cables.
Harald

They sharpen their front teeth that way. Rats can kill a car's wiring in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on September 12, 2013, 09:46:02 PM
from this evening
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on September 13, 2013, 11:26:27 AM
Also from last evening. I'm not into moon photography but this is probably the biggest one that I photographed, must have been closer to Earth than usual.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 13, 2013, 02:36:37 PM
Somewhat closer to Earth, but there you go.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: John R on September 13, 2013, 07:41:19 PM
Rob, your image hits a sweet spot for me and invites me to post some "abstract" images in turn.

JMR

(http://johnroias.smugmug.com/Oakville/i-4TmNm4s/0/M/Sept%208-2013%20Oakville-RBG%20227%20copysmug-M.jpg) (http://johnroias.smugmug.com/Oakville/i-4TmNm4s/A)

(http://johnroias.smugmug.com/Oakville/i-q2MGJdm/0/M/Sept%208-2013%20Oakville-RBG%20228%20copysmug-M.jpg) (http://johnroias.smugmug.com/Oakville/i-q2MGJdm/A)

(http://johnroias.smugmug.com/Oakville/i-JhcZMKw/0/M/Aug%2025-%202013%20Oakville%20Park%20409%20smugcopy-M.jpg) (http://johnroias.smugmug.com/Oakville/i-JhcZMKw/A)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on September 13, 2013, 11:40:00 PM
Network
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Bruce Cox on September 15, 2013, 02:10:44 PM
This camera mount is for vertical panos.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 18, 2013, 09:18:38 AM
Something my mother found in an old shop many years ago.

Dipstick Diptych without doors?

Rob C


P.S. Ooops! Posted the wrong version! Now fixed.

Wrong. Right version now, but as happened before with a shot of a girl over in the MF section, the thing has gone soft in the wrong places in translation to LuLa. The print/copy is no longer crisp. I despair.

Checked the file again, and it is crisp, with the induced grain on the right image very clearly defined, as is all the lettering on the 'sharp' image and the caption. I have to enlarge these thumbnails by clicking on them, and then waiting for them to open in a separate window - maybe that's the bumpy part of the LuLa track?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Riaan van Wyk on September 20, 2013, 09:29:09 AM
Somewhat closer to Earth, but there you go.

;-)

Rob C

Lovely Rob..
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 20, 2013, 09:34:54 AM
Lovely Rob..


Thank you, Riaan, it's nice playing around with oldish images when there are few new ones being made...

I seem to be cursed with a problem posting pictures here: though the files are crisp where and when I want them to be, they degrade quite badly when I have to open the thumbnails here. This didn't happen a while ago, but now, I see that even the captions reproduce soft... it makes it sort of pointless posting anything. Maybe it's being done to me on purpose - a 'soft' hint!

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on September 20, 2013, 10:50:45 AM
... I see that even the captions reproduce soft... it makes it sort of pointless posting anything. Maybe it's being done to me on purpose - a 'soft' hint!

Or, perhaps not so subtle hint it's time for another ophthalmologist visit? ;)

Another hint: I see what you posted clear and sharp.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: degrub on September 20, 2013, 12:26:35 PM
Rob,

Might be a browser issue.  Did yours update recently ?
Try downloading the image file and opening directly. You can also look at the image handling in the browser settings. Or try a different browser.

Frank
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on September 20, 2013, 01:39:03 PM
Or, perhaps not so subtle hint it's time for another ophthalmologist visit? ;)

Another hint: I see what you posted clear and sharp.
I see them clearly too. Maybe time for a new monitor or PC as well as the ophthalmologist visit?
Any of those will give you an opportunity to start spending some of that vast wealth you have no doubt put aside as a professional photographer --- (sigh!)

I love your snaps, Rob, both old and new.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 20, 2013, 02:17:59 PM
Thanks for the concern about eyes - I'm currently waiting for three hospital appointments: one for the eyes and two cardio-related; they were all due this month, and usually the hospital rings me up offering dates. This year, nothing. I went to the hospìtal in person a couple of months ago to see what was going down and they looked me up, told me I was on the list, that they'd ring. Zilch. I went back this week and it was a repeat. Trouble is, the heart things require a blood test, which also requires an appointment and then maybe ten days for results... one needs the space between appointments.

I think that the reality is that Spain's economic meltdown is hitting everything so hard they can't pay staff. Irony is, we used to have private insurance, but the last time my wife had to go to hospital (emergency) she was so pleased with the State offering, which we used that time because it was closer to us than the private places, that we cancelled. The fact that it was taking €3600 p.a. out of our pensions did affect our thinking too! Anyway, that was five years ago, and the State has been super until now, and the private sector would never accept me again should I want to rejoin; Ann's many cancer ops must have cost them a bomb, never mind my two heart adventures...

I’m relieved that you all see the images as sharp where they should be sharp, and that means the captions too, where I notice softness most strongly. As I wrote, I see the files as perfectly crisp on my monitor from both the PS computer where they are made, and also on the Internet computer from whence they travel to LuLa. They get to the Internet computer via their resting place on an external hard drive. So, both computers show them as they should look on the shared LaCie.

Actually, part of the glaucoma treatment – well, all of it really – consists of a drop in each eye each morning to cut pressure.

I required reading glasses from the age of 44, but since starting the drops I no longer require reading glasses for books or monitor, but in exchange, my distance sight is now mucked up somewhat. So apart from pressure, the drops must affect the muscular control too. Just what every snapper needs!

During the past visits to the hospital they have always told me that there is absolutely nothing else amiss with either eye. I was also told not to bother with buying distance glasses as there was only a +1½ fault in one eye. That ain’t what I think I experience!

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: degrub on September 20, 2013, 03:39:07 PM
What i have been told by my eye doc (who is also reluctant to give me driving glasses) is that once you start that with the distance vision, the eyes start getting worse and worse. So maybe they are thinking the same -hold until you flunk the driving test.

Frank
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 20, 2013, 06:12:42 PM
What i have been told by my eye doc (who is also reluctant to give me driving glasses) is that once you start that with the distance vision, the eyes start getting worse and worse. So maybe they are thinking the same -hold until you flunk the driving test.

Frank


I felt the same reluctance about wearing reading specs too; much of the time I did without, and that caused my eyes to feel locked at the reading range, and they'd take a while to get back to function at normal distances. It used to happen if I was waiting for my wife to do her shopping as I sat in the car, outside the shop, and reading a newspaper.

I thought that varifocals might do the trick, but my daghter uses them, and I suspect her sight has become worse since she started with them. However, she thinks they are great...

On the whole, I think your doc is correct: focus is by muscles, and if you don't let them work for themselves, they will eventually atrophy, just like my arm and chest ones.

What a business is growing old!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on September 22, 2013, 05:34:39 AM
An exercise in Sphericity:

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 22, 2013, 11:41:17 AM
Vey unusual image.

How did you power the tube without frying the model?

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on September 22, 2013, 01:10:50 PM
I would say a neon tube was involved. Just a guess.

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on September 22, 2013, 01:11:02 PM
How did you power the tube without frying the model?

Rob C

They are fully enclosed fluoros, totally safe to handle.  I was put onto them some years ago by our old automotive friend James C.

W
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 22, 2013, 02:50:47 PM
They are fully enclosed fluoros, totally safe to handle.  I was put onto them some years ago by our old automotive friend James C.

W


Interesting; are they products just confined to photographic uses, or can they be bought in normal electrical outlets? I'm not wanting to buy, just curious to know if they represent yet another 21st Century fox that's slipped under my cranky radar. I believe that were I to wander into one of those Apple stores by mistake, I would find myself surrounded by objects whose purposes would leave me absolutely in the dark. Perversely, I find some comfort in that!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on September 22, 2013, 04:10:02 PM
It looks like a Light Sabre to me, so I think you need to buy one at a Star Wars shop.  :D
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on September 22, 2013, 05:32:27 PM
are they products just confined to photographic uses, or can they be bought in normal electrical outlets?  Rob C

Rob,

They are not in general lighting shops but they are from a supplier specialising in window displays and interior design.  They are entirely self-contained with only a lead to be plugged in.  The ballast and stuff is all in the cap at one end,

Here is another from a while ago which also incorporates a domestic long-life bulb.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 23, 2013, 04:17:13 AM
Rob,

They are not in general lighting shops but they are from a supplier specialising in window displays and interior design.  They are entirely self-contained with only a lead to be plugged in.  The ballast and stuff is all in the cap at one end,

Here is another from a while ago which also incorporates a domestic long-life bulb.


Well!

I'm glad I inadvertently coaxed that one out of you!

Beautiful shapes and tones.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on September 26, 2013, 08:47:47 AM
A less exciting shape
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: John R on September 29, 2013, 10:19:09 AM
I went to Algonquin Park, but it was rather sunny so I decided to experiment a bit. These two, among others, is what I came up with.

JMR

(http://johnroias.smugmug.com/Algonquin-Park/i-TWN4R5P/1/M/Sept%2024-2013%20Ottawa-Algonquin%20trip%20270%20smugcopy-M.jpg) (http://johnroias.smugmug.com/Algonquin-Park/i-TWN4R5P/A)

(http://johnroias.smugmug.com/Algonquin-Park/i-wfcS5LF/0/M/Sept%2024-2013%20Ottawa-Algonquin%20trip%20269%20smugcopy-M.jpg) (http://johnroias.smugmug.com/Algonquin-Park/i-wfcS5LF/A)

(http://johnroias.smugmug.com/Algonquin-Park/i-27pMTjM/0/M/Sept%2024-2013%20Ottawa-Algonquin%20trip%20082%20smugcopy-M.jpg) (http://johnroias.smugmug.com/Algonquin-Park/i-27pMTjM/A)

(http://johnroias.smugmug.com/Algonquin-Park/i-7jSVtX2/0/M/Sept%2024-2013%20Ottawa-Algonquin%20trip%20615%20smugcopy-M.jpg) (http://johnroias.smugmug.com/Algonquin-Park/i-7jSVtX2/A)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Harald L on September 29, 2013, 12:47:06 PM
I went to Algonquin Park, but it was rather sunny so I decided to experiment a bit. These two, among others, is what I came up with.

JMR


Interesting, but the watermarks are really annoying and distract from the pictures.

Harald
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: John R on September 29, 2013, 05:42:17 PM
Interesting, but the watermarks are really annoying and distract from the pictures.

Harald

True, but I have enough trouble, so they will not go away any time soon. I am adding one more. Thanks for the comments.

JMR
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Bruce Cox on September 30, 2013, 09:37:16 AM
Good tree trunks in the third.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: John R on September 30, 2013, 08:57:31 PM
Good tree trunks in the third.
If you like tree trunks, you should like my 4th addition. Many thanks for the comments.

JMR (John R)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on October 12, 2013, 02:28:36 PM
A building
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on October 12, 2013, 03:19:47 PM
An abandoned old pump house
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Bruce Cox on October 12, 2013, 06:28:37 PM
Posed plants.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on October 12, 2013, 08:57:39 PM
several years ago
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Riaan van Wyk on October 13, 2013, 11:07:16 AM
An abandoned old pump house

Lovely Bill.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on October 18, 2013, 05:57:39 PM
Lake Como and the apse of S. Maria del Tiglio (St. Mary of the Linden Tree), Gravedona, but there were only plane trees...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on October 18, 2013, 07:17:54 PM
I love the fence Armand — very much a man after my own heart.

Muntanela that is a wonderfully sensitive rendition of a lovely motif.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on October 19, 2013, 07:03:42 AM
Why don't people still build houses with turrets?

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: graeme on October 27, 2013, 06:37:48 PM
Just started playing with my new Holga Pinhole lens. Mark Dubovoy should try one of these - very simple.

Graeme

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on October 30, 2013, 03:28:26 PM
Why don't people still build houses with turrets?




When they build today, if they build anything at all, it's for money, not defensive purposes: the bandits now live in penthouses in the city.

Here's todays little adventure with the Coke.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on October 30, 2013, 07:49:08 PM
Another cracker for the suite.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on October 30, 2013, 10:29:37 PM
Nice one, Rob.
Good to see you back.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on October 31, 2013, 05:49:09 AM
Another cracker for the suite.


Hi Walter,

I did the colour vision test that was posted somewhere here recently and had a fairly dim score; I think it's convinced me to concentrate on b/white!

On the other hand, I see from other posts that there's the possibility that the calibrated monitor may be the problem, and there's no need to mention the glaucoma, either! As long as the driving licence medical test doesn't get blown, isn't affected, that's cool enough for me today!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on October 31, 2013, 06:02:53 AM
Nice one, Rob.
Good to see you back.



Thank you, Eric.

I've sort of accidently stumbled onto doing a series with a Coke bottle; no Fatty A. complex (nor opportunity, come to think of it) that I know about, just the result of another shot that happened by chance one morning in the sitting room.

I had been looking at a website the evening before and liked some delicate model pix by a French snapper who'd been contra-jouring away somewhere, and the backlighting and curtains in my room just sparked the memory; having no model I opted for a substitute and liked what I found. Must be a Debbie Harry memory there, too.

I show the first little shoot.

http://youtu.be/Jxpe1oSp_sg

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Christoph C. Feldhaim on October 31, 2013, 07:32:50 AM
Autumn impression from my cellphone. Unedited.

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3733/10498412434_d3c58ef197_s.jpg) (http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3733/10498412434_d3c58ef197_c.jpg)

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on October 31, 2013, 06:31:10 PM
Coke seems to be good for you, Rob! Nice images!

Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Sharon VL on October 31, 2013, 07:56:08 PM
Rob, that middle coke photograph...the way you caught the light - wow, beautiful.

Sharon
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 01, 2013, 07:22:28 AM
Rob, that middle coke photograph...the way you caught the light - wow, beautiful.

Sharon


Thank you, Sharon; the b/whites were shot with an old 2/35 manual Nikkor and the close-up with an also manual 2.8/105 Micro Nikkor.

It all shows me that a lot of subject matter can be found right beneath our nose, just as long as we don't confuse professional work with fun work, though I was quite lucky much of the time in being able to combine the two. Frankly, it was the subject matter - locations and girls - that led to my hunting out the clients that I did, first in fashion and then with calendars: needed the one (clients) to fund the other (and feed the family, of course)!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Christoph C. Feldhaim on November 01, 2013, 07:29:20 AM
If you can't take a good photograph within 100 m from your flat ypu can't  take good photographs at all ...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: francois on November 01, 2013, 07:41:14 AM
Coke seems to be good for you, Rob! Nice images!

Eric


Just one word, superb!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 01, 2013, 11:42:21 AM
Just one word, superb!


Merci! It's nice when Lady Luck smiles!

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: David Eckels on November 01, 2013, 01:10:41 PM

Merci! It's nice when Lady Luck smiles!

;-)

Rob C
Yes it is, but that has nothing to do with how you turn out those beautiful images--of a Coke bottle for God's sake. I thought so when saw the first and then that triptych--lovely!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 01, 2013, 01:21:17 PM
Yes it is, but that has nothing to do with how you turn out those beautiful images--of a Coke bottle for God's sake. I thought so when saw the first and then that triptych--lovely!


Suddenly, (Last Summer?) my bandana got too tight.

Thanks!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Christoph C. Feldhaim on November 01, 2013, 05:26:07 PM
I felt like messing around today ....
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on November 01, 2013, 05:53:44 PM
Taken through a Coke bottle bottom, in co-operation with Rob?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Christoph C. Feldhaim on November 01, 2013, 05:58:30 PM
Taken through a Coke bottle bottom, in co-operation with Rob?

Not exactly, but the underlying Panaorama was taken when i was on Mallorca.
I was meeting Rob these days.
But he didn't have a Coke on his D700, just an ordinary lens.
I'm curious what he will have on his D700 when I see him after Christmas ...
:D
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: wolfnowl on November 01, 2013, 07:40:05 PM
If you put Coke on your camera, doesn't the acid eat away at the coatings?  ???

A Nin Jiom cough syrup bottle - playing with the light...

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 02, 2013, 05:56:56 AM
If you put Coke on your camera, doesn't the acid eat away at the coatings?  ???

A Nin Jiom cough syrup bottle - playing with the light...






Beware! Pix reveal your habits!

Except they can be wrong conclusions: I don't drink Coke, and the bottle came from a local bar, the waitress saying she wanted it back. I said sure, but didn't supply a 'when'.

Oy vey, already; pressure on artists!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 02, 2013, 01:44:17 PM
Don't think I flew this one past you here -

From a drive through France with my wife. I do remember clearly that I'd parked as far up on the grass at the side of the country lane as I could; it didn't stop an irate madame from honking at me! God knows where she came from - I'd thought the area empty.

Scanned from, I think, Velvia 50 through a Nikon F4s with, again a memory guess - the old 105 Nikkor I used to have before I went mad and sold everything. Which I've slowly found myself having to buy all over again. Yep, that male menopause does exist; it'll catch you too. Take my advice: sell nothing!

Rob C

P.S. I seem to be getting into soft uploading again - maybe it's my computer. This shot really looks soft, and it's not.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: wolfnowl on November 02, 2013, 02:45:04 PM
Okay, but an irate Madam makes me wonder what was going on up there, especially if she thought you weren't likely to be a customer.  ;D

Doesn't look soft on my screen.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 02, 2013, 04:35:45 PM
Okay, but an irate Madam makes me wonder what was going on up there, especially if she thought you weren't likely to be a customer.  ;D

Doesn't look soft on my screen.




But I explained: I was travelling with my wife! No need for furtive.

The parking was for the village shot. The (M)madame was in another car, which was how she was able to honk - not a foie gras moment.

I'm glad it's okay on your screen - I managed to coax a half-hour out of the computer and maybe that's what worried me about the file I used to post. The time cometh.

Thanks for checking it out for me.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on November 02, 2013, 04:40:54 PM
The shot occupies only about 10% of my 27" screen, thus can not really tell if it is soft or not. However, viewed on my non-Retina iPad (thus taking up most of the screen), it is clearly soft.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: degrub on November 02, 2013, 10:04:12 PM
Heavily compressed ?
Frank
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 03, 2013, 05:39:00 AM
I have no idea about 'compression' beyond knowing that the image leaves here as a jpeg at, usually, the '7' setting for a quality level that might discourage copies.

I can't figure why it looks good on my monitor (at quality '7') when I see it via the computer on which it's created and then, on the same monitor but via another web-linked computer sitting beside the first computer, it looks soft when in LuLa.

Is there a way in which my sending of the image could be affecting the appearance in LuLa? In other words, could a fault in the sending computer cause such things, even if it allows incoming images to look perfect?

My monitor is a LaCie 319, if that helps.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: degrub on November 03, 2013, 10:11:29 AM
Rob,

When i magnify the image on my ipad, i see halos around all of high contrast edges which indicates either compression or resizing artifacts, or over sharpening. Is the original scaled for 72 ppi and then compressed to jpeg or is it straight from the scan at scan resolution and then resampled to the final size ? Possibly the image is being compressed twice ? Or perhaps from too low of a resolution ? You are seeing the original jpeg before upload and the lula download ?

That is a fine monitor and should not make a difference if you are viewing at 100% for the comparison.
Frank
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 03, 2013, 11:13:24 AM
Hi Frank,

What I do is this – more or less as I remember it.

I take the original file from the scan and then, if doing b/white, don’t mess with it at all before converting it into b/white. Once in b/w I use Pshop to alter the thing until it looks right to me.

At that stage, I make a Copy As file and then change that down from 4000ppi to 72 and fix the width to 600 pixels (the height maxing at 500 pixels if it’s from a crop), to keep the look of the website. I add the white background space and also the outer black line.

Once that’s done, I sharpen, usually (for Internet) as below:

Quantity:  30 – 75 %

Radius:     0.5 pixels

Umbral:     0   

(My PS6 is now back working in Spanish after a brief foray giving me English…! Surprisingly, I’ve actually become more familiar with it in Spanish now.)

All of this work is done with the machine set at sRGBIEC1966-2.1 (Thanks, Keith for your time on 16/03/2009! It’s printed and up on the wall still.)

The final step is to print on the captions. After that, I make another Save As copy and convert it to jpeg. That's the first time we get a jpeg into the system.

Once that’s done, I put the jpeg file onto an external drive from which it goes to the Internet computer and out to the brave world out there.

The thing is, the jpeg file on the external drive still looks good on the monitor when viewed from either computer.

I vacuumed the openings in both machines before I made lunch. I opened the PS one and it looked perfectly clean inside but the various fan apertures were dirty as hell! However, the Internet one wouldn’t open easily and I decided not to force anything.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 03, 2013, 01:42:51 PM
Let's see how this one fares - not a scan, but from the D700.

From the ongoing Coke thing.

Rob C

P.S.

Nope, no different, and the copy looks particularly blurry to me, even with my specs on!

Okay, it's shot with a 2.8/24mm manual Nikkor wide open (or at least, it was meant to be!) in a gale, but even so..
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 04, 2013, 10:28:51 AM
I think I've comsumed enough Coke air by now to think of a new G-R-Q Plan; a simple one - always best - and this is it: I shall change my initials to N.G.M., Nan Goldin Mallorca!

Quite brilliant, I thought; what took me so long?

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on November 04, 2013, 12:31:07 PM
Oh, that's real spooky... your reflection reveals (devil?) horns!  ;D

P.S. Congrats on self-promoting marketing, that's rather novel.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Harald L on November 04, 2013, 12:40:41 PM
I think I've comsumed enough Coke air by now to think of a new G-R-Q Plan; a simple one - always best - and this is it: I shall change my initials to N.G.M., Nam Goldin Mallorca!

Quite brilliant, I thought; what took me so long?

;-)

Rob C

Rob,

this is simply brilliant. Starting with a tiled studio is a very good idea...

Harald
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 04, 2013, 01:34:53 PM
Rob,

this is simply brilliant. Starting with a tiled studio is a very good idea...

Harald


Especially with built-in water supplies. Then, to top even that, the tiles help the singing models sound like they are cutting a '55 R'n'R number! You could ask for more?

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 04, 2013, 01:44:21 PM
Oh, that's real spooky... your reflection reveals (devil?) horns!  ;D

P.S. Congrats on self-promoting marketing, that's rather novel.


Yes, I saw the horny(today?) symbolism and thought I'd fly with it a while... but no Faustian pacts, believe me!

The logo cost me another denim shirt: this one was the trial, which they did well; the second one was a disaster because the two colours - dark blue letters/red stars - had to go down in two runs and they blew the locations both times! As it was a really old shirt, I refused their offer of a refund; they were young guys and gals starting out. I blew many things as a kid, too. What the hell - I use it at home and helps remind me whom I might still be. I know, it gets complicated at times.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on November 05, 2013, 06:04:34 PM
Lunch
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 06, 2013, 01:04:13 PM
I posted this earlier today in the tech area dealing with Nikon's new body; as I suppose folks don't always pop over there, I hope nobody minds the duplication here.

Another in the Coke series - clearly; I enjoyed working it to the sound of Dylan's Blonde on Blonde. It fitted, somehow, but regretfully I can't add Everybody must get stoned because it's © blocked on You Tube. I wonder if anyone is buying that LP or disc today - maybe unblocking it might increase interest in the back catalogue?

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Mjollnir on November 06, 2013, 03:13:03 PM
I was bored last night, and picking through some (relatively) ancient LX5 RW2 files, and decided to try and really go over the top with the processing.  This isn't HDR, but I did use a filter sequence in Color Efex Pro that was pretty extreme.  Haven't used it in a few years, but I'm almost always happy with what that little 10.1MP sensor could do.

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7416/10709256204_ae8308a757_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/10709256204/)
The Slider Monkeys Found the Meth (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/10709256204/) by tanngrisnir3 (http://www.flickr.com/people/[email protected]/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Christoph C. Feldhaim on November 06, 2013, 03:24:50 PM
... The Slider Monkeys Found the Meth ...

ROFL
I like it!
My attempts in this direction:
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?topic=83749.0

Cheers
~Chris
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Harald L on November 06, 2013, 04:51:53 PM
... Another in the Coke series - clearly; ...
Rob C

Obviously you cling to curves. Must be your destiny.

Harald
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 06, 2013, 05:10:23 PM
Obviously you cling to curves. Must be your destiny.

Harald



Not to mention my preference for the upper areas of the subject...

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Harald L on November 06, 2013, 05:15:02 PM
Lunch

Whose lunch do you talking about? Does she serving or stealing the lunch?

;-) Harald
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Harald L on November 06, 2013, 05:20:15 PM


Not to mention my preference for the upper areas of the subject...

Rob C

Will come back to that when I've cleaned my keyboard...

Harald
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 07, 2013, 11:16:03 AM
Hi Keith,

I've just checked: both computers are set at 1280 x 1024, which is the max. they'll go.

The Internet one also adds the information that it's at 75 Hz and 32-bit, the other one, the PS one, won't tell me its details beyond the 1280 x 1024 part and 32-bit.

I think they love me as I love them!

Thanks for your suggestions,

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on November 07, 2013, 11:34:39 AM
Two little gems (943, 944)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 07, 2013, 02:33:00 PM
Two little gems (943, 944)



Thank you, kind sir!

It's funny with photography: nothing much happens for a while and then it comes to you in a burst of maybe ten minutes. Okay, I know the optic from way back, and that lets you know pretty much what you'll get, but the problem becomes one of what's the next trick with it going to be? Difficult to avoid being swamped by a characteristic and staying fresh at the same time. Well, c'est la vie; it's fun, and that's value enough.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 07, 2013, 02:41:59 PM
And the zoom feature - bottom right of screen in Internet Explorer - is showing 100% on both machines?

Rob, the reason I ask is because I'm siiting on the sofa with a laptop on my lap set to 125% and all images look soft!

Keith, the reason I avoided a reply to that is because I can't find the zoomer! The only time I see one show is when I look at E-mail attachments! I'd hopd to find it and not appear a total putz, but I can't find it at all.

The closest I get by right-clicking is into a window that shows me to be at the recommended ppp setting of 96ppp and not the alternative option of 120ppp that enlarges the image.

?

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Christoph C. Feldhaim on November 07, 2013, 02:46:00 PM
Keith, the reason I avoided a reply to that is because I can't find the zoomer! The only time I see one show is when I look at E-mail attachments! I'd hopd to find it and not appear a total putz, but I can't find it at all.

The closest I get by right-clicking is into a window that shows me to be at the recommended ppp setting of 96ppp and not the alternative option of 120ppp that enlarges the image.

?

Rob C

Ctrl-0 [Ctrl Zilch - not "O"]  gets you to 100% in most browsers.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 07, 2013, 03:28:51 PM
Keith, I can only do it on the other computer, the PS one.

There, it's simply:

1. Click on subject
2. Click Print Screen button
3. Open PS
4. File>New>OK>Edit>Paste>Crop
5. File>Save
6. Convert to JPEGS for E-mails.

That's on Windows XP and I use it for grabbing images etc.

This Internet computer is Vista and I have no PS in it! I haven't a clue how to do it on Vista.

Blush!

;-)

Rob C

P.S. Found it; was looking in the wrong area - it's up in the toolbar under 'Ver' which is 'to see' and you get it on a menu that comes down. Yep, it's set at 100%. I tried Chris' way and nothing moved, making me think I was already at 100%. The other computer is also setb form 100%.

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: ACH DIGITAL on November 08, 2013, 02:03:19 PM
Gió Ponti designed this house in Caracas during the 50's. (El Cerrito).
Now is a World Heritage kept by descendants from the original owners.
There is a very low maintenance budget, as you can see is a bit deteriorated.
The image is not retouched.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10120389/_DSC8994.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 08, 2013, 03:53:40 PM
Gió Ponti designed this house in Caracas during the 50's. (El Cerrito).
Now is a World Heritage kept by descendants from the original owners.
There is a very low maintenance budget, as you can see is a bit deteriorated.
The image is not retouched.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10120389/_DSC8994.jpg)


After we moved to Mallorca, I'd the dream of some day building a house to my own design. It was to consist of two principal areas: the ground floor for living, and an open space up top (without interior walls, I mean), that was going to be a studio, with a very high roof.

It never happened. It became far too expensive to do anything like that; inflation just kept on getting further and further ahead of me.

I do envy folks with the ability to indulge that final dream.

;-(

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: ACH DIGITAL on November 08, 2013, 09:16:45 PM
Rob, this house provably has some of those elements you dreamt about. Tomorrow i'll post some of the few interiors I had the chance to take.
ACH
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 09, 2013, 04:27:41 AM
Rob, this house provably has some of those elements you dreamt about. Tomorrow i'll post some of the few interiors I had the chance to take.
ACH


You enjoy making me suffer for my poverty?

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 09, 2013, 11:48:31 AM
I awoke to further confirmation that the next best thing to hope for is the local freakery known as the January Calms, when the sun reappears for a few teasing days, lulling one into that wonderfully false sense of security where one believes, despite experience, that the worst is passed.

Rain or not, nothing holds this intrepid Nikonisto back: I pulled out the Gitzo -yes, the big mother - set him up in the bedroom, opened the french windows and stuck the poor old bottle onto the tiny table-for-two (lots of wee bijou motifs around chez moi) that lives, all forlorn and abandoned at the other end of the terrace. Funny, I couldn’t imagine what I’d forgotten; of course! the camera. That caused another delay whilst I stuck on the 500 reflex again, opened the menu, eventually found the part where the plot revolves around non-CPU objectives, scrolled over the little list of them, and logged in the right one. Whew! (Digital is so fast!!)

Then time for innovation: I decided to see if the D700 did early morning Live View. It does. The FM that I did read, told me how. So behold: my very first exposure (and probably the last) with this function. If you have ever tried to mix MU, an electronic cable release and delayed action, all the while with the camera's dial set at LV, then you probably won’t choose to attempt to do it again. For several minutes I thought I’d effed the camera: it clicked away totally blacked out. After switching it all off, then turning it on again – steady – the image in the viewfinder had come back!

Yes, that new Nikon was a lost opportunity indeed…

Rob C

P.S. Trust me: the original is crisp; the glass, I meant.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: ACH DIGITAL on November 09, 2013, 01:01:26 PM
Rob, I like your coke still lives. This one really shines. I like the  freshness of style.

As promised hera are the interiors. All 3 are layered exposures as they did not allow for lighting and cable around. Hope you guys enjoy. Backwards to the 50's !

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10120389/SelecGP3%20copy.jpg)

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10120389/Select4GP%20copy.jpg)

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10120389/Select2GP%20copy.jpg)

ACH
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 09, 2013, 02:11:51 PM
Toni,

Nice pictures and a strange construction. What is that area used for? I don't pick up on any furniture for sitting on - what do people do there? The light and reflections must have driven you mad!

My own idea had been for this wide open space with a small room carved into it to hold a darkroom - you can tell I was thinking these thoughts a long time ago - and the rest, left open, was to have had a white cove at one end allowing for infinity concepts. Of course, it would have been a waste of time, even if I'd had the money: the whole point of being here was really to make use of the locations for beach pix. However, it's always difficult to heave off the memories of things one used to do, and always the expectation that they might have to be done again.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 10, 2013, 05:28:29 PM
Tried this with the little Slik sitting on top of a thick(ish) carpet; sort of self-defeating in a way.

Similar, shot with 2.8/180mm Nikkor worked well in black/white; here's another in colour instead, but with, I think, the 500 Reflex (I used both this evening, but can't remember which this is, for sure, but I do think it was the 500. No doubt going back to Capture would tell me, but what the hell.

Rob C

http://youtu.be/2EdgsWU56XA
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on November 10, 2013, 06:32:36 PM
I like it a lot Rob,

But the bokeh does not look like that of the 500 Cat.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 11, 2013, 03:42:22 AM
I like it a lot Rob,

But the bokeh does not look like that of the 500 Cat.




Hi Walter,

Thanks for the comment; I checked the details in Nikon's NX2 and these are:

8/500mm @ f8 (obviously!) and 1/10th of a sec. exposure on ISO 200.

My usual guide to Photoreflexology (!) is the circular highlights in OOF areas; but sometimes, as in the previous shot in the rain on the white metal table, these don't happen and we get an elongation effect instead, following the broad shape of the highlit leaves.

In this latest case, nothing particuarly distinguishing re. highlights at all, unfortunately - not enough spatial separation.

Ciao -

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: ACH DIGITAL on November 11, 2013, 11:31:21 AM
Toni,

Nice pictures and a strange construction. What is that area used for? I don't pick up on any furniture for sitting on - what do people do there? The light and reflections must have driven you mad!

My own idea had been for this wide open space with a small room carved into it to hold a darkroom - you can tell I was thinking these thoughts a long time ago - and the rest, left open, was to have had a white cove at one end allowing for infinity concepts. Of course, it would have been a waste of time, even if I'd had the money: the whole point of being here was really to make use of the locations for beach pix. However, it's always difficult to heave off the memories of things one used to do, and always the expectation that they might have to be done again.

Rob C

Rob,

The original furniture is scattered around the house. The space is now been used for small concerts as the house has an amazing sound acoustics. There's a lot to say about this place, even weired staff. In the studio, the wooden panels walls are reversible, they turn around help by an electrical motor and chains, from a classical studio to hunting trophies room. bah!!! Maybe it was fashionable those times.

Looking at your still lives I guess you like ManRay's. Not to be offensive in anyway.

ACH
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 11, 2013, 03:33:29 PM
Rob,

The original furniture is scattered around the house. The space is now been used for small concerts as the house has an amazing sound acoustics. There's a lot to say about this place, even weired staff. In the studio, the wooden panels walls are reversible, they turn around help by an electrical motor and chains, from a classical studio to hunting trophies room. bah!!! Maybe it was fashionable those times.

Looking at your still lives I guess you like ManRay's. Not to be offensive in anyway.

ACH


Toni, certainly no offence taken!

To be honest with you, I have not really had a history of any great interest in still life photography. I was briefly a member of a camera club (the factory had a darkroom when I did not) and never forgot the reaction when I put in an image for one of those ‘shows’ they apparently held every now and again. It was of a Chianti bottle with traditional straw base, a mandolin and some other Italian-themed stuff I found lying about the house. (I wasn’t married – I was young, obviously, or camera clubs wouldn’t have held any attractions even with darkrooms.)  I still think it was a good shot, but that’s possibly the remains of distant ego; anyway, I was told that the thing was “far too commercial” for a show. I took it as a compliment. It wasn’t meant to be. As I wrote, I was young. I constructed myself a loft darkroom very quickly after that.

The period of the 60s and 70s was a magical one in Britain for advertising imagery; there were very clever whisky and cigarette posters all over the place – you could take a White Horse anywhere, I discovered, with some star photographers actually leaving a Hasselblad A12 back in-shot!  Courvoisier did some beautiful artist’s studio imagery stuff with Adrian Flowers, I think it was. Tobacco, in the shape of little cigars, did much for the pin-up model industry. Even the delights of the sweet tooth, wrapped in glossy cellophane, took one to tropical islands with yet more girls and sunlight and palms. Let’s not even think about the travel opportunities provided by shampoo! Bergasol sun cream: twin bums, one tanned and the other not so well. No wonder people sat at home of an evening watching commercials or, perchance, spent long hours tucked up cosily at the movies with their chick under their arm and even more (and better) advertising pulchritude up on the silver screen, just in case they felt the need to come up for air now and again. Or to enjoy an ice cream. Those usherettes were certainly worth looking at, I seem to remember.

The delights of airport concourses were made even more irresistible by those fabulous, shiny, large-format photography still life adverts for fascinatingly named drinks nobody actually seemed to buy oop north. Well, yes, they did buy some of the normal stuff available in Britain, but much of the exotica was destined for export only, the expensive images designed to influence travellers in the Duty-Free. I think there were more sub-brands of export whisky than nationally distributed stuff. Just like cigarettes, in that respect.

Which has little to do with Coke bottles, especially empty ones. Why do I shoot this one so often? Because it’s all I can think of at the moment; it’s available whenever I feel the urge; gives me a link (direction?) between shots, and it’s free. Can’t say that about any girl right now.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on November 11, 2013, 05:08:19 PM
Rob,

As I understand it you were first drawn to the sensuous curves of a Chianti bottle and later moved on to more flexible, sensuous curves, so the Coke bottle has perhaps the nicest curves you can find around the house now.

If I had to choose between your earlier, professional photos and the newer, Coke series, I would likely choose the "pro" shots. But the Coke series is still quite stunning, and I look forward to more of them.

Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 12, 2013, 04:25:35 AM
Hi guys,

Thanks for the kind words of encouragement - it all helps to give an added reason for doing some of the things that we do...

Yes, Keith, travel indeed. I do think that I've always needed a purpose to travel: it was seldom enough to do the 'holiday' thing, possibly because all of my early travel was to do with domestic relocation because of family employment reasons etc. and not something about leisure. That experience spread into my own, adult life and I did most of my globetrotting with a professional cameras in hand, taking me wherever I was destined to go. And yes, I think I do mean destined - much/most of what happened in my life was probably in spite of my best efforts to eff it up, which I was sometimes able to do quite effectively - unfortunately...

As you might remember, The Canal du Midi thing has been playing on in my mind over the last few years, and I have met a couple of guys here who have taken boats through the thing, and the consensus seems to be that it's a lovely experience, but that one really needs younger bodies to do the pretty regular battle with locks etc, climbing steel ladders and generally being pretty nimble of foot. Moi?

I’ve considered doing it by car, instead, tracing the route along the waterway as much as is possible, but another chap I sometimes lunch with did that, and felt that it was a very poor and limited imitation of what he’d managed by boat.

The ideal is the holiday barge; it was something well illustrated (the experience) in the memorable Rick Stein cookalong series on his float from the Atlantic to the Mediterranean. Looking up decent Canal du Midi cruises on the Internet reveals that it’s millionaire territory – yet once again! Why are all the desirable things so reserved? Never mind, it’s all part of life’s juices and keeps us thinking thoughts of lottery wins and that kind of thing; I do have faith: the figures reveal that somebody always wins, even if they really are getting my share, poor devils. There is always next time!

What I have found in life is that doing things on the cheap is not for me, especially as I get older. Bumming along, concerned with survival, deprives one of time to enjoy the very thing one is trying to experience – you need mental and spiritual freedom to achieve that state of joy. At least, I seem to require it. That’s the difference between a well-financed commercial trip somewhere and doing it off the sweat of your own credit card. It’s also why I can’t bring myself to hire models for personal photography: money creates a barrier, a pressure that I find almost impossible to overcome. It was so pronounced with trips: when both the girls and I were being paid to shoot, we both felt free and motivated; when it was my money as in stock, I felt cramped and worried about wasting it and/or getting the best out of the investment, not conducive to great stuff at all. Doesn’t happen with a bottle!

Eric – if I get rich, I’ll do you a personal shot including both model and bottle; I promise to keep the bottle crisp.

;-)

Rob C

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 12, 2013, 11:27:13 AM
Today I broke out all the juices and exposed the sensor to a variety of situations. The first one was with breakfast, and happened when I switched off the news in disgust. The next one was a planned shot, scheduled to be made in the restaurant during lunch, but a guy sat down right in front of me and blocked the shot I was going to take later, along with my cafe solo, so I got zilch from that. I then wandered the usual wander along the boatyard and was going to make some pix of my friendly bottle facing the bay, but the wind was too strong, so I ended up somewhere quite else, holding the bottle in my hand because I couldn't keep it from blowing over if I let it go.

Also, being unable to focus by hand since both were doing something else, for the first time ever I thought that af would have been a boon. Dangerous precedent.

Now, if I'd shot in the eatery right away, not trying to be smart about it and getting the perfect frame later when more OOF people had filled out the background, I'd have a shot...

I include one of the shots I did get - obviously not by the sea, but you probably deduced that.

This one was on the 50mm.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: wolfnowl on November 13, 2013, 01:04:44 AM
Well done, Rob!  The best so far.

Mike.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 13, 2013, 04:00:20 AM
Thank you, Mike; now for a hand-held hand-held from yesterday's gale experiences.

Really enjoy my new-old 2/35mm; it's predecessor was an f2.8 version that was very crisp, but in those days I wasn't much able to use very (relatively speaking) shallow DOF - had to get my victims sharp - mainly all over: gotta see the stitches, man.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: francois on November 13, 2013, 08:00:45 AM
Rob, I love your various interpretations of the curvy bottle! Keep them coming…
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 13, 2013, 10:09:41 AM
Rob, I love your various interpretations of the curvy bottle! Keep them coming…



Thanks, Francois; several stored up - always get more than one from each attempt, but should really think about organizing them for the website. Problem is, I'm either walking, eating, sleeping (badly) or worrying about things that may never happen, and so the site gets neglected. It used to be much easier when I played with the cellphone. No idea why - they took as long to produce, but getting them posted was somehow more simple. Maybe because I did sleep better and so had more energy. But my Rolling Stones facial-arts lines are getting more pronounced, so can't all be bad.


I like this girl's accent a lot. I also like the tune - a real sucker for broken-hearts stuff. Always was, even when life was all sunshine and roses. As I said above, I always did worry too much. Okay, like a broken watch, comes the time I'm right.

;-)

Rob C

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af5TefYro8U

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: ACH DIGITAL on November 14, 2013, 09:51:53 AM
Why do I shoot this one so often? Because it’s all I can think of at the moment; it’s available whenever I feel the urge; gives me a link (direction?) between shots, and it’s free. Can’t say that about any girl right now.

Rob, certainly a growing exercise, mostly because is always the same object which lead you to be clever and creative.

Myself I'm in the middle of a dilema with some still live serie that I'm trying to put together. Maybe you guys could give me some sort of light to show me the way.
The dilema starts because I have notice that to the few people that I have sowed it, the response is plain blankness. No emotions.
I like to know your honest opinions on this. My ego is not on this set of images I can tell you, so you won't heart my feelings. >:(

I'll show you a couple.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10120389/conchas/2013-03-20-07.09.06%20ZS%20PMax.jpg)

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10120389/conchas/010813%28C%2C-9%2C-7%29.jpg)

Thanks
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on November 14, 2013, 12:35:38 PM
Antonio,

I hope I'm allowed to say on this thread that I like them both a lot. They are very moody and visceral and really appeal to my emotions.

Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: ACH DIGITAL on November 14, 2013, 12:47:10 PM
Thank you Eric, of course you are allow to an opinion. I like that word "visceral". Provably is really me in there.

ACH
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on November 14, 2013, 01:27:40 PM
Antonio, that is simply beautiful photography! Moody and filled with symbolism and allegory.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 14, 2013, 01:36:15 PM
Toni,

"The dilema starts because I have notice that to the few people that I have sowed it, the response is plain blankness. No emotions."

That's their problem, not yours. I have argued repeatedly that human photography and still life are 'creative' where I find landscape not to be. I don't wish now to offend anyone any more than I did on postulating this belief the first time; it's only how it affects me, so please don't anyone feel obliged to tell me how mistaken I am - you could be absolutely right, and I just can't see it.

That Coke thing isn't actually any more demanding of me than anything else; it just illustrates my reactions to an object when I place it in a given set. And there's the thing: I have always, genuinely, felt my landscapes to fail because I can only envisage landscape as set for something else. And an empty Coke bottle comes free!

I like your still life work and you have a good grasp of what your tools can do for you. Still life offers a huge scope for lighting skills to shine; all of my stuff is available light of one sort or another, even if a table lamp! I have no studios anymore - I just do what I can where I find it. That is the single capability that the D700 has given me that I never enjoyed before: I hardly ever find myself without enough light to shoot. That's worth a lot!

Regarding Eric's comment about passing an opinion - you may have missed his meaning, but he's right; this box is for everything except opinion in the sense of 'critique' of another photographer's work... You can like it or you can hate it and say so, but you mustn't tell him how to alter it for what you might think is the better! The other boxes invite that!

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: ACH DIGITAL on November 14, 2013, 02:44:41 PM
Thanks Slobodan, thank you Rob, sometimes I miss on the language barrier. I'm spanish.

Rob your are very right about still live imagery, is very personal and creative and should be spontaneous. A good tripod and a good eye.

Thanks for the likes.

ACH
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Bruce Cox on November 14, 2013, 07:11:33 PM
I wondered if I had the same problem with landscapes as Rob did and, if so, what to do about it.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 15, 2013, 12:57:23 PM
Shave. Shave the edges, I mean.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: ACH DIGITAL on November 15, 2013, 01:19:43 PM
Something interesting  I read: if your work appeals to everyone, then it moves no one. James Victore
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 17, 2013, 10:24:02 AM
Today's postprandial jaunt was cut in half; I persevered until my feet froze, at which point I considered it a case of diminishing returns. So I took a couple of cellpix insted.

When I got home, I discovered that the die from the cheap, black, leather shoes (tourist market bargains) had run through my white socks and into the skin of my feet. I ended up sitting on the edge of the bath, feet in soapy water. This, though it felt strangely - and unusually - sexy, did nothing to remove the stains (top quality cheap die) so I massaged a handful of bleach onto each foot. That worked, and I now have shiny feet unlike at any previous juncture that I care to recall.

Ah, these sweet, careless days of youth!

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Christoph C. Feldhaim on November 17, 2013, 10:44:30 AM
Rob - this one is for you - I think you know the place. :)
Should be good for some postprandial activities too ...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 17, 2013, 11:10:45 AM
Your shot's a classic, but I can't figure out the location.

Most mountains here form part of longer chains...

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Christoph C. Feldhaim on November 17, 2013, 11:20:14 AM
Your shot's a classic, but I can't figure out the location.
Most mountains here form part of longer chains...
Rob C

Its west of the main road, somewhere north of Can Picafort on the way to Port de Pollenca.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 17, 2013, 12:10:37 PM
Its west of the main road, somewhere north of Can Picafort on the way to Port de Pollenca.


I must look more carefully next time I do the ride; it was great when my wife took the rare impulse to drive: I got to see places and things that were never visible long enough – or at all - when I was driving. I have often thought about buying a cycle, with or without engine, just to be able to stop off in the countryside to shoot some of the things a car can't let you near. You did the Tramuntana road with me when you were here – you can’t leave a car anywhere up there. For miles and miles of beautiful countryside, it’s just impossible unless you find a mirador that’s got a space left to park.

But that’s not just Mallorca: when I lived in Scotland I did a locations test-drive along the coast of Argyll, past the ‘ancestral’ home at Inveraray (shot a calendar at Auchindrain nearby) and it was much the same: no parking anywhere. So, zero fashion shots there, unfortunately. Another truly beautiful area is the southern shore of Loch Tay, and there it’s the same: passing places and that’s your lot. In the 50s/60s, because it was pretty remote and few folks drove up there, we used to find rare stopping places and park, climb the fence and go down to the water and have lunch out of one of those delightful little suitcases especially designed for the purpose. The one we had belonged to my in-laws… sweet memories. Years later, when everyone and his dog had wheels, we’d wait for really wet and rainy days and go then; the Trossachs in particular (the Duke’s Pass above Aberfoyle), were spectacular in the gloom. I loved the rain in those days… steamed-up windows, wife and two young kids, Patsy Cline on the cassette player, fantastic sandwiches and hot tea from a flask! Innocence and genuine, unsophisticated pleasures; what you lose as life teaches you other ways.

I hate the rain now.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 17, 2013, 02:10:22 PM
Shot on Kodachrome for stock - F or F2.

Near Alaró in Mallorca, beneath the foothills of the Tramuntana range...

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on November 17, 2013, 03:21:24 PM
... Innocence and genuine, unsophisticated pleasures...

Watching "Dexter" TV series now. There is one scene where two main characters discuss what would be their dream life. Turns out, both of them longing not to become "rich and famous," but for normal life. Even if boring, even if mundane. Though enjoying simple pleasures has never been boring to me.

How I understand you, Rob!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 18, 2013, 04:12:01 AM
Watching "Dexter" TV series now. There is one scene where two main characters discuss what would be their dream life. Turns out, both of them longing not to become "rich and famous," but for normal life. Even if boring, even if mundane. Though enjoying simple pleasures has never been boring to me.

How I understand you, Rob!



Yes, I guess so.

I didn't understand it in my relationships with older family; I used to wonder why the hell they didn't learn to get over it, and get a life. How shallow that thought, and how empty of experience despite imagining one was sooo very smooth and filled with worldly knowledge, wisdom and understanding.

Far from needing to 'get a life', the problem was acually having lost one. So yeah, glaucoma comes to us in many forms.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: wolfnowl on November 19, 2013, 02:02:14 AM
Ummm... thumbs up?  ;)

Mike.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 19, 2013, 05:14:44 AM
Ummm... thumbs up?  ;)

Mike.


Only if you manage to keep them out of your eye in the excitement of the moment!

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: ACH DIGITAL on November 19, 2013, 08:38:19 AM
Rob - this one is for you - I think you know the place. :)
Should be good for some postprandial activities too ...
Christoph, beautiful Image. Very peaceful.
ACH
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Christoph C. Feldhaim on November 19, 2013, 08:57:37 AM
Christoph, beautiful Image. Very peaceful.
ACH

Hey thanks!
:)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on November 19, 2013, 09:13:47 AM
Two shots of the walk of last Sunday to Pian del Lago (do you remember Marina and her hut Rob?), West Grosina Valley, Valtelline Valley.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 19, 2013, 09:24:14 AM
Two shots of the walk of last Sunday to Pian del Lago (do you remember Marina and her hut Rob?), West Grosina Valley, Valtelline Valley.


Yes, I do, and I would rather have met her - blind date, even? - than just read graffiti about her. But hey, you can't have everything!

I particularly like the top shot: beautiful balance of shapes and colour. I always love simplicity.

Rob C

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on November 19, 2013, 04:39:43 PM
The second one is a classic amateur cliché, but a walk in the mountains is also a classic amateur cliché, perhaps only a Marina waiting in the hut of Pian del lago could make it an authentic experience... :'(
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 19, 2013, 05:33:25 PM
The second one is a classic amateur cliché, but a walk in the mountains is also a classic amateur cliché, perhaps only a Marina waiting in the hut of Pian del lago could make it an authentic experience... :'(


We can dream!

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 20, 2013, 12:22:08 PM
It's been pissing down most of the past three or four days, so I haven't gone out other than to eat.

So out of guilt and panic, I compromised the honour of this bottle yet once again this afternoon. God, it's freezing here in Mallorca.

Rob C


P.S. It's reproducing even more blurred than ever now. What a drag.

I really don't understand this. I have just opened the very same file here, outwith Lula and on the same computer used to send the image to LuLa, and it's as crisp as you'd want on the bottle and the lettering of the titles.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Christoph C. Feldhaim on November 20, 2013, 12:58:58 PM
It's been pissing down most of the past three or four days, so I haven't gone out other than to eat.

So out of guilt and panic, I compromised the honour of this bottle yet once again this afternoon. God, it's freezing here in Mallorca.

Rob C


P.S. It's reproducing even more blurred than ever now. What a drag.

I really don't understand this. I have just opened the very same file here, outwith Lula and on the same computer used to send the image to LuLa, and it's as crisp as you'd want on the bottle and the lettering of the titles.


WOW! Bondage photographs on LuLa ... Going the Newton road now?

Rob - what I want now from you is:

- The Ansel Coke
- The Weston Coke
- The Sieff Coke
- The HCB Coke
- The Lagerfeld Coke
- The Salgado Coke
- The Burtynsky Coke
- The Daguerre Coke
- The Gursky Coke
... The Photographers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photographers) Coke ..

And a final "Rob Special" Super Duper LuLa Coke !

Cheers
~Chris

 ;)


Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 20, 2013, 03:21:18 PM

WOW! Bondage photographs on LuLa ... Going the Newton road now?

Rob - what I want now from you is:

- The Ansel Coke
- The Weston Coke
- The Sieff Coke
- The HCB Coke
- The Lagerfeld Coke
- The Salgado Coke
- The Burtynsky Coke
- The Daguerre Coke
- The Gursky Coke
... The Photographers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photographers) Coke ..

And a final "Rob Special" Super Duper LuLa Coke !

Cheers
~Chris

 ;)





Patience Chris, it's raining.

Never thought about a Newton input; I do have his Taschen mini Sumo; well, ten grand's a lot of money for a trestle table and a big piece of firewood-to-be. But though he didn't seem to have discovered the naughty delights of Coke (the cola) he certainly had a way with medical instruments.

Anyway, what bondage? It's a reference to the Customs & Excise man.

I'm currently trying to find a lady who has a large-brimmed black hat and an equally black veil; with the right hat she and I might go far.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Bruce Cox on November 21, 2013, 09:42:12 AM
West 5th St.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Christoph C. Feldhaim on November 21, 2013, 11:09:53 AM
Anyway, what bondage? It's a reference to the Customs & Excise man.

The bottle is in subdued and in bondage with his/her mistress looking from behind. :P
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 21, 2013, 11:14:01 AM
The bottle is in subdued and in bondage with his/her mistress looking from behind. :P


Basically, what you are saying is that you can't really trust a bottle, and that sometimes a bottle is more than a bottle.

That rings bells.

No wonder Helmut left them alone.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 27, 2013, 03:05:27 PM
Unlike Helmut, on the other hand, I can't leave it alone. But at least I can say that I never pick it.

I spent a few minutes sending a cellpic of our wind-killed mimosa to my daughter this afternoon, and that made me so depressed that I instantly shot another Coke.

Am I suffering delusions, or did Coke not really produce bottles with the name writ large much higher up than the base, where a tiny one hides at the moment? Are these tiny ones just for foreign, non US, manufacture? I'm positive I remember a more stylish version.

Let's hope this one's crisp.

Rob C

P.S. 'fraid it isn't, but it is, if you see what I'm saying.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Christoph C. Feldhaim on November 27, 2013, 03:12:26 PM
Rob - if you go on like this the Coke Company will discover you and give you a lot of money and ask for an exhibition.
I start increasingly liking your Coke project.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Dahlmann on November 27, 2013, 04:05:56 PM
My first Tintype

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5532/11047225956_0f15dc475a_c.jpg)

Cheers Daniel
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Dahlmann on November 27, 2013, 04:07:30 PM
Melbourne CBD
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3692/10974088234_79530ab9e0_c.jpg)






Cheers Daniel
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 27, 2013, 05:51:34 PM
Rob, re our discussion about hosting images and possible blur problems, if you like you could email me the above coke image. If it arrives in my inbox sharp I could upload it to my own site and then post it here to see if the problem goes away.


Thanks, Keith, have done that now.

Other than the image itself, I see a big difference in the © symbol, which should be quite clean on my file here too, but isn't. I fondly imagine that the lettering will be sharp even if the picture is crap!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 27, 2013, 05:54:14 PM
Melbourne CBD
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3692/10974088234_79530ab9e0_c.jpg)






Cheers Daniel


Re. my own problems, your buildings look perfectly crisp to me! Can't be my computer, I guess.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Dahlmann on November 28, 2013, 01:30:24 AM

Re. my own problems, your buildings look perfectly crisp to me! Can't be my computer, I guess.

Rob C

Its a fuji 14mm 2.8 at f5.6 (if I remember right)




Cheers
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 28, 2013, 04:39:04 AM
Keith,

I've just managed to screen my website image of this B/W Coke alongside the image in LuLa; they are not even the same size: my website one appears smaller! Maybe that's why it looks as if the copy/title is more sharp on my site.

I despair of this technology!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Christoph C. Feldhaim on November 28, 2013, 05:59:07 AM
Rob - we can work on the sharpness problem when I'm in Mallorca between X-Mas and New year.
I'm quite a nerd at solving all sorts of technical or computer problems of unknown origin.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rocco Penny on November 28, 2013, 06:14:56 AM
funny.

I knew it was a coke bottle from the very start!
Of the two above, I prefer #2 for its creamy goodness.
I guess I never noticed any crummyness in the uploads Rob makes.
My favorite scenes I make are often fuzzy.
Fuzzy-good word.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 28, 2013, 10:32:35 AM
Keith, thank you a million for resolving my sanity problem; I had started to think that it stretched beyond my glaucoma (which now feels sort of semi-stable  - as in semi-virgin) and into my head.

I remember you mentioning this 'hosting' thing before, but I hadn't really undertsood what it implied. Doh!, as they write in some quarters.

I'll reread the e-mail on the topic and try again.

Thank you so much, not least for helping me regain face!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 28, 2013, 10:37:35 AM
Rob - we can work on the sharpness problem when I'm in Mallorca between X-Mas and New year.
I'm quite a nerd at solving all sorts of technical or computer problems of unknown origin.


Hi Chris,

Thanks for the offer - maybe you can come up with some other sharpening advice too; I usually just do it by looking at the monitor, but perhaps there's a deeper science! I am happy with the way my prints look, but that's something else.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 28, 2013, 10:43:38 AM
funny.

I knew it was a coke bottle from the very start!
Of the two above, I prefer #2 for its creamy goodness.
I guess I never noticed any crummyness in the uploads Rob makes.
My favorite scenes I make are often fuzzy.
Fuzzy-good word.


What first shook me about it at first, Rocco, was the fuzzyness of the captions; I know my PS6 is pretty old, but I thought that it wouldn't matter, and in effect, it didn't - there was a further factor I hadn't understood.

Hey, I feel too old a dog for these new tricks!

Woof!

Here are some more old pooches:

http://youtu.be/dm6qw_yeo6o

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 28, 2013, 02:46:53 PM
Rob, the other weird thing is when I first looked at post #433 it was so blurred that it looked like a crude scan. There was even fall off in sharpness from left to right. Now when I revisit that image it looks vastly improved.

?


I think it's something to do with the EEC and Spain's economic troubles, probably why I'm already two months late (and waiting) for my regular hospìtal appointments.

Somebody in Madrid is stealing electricity from the national grid and selling it abroad... obviously, so that my computer won't get enough. It's a plot to send us expats home.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 28, 2013, 02:48:21 PM
Chris! What are you waiting for?

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 28, 2013, 02:56:46 PM
Rob, the other weird thing is when I first looked at post #433 it was so blurred that it looked like a crude scan. There was even fall off in sharpness from left to right. Now when I revisit that image it looks vastly improved.

?


Airwaves?

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Christoph C. Feldhaim on November 28, 2013, 04:37:18 PM
I just had one thought:

Maybe the images are sharp.
But if they are stored to load progressivley and you have a bad connection,
you see only the initial part of the jpeg which has bad quality and you don't
wait long enough to see the whole true resolution.

So Rob, what you could try is, to check if the images are stored to load progressively and change that.
If that is that case and you store them to load at once and you are on a bad line you will see the
image constructing itself line by line instead of a blurred image getting sharper slowly.

And especially on Mallorca many people have terribly slow lines.

Cheers
~Chris
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 28, 2013, 04:51:52 PM
I just had one thought:

Maybe the images are sharp.
But if they are stored to load progressivley and you have a bad connection,
you see only the initial part of the jpeg which has bad quality and you don't
wait long enough to see the whole true resolution.

So Rob, what you could try is, to check if the images are stored to load progressively and change that.
If that is that case and you store them to load at once and you are on a bad line you will see the
image constructing itself line by line instead of a blurred image getting sharper slowly.

And especially on Mallorca many people have terribly slow lines.

Cheers
~Chris


You have a PM

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rocco Penny on November 29, 2013, 09:05:57 AM

...
....Hey, I feel too old a dog for these new tricks!

Woof!

Here are some more old pooches:

http://youtu.be/dm6qw_yeo6o

Rob C
OK it's been a pretty long time since I smiled like that while listening to a song,
great choice, great band...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 30, 2013, 11:42:33 AM
OK it's been a pretty long time since I smiled like that while listening to a song,
great choice, great band...


Yeah, this is the best version of this other number that I've found.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuGECUNZDIE

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Harald L on November 30, 2013, 05:10:47 PM
Two days ago on an old fashioned German Weihnachtsmarkt. A lot of Glühwein, later on changed to Feuerzangenbowle. Accompanied by some Matjesbrötchen. Yesterday I've found this precious picture on my memory card:-)

Harald
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 01, 2013, 04:21:14 AM
Two days ago on an old fashioned German Weihnachtsmarkt. A lot of Glühwein, later on changed to Feuerzangenbowle. Accompanied by some Matjesbrötchen. Yesterday I've found this precious picture on my memory card:-)

Harald



You see, now, the value of lubrication?

To balance that, you must also appreciate the penance of enforced abstention.

Sometimes, equilibrium sucks.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Harald L on December 01, 2013, 04:45:12 AM


You see, now, the value of lubrication?

To balance that, you must also appreciate the penance of enforced abstention.

Sometimes, equilibrium sucks.

Rob C

Oh yes, I do as poverty and humility lead to heaven. But I don't have to accept that a dirty rat or something else creature had must been slept in my mouth.

Harald
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 01, 2013, 10:41:07 AM
Oh yes, I do as poverty and humility lead to heaven. But I don't have to accept that a dirty rat or something else creature had must been slept in my mouth.

Harald


That's easy Harald, don't eat hamburgers not made at home. Buy the meat, make the mince and hey, way to fry fly!

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: RobSaecker on December 01, 2013, 12:23:26 PM
My first Tintype

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5532/11047225956_0f15dc475a_c.jpg)

Cheers Daniel

Wet or dry?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Christoph C. Feldhaim on December 01, 2013, 01:26:06 PM
Don't much like Sundays... everything here is pretty much dead. Maybe that's what resting does for one.

Anyway, in the wan hope that the photo-gods will choose to smile a little more crisply this time, here's another bottle.

;-)

Rob C

P.S. I guess they are still unhappy.
..image..


LOL - Rob you are cheating me !
Putting all these photographers books behind the bottle - thats not what I requested from you.
:D

Nice one again! - Love it !

Cheers
~Chris
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 01, 2013, 03:12:10 PM
Hey, Chris, the spirit's still there:  spirits of schnapps snaps!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 03, 2013, 05:43:32 AM
Thought a quick vacation was in order after all that hard work around Mallorca.

;-)

Rob C

I think I'll attribute the 'softness' this time to tequila. Grrrr...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 03, 2013, 09:18:21 AM
Rob, muy buena.

When viewing your images on LuLa you obviously click on the thumbnail to see the enlargement but are you then hovering over the enlargement to see if there's a + symbol that allows further enlargement?

On clicking the thumb I see a fairly soft enlargement but by clicking on the enlargement again I'm seeing a much sharper image.


This sure is my day at school!

Keith, I had never hovered and second-clicked; does anybody else know of this trick? I shall return to the images still remaining here and try it out - worked on this hatted shot!

((The sombrero was a silver wedding memento from one of our neighbours, half of which couple is long gone; he, the late hubby, was a delightful Canadian, a real and very generous gentleman (who used to bring doggy-bags back from various restaurants for our Alsabrador, who would wait for him every day on the edge of the terrace for her treat), and his wife is a Scot.))

;-)

Rob C

P.S. Yes, it works with all the remaining shots too, provided they start as thumbnails.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 03, 2013, 09:31:29 AM
Rob, I just assumed that everyone clicked for the full size image.

Well yes, I do too, and the difference in size between the two blowups (one click or two) is minimal - it's just that the second click makes it far crisper for me!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on December 03, 2013, 05:21:33 PM
Nice Keith.

I have been trying to think of what to do with a baked enamel bed pan I have here for about 15 years.  Motivated by Duchamp in a sense but not wanting to replicate has been the hurdle to jump.  I have other still life objets d'art to shoot but just need some wet weather to keep me indoors.

If you google Bedpan Art there are some reasonably moribund examples.

Cheers,

W
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: David Eckels on December 03, 2013, 07:03:40 PM
I have been trying to think of what to do with a baked enamel bed pan I have here for about 15 years.
Hang on to it, Walter, we'll all need one someday! ;)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 04, 2013, 04:22:36 AM
Rob, as far as I'm aware if you host your own images on your own site and refer them to here rather than download and have them hosted here then they will appear exactly as they appear on your own site, i.e. no thumbnails and no two stage enlargements.

I'll give it a try.


Keith, I did that on post #448 and it still came over with blurred captions...

That's why I reverted to the thumbnail route for the Mexican Coke because your two-clicks advice/method makes them more crisp to the viewer. I also don't want to touch my website again until Weebly tell me what's going on with my lost Home Page! I haven't even dropped the Mexican into it for that reason.

I like your leper colony image - in fact I approve most highly of the fact that the unimportant aspects of background go soft! I usually feel that infinite DOF makes concentration of the mind almost impossible - the actual 'subject' can get lost in the confusion. Unless, of course, the entire scene is the subject, but that can be too global a concept for me!

Did you hand-hold or tripod the Leica? Can you frame exactly at that sort of distance?

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 04, 2013, 10:40:39 AM
Rob, this shot was made with the M9-P before I had the new M(240). I use the Leica M9-P almost exclusively hand-held although for this shot it was tripod mounted as the light was very poor and this was a time exposure of several seconds. The M9-P is a simple rangefinder camera and as such critical framing is not possible at any distance. Critical framing is where the Leica M(240) complete with liveview and EVF excels.



I hardly dare ask: has the Hassy gone into retirement, or have you gently added two smaller millstones to the back of the Greek donkey that's waiting for your next trip?

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 04, 2013, 03:30:38 PM
Hassy is resigned to the fact that she has seen the last of Hellenic shores.


It would never have happened in the days of Victor!

I think you may be well-pleased, actually; I know that like Walter G, you haven't always loved 135 formats, but when it comes to travel and transportation into relatively difficult countryside, small suddenly becomes beautiful. As you know, I had both formats too, and it was really only at client request that the 6x6 went offshore.

I've never owned Leica because of the r/finder system not suiting my work, and their reflex machines didn't give 100% coverage in the finders either, which was vital using 35mm the way that I did. But, as I've related before, I did have experience of making prints from an M3 toting a 21mm from either Schneider or themselves, not sure, but the prints were something else: they certainly had a 'look' that the studio's Nikon did not. I think you wil be very pleased, in the long run too, and that's ever the test.

Good shooting!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on December 04, 2013, 04:07:51 PM
Well Rob abd Keith,

I guess given that Leica has just bought out Sinar, I am kind of a Leica user again, too.

LOL,

W
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on December 04, 2013, 10:37:05 PM
From the Department of Funny Billboards:

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: David Eckels on December 04, 2013, 11:19:43 PM
Very funny!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Bruce Cox on December 05, 2013, 10:53:35 AM
Once or twice, but the steady diet of them we have had hasn't helped my digestion.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 07, 2013, 02:13:16 PM
Can't say my digestion was much pleased on Friday, either. Turned up at one of my regular places expecting a ten-Euro lunch, only to realise that the menu was up to fifteen: Spanish Constitution Day. National (and local) holidays always drive restaurant food prices up by 50%.

Not willing to write off the diesel I'd used getting there, I went in and had what was, in fact, a delightful meal, far better than the usual offerings. But, before breaking bread - or anything else - I shot my dining companion sitting on the table. I wasn't sitting on the table of course - she was.

As remarked elsewhere, there are some things that cellphones don't always do all that well. These conditions find them fighting from the mat. But anyway, here it is.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on December 07, 2013, 04:58:16 PM
Your paramour is still a classy model, Rob, and well worth the extra five Euros. Keep on treating her well.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Christoph C. Feldhaim on December 07, 2013, 05:00:52 PM
From the Department of Funny Billboards:



Love it !
:D
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Riaan van Wyk on December 08, 2013, 04:16:42 AM
Not so sure about this, thought I'd let it sit in Rob's thread.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 08, 2013, 05:26:32 AM
Your paramour is still a classy model, Rob, and well worth the extra five Euros. Keep on treating her well.


On her behalf, thank you, Eric.

Personally, I think she's starting to look a bit glassy-eyed and brittle, but maybe that's just because she feels a bit miffed about posing for a cellphone! would you believe! Whatever indignity next!

She did remind me about the folly of trading away my two 500 Series 'blads, saying that only a dealer benefits from a trade, and that had I had the sense to retain even one (500, not dealer), we could really have got down and dirty together, shooting from gutter-level and making the most striking 'street' images of all time. Now she tells me; where was she when I needed her advice, friggin' decades ago? Probably being handed round from hand to hand, just like in the song about Silver Dollars.

Femmes Fatales!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 08, 2013, 01:20:59 PM
Anyway, whilst the computer still works, I've taken the liberty of shooting another nude - this time, in festive mode.
I suppose I felt I owed it to Christoph, having cheated him with the other 'photographers' shot.

Why not wish you all a Merry Christmas, whilst I'm at it?

Okay - Merry Christmas!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on December 08, 2013, 01:45:10 PM
Rob, just find a green coke bottle and you'll have a winner!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 08, 2013, 03:52:37 PM
Rob, just find a green coke bottle and you'll have a winner!

Slobodan, I fought a mighty fight to remove the green. It's the Christmas spirit: envy must be removed from my life for a month. That's not really difficult - there are few I honestly envy and am jealous of none. Okay, I do still envy the cat that I once was, but that's spiritually dangerous and might lead to retouched selfies if not ruthlessly nipped in the bud.

Anyway, you can have your fill of green in the restaurant shot.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on December 08, 2013, 06:29:39 PM
Very elegant, Rob.
And Weston never had his peppers and nudes in the same photo, to my knowledge.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chris Calohan on December 08, 2013, 11:14:49 PM
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3738/11283700533_579386ddfa_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 09, 2013, 03:46:42 AM
Very elegant, Rob.
And Weston never had his peppers and nudes in the same photo, to my knowledge.



Eric, in his day, even in NM, it would have been considered too risqué; in Mallorca it all flies, if only because most of the folks are zonked out: either asleep, looking at their bank books and shaking their heads, or just plain stoned. The remainder, like myself, wanders around by itself, speaking to nobody in particular and dreaming dreams of coming lottery wins. It's la crisis.

Miss Coke thanks you for thinking her nakedness elegant; a lesser mortal would simply have lusted.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 09, 2013, 03:47:56 AM
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3738/11283700533_579386ddfa_o.jpg)


The plot thickens!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chris Calohan on December 09, 2013, 10:52:07 AM
You're sitting in a fine cuisine restaurant - well, given the prices you suspect it's supposed to be fine dining, and someone leaves the door to the kitchen open and you have a peer inside, later giving into regret at having eaten there...I just liked the sign right next to the kitchen door: Consumer Advisory.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on December 09, 2013, 11:14:37 AM
Nicely creepy, Chris!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chris Calohan on December 09, 2013, 04:11:12 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 10, 2013, 03:39:48 PM
Getting bleary-eyed led me to thinking about how the bottle might see it.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on December 14, 2013, 07:15:18 AM
An urban anomaly ......

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 14, 2013, 10:54:39 AM
An urban anomaly ......



You couldn't make it up.

Well, unless you are Italian, of course, when you do it all the time.

Loved the movies. And to think: when I spent a year there (Italy) as a kid, seeing every change of programme at the local fleapit, all the westerns (I seem to remember nothing but westerns) were dubbed into Italian. Quite extraordinary, really. Today, it might be described as surreal.

Which is where we came in. And why you need a Leica in your life. Perhaps I should patent that: like Ford used to proclaim back then:There's a Ford in your Future! And they were damned right: I've had lots. Of Fords.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Manoli on December 14, 2013, 11:43:55 AM
You couldn't make it up.
Well, unless you are Italian, of course, when you do it all the time.

??
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 14, 2013, 01:58:32 PM
??



Federico Fellini, Michelangelo Antonioni, Sergio Leone, etc.etc... Magical image makers and mind manipulators. Quite turned my head, they did.

I love 'em all.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Manoli on December 14, 2013, 02:07:40 PM
Federico Fellini, Michelangelo Antonioni, Sergio Leone, etc.etc...

(Wasn't sure if the previous post was humorous or in earnest ..)

M
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 14, 2013, 02:21:14 PM
(Wasn't sure if the previous post was humorous or in earnest ..)

M



But I am in earnest; Italians have that something else. Look at the great cars from so many different drawing boards - the US had Harley Earl. He was wonderful, and created a total perception of the States, but he was the only one outside Italy that comes to my mind. Oh - the UK designed the E-Type. I think. Italian fashion and its photographers, its magazines and calendars, it's cities...

Nothing to be modest about, a lot to be proud of in every way.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on December 14, 2013, 02:28:14 PM
Glad you saw the Felliniesque in this happenstance scene, Rob,

It speaks to me in similar tone to the beach procession in Juliet of the Spirits.

And, as you might guess, no need for a Leica when a Linhof can please me better.

Cheers,
W
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Manoli on December 14, 2013, 02:39:48 PM
And (many some of them) a sense of humour !
M

ps
I almost forgot; apart from Harley Earl, you can add the Greek that designed the Mini, Sir Alec Issigonis.

But I am in earnest; Italians have that something else. Look at the great cars from so many different drawing boards - the US had Harley Earl. He was wonderful, and created a total perception of the States, but he was the only one outside Italy that comes to my mind. Oh - the UK designed the E-Type. I think. Italian fashion and its photographers, its magazines and calendars, it's cities...

Nothing to be modest about, a lot to be proud of in every way.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 14, 2013, 05:05:19 PM
And (many some of them) a sense of humour !
M

ps
I almost forgot; apart from Harley Earl, you can add the Greek that designed the Mini, Sir Alec Issigonis.



Now I'm disappointed!

I was never an original Mini fan, and have indeed been in a couple of the first ones. They were a disgrace, and the lack of creature comfort made my Ford Popular seem like a Lincoln! But hey, that was during a period when new cars were still very expensive and hard to get in Britain. The Pop cost around £500 in '59 and the Mini about the same for a lot less: you didn't even get a proper trunk! The new, Germanic ones I do like, but you still don't get much space in the luggage bay.  Neither, of course, does the Fiesta offer much, but then I wouldn't have bought it if that mattered today; today I shop little and carry even less on each trip.

The Mini was never a Topolino. Nor a Fiat 850 Coupé! I think the Italian car that I fancied the most (disregard the fantasy vehicles) was the little Giulietta Sprint:

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=alfa+romeo+giulietta+sprint+&FORM=AWIR

Oh well, the Fiesta's a 1.6 diesel two-door... slow from a standing start, but phenomenal acceleration when already doing about 65kph. You find yourself speeding in moments. If you want to, of course.

A small, cheap British sports car that I fancied but never had, was the original bug-eyed Sprite. I also liked the MGB GT before they ruined it with those US-regulation rubber bumpers that made it look like it belonged in a fun-fair. The Rootes Sunbeam Alpine two-seater was a little classic (there was one in Dr No), and would still have looked contemporary today. There was a US version with a V8 crammed in (I think a V8), and a pink one was part of the reward/prize for the Playboy Bunny of the Year, one year.

Funny what you remember and sometimes surprising what you forget. I always forget birthdays and suchlike.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Manoli on December 15, 2013, 04:05:13 AM
Now I'm disappointed!
I was never an original Mini fan, and have indeed been in a couple of the first ones. They were a disgrace, ...

Rob - apart from your photographic talent, you're a cross between a compendium and a connoisseur !

I agree with you about the original mini but as a design feat there are but a few to match it's impact and longevity - the Leica M, the Beretta and a few others.  In terms of contemporary automobile design, almost anything that came off the drawing boards of Pininfarina and Bertone were,  at one point, exemplar.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 15, 2013, 05:14:42 AM
Rob - apart from your photographic talent, you're a cross between a compendium and a connoisseur !

I agree with you about the original mini but as a design feat there are but a few to match it's impact and longevity - the Leica M, the Beretta and a few others.  In terms of contemporary automobile design, almost anything that came off the drawing boards of Pininfarina and Bertone were,  at one point, exemplar.

Indeed, my Fiat X1/9 was a Bertone sketch... My father-in-law used to joke that it carried my personal number plate in code: Bert One (Bert is an English contraction for Robert). Paulo B. and 9mm were a match made in heaven. A friend had one for a while, along with a machine gun. He'd commissioned a boat in Hong Kong and was sailing it back to Spain - well, powering it: a trawler yacht. They bought several guns there because of the pirate problem that existed in the South China seas even in the late 70s. I think they got as far as Singapore before deciding to ship it back instead. Anyway, I think the machine gun ended up overboard somewhere in the Mediterranean and I'm not sure about the fate of the Beretta; I wish I had it - especially now as the economy dives and more people cruise the place looking to steal.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on December 15, 2013, 08:05:21 AM
Rob - apart from your photographic talent, you're a cross between a compendium and a connoisseur !

I agree with you about the original mini but as a design feat there are but a few to match it's impact and longevity - the Leica M, the Beretta and a few others.  

Piaggio Vespa and Ape...

https://www.google.it/search?lr=lang_en&as_qdr=all&hl=it&tbs=lr:lang_1en&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=LqutUpidAoLQ7AbtroHYDw&ved=0CDMQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=626&q=indian%20vespa%20and%20ape%20piaggio (https://www.google.it/search?lr=lang_en&as_qdr=all&hl=it&tbs=lr:lang_1en&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=LqutUpidAoLQ7AbtroHYDw&ved=0CDMQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=626&q=indian%20vespa%20and%20ape%20piaggio)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 15, 2013, 12:48:30 PM
Piaggio Vespa and Ape...

https://www.google.it/search?lr=lang_en&as_qdr=all&hl=it&tbs=lr:lang_1en&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=LqutUpidAoLQ7AbtroHYDw&ved=0CDMQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=626&q=indian%20vespa%20and%20ape%20piaggio (https://www.google.it/search?lr=lang_en&as_qdr=all&hl=it&tbs=lr:lang_1en&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=LqutUpidAoLQ7AbtroHYDw&ved=0CDMQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=626&q=indian%20vespa%20and%20ape%20piaggio)


Who said the rickshaw wouldn't catch on?

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on December 15, 2013, 03:11:36 PM
The Ape rickshaw is nothing,  look here...

http://www.smtvsanmarino.sm/video/sport/ape-cross-tre-ruote-versine-racing-14-05-2013 (http://www.smtvsanmarino.sm/video/sport/ape-cross-tre-ruote-versine-racing-14-05-2013)





Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 15, 2013, 03:21:49 PM
The Ape rickshaw is nothing,  look here...

http://www.smtvsanmarino.sm/video/sport/ape-cross-tre-ruote-versine-racing-14-05-2013 (http://www.smtvsanmarino.sm/video/sport/ape-cross-tre-ruote-versine-racing-14-05-2013)




Heaven help us all!

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on December 16, 2013, 01:42:11 PM
Dynamic range nightmare, my old D90 which seldom gets used this days because of the X-E1 held up pretty well despite ISO 700. Still can't find a processing I'm entirely happy with.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on December 16, 2013, 08:52:57 PM
I few iPhonography vignettes from snowy Chicago, with a season-appropriate message:

Happy holidays everyone!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 17, 2013, 08:39:03 AM
And greetings to you too, Slobodan. Perhaps I shall attempt to hang a greetings card from around the neck of one of my girls: perhaps that wouldn't be such a bright idea; need a shot where she can hold it beside her instead.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: David Eckels on December 17, 2013, 10:02:11 AM
And greetings to you too, Slobodan. Perhaps I shall attempt to hang a greetings card from around the neck of one of my girls: perhaps that wouldn't be such a bright idea; need a shot where she can hold it beside her instead.

;-)

Rob C
Please do! ;)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 18, 2013, 03:37:17 PM
Please do! ;)


Okay, just for you and for Christoph, who so wanted me to emulate the works of certain snappers, here's today's effort with Ms Coke. As I don't want to be sandbagged by his cushion, I thought it best to go along.

I convinced her to hide her nudity à la 1978 (?) Pentax Calendar by Hans Feurer. However, she drew the line at her chiffon getting wet - thought clingy wasn't very nice for a girl of her station. Perhaps she just substituted station for age, but there you are - it hits us all in the end - if we are lucky.

;-)

Rob C

P.S. The new computer arrives tomorrow; the old one worked flawlessly all day... do you think artificial intelligence has already got there? As it's nine years old (the PS computer), perhaps AI's been around longer than we think!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on December 18, 2013, 04:06:57 PM
Welcome Plateitude:
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: -Tom- on December 18, 2013, 05:43:01 PM
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5520/11441741763_01728072f1_c.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on December 18, 2013, 06:13:58 PM
Another lady in a bottle especially produced for Rob C.  I wonder if the background strikes a chord?

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on December 18, 2013, 06:15:14 PM
And should the festive season create a desire for harmony, then here is the Andrews Sisters in their rendition:

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 19, 2013, 03:55:35 AM
Walter, would Sam sue? Or did the estate do well?

;-)

Classical shape and shapes.

Far more my thing than skeletal offerings!
 
Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on December 19, 2013, 04:20:10 AM
Sam wouldn't sue.  Not now, at least.  I hope.

Having reached the tomes down I may actually do some reminiscing over the holiday season.

I wonder if they were South African girls at that stage .... or London?  I suspect Five Girls models may have had strangled vowels.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 19, 2013, 06:45:03 AM
Sam wouldn't sue.  Not now, at least.  I hope.

Having reached the tomes down I may actually do some reminiscing over the holiday season.

I wonder if they were South African girls at that stage .... or London?  I suspect Five Girls models may have had strangled vowels.


The story I heard at around the publication time was that the girls in Five were college friends of his daughter; however, I haven't heard of a daughter since, only of his son, who took over the various website operations post-mortem. I would guess they are probably S.A. girls - some crackers there in some of the websites of S.A. snappers. Must be the climate!

I thought 5Gs was the book I really wanted; couldn't afford it at the time, and now I have the Cowboy one but don't think 5 will be reprinted. God, it was so refreshing in its day! Thank goodness for obliging public libraries of the period.

Rob C

P.S. I think chronologically they must be S.A. lasses, because Cowboy Kate, which came later, also features guns which wouldn't have been available in London to anyone but the fuzz, army or thugs. Maybe Sam had connections. What makes me wonder about Cowboy is the shots of girls in fields of tall grasses... would they do that so blithely in S.A.? Of course, I am assuming the 'daughter' lived in S.A. at the time of going to college - she may have been sent to the UK instead. He certainly spent a lot of time living in London. I am also, naturally, expecting Cowboy to have been shot all in one country, but that may not be the case at all.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Riaan van Wyk on December 19, 2013, 02:10:03 PM
Hi Rob. I have mailed my friend Harry who might know the answers to the questions about Sam's models, I have a suspicion that "Kate" was South African, but will wait for Harry's confirmation that I hope he'll post here.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 19, 2013, 02:35:10 PM
Hi Rob. I have mailed my friend Harry who might know the answers to the questions about Sam's models, I have a suspicion that "Kate" was South African, but will wait for Harry's confirmation that I hope he'll post here.



Hi Riaan,

I'm trying to find my way around the new computer just now: have got my swamp pop rock thing working as background music:

www.klrzfm.com

and I've also got LuLa into the favourites list. Still haven't sussed out how to put either onto the desktop (this is Windows 8) and as I write, everything is being underlined in red! Why the hell do they complicate everything so!

Even more odd: I put the phrase 'Windows 8', above, in brackets, and the close bracket has come up on the Preview here as a smiley and the 8 has vanished! I'll see what happens when I post. Yep, it still comes up as a smiley. Why?

I don't know if this new thing here will do me in or not; so far, the blood pressure is mounting...

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: kikashi on December 19, 2013, 05:42:48 PM
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5520/11441741763_01728072f1_c.jpg)

Interesting shot, but the horizon could do with some adjustment: it's not quite horizontal.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 20, 2013, 03:55:42 AM
Smoke and mirrors, Jeremy, smoke and mirors: hold two of them at 90° and you burn your fingers.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Riaan van Wyk on December 20, 2013, 12:19:26 PM
Rob, herewith Harry's reply:


"Hi Riaan,
 As I have forgotten my log in name I will reply to you as you can re-post.
One of his models was Gill who is living in SA. His books Five Girls, Cowboy Kate and November Girl were done in SA. He left due to constrictions from the Censor Board and his wife battled to get clearance when Pentax brought him to SA for a lecture talk. His photos was considered soft porn, a term he hated as a photo was either porn or not, like he said, being considered slightly pregnant!
 He did a pictorial for Playboy in the 70's called "Girls Of Africa", my copy has since disappeared, and possession of Playboy was illegal. Some of the girls in that feature appeared in his later works, if my memory serves correct. 5 Girls was banned in SA and my paperback copy was purchased from Corgi in the UK and got through the post without customs inspection.
 November girl was shot in Cape Town, mainly, so the model  must have being local. I think Gill was his favorite SA model.
 I am not aware of a daughter only an adopted one that died young. I only know of his sons, Ludwig and Konrad who are alive today.
Hope this helps,
Harry. "
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 20, 2013, 02:33:48 PM
Hi Riaan,

Thanks for Harry's notes: I didn't realise SA had a censorship regime on stuff like that - strange rules we make for our societies - look at Britain just a few years ago: you couldn't publish certain books that are now classics, see theatre shows etc. etc. unless 'approved' by the censorship boards.

So no daughter at college, then - stories just got invented back then, as now. I can hardly believe the two Italian chicks walked free in the Nigella Lawson case today. Even if what they stated as being the situation regarding huge personal spending on the 'company' is true, condoned if they kept silent about drugs, isn't that extortion?

Regarding Sam - I was invited to a picture show he gave in Scotland for the boss of a colour processing lab; it was really amazing stuff he projected - the best case for 120 format slides ever!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Christoph C. Feldhaim on December 21, 2013, 05:28:12 AM
Okay, just for you and for Christoph, who so wanted me to emulate the works of certain snappers, here's today's effort with Ms Coke. As I don't want to be sandbagged by his cushion, I thought it best to go along.
....

/ me pulls out an even softer cushion ... ;)

Nice one Rob! Looking forward to meet you next week - bringing a "Ken" for your "Barbie" from Hamburg ..

Cheers
~Chris
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: francois on December 21, 2013, 11:08:20 AM
Interesting shot, but the horizon could do with some adjustment: it's not quite horizontal.

Jeremy

I thought it was just me! Anyway, it's just a matter of a couple of degrees  :D
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 21, 2013, 02:30:05 PM
/ me pulls out an even softer cushion ... ;)

Nice one Rob! Looking forward to meet you next week - bringing a "Ken" for your "Barbie" from Hamburg ..Cheers
~Chris



Nah, don't bother with a new passport for Ken; Barbie, Cindy, Sindy or whoever she was wasn't part of the Campbell clan: she was just part of a Christmas consignment I had to photograph for a store back when... Action Man was one stiff prick and 'she,' B, C or S, was as (f)rigid as you can imagine in your worst nightmares... no idea why kids would have wanted any of them - maybe they never did: maybe their parents just saw themselves reflected.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on December 23, 2013, 08:33:13 AM
Ice for Coke (Zero) and Chinotto.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 23, 2013, 10:37:19 AM
Ice for Coke (Zero) and Chinotto.


Love the inner glow!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: wolfnowl on December 24, 2013, 12:42:14 AM

Love the inner glow!

Rob C

Indeed!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on December 24, 2013, 03:35:38 AM
I accentuated it a little in post production...   but it was already there.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 24, 2013, 12:21:40 PM
Oh well, I re-connected the old computer and stuck in this latest venture into the world of cinematic horror shows. Actually, there's a minor one playing itself out on my desk: the ants I saw earlier have multiplied, despite my efforts to exterminate them all. Watching them on the shiny desk, they scurry around following one lead after another. Also, when you flatten one, not only does another take its place but they seem to know exactly what you are trying to do, so they run into the edges of the notebook and along the spiral binding. Cunning, but I have more patience than they have sense. I think that's what I mean.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on December 24, 2013, 02:13:31 PM
Put some methylated spirits into a laundry sprayer and spray the little sods.  They be gone in a flash.

Oh, ..... and wish them a Happy Chriostmas as you do it.


Cheers,

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 24, 2013, 03:29:26 PM
Put some methylated spirits into a laundry sprayer and spray the little sods.  They be gone in a flash.

Oh, ..... and wish them a Happy Chriostmas as you do it.


Cheers,





So why didn't you warn me not to light a match?!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: degrub on December 24, 2013, 05:52:56 PM
Wipe the trail and area down with very dilute vinegar after you figure out what they are after. Then they have to reforge the trail.

Maybe they could be extras in a new coke series ?

Frank
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 25, 2013, 03:54:08 AM
Wipe the trail and area down with very dilute vinegar after you figure out what they are after. Then they have to reforge the trail.

Maybe they could be extras in a new coke series ?

Frank


Frank, isn't one enough already?

Regarding the ants, it's a bit worrying: most winters you never see them; they live either in the hollow bricks that comprise the building's walls or under the soil all around the property. Or in selected flower pots, and then when you water them, they run like hell all over the terrace, carrying tiny white blobs which I assume are eggs. The worry comes from the matter of scale: Puerto Pollensa (my village) is on the edge of a fairly enclosed bay. Should any of the mountains collaps into the sea, we humans would fare as the ants in the tsunami that would inevitably follow. Yet one worries about resale values.

On the Spanish news a couple of day ago I think I caught the tail-end of a spot on Hiero, one of the Canary Islands, where there has been a lot of recent volcanic action, with fumaroles pumping up through the seabed. One of those volcanic islands, I think it is Hiero, is somewhat like the original Santorini in Greece, which collapsed and cause devastation and, some believe, the disappearance of Atlantis which may have been what the original Santorini was. Anyway, part of the Canary island cliff is splitting away from its main volcanic shell, and if it falls into the Atlantic, adios Florida, NY NY etc. etc. Of course, it could offer immense aid to spawning salmon.

Merry Christmas...!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rocco Penny on December 25, 2013, 04:31:15 AM
wish I had an image to add,

short of that, pieces of continents breaking off is a  concern we share,

I never understood the fast charge to extinction having the constant threat of my beloved California heaving into the sea!

Seems you need to live in the moment to even discern such, and the fleeting nature of life's perception has never been less immediate.
Senseless self perfection at the expense of any alternative.
Poor poor ants...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rocco Penny on December 25, 2013, 04:46:20 AM
ps thanks for turning me on to Julie London!
I think she was the inspiration for Leslie Caron's character Mardou in the 1960 film of Kerouac's THE SUBTERRANEANS
Funny how that time inspired so much we all still look up to.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 25, 2013, 09:46:43 AM
ps thanks for turning me on to Julie London!
I think she was the inspiration for Leslie Caron's character Mardou in the 1960 film of Kerouac's THE SUBTERRANEANS
Funny how that time inspired so much we all still look up to.



This is one lollipop I'd truly enjoy shooting - and looking up at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=pL1Gm3fNi4Q&feature=endscreen

Rob C

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on December 27, 2013, 10:38:55 PM
Only 2 people in the park, that guy ice fishing and me taking a picture of him
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 29, 2013, 11:22:29 AM
One from Friday, showing the atmosphere around a certain necropolis of certainly more than a certain age. This is not part of the necropolis per se, more is it a vantage point from which, if you have not seen Vertigo, you may aspire to view the world of the past beneath.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 29, 2013, 03:13:10 PM
A quick, hand-held one to get something to play with in the new computer.

Thanks, Chris!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on December 29, 2013, 03:45:33 PM
It looks quite cozy, Rob.
But where's the Coke bottle?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 29, 2013, 05:15:44 PM
It looks quite cozy, Rob.
But where's the Coke bottle?


The is a she, Eric; a little respect for the lady if you please!

Where was she? She was sitting elsewhere in the room doing her nails and wondering why I was being so silly as to snap a snap of somewhere I already see every day. I had no answer for that, other than that I needed a few new files to try to get into the  - ermm - system, and one file being much the same as another, why go outside? Of course, I kept my cool and said nothing. Peace continued.

Just watched the last twenty minutes of another Pirates movie, this one with Penélope Cruz; some babe! Would gladly replace Ms Coke with her, but say nothing out loud!

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 30, 2013, 04:12:51 AM
Something I forgot to mention about the snap of the side-wall of the room, and which nobody - so far - felt obliged to notice in writing: doesn't the colouring of the painting in the gold frame match the colouring of the little sofa absolutely beautifully? The painting was my Mum's, bought in Tuscany many moons ago; it's a village/town I have seen mirrored repeatedly here in Spain.

Perhaps that illustrated one of the great things about buying 'art': it has to match the room deco! ;-)

Rob C

P.S. Something else I'd like to know: when I open these thumbnails, they now appear within a larger black hole; the question is, is this an effect of my new W8 - I used to see the original, thin black frame within which I frame my files against a white space. The effect of the thin line has now vanished into the intergalactic blackness of the cosmic wastes. Is this the universal LuLa viewing experience or simply mine?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Bruce Cox on December 30, 2013, 07:50:36 AM
On my Mac the "larger black hole" is reached when I view in full frame mode.  Likely you have other modes of viewing as well.  I am tempted to take advantage of this opportunity advise you of the benefits of posting larger [a smaller black hole], though I know you have a firm grasp on the reasons for your scale and thus my whimpering about my need to better perceive the beauty of your Mum's painting will only be counter productive.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 30, 2013, 12:27:32 PM
On my Mac the "larger black hole" is reached when I view in full frame mode.  Likely you have other modes of viewing as well.  I am tempted to take advantage of this opportunity advise you of the benefits of posting larger [a smaller black hole], though I know you have a firm grasp on the reasons for your scale and thus my whimpering about my need to better perceive the beauty of your Mum's painting will only be counter productive.



Ah, I reach a large black hole at the first click on the thumbnail; going the next step up - full-frame - does indeed fill the remaining screen area with black. It doesn't look bad at all - it's just that it forces the loss of the key-line I like to use to enclose copy and image together.

The painting's a sort of Impressionistic kind of work, rather attractive, if a bit large to transport in the back of a small UK car. When it travelled here, it came from Scotland as part of a load in a furniture truck.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: bdosserman on December 31, 2013, 01:21:43 AM
P.S. Something else I'd like to know: when I open these thumbnails, they now appear within a larger black hole; the question is, is this an effect of my new W8 - I used to see the original, thin black frame within which I frame my files against a white space. The effect of the thin line has now vanished into the intergalactic blackness of the cosmic wastes. Is this the universal LuLa viewing experience or simply mine?

I'm also using W8 (sadly), and I see a thin black frame when I click on them. Maybe the webpage magnification has been changed on your computer and this is messing with the boundary? (I find this often happens by accident to me, one of many poor design choices in the OS).

Brian
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on January 01, 2014, 04:14:19 PM
Couldn't pass today without giving her a whirl.

Spooky place, however often I pass it, which is maybe twenty-two times a week.

Really wouldn't like to be there in the dark. Irrational? Probably, but true nonetheless.

Rob C

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: David Eckels on January 01, 2014, 07:50:16 PM
Rob, you should do a "Coke bottle" show or post them all in one place. Quite a study and fascinating to see how you set up each shot.
Happy new year!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on January 01, 2014, 08:36:40 PM
She fits in everywhere, Rob, and never an eyelash out of place.
This is a wonderful series!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: wolfnowl on January 02, 2014, 02:36:32 AM
She fits in everywhere, Rob, and never an eyelash out of place.
This is a wonderful series!

Indeed... although I wonder what the neighbours must be muttering to each other with you two being out together so often.

Mike.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on January 02, 2014, 05:06:47 AM
Thank you for the kind words, folks; truth is, the thing's a m¡xture of things that come to mind before I do them and others that just happen because of where we both find ourselves... she's so hard to say 'no' to. (Flutters his own almost vanished eyelashes.)

There's a page devoted to her on the website, but it's not up-to-date right now - not through laziness, but because I can't access the Weebly account yet again! This time, it's not W8's fault - the glitch happened a few times with Windows Vista too, and currently, neither system lets me in to edit. Cookies are allowed in both machines, but so far, the problem persists. To be fair, I have not contacted Weebly yet on this occasion because of the seasonal inappropriateness of bearing bad tidings; but things change later today when the Xmas cards get bagged. ;-)

http://www.roma57.com/coke.html

That's the link to the web page.

Actually, finding a so-called project has been rather beneficial for me, and I'm a bit surprised it took so long to register with me; after all, it's just the same deal as an assignment other than the small detail that I don't get paid to do it... oh well, swings etc. If I may, I'd like to point out that feeling that undeniable need to carry on clicking does sort of substantiate a past argument where I held that becoming a pro might take more love/dedication to the medium than not... were it otherwise, at least in my case, I'd perhaps be spending more time sitting in bars instead. Not drinking, because of medical prohibition, but indulging in the art of mutual boring, which seems to be the thing around this part of expat Spain; we have experts. But then, they do enjoy the lubricational benefits of alcohol which possibly changes the concept of boredom into something else...such as the taking of pictures, perhaps.

Enjoy the year,

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rocco Penny on January 02, 2014, 09:06:17 AM
from my mostly irrelevant perspective,

I have often looked at favored artists, wondered about their lives, looked at their work, been in deep with a few as they arted (lol-arted!)
followed a few close enough to see the changes.

I haven't looked forward to a new installment by an artist in twenty years.
I look forward to every new piece you're doing Rob.
fuckin awesome man!
forgive my inability to talk like the rest of yall.
a coke bottle.
ferchristssake
I'd stand in a room full of those images for sure.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on January 02, 2014, 10:07:35 AM
Thanks for putting it so well, Rocco. I, too, look forward to every new piece that Rob does.

Keep on "arting," Rob!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on January 02, 2014, 10:36:21 AM
Shoot! Now I feel the pressure start! Just like I'd found a twenty-year old... (bottle of whisky, I mean).

Let's all unwind with memories of the local close-to-school café jukebox where I'd spend lunchtime blowing the lunch money on a packet of crisps and, of course, a Coke, instead of real food. Even then I understood the concept of soul food, well before Motown or anyone else had defined it.

http://youtu.be/BUSGKlGCIT4

Thanks again for the kindness - warms me up!

;-)

Rob C


Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on January 02, 2014, 01:39:14 PM
My fondest memories of Coke are from way back when I was about ten or so. I had a buddy who knew the secret of the big Coke machine at the local gas station. He knew just where to kick it on the side, near the back, in such a way as to dislodge a bottle without putting in a nickel.

Ah, the Good Old Days!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: David Eckels on January 02, 2014, 05:34:38 PM
http://www.roma57.com/coke.html

That's the link to the web page.
Fantastic series, Rob! Maybe we could get Michael to feature this, and maybe Rob would be so kind as to give us some teaching on "contrast, gesture, and implication" for example. I think there is beauty both in subject matter/composition and in technical execution. One could "go to school" on that series.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on January 03, 2014, 04:27:04 AM
Fantastic series, Rob! Maybe we could get Michael to feature this, and maybe Rob would be so kind as to give us some teaching on "contrast, gesture, and implication" for example. I think there is beauty both in subject matter/composition and in technical execution. One could "go to school" on that series.



David,

Well that's a very flattering post, but I fear you're both looking for, and hoping for too much from me!

There's simply not a lot to teach or to say: up until now, the stuff's produced on PS6 of which I use little but Curves and some Colour Balance, sometimes locally, as when I convert the originals to b/w via Channel Mixer (the only way I've ever tried to do it) and try to give slightly off tints/tonalities, something quite new for me which in the days of wet chemistry I disliked... I even bought a bottle of expensive selenium toner once - only once, and never used it after I read the bottle's health warnings. Apart from that, it's just a matter of stopping when I think it's the best I can do with it.

Rereading this again after posting, I suppose the bottom line is that I spent too many years in darkrooms, both other people's and my own, and the direct result of that was to learn what a print can reasonably do or not do, so there are times when I really stop after the first few minutes; there's just nothing there, not necessarily shape-wise, but in the quality of the captured file. There are lots of blind alleys in photography, and I've found quite a few of them.

Thanks again for the nice words - just wish I had something more useful to offer from this end of the discussion!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on January 03, 2014, 11:28:03 AM
Teetotal -more or less - so some walls instead. Sorry, no bricks...

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on January 03, 2014, 12:25:13 PM
Another from this afternoon, but also a new PS problem: the cropping tool goes all skittish when very near the edge of the image. This used to happen years ago on an old laptop, but never on a desktop model. If it ain't one damned thing drives you mad...

Anybody had this happen to them?

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on January 03, 2014, 01:46:58 PM
And where, oh where, is my Cokely Love in these last two images?
Inside the repair shop seducing the repairman? Playing hard-to-get just outside the window?

As for the crop tool: Is there any chance that "snap to grid" is turned on (under the "view" menu). That sometimes trips me up.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on January 03, 2014, 02:12:38 PM
also a new PS problem: the cropping tool goes all skittish when very near the edge of the image.

On my Mac if I hold the Control key while operating the crop tool it allows for far more precise increments.  By the way, if you use the crop tool in conjunction with the shift key it will preserve the original aspect ratio.

W
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on January 03, 2014, 02:29:23 PM
And where, oh where, is my Cokely Love in these last two images?
Inside the repair shop seducing the repairman? Playing hard-to-get just outside the window?

As for the crop tool: Is there any chance that "snap to grid" is turned on (under the "view" menu). That sometimes trips me up.


Yes, it was! However, switching that off hasn't helped. What happens is, that starting with the whole, freshly opened file, when I switch on the crop tool in the Toolbox and take the cursor up to the top left corner intending to drag it down to the bottom right, all works as normal until I'm about a centimetre or just less from the lower edge of the image, at which point, the lower edge of the crop stops right there and won't reach down to the bottom of the picture.

Also, when I try to move a single boundary line, the opposite one drags along with it across the image, cutting off bits I wanted to leave in! I can no longer move one edge at a time.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on January 03, 2014, 02:48:00 PM
On my Mac if I hold the Control key while operating the crop tool it allows for far more precise increments.  By the way, if you use the crop tool in conjunction with the shift key it will preserve the original aspect ratio.

W


Water, I'm currently thinking of having W8 pulled the hell out of the box, and my old, original XP put in instead. I recently discovered the original CD for it along with the code. I thought both had been long gone, but I'd simply put them into the wrong box along with the ADSL contract stuff, a place I never have need to look

It may not be so crazy: my LaCie Blue Eye Pro calibration device doesn't work with W8. LaCie have been worse than useless; the advice I got from their Spanish guy was that his worked perfectly with his Mac... Jesus, I have a PC, as he knows; is that a professional service doing its thing? Mine still works perfectly with the old XP! The other problem is that following the advice and troubleshooting moves in the PDF Help download, the steps don't include my problem (the calibration programme keeps saying no puck is connected), and the final answer, after clicking on all their closest examples of problem, is that it's an incompatibility thing, and goodnight.

Also, the SanDisk reader won't work on W8 either, despite all the various web-based advice groups I keep getting sent to by Microsoft et al.

So reverting to an XP installation in the new computer box may save me a new calibration system as well as another card reader.

I hate these companies with a vengeance. So far, it's a grand down the toilet.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rocco Penny on January 03, 2014, 05:44:45 PM
If you learn virtual machines and master this windows software I'll have a regular cow Rob.
You can manage outdated software and lost functionality by rolling back to previous versions.
Look, the easy answer is to update to student status, Rob, take a computer class, the kids will mess with your head-
how do they know this shit?
Anyhow, don't abandon things just yet,
xp was cool,
I know why you like it.
W7 is really cool, I haven't used W8.
I spent lots of time researching the thing from the advanced consumer standpoint.
You can use your outdated software.
You just have to wrap your head around it.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on January 03, 2014, 07:38:46 PM
Another vote for Win 7. It works, unlike XP or W8. And I run my Sandisk card reader that was on my old XP system with no problem. My Monaco Optix calibration thingy from XP days works fine also on Win 7. And all sorts of old software can be run easily using various "compatibility" modes.

I think it is supposed to be fairly straightforward to downgrade (upgrade in my opinion) from Win 8 to Win 7, but I haven't tried it, having avoided Win 8 like the plague.

Calm down, spend some quality time with Lady Coke, and she what she suggests.

Good luck!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on January 04, 2014, 04:17:28 AM
Hi guys,

So far, perhaps because of the 'holiday period' I have not had any really intense contact with the shop where this comp. was built, but next week I shall return, machine in tow, looking for a resolution to everything. I have to say, it's utterly ruined the photographic experience and even the imagined benefits of a more powerful outfit have not materialised to any noticeable degree.

I had no gripe with XP at all - it, like my version of PS, did far more than I was either capable of using or interested in exploring; I wanted/want the closest digital experience to the wet photography (no shower suggestions, please) experience with which I am comfortable, and had few complaints with XP until the machine went nuts. I'm amazed that since ordering the new one, the old one developed a new lease of life! Nevertheless, I still want the new machine and will keep the old as insurance.

Apart from photography, all I need is the ability to write letters and send/receive e-mail. I don't even bank with the damned things.

Oh - if the shop won't do an exchange to W7, are there any new reasons why using my immaculate, original XP CD to install XP is not a bright idea, bearing in mind my limited needs from computers? I don't seek upgrades, just hope for online security and no more money down the toilet!

Next week the new year really begins!

Rob C

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on January 04, 2014, 06:37:56 AM
Rob, I feel for you.

Yes, Windows 8 sucks, but having said that we have it on our travel laptop and have managed to get it working for us. But, if I were you, I'd have W8 replaced with W7 and start again. I certainly wouldn't go with XP as it is outdated and will soon lose all support from Microsoft.

On a lighter note, have you considered buying a selection of vintage coke bottles? Plenty of interesting variations on eBay at very reasonable prices.




Keith, I have struck gold!

I tried another route for using the existing SanDisk device, and it WORKED!

Unlike the old XP system, where all I did was put in the CD once, and once only, and download to the machine forever, what I discovered with W8 ten minutes ago is that if I put in the reader, although nothing shows up on the monitor to show anything has happened, I can then do a roundabout route to copying the files from that to a folder, from which I can open them in Nikon Capture NX2!!!! It's all manual, of course, but if I remember how to do it again next time, I'm in business!

All I need fix now is the Calibration device! Is that being greedy? (You see how conscience strikes me immediately after any success?)

;-)

Rob C (flying on air!)

P.S. Vintage Cokes. That's a new idea!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on January 04, 2014, 01:00:00 PM
As a celebratory gesture to the world at large, and for Christoph for 'encouraging' me to hike: Tomb Raider Coke makes her grand entrance.

Some mother of a cushion he sports; high-tensile steel with lead filling.

(Directly into the W8 fire 'n' brimstone via the SanDisk! Might sound like a normal event, but for me, this marked a moment of magic: it worked again!)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on January 04, 2014, 03:18:01 PM
from my mostly irrelevant perspective,

fuckin awesome man!



And so's this: where classic rock'n'roll meets classic blues.

W.C. Handy must be wondering how to make some money out of this little number!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWmVeNSGTas

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Christoph C. Feldhaim on January 06, 2014, 01:58:39 AM
As a celebratory gesture to the world at large, and for Christoph for 'encouraging' me to hike: Tomb Raider Coke makes her grand entrance.

Some mother of a cushion he sports; high-tensile steel with lead filling.

(Directly into the W8 fire 'n' brimstone via the SanDisk! Might sound like a normal event, but for me, this marked a moment of magic: it worked again!)

Rob C

I like it - as well as the one from the abandoned house!
And good to see you went back there, I myself am still working on the images I took on Mallorca, sorting from the almost 1000 frames I shot there. The area around that necropolis has a lot of interesting details. I remember a broken down stone hut which looks like being from some medieval era and other rock formations.

Cheers
~Chris



Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on January 07, 2014, 02:47:13 PM
Further head-shot spoof in honour of a couple of heroes:

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on January 07, 2014, 06:31:30 PM
Nice face-on shot, but where's the profile?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: wolfnowl on January 08, 2014, 01:55:30 AM
I thought that was the profile!?  Maybe it's the angle of my monitor.

Mike.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on January 08, 2014, 04:18:24 AM
Quite close, but both mistaken: I used the disguise of both Hurrell and Watson to purposely mislead: it's actually after Picasso: cubism, where you get all of the perspectives/elevations at once. I was going to call it Postcard from Cannes, but felt that might be a bit pretentious (hadn't thought of it, in fact) so settled for something with a more 'photographic' connotation...

Cunning, what?

;-)

Rob C

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: wolfnowl on January 09, 2014, 01:47:31 AM
Of course! Makes perfect sense, now that you've laid it all out like that.

Mike.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on January 09, 2014, 04:24:58 PM
Okay then, solitary Cokes go nuts, so in order to prevent such a calamity I introduced Ms Coke to a trio of fireside ornaments. Well, fireside, but at a level above the part where the poker and similar rough stuff reside. I wouldn't let a poker anywhere near her!

Oddly, reminds me of the garlic swan.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on January 09, 2014, 05:55:55 PM
Rob,

Was Raymond Loewy the personal trainer of Ms Coke who trimmed her proportions to render the sensuous siren with whom you currently flirt?

Possibly so.

Of course, he was also the designer of some great cars for Studebaker in a time when they produced highly distinctive mechanical lust buckets.  To say nothing of some really neat Boys' Own Annual styles steam locomotives for the Pennsylvania Railroad.

From the time of the founding fathers on, it seems there is a lot of French in many a USofA icon.

Cheers,

W
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: David Eckels on January 09, 2014, 06:36:38 PM
I might say this kind of group activity cannot be condoned here in LuLa land. I might say, but I won't ;)
PS Kinda suggestive, no Rob?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on January 10, 2014, 04:51:10 AM
Rob,

Was Raymond Loewy the personal trainer of Ms Coke who trimmed her proportions to render the sensuous siren with whom you currently flirt?

Possibly so.

Of course, he was also the designer of some great cars for Studebaker in a time when they produced highly distinctive mechanical lust buckets.  To say nothing of some really neat Boys' Own Annual styles steam locomotives for the Pennsylvania Railroad.

From the time of the founding fathers on, it seems there is a lot of French in many a USofA icon.

Cheers,

W


Walter, my memories of Studie ended in '53 when we returned to the UK from the Indian idyll, just in time to be somewhere on the high seas when Everest was defeated and a princess became a queen. Returning to Britain was a culture shock, but it did result in my first bicycle: a red Raleigh Lenton, that I instantly personalized by doing the handlebars (why is it the convention to use the plural when, in reality, there is but a single bar?) up with white tape. That was my precursor to what became more famous as the Harley Earl fins. That every other third kid also used tape is neither here not there. Well, it was there, but made not a jot of difference to the feeling in my head. I was easily satisfied.

Studebaker rings the bell for me as being the very first 'going both ways at once' car that I recall seeing. Prior to that, they all made distinctions between fore and aft design; perhaps the Hudson Hornet was also guilty of seductive, ambivalent sin... In Britain we had the silly little Nash Metropolitan. I passed a parked old Jaguar yesterday - a quick peek confirmed my long-held belief that Jag made the most handsome cockpits of all time.

David, any suggestive motifs are to be found within the personal psyche of the viewer; perhaps some see Marilyn with a soupçon d'art décoratif thrown in for company, and proof of the concept of diamonds being a girl's best friend? I simply toss the dice to fall where they may.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on January 10, 2014, 08:31:49 AM
Rob,

Was Raymond Loewy the personal trainer of Ms Coke who trimmed her proportions to render the sensuous siren with whom you currently flirt?

Possibly so.

Of course, he was also the designer of some great cars for Studebaker in a time when they produced highly distinctive mechanical lust buckets.  To say nothing of some really neat Boys' Own Annual styles steam locomotives for the Pennsylvania Railroad.

From the time of the founding fathers on, it seems there is a lot of French in many a USofA icon.

Cheers,

W


Not to mention the eponymous king of them all: Cadillac, on the banks of the mighty Garonne!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: David Eckels on January 10, 2014, 09:06:49 AM
David, any suggestive motifs are to be found within the personal psyche of the viewer; perhaps some see Marilyn with a soupçon d'art décoratif thrown in for company, and proof of the concept of diamonds being a girl's best friend?
Ah, I thought so! Are you suggesting (!) a soupçon de mea culpa? Is that like mixing metaphors? Which would be a simile, no? ;)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on January 10, 2014, 11:00:37 AM
Ah, I thought so! Are you suggesting (!) a soupçon de mea culpa? Is that like mixing metaphors? Which would be a simile, no? ;)


David, I blame no-one! Those stones - no, the other sort - are too close to the windows for comfortable chucking.

Regarding the mixing of metaphors or similes: had a friend in the late 70s who was into citizen's band radio. He used to call roundabouts MixMasters for some obscure reason; "breaker, one-nine" was a frequent phrase of his.... But he did have a really cool electrically erected aerial that came up from the tail of his car and seemed never to stop growing. Very impressive indeed, but worrying for any casual date, I'd have imagined, a sort of harbinger of things to come, though personally, of course, I don't know. For myself, the most memorable car-thing from the period was the delightful Daisy Duke of Hazzard County. She, too, seemed to have things - legs, in her case - that never stopped reaching ever upwards to the skies.

Ahh....

Rob C


Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: David Eckels on January 10, 2014, 12:39:57 PM
 ;D I just can't keep up ;)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: kikashi on January 10, 2014, 01:16:02 PM

Walter, my memories of Studie ended in '53 when we returned to the UK from the Indian idyll, just in time to be somewhere on the high seas when Everest was defeated and a princess became a queen.

Sorry to be picky, Rob, but by the time '53 came round, the princess had been a queen for some time (more than a year, when Everest was climbed). Not officially crowned, but a queen nevertheless. Assuming you're talking about Liz 2, that is.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on January 10, 2014, 01:22:41 PM
Assuming you're talking about Liz 2, that is.

Jeremy

Who, so far as Glagow based Rob was concerned would more likely have been Liz 1.  LOL

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on January 10, 2014, 02:31:49 PM
Sorry to be picky, Rob, but by the time '53 came round, the princess had been a queen for some time (more than a year, when Everest was climbed). Not officially crowned, but a queen nevertheless. Assuming you're talking about Liz 2, that is.

Jeremy


That's what might be called a matter of opinion. Without being crowned, it's like thinking you've won the lottery before your bank has the money in your account. I was going to write safely in your account, but thought that might be a bit rash.

;-)

Rob C

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on January 10, 2014, 02:33:49 PM
Who, so far as Glagow based Rob was concerned would more likely have been Liz 1.  LOL




For sure, Liz Taylor!

I never quite grasped that fact, but women swooned. I don't think many men did, though. Funny thing, sex appeal.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on January 10, 2014, 03:20:56 PM
There are tales doing the rounds that, some day soon, the bulldozers are going to move in, so maybe better to use it up whilst it still stands. I can't imagine who, in this land, would invest more money in building when the place is full of unsold new stuff going bad. But what has logic to do with greed?

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Christoph C. Feldhaim on January 10, 2014, 03:25:00 PM
There are tales doing the rounds that, some day soon, the bulldozers are going to move in, so maybe better to use it up whilst it still stands. I can't imagine who, in this land, would invest more money in building when the place is full of unsold new stuff going bad. But what has logic to do with greed?

Rob C

I particularly like this shot, especially since I know the place and how tricky it is to get a good perspective.
Nice one !
Cheers
~Chris
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on January 10, 2014, 04:52:00 PM
I particularly like this shot, especially since I know the place and how tricky it is to get a good perspective.
Nice one !
Cheers
~Chris


Thanks, Chris, I had lunch today in the same restaurant nearby: crab salad and young pork ribs... and that one, bloody glass of wine. No wonder I walked away and felt under the 'surveillance' of every cardiologist in the land! But maybe it's not a bad thing: driving back with a few more glasses behind me wouldn't be politically correct anymore, not that it ever was the sensible thing to do. That's another important thing that wives are for: driving you home from things when you can't. Hospitals come to mind.

;-(

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on January 12, 2014, 05:41:12 PM
A house wearing the veil?

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on January 12, 2014, 11:27:54 PM
A house wearing the veil?


An architectural burqa?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on January 13, 2014, 01:09:59 AM
You're a braver man than I am Gunga Din.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: kikashi on January 13, 2014, 03:33:54 AM

That's what might be called a matter of opinion. Without being crowned, it's like thinking you've won the lottery before your bank has the money in your account.

King Edward VIII?

Jeremy
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on January 18, 2014, 12:42:50 PM
Freezing cold afternoon; fire at home but I was out. Madness. Even the fish have gone somewhere else.

Shot a few frames, but zilch apart from this mildly 'possible' that filled in an empty space before making a snack. Such the rôle of retirement photography: an alternative to game-show tv. Thank goodness photography exists.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on January 19, 2014, 06:31:25 PM
Too sunny in Sydney for the Bechers .....

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on January 20, 2014, 02:52:12 PM
I'm sure that's 4x5, of course, but tonality like it is very rare for me from digital capture. Even at that size. Obviously, I don't own DMF, but I can't say anything I see posted here from DMF has that look either.

Maybe few posters who use DMF do black/white...

In the end, it's all down to the magic of real estate, and having spent too many years printing 4x5 and larger in my industrial epoch, I can vouch for the fact that even from expert printers there is something absolutely unmistakeable about the different formats at similar print sizes - even an 8x10 print reveals the naked truth. Whether such a test can hold via the Internet or not, I can't say.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on January 20, 2014, 04:33:43 PM
Thanks Rob,

You can see that I left the evidence before the jury to indicate it is film, I neglected to zap the dust spots.  LOL.

Herewith, I bring before thew Court another exhibit taken the day after.  Just a bit of fun with repeated pattern.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on January 20, 2014, 05:23:25 PM
...Just a bit of fun with repeated pattern.

A pattern that ziz-zazes? ;)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on January 20, 2014, 05:57:07 PM
Paddo Stripe 2 reveals the charming pair of legs that immediately caught my eye, as the same pair must have yours.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on January 20, 2014, 06:09:17 PM
Paddo Stripe 2 reveals the charming pair of legs that immediately caught my eye, as the same pair must have yours.

;-)

Rob C

Aaah, but Rob, the legs paused and their owner spoke to me moments previously, asking if it was alright to proceed.  Sort of courteous, non-intrusive street in a way.

W
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on January 21, 2014, 04:01:59 AM
Aaah, but Rob, the legs paused and their owner spoke to me moments previously, asking if it was alright to proceed. 

Sort of courteous, non-intrusive street in a way.


W



Sort of courteous, non-intrusive street sex, in a way.

Couldn't resist the edit!

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on January 21, 2014, 10:04:26 AM
But somebody else's legs got left on the sign.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Riaan van Wyk on January 21, 2014, 01:37:22 PM
Paddo Stripe 2 reveals the charming pair of legs that immediately caught my eye, as the same pair must have yours.

;-)

Rob C

And mine..
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on January 24, 2014, 11:56:04 AM
Sunny way to go, proving Sunset Villas isn't a new invention from Florida or California.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on January 24, 2014, 12:39:13 PM
OK, Rob, where the hell is she?

;-)
You beat me to it, Keith.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on January 24, 2014, 02:51:27 PM
You're type-casting me: this was the recce version devoid of any sexy curves! She appeared in the 'artistic' version in black/white! ;-)

Okay - here she is again, then.

No, she's not; she's sulking. I'll try to coax her out. It might be the curse of W8 again - she's friendly in PS but refuses to do anything (for me, right now) on LuLa - simply won't grow!

Hot damn! Neither, now, will the one in colour, above.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on January 24, 2014, 04:03:44 PM
Feels like my throat.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on January 25, 2014, 10:51:57 PM
wave
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Riaan van Wyk on January 26, 2014, 04:11:57 AM
I like "Tomb Raider Coke" Rob!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on January 26, 2014, 04:36:48 AM
I like "Tomb Raider Coke" Rob!

Imagine if the younger Angelina had been available... as ever, she and her fellow ladies would make the doing of everything so much more worthwhile.

;-) and ;-(

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on January 28, 2014, 01:14:39 PM
Country clambering today; decidedly not good for the shoes.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on January 28, 2014, 05:15:38 PM
I was rummaging about looking for a file and stumbled across this.  It is a view through the fortifications on the island of Tintagel across to the major fortification on the mainland.  Some day soon I hope to dig out the rest of the 4x5 negs I shot around England but this will have to serve me as a motivation for now.

W
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on January 28, 2014, 05:40:49 PM
Hi Walter,

Makes one realise what a hard life it used to be: even just visually it makes one feel uncomfortable. I doubt they faced it all with plaster and painted on Burano colours. Which is probably a pity: it would have led to a different national mindset.

Imagine: a nation devoid of empire-building genes... but that's probably wrong; the Venetians weren't backwards in going forwards.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on January 29, 2014, 01:58:07 PM
Amongst the soft and rotting timbers of the stricken pine, Lady C found a moment and a place in which to brave the UV and catch a little sunbeam, not to mention a little tan...

Naturally, no way would I have deserted her in this place of luxuriousness; who needs more forest fires? So our love lives to burn another day.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Christoph C. Feldhaim on January 29, 2014, 02:01:11 PM
Rob - this is one of your better ones !

1. She's no longer vertical - always better ... :P
2. Nice color at the edge of believability, but not over the top.

Cheers
~Chris
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on February 07, 2014, 02:43:11 PM
Some from San Francisco area
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Christoph C. Feldhaim on February 07, 2014, 03:06:07 PM
Some from San Francisco area
#1 and #4 for me, especially #1 !
Great shot !
Cheers
~Chris
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on February 07, 2014, 03:50:02 PM
Thanks!
First 3 are shot with a compact superzoom (Sony HX-50V), crap at pixel level but ok for small prints and I wouldn't get the shot otherwise (first shot is at ~ 710mm on 35 mm equivalent).
Last is with X-E1 and 55-200.

PS. come to think of my D90 with the 70-300 at 300 would get a similar picture but would be much bigger
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Christoph C. Feldhaim on February 07, 2014, 04:10:49 PM
This is a different view from the Necropolis in Son Real.
It was on the same shoot than Robs version above,
since we went together there.
So it can be seen a as sort of photographic answer.
Cheers
~Chris
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on February 08, 2014, 10:35:30 AM
Here's one that escaped the Necropolis - for the time being.

Several layers of age have been self-edited away, so I trust it fools the Grim Reaper a while yet.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Christoph C. Feldhaim on February 08, 2014, 11:01:06 AM
Here's one that escaped the Necropolis - for the time being.

Several layers of age have been self-edited away, so I trust it fools the Grim Reaper a while yet.

;-)

Rob C

LOL - Rob you made my day .. thanks!
Cheers
~Chris
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on February 08, 2014, 12:43:49 PM
Here's one that escaped the Necropolis - for the time being.

Several layers of age have been self-edited away, so I trust it fools the Grim Reaper a while yet.

;-)

Rob C
I read a mixture of emotions on that face. Some satisfaction in having memories of better days hanging on the wall, but also perhaps a bit of disappointment that your latest, Lady C, is out of reach.

Fear not, Rob. She will return to enthrall us all again.

Eric

P.S. Nice portrait, Chris!

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Christoph C. Feldhaim on February 08, 2014, 01:11:19 PM
I read a mixture of emotions on that face. Some satisfaction in having memories of better days hanging on the wall, but also perhaps a bit of disappointment that your latest, Lady C, is out of reach.

Fear not, Rob. She will return to enthrall us all again.

Eric

P.S. Nice portrait, Chris!



Hey thanks !
Usually not my speciality ...
Cheers
~Chris
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on February 08, 2014, 01:40:29 PM
Rob, I have to say you have the look of a thoroughly nice guy, which is exactly as you present here on LuLa!


That's rather nice of you Keith, but not what the Beeb will be thinking: I bought five DVD RWs the other day, expecting to record a new R'n'R 'definitive' series that's been touted for BBC 4, and what do they do? They change the effin' broadcast footprint, that's what they do! I no longer get BBC 4 as it used to be, I get a scramble. Of course, the crappy soaps etc. still come along just fine, but the HDs are all lost!

Even worse, there are ads running for Sky Arts that will include something devoted to David Bailey, and that's a channel I never had, but that doesn't mean I don't get emotions running high!

So Eric, were Chris's snap taken today, not much 'benign' would be on show!

Screeeeeam!

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Christoph C. Feldhaim on February 08, 2014, 01:59:28 PM

That's rather nice of you Keith, but not what the Beeb will be thinking: I bought five DVD RWs the other day, expecting to record a new R'n'R 'definitive' series that's been touted for BBC 4, and what do they do? They change the effin' broadcast footprint, that's what they do! I no longer get BBC 4 as it used to be, I get a scramble. Of course, the crappy soaps etc. still come along just fine, but the HDs are all lost!

Even worse, there are ads running for Sky Arts that will include something devoted to David Bailey, and that's a channel I never had, but that doesn't mean I don't get emotions running high!

So Eric, were Chris's snap taken today, not much 'benign' would be on show!

Screeeeeam!

;-)

Rob C


I'd make you look nice, believe it ! ;)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: wolfnowl on February 09, 2014, 01:59:38 AM
Amongst the soft and rotting timbers of the stricken pine, Lady C found a moment and a place in which to brave the UV and catch a little sunbeam, not to mention a little tan...

Naturally, no way would I have deserted her in this place of luxuriousness; who needs more forest fires? So our love lives to burn another day.

Rob C

Her best work yet!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on February 09, 2014, 02:40:17 AM
A variant on the water tower motif:

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on February 09, 2014, 04:12:32 AM
A variant on the water tower motif:




When you blow this up - no pun etc. - you get the impression of an atomic explosion.

I don't think this theme would fly in Somerset, UK, these days...

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on February 09, 2014, 04:25:05 AM
Her best work yet!

Were she not lying down (last time I saw her), I'm sure she'd give you a little curtsey, a tiny smile at the corner of her lips and her head bent down in modest tease. I believe her favourite author is Kathleen Winsor.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on February 18, 2014, 07:11:17 PM
In the park
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on February 19, 2014, 03:48:29 PM
One for Patricia, with thanks for an idea.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on February 19, 2014, 04:55:49 PM
Love the red dot.

;-)


Studio flash backside! Knew it would come in useful one day. I wonder if you-know-who made it? Nah, probably not...

;-)

Rob C

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on February 19, 2014, 05:03:17 PM
I wonder if you-know-who made it? Nah, probably not...Rob C

Ay a guess:  Bowens.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on February 20, 2014, 04:13:53 AM
Any more bets on Bowen? I was actually attempting to tell Keith it 'probably' wasn't M territory...

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on February 20, 2014, 04:22:00 AM
The other one from the Chuck Berry music on Youtube that fuelled the 'Red Dot' session with Ms Coke.

Love that little 105mm; best second-hand deal I ever made - so far!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on February 20, 2014, 12:22:41 PM
I didn't expect her to wander into the red light district.
Another great shot, Rob. You should make a book with these. Title might be "Things go better with Miss Coke."
Maybe the soft drink giant would subsidize the project. I would certainly buy one.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on February 20, 2014, 03:07:47 PM
I didn't expect her to wander into the red light district.
Another great shot, Rob. You should make a book with these. Title might be "Things go better with Miss Coke."
Maybe the soft drink giant would subsidize the project. I would certainly buy one.



Thanks, Eric; set up a petition and I'll do it if they'll do it!

Seriously, though, I'm thinking about it. I'd been worried about my eyes, what with glaucoma and all that, but when I went for my eye-test yesterday as prerequisite for renewal of my driving licence (three years between them - tests, not eyes) I was told I didn't need my recently-bought distance specs because the test result, run without wearing the specs, turned out quite okay... go figure. So, with driving now not an official problem, I'm rapidly running out of excuses for indolence.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on February 21, 2014, 10:03:20 AM
I think Coca Cola would be more interested in the concept rather than any specific images.

If they could persuade people to take images of coke bottles in their own environment, on their travels, in unusual situations... and then upload them to social media, well, it could well go viral.

Cheap and effective advertising.

Rob, rather than images, sell them the concept and make your fortune.



Can I copyright a concept?

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on February 21, 2014, 02:37:18 PM
I have no idea what this is but I like it
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on February 23, 2014, 05:55:41 AM
Thirsty work.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Riaan van Wyk on February 23, 2014, 12:30:45 PM
Rural roadblock.
Title: Studio Break
Post by: petermfiore on February 23, 2014, 03:26:14 PM
A studio break...


Peter
Title: Re: Studio Break
Post by: Rob C on February 24, 2014, 12:03:05 PM
A studio break...


Peter


Funny thing: I just shot something vaguely (very vaguely!) similar at lunch yesterday, but it's last in the queue and I haven't yet poured it into the computer. For once it was a very sunny day and I had the pleasure of eating outside on the terrace, so the mind strayed to thoughts of snaps, and so I snapped. As I've more or less convinced myself of the folly of doing any more of my own kitchen art - I was going to write cooking, but that would be an exaggeration - it may be a long time before I have the experience again. The shot must serve as fond memory. If it works. If not, I'll forget it quickly.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on February 24, 2014, 03:50:56 PM
Factory
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on February 24, 2014, 05:47:54 PM
Well, Peter - rushed it through tonight on the energy from Jazz on a Summer's Day.

No ice in the fridge, not supposed to touch this stuff, but some days you just think screw it!

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: kikashi on February 25, 2014, 04:02:54 AM
No ice in the fridge, not supposed to touch this stuff, but some days you just think screw it!

And quite right too. Good shot, Rob.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on February 25, 2014, 04:12:57 AM
And quite right too. Good shot, Rob.

Jeremy


Thank you, Jeremy; I'd just like to add that my escapes from the strict regime are very few - I realise it's for my own survival and the reasons for keeping away from the effects of alcohol on the heart system have been explained to me and more or less understood - and regarding this shot, my wife would have been most upset that I had lunch out on the terrace and was too lazy even to set a cloth on the table!

But she did sometimes admit that were she living alone she'd probably not work as many culinary miracles as she did for the two of us; such miracles no longer exist. So perhaps that makes us sort of morally square? I love her, anyway.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on February 25, 2014, 02:53:48 PM
Providence, RI
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on February 26, 2014, 07:54:57 PM
South America, or maybe just Brazil
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on February 26, 2014, 09:15:39 PM
.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: wolfnowl on February 27, 2014, 02:36:15 AM
A couple of random finds/cell phone shots from today.

Mike.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on February 27, 2014, 04:07:27 AM
A couple of random finds/cell phone shots from today.

Mike.



Though ultimately disappointing if you want to print large, cellpix are otherwise the best option because they are pretty much always possible to make.

And for personal fun, you don't need to print at all: the primary buzz is in the shooting, and a secondary one (buzz) might come along seeing it 'develop' in the dry dish of the monitor.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on February 27, 2014, 08:28:30 AM
Powerful protectors
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on February 27, 2014, 01:24:19 PM
Now that really is an intriguing photograph.

Rob C

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: wolfnowl on February 28, 2014, 01:54:59 PM
Should have copyrighted your idea, Rob... too late now.  Don't know what Ms. Coke will have to say to the press about this obvious imposter.  :-\

http://blogs.adobe.com/photoshopdotcom/2014/02/what-its-like-to-be-a-world-tour-photographer-at-coca-cola.html

Mike.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on February 28, 2014, 02:30:32 PM
Should have copyrighted your idea, Rob... too late now.  Don't know what Ms. Coke will have to say to the press about this obvious imposter.  :-\

http://blogs.adobe.com/photoshopdotcom/2014/02/what-its-like-to-be-a-world-tour-photographer-at-coca-cola.html

Mike.


Oh well, it was always going to happen, and doesn't matter to Ms Coke; she's above all that cheap publicity stuff. You know, the real thing, etc...

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 01, 2014, 04:39:02 AM
Things are not going well at the ranch; I mentioned the Coke impersonator to Ms C for the second time last evening, and she got quite cross: told me that I was getting too concerned about cheap wenches wearing parts of garish red paper dresses, and that it had better be the last time I mention such things.

Consequently, chastened, I thought I'd better go quite rapidly on to something else, and as the American West is somewhat distant - in fact, should you want to go there for some reason, then this wouldn't be a good place from which to start your journey - I decided to do a local, faith-based cover version instead.

Did the crusaders ever build churches in New Mexico or California? Probably not.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on March 01, 2014, 06:16:13 AM
Ms C?  Not really discernible in this scenes.  Perhaps she lurks within the chapel flirting with other, possibly polished, identities in the cruet.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 01, 2014, 09:39:39 AM
Ms C?  Not really discernible in this scenes.  Perhaps she lurks within the chapel flirting with other, possibly polished, identities in the cruet.




I've a deep suspicion that some distant relatives of hers are sitting on the tables in the distance; most everything else, apart from coffee, is too expensive for people who spend more than a couple of weeks here. I drink a lot of coffee, even though it's supposedly rationed for me too. However, having endured severe rationing during WW2, I feel I have a free ticket to ride.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on March 03, 2014, 11:21:47 AM
Down we go
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on March 03, 2014, 03:24:59 PM
Bench
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 03, 2014, 03:55:08 PM
Down we go


Is the image a cynical reference to photographers?

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on March 03, 2014, 05:54:04 PM
Geese are much more fortunate than photographers, Rob.  Geese have no shoulders for heavy bags of expensive kit.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on March 03, 2014, 09:03:38 PM
I was getting more at the down that comes from geese
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on March 03, 2014, 09:54:03 PM
Fall
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 04, 2014, 03:29:24 AM
I was getting more at the down that comes from geese


If you knew that your goose was going to be cooked, wouldn't you feel at least a little bit down?

However, I was being generous and placing them a tiny bit further up the evolutionary scale and aligning them with the mythical properties of lemmings and the proven qualities of sheep.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Empty Amber
Post by: petermfiore on March 04, 2014, 08:11:39 AM
My amber varnish jar....

Peter
Title: Re: Empty Amber
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on March 04, 2014, 09:23:55 AM
My amber varnish jar....

Peter
Man, that wine throws a lot of sediment --- outside the bottle.    ;)
Title: Re: Empty Amber
Post by: Rob C on March 04, 2014, 10:22:04 AM
Man, that wine throws a lot of sediment --- outside the bottle.    ;)



It's a nice shot, and the trick with the wine sediment is so that you can't re-cork the bottle for later if you fail to finish it in one sitting. That way, they sell more retsina. And/or get the basis for Metaxa.

Hic! 'scuse me!

Rob C
Title: Sky View
Post by: petermfiore on March 04, 2014, 06:50:53 PM
From my studio classroom NYC....

Peter
Title: Re: Sky View
Post by: Christoph C. Feldhaim on March 05, 2014, 01:51:34 AM
From my studio classroom NYC....

Peter

Interesting composition.
I like it.
Cheers
~Chris
Title: Re: Sky View
Post by: petermfiore on March 06, 2014, 08:33:07 AM
Interesting composition.
I like it.
Cheers
~Chris

Thanks Chris, very much....

Peter
Title: Ernst
Post by: Patricia Sheley on March 06, 2014, 06:46:56 PM
   ...Visit
Title: Golden crown
Post by: petermfiore on March 07, 2014, 02:46:58 AM
Golden crown...


Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Christoph C. Feldhaim on March 07, 2014, 06:06:05 PM
Peter, I like the direction you are going to with your last images posted here.
Even if some may see them in their current state as tourist shots, I see there is something behind them, not yet fully realized.
To my eye it looks like you are experimenting with very simple, maybe even simplicistic, colorful compositions,
an abstract graphical concept realized with simple shots.
Go on with them!
I am sure if you follow this yet-to-be-fully-realized thing something good will come out of it.
Maybe not in photography - maybe in your paintings - no idea where.
But I see you are chasing something and I think you're going to catch it after some time.
Cheers
~Chris
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2 / Visit 2
Post by: Patricia Sheley on March 07, 2014, 09:15:27 PM
   .
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2 / Visit 2
Post by: Rob C on March 08, 2014, 04:59:05 AM
   .



Why does this make me feel uneasy, unsettled? Does it reflect myself or something outside of me that I don't want coming in, but fear that will?

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2 / Visit 2
Post by: Patricia Sheley on March 08, 2014, 10:03:27 AM


Why does this make me feel uneasy, unsettled? Does it reflect myself or something outside of me that I don't want coming in, but fear that will?

Rob C

..."Oh, hidden deep but ever present!
     I do not know from whence it comes.
     It is the forefather of the ancestors."
              ___Tao Te Ching, Chapter Four
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2 / Visit 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on March 08, 2014, 12:06:25 PM


Why does this make me feel uneasy, unsettled? Does it reflect myself or something outside of me that I don't want coming in, but fear that will?

Rob C
Perhaps because it is a compelling and powerful image that doesn't have a simple meaning.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2 / Visit 2
Post by: Rob C on March 08, 2014, 01:22:44 PM
Perhaps because it is a compelling and powerful image that doesn't have a simple meaning.


I sometimes wonder if we aren't on the wrong tack when we consider images from a point of view of 'meaning'. In fact I wonder if a picture can ever have a meaning as such. I can see it can suggest on various levels, that it can stir memory or even fantasy, but apart from news imagery which is something quite else, specific even, or perhaps advertising which self-consciously attempts, with greater or lesser degrees of success to sell you on an idea about a product and its possible effect on you if you buy it, I think 'meaning' is a bit of a stretch when it comes to tying that word up with pictures.

Perhaps the great thing about pictures might be that they actually have no meaning, because they can just as well be thought to mean pretty much anything the viewer chooses to have them mean. Now that would seem a fatal contradiction, wouldn't it? Nothing can mean everything, or can it?

Perhaps the best we should hope for or expect is that an image (such as the shoes and chair) will make us wonder or feel something.

On a scale of that nature, then I suppose the vast majority of images means zero. Or have we generally already accepted that as fact?

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Christoph C. Feldhaim on March 08, 2014, 02:43:39 PM
Exploring the inside of my PC and the joys of off-camera flash ...
Yeah - got a new toy (Fuji Flash EF-42).

Cheers
~Chris
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 08, 2014, 03:09:28 PM
Maybe there is a story, or maybe there's not.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on March 08, 2014, 11:42:09 PM
Maybe there is a story, or maybe there's not.

Rob C
All your photos have meaning, Rob.   ;)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 09, 2014, 05:44:16 AM
All your photos have meaning, Rob.   ;)



Thanks, Eric, and harking back to another post related to the meaning of images, I think there are two separated issues to address here - not on this specifc pic - but in general: the photographer brings something to the relationship and the viewer something quite separate.

In my own case (I'm thinking here about non-commercial work though there are overlaps, of course), and especially with the Coke series, the interest is very much from the point of view of what will it look like - does the idea, when there is one that's close enough to having a form, translate into reality, and how close or distant is that result from what was anticipated. Even then, some stuff as seen in the camera changes quite a lot when it comes onto the screen and I think I want to change the boundaries to a different shape, or simply crop in to concentrate the idea; even cutting away neutral background a bit can alter the strength of a shot quite dramatically.

Perhaps that's the meaning for the photographer: a travelling between the points of departure and ultimate arrival? And for the viewer? Perhaps the watching of a little, silent documentary?

As usual, more questions than answers.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on March 09, 2014, 08:04:29 AM
HI Rob,

I think this is a very telling self portrait on very many levels.....


Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 09, 2014, 10:58:07 AM
HI Rob,

I think this is a very telling self portrait on very many levels.....


Peter


Peter, I think I might have to stop posting!

But then I guess everything that we do for ourselves is a form of self-examination. Before I had a decent camera and processing facilities (the converted loft in the family home) I was into painting. This was almost entirely due to my mother who dragged me to many galleries when I was a child under eight, and she also gathered a fine collection of books on painting and painters, which I absorbed like a sponge. I wanted to be a painter, but was thwarted by the system: I was denied art as a subject in my last school because it was deemed a class for dummies, and since my other subjects were not too bad and the school had ambitions to retain its leading place in the local school-leaving results tables, in which pursuit I was but a pawn amongst many, I was roundly discouraged by both system and, in truth, family. Art college demanded a Higher Art certificate (English version being A levels, + or -) which, obviously, I couldn't produce without being in the class...

In the end, I wasted a further four years before breaking into photography. In retrospect, not one damned part of photography has been an easy option...

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on March 10, 2014, 04:28:41 AM

Peter, I think I might have to stop posting!

But then I guess everything that we do for ourselves is a form of self-examination. Before I had a decent camera and processing facilities (the converted loft in the family home) I was into painting. This was almost entirely due to my mother who dragged me to many galleries when I was a child under eight, and she also gathered a fine collection of books on painting and painters, which I absorbed like a sponge. I wanted to be a painter, but was thwarted by the system: I was denied art as a subject in my last school because it was deemed a class for dummies, and since my other subjects were not too bad and the school had ambitions to retain its leading place in the local school-leaving results tables, in which pursuit I was but a pawn amongst many, I was roundly discouraged by both system and, in truth, family. Art college demanded a Higher Art certificate (English version being A levels, + or -) which, obviously, I couldn't produce without being in the class...

In the end, I wasted a further four years before breaking into photography. In retrospect, not one damned part of photography has been an easy option...

Rob C

Rob,
Dont you dare stop the posts. It's the reason I come to this site. I enjoy your work and your insights.

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 10, 2014, 05:48:54 AM
Rob,
Dont you dare stop the posts. It's the reason I come to this site. I enjoy your work and your insights.

Peter


So now, not only do I hobble with a sore foot, I have to carry responsibilities?

;-)

Rob C

P.S. The foot is a story unto itself: I developed a corn under my foot, wasted time before going to the doc because some days it was painful but others I wasn't even aware it was there. Anyhow, when I went to see him, he said it had nothing to do with him or the health service, that I had to go see a foot person. Well, I went to her, she removed the offending corn without any pain at all, and I walked out with a slightly lighter wallet and rejoicing in the freedom of not worrying about the foot.

Unfortunately, I had carried the thing for so long that I'd altered my normal way of walking to compensate the pressures, and that has caused me as much discomfort now that I try to return to normal as did the corn. The past few days the foot has been quite swollen, and I've applied stuff to remove the inflammation, and it seems to be working a bit...

I actually remember a time when everything functioned as per design.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on March 10, 2014, 06:35:51 AM

So now, not only do I hobble with a sore foot, I have to carry responsibilities?

;-)

Rob C

No Pressure, just pleasure.....?

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on March 10, 2014, 07:56:10 AM
Rob's foot  ;D
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 10, 2014, 11:38:11 AM
Rob's foot  ;D


You know, that, alternating with a hot tub, might just be the answer to the swelling! Let's face it: who on Lula ever read a post from a Swede with a swollen foot?

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 10, 2014, 11:39:55 AM
Okay, just to show I'm not all passive and softly romantic, here's a Weegee-mode interpretation.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on March 10, 2014, 11:41:33 AM
Ah! The international man of mystery...

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on March 10, 2014, 12:23:13 PM
Wonderful!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 10, 2014, 02:59:43 PM
Wonderful!



Thanks!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 10, 2014, 05:07:31 PM
Intriguing shot, Rob.

You'd have your work cut out trying to achieve that DOF with the Oly.


Thank's Keith, Oly etc. aren't really, really going to happen: too many formative years with Nikon mould one into whatever it is comes out at the end of the process...

Just watched another rerun of the Fleetwood Mac video I have... Stevie sure was an amazing little icon. Looking at those years, it must have been quite something being in Los Angeles. But hey, you had London!

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on March 10, 2014, 06:52:28 PM
Okay, just to show I'm not all passive and softly romantic, here's a Weegee-mode interpretation.

Rob C

Masterful, as ever...


But... Weegee-mode? Where are blood and guts?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: WalterEG on March 10, 2014, 07:07:40 PM
Masterful, as ever...


But... Weegee-mode? Where are blood and guts?

What Rob meant was that he was chomping on a big fat stogie as he took it (and possibly wearing a fedora and braces.)

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on March 10, 2014, 07:29:03 PM
And a short interruption to the bottle saga
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on March 10, 2014, 08:59:04 PM
Nicely done, Armand!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 11, 2014, 04:57:47 AM
Masterful, as ever...


But... Weegee-mode? Where are blood and guts?



It's all relative: the  very act of somebody being apprehended is bloody enough for some.

The trick is to get the action before the bullet hits! That takes anticipatory reflexes and a good sense of the decisive moment, a term that I've just coined to express the nuts of the pooch.

You do see what I mean, of course? Weegee the Elder was too slow. He waited for the sirens and then arrived after the thing had gone down. No horse-heads on the pillows for him - he would have been found somewhere else wearing a bib and shovelling pasta. In other words, he was a messy operator. The true art of any caped crusader lies in prevention: any old fool can come along later and make some snap, blow some smoke on the scene of the crime: people do it all the time, at parties, dances, in restaurants, on the beach, up mountains and in the subway, and when there's nothing else at which to point, they turn the weapon onto themselves.

Be grateful for television: it brings us game shows.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 11, 2014, 05:01:23 AM
Rob, one of my fondest memories of the 60s was a visit to the Star, a rather down at heel pub in the roughest part of Croydon - an area of Sarf London for those who ain't acquainted wiv it - to see a band consisting of Peter Green, John McVie, Jeremy Spencer and of course Mick Fleetwood.

I believe they went on to greater things ;-)




That's because they added wimmin...

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on March 11, 2014, 12:35:03 PM
The owls are not what they seem  - extra points for who can say from where this is without goggling
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Christoph C. Feldhaim on March 11, 2014, 01:26:58 PM
The owls are not what they seem  - extra points for who can say from where this is without goggling


It is stuffed - the eyes are dead and glass and it is looking out of a shop window probably ...
Cheers
~Chris
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on March 11, 2014, 04:50:04 PM
It is stuffed - the eyes are dead and glass and it is looking out of a shop window probably ...
Cheers
~Chris

I should have been clearer, I was referring to the quote "The owls are not what they seem" which is from Twin Peaks.

As for this owl being dead all I can say is that it has hiding it quite well.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: RobbieV on March 12, 2014, 03:33:56 PM
A friend and I recently opened a beer he had been aging for 16 months. Until then I wasn't aware one could even age a beer.
(http://ppcdn.500px.org/56527708/8aadc927eca3106828a6bc8ef41f4e10bddbd4f2/2048.jpg)









I also caught some nice light hitting my Manhattan while waiting for a connection. The flight was better than the drink.
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3815/12786053595_08e891228b_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: jjj on March 12, 2014, 03:43:10 PM

That's because they added wimmin...

Rob C
  ;D
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on March 13, 2014, 08:14:58 PM
Inviting
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: jjj on March 14, 2014, 01:21:55 PM
Normally, one of the cats hunts them and then wolfs them down.....
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on March 14, 2014, 04:36:00 PM
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on March 15, 2014, 02:25:52 AM
Inviting

Good.


Perhaps this is of a similar mood (except the boots...)




Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Riaan van Wyk on March 15, 2014, 04:13:10 AM
A friend and I recently opened a beer he had been aging for 16 months. Until then I wasn't aware one could even age a beer.

An aged beer in South Africa will be a novelty- the stuff hardly gets time to get cold!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Riaan van Wyk on March 15, 2014, 04:15:29 AM
Shaka's country.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on March 15, 2014, 06:10:47 AM
Nice. I like the way the bushes mimic the clouds above. Or is it the other around?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on March 15, 2014, 06:14:47 AM
Another local shot

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on March 15, 2014, 09:22:22 PM
Simple
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: wolfnowl on March 16, 2014, 01:13:33 AM
Made this image last night for a LR workshop I did today. It's not a great image by any means, but I thought it was interesting for what it is.  And what it is... is a composite of 14 images made using my cell phone, set up on a tripod, using the SmugMug Camera Awesome app's intervalometer to photograph one minute apart. The 14 images were stacked in LR using the LR/Enfuse plugin, and the result was pushed around a bit in LR.

Mike.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: wolfnowl on March 16, 2014, 01:19:33 AM
P.S. Another of last night's images. Small sensor cameras do lousy in the dark but sometimes you can pull a little something out.

Mike.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: wolfnowl on March 16, 2014, 01:20:57 AM
Simple

The first one's simple but beautiful.

Mike.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: francois on March 16, 2014, 11:26:04 AM
P.S. Another of last night's images. Small sensor cameras do lousy in the dark but sometimes you can pull a little something out.

Mike.

Looking at the thumbnail, I thought it was a bottle (not Rob's Coke bottle, of course)… I like it a lot!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 16, 2014, 11:58:23 AM
Looking at the thumbnail, I thought it was a bottle (not Rob's Coke bottle, of course)… I like it a lot!


You are right; now that I've seen it I can't see anything else!

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on March 16, 2014, 01:00:33 PM
Made this image last night for a LR workshop I did today. It's not a great image by any means, but I thought it was interesting for what it is.  And what it is... is a composite of 14 images made using my cell phone, set up on a tripod, using the SmugMug Camera Awesome app's intervalometer to photograph one minute apart. The 14 images were stacked in LR using the LR/Enfuse plugin, and the result was pushed around a bit in LR.

Mike.
Quite impressive, Mike. And I suppose that was easier than setting up 14 cell-phones on 14 tripods.   ;)

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: wolfnowl on March 16, 2014, 05:11:46 PM
Well, let's see... where can I get 12 more cell phones? My wife's, mine...

Just wanted to show people how much technology is changing photography.

Thanks for the comments, folks, and Rob, I wasn't trying to cut into your bottle theme, I swear!  It was actually another image for the workshop. Here's the original.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on April 19, 2014, 05:40:09 AM
Spent the evening last night with friends, and took a few photos using the available light, which wasn't much - stars (no moon), bonfire & mobile/cell phones. The X100s did pretty well, though at ISO 6400 and 1/15 sec, the quality isn't brilliant

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: wolfnowl on April 29, 2014, 02:04:24 AM
Not sure what Rob's up to (haven't seen him here in a month), but maybe he and Ms. Coke are busy somewhere.

Two different views of complexity.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: francois on April 29, 2014, 06:45:48 AM

Two different views of complexity.


I like the first one a lot, branches seem to come out to reach the viewer
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on April 29, 2014, 11:53:16 AM
Very interesting, particularly the first one, to find the configurations of (in) the caos is much more correct than to create configurations out of chaos.

P.S.
I hope my poor english is understandable.

P.S. 2 
Yes, I too am a bit worried about Rob, this his thread...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on April 29, 2014, 11:56:19 AM
Very interesting, particularly the first one, to find the configurations of (in) the caos is much more correct than to create configurations out of chaos...

It is much easier to create chaos. Just ask economists. And politicians. ;)

P.S. Great #1, Mike!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on April 29, 2014, 12:18:28 PM
It is much easier to create chaos. Just ask economists. And politicians. ;)

P.S. Great #1, Mike!

Don't say this to the italians...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on April 29, 2014, 07:46:19 PM
P.S. Great #1, Mike!
+1.

As for Rob, I suspect he's having computer problems since he succumbed to the lure of Windows 8.

I hope he'll be back again soon. Especially with more views of Ms. Coke.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on April 30, 2014, 10:37:14 AM
Rob is fine and has his life back!
Thanks for that, Keith.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on April 30, 2014, 12:06:45 PM
Rob is fine and has his life back!

Molto bene!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Mjollnir on May 01, 2014, 02:59:51 PM
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7370/14078277602_acf73dac6a_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ns3Rsb)Sun Shadow, Alabama Hills (https://flic.kr/p/ns3Rsb) by tanngrisnir3 (https://www.flickr.com/people/[email protected]/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on May 01, 2014, 10:14:49 PM
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: wolfnowl on May 02, 2014, 03:10:40 AM
Interesting. Took me a moment to figure out exactly what I was seeing.

And thanks, folks!

Mike.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: MattNQ on May 02, 2014, 07:45:11 AM
One of the few remaining working ore stampers in Australia -  Tyrconnell Gold Mine, Far North Queensland

(http://mattlarsen.smugmug.com/Travel-/Mount-Mulligan-and-surrounds/i-GGMVN3v/0/L/P1011527_editmod1-L.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: francois on May 02, 2014, 09:36:29 AM
I like industrial landscapes. As photographers, those places are fantastic, full of opportunities but I always try to have a thought for those who spent years working there…
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on May 02, 2014, 04:31:47 PM
An older pano that got more TLC
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on May 04, 2014, 03:59:09 PM
My son has set up a wedding venue, and yesterday I was shooting a fake happy couple as promotional material for his website. I'm quite pleased with many of the results, but really quite liked this one, so thought I'd share it

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on May 04, 2014, 04:48:32 PM
Burt? She'd look good as the runaway bride in Smokey & the Bandit
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on May 04, 2014, 05:00:28 PM
... fake happy...

Or just plain sad? ;)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on May 04, 2014, 05:04:43 PM
Well they plan on being the happy couple at his venue next year
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: kikashi on May 05, 2014, 03:44:24 AM
My son has set up a wedding venue, and yesterday I was shooting a fake happy couple as promotional material for his website. I'm quite pleased with many of the results, but really quite liked this one, so thought I'd share it

She looks wistful, and very pale: my first thought was Miss Havisham. Lovely location, though.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on May 05, 2014, 04:27:22 AM
I wanted something a little ethereal, and the light was filtered through the oak & almost spotlighting her, creating the potentially ghostlike image. Some careful fettling in Silver Efex 2 left her skin really pale, and nicely darkened the surroundings & sky. Job done.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on May 05, 2014, 08:11:27 AM
Puts me in mind of Reynolds.

That's what I immediately thought ... is the Platonic idea of the English countryside (and of the english virgins, "Britanne vergini" U. Foscolo). Beautiful and mighty oak, beautiful and mighty ropes, probably beautiful and charming bride (I can not see her very well) and... wonderful light.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on May 05, 2014, 10:17:41 AM
... probably beautiful and charming bride (I can not see her very well) ...

Here she is in more detail in a Hassyfake photo. And yes, she's beautiful

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on May 06, 2014, 03:22:07 PM
But the ropes of the swing are sublime (and, like every true sublime, a bit ominous...).
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on May 10, 2014, 01:14:43 PM
A pano from last night. Not technically sound, more like a proof of concept.

As a side note this one might make rethink my planned computer upgrade as PS with a Nik filter went out to 97% of my 16 GB RAM, 32 might not be as much as I thought it would  :(
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Mjollnir on May 11, 2014, 02:55:55 PM
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5531/14154436504_82947e46f7_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/nyMbQG)Sunrise Lenticular Forming, Northern Owens Lake (https://flic.kr/p/nyMbQG) by tanngrisnir3 (https://www.flickr.com/people/[email protected]/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on May 11, 2014, 03:29:33 PM
Very nice, Mjollnir! Nice, restrained processing as well.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Mjollnir on May 11, 2014, 08:00:01 PM
Very nice, Mjollnir! Nice, restrained processing as well.

Thanks, Slobodan.

W/all the wonderful tools we have at our disposal (LR5, NIK, etc...) I'm always worried that 'enough' while processing will end up "too much" in the final treatment.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on May 11, 2014, 10:27:26 PM
another pano, wide angle lens this time
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on June 02, 2014, 08:26:38 PM
In-camera panorama gone wrong, terribly wrong. I find it quite funny though.

PS. I couldn't have done it much better manually anyway
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Post by: armand on June 02, 2014, 08:29:00 PM
And one that came up a little better
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: wolfnowl on June 04, 2014, 02:30:59 AM
In-camera panorama gone wrong, terribly wrong. I find it quite funny though.

PS. I couldn't have done it much better manually anyway

Did a post about that once: http://www.wolfnowl.com/2010/05/panoramic-photography-and-stitching-errors/

Mike.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: francois on June 04, 2014, 05:41:30 AM
Did a post about that once: http://www.wolfnowl.com/2010/05/panoramic-photography-and-stitching-errors/

Mike.

You failed panoramas or HDRs (as well as those from Armand) can be quite interesting and very spectacular!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: wolfnowl on June 05, 2014, 01:09:11 AM
Thanks!

I just wonder what the computer was working with to create them. Never works when I try to create something like that.

Mike.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on June 09, 2014, 11:32:26 PM
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Post by: armand on June 13, 2014, 01:49:06 PM
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on June 24, 2014, 02:36:27 PM
Lake Malghera (Läch di Piän) in June. (Malghera valley, West Grosina Valley, Valtelline)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: John R on June 29, 2014, 01:12:13 AM
A multiple exposure image.

(http://johnroias.smugmug.com/On-the-Road/i-wM72SkT/0/M/June%2027-%202014%20High%20Park%20081%20smugcopy-M.jpg) (http://johnroias.smugmug.com/On-the-Road/i-wM72SkT/A)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on June 29, 2014, 01:42:00 PM
I like it, John!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: francois on June 30, 2014, 05:56:40 AM
Lake Malghera (Läch di Piän) in June. (Malghera valley, West Grosina Valley, Valtelline)

Was it early June? Lots of snow and lovely alpine colors!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on June 30, 2014, 07:36:16 PM
Was it early June? Lots of snow and lovely alpine colors!

First day of June, the winter was very snowy.
Now the most of the snow is gone, but... yesterday there was a snowfall over 2300 m. Today I have taken some shots of my favorite small pool (2300 m) with fresh snow on the background... Perhaps I'll post one if it's not too bad.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: John R on June 30, 2014, 10:07:05 PM
A few more from the multi-exposure garden. I suppose I could have posted them in abstracts thread also.

JR

(http://johnroias.smugmug.com/RBG-impressions/i-FsZkMM5/0/M/June%2030-%202014%20RBG%20049%20smugcopy-M.jpg) (http://johnroias.smugmug.com/RBG-impressions/i-FsZkMM5/A)

(http://johnroias.smugmug.com/RBG-impressions/i-gd3HF4W/1/M/June%2030-%202014%20RBG%20034%20smugcopy-M.jpg) (http://johnroias.smugmug.com/RBG-impressions/i-gd3HF4W/A)

(http://johnroias.smugmug.com/RBG-impressions/i-qNZN2b8/1/M/June%2030-%202014%20RBG%20051%20copysmug-M.jpg) (http://johnroias.smugmug.com/RBG-impressions/i-qNZN2b8/A)

(http://johnroias.smugmug.com/RBG-impressions/i-Z2ZpWbk/0/M/June%2030-%202014%20RBG%20083%20smugcopy-M.jpg) (http://johnroias.smugmug.com/RBG-impressions/i-Z2ZpWbk/A)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on July 01, 2014, 11:01:52 AM
These are great, John! And yes, they belong in the Abstracts thread, too.

Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: francois on July 01, 2014, 11:04:31 AM
These are great, John! And yes, they belong in the Abstracts thread, too.

Eric

John excels at these beautiful abstracts!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on July 02, 2014, 05:25:04 PM
As I promised (or thretened), here's a photo (three or four photos, actually) of my favorite small pool last Sunday, after a snowstorm. Acqua di Rugiai, Malghera valley, Valtelline.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: wolfnowl on July 03, 2014, 01:39:03 AM
These are great, John! And yes, they belong in the Abstracts thread, too.

Eric
Indeed.

Mike.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: francois on July 03, 2014, 06:28:38 AM
As I promised (or thretened), here's a photo (three or four photos, actually) of my favorite small pool last Sunday, after a snowstorm. Acqua di Rugiai, Malghera valley, Valtelline.

Fresh and beautiful!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on July 03, 2014, 12:55:10 PM
Taken in the garden this afternoon

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: David Eckels on July 04, 2014, 11:13:13 AM
Lovely, Bill!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: John R on July 07, 2014, 09:04:11 AM
Love my new multi-exposure settings. So easy to use. Two more from the surreal garden.

(http://johnroias.smugmug.com/RBG-impressions/i-bnZf5F8/0/M/July%206-%202014%20RBG%20107%20copysmug-M.jpg) (http://johnroias.smugmug.com/RBG-impressions/i-bnZf5F8/A)

(http://johnroias.smugmug.com/RBG-impressions/i-4zFhjwC/0/M/July%207-%202014%20James%20Gardens%20027%20copysmug-M.jpg) (http://johnroias.smugmug.com/RBG-impressions/i-4zFhjwC/A)

(http://johnroias.smugmug.com/RBG-impressions/i-smGBsQp/0/M/July%206-%202014%20RBG%20129%20copysmug-M.jpg) (http://johnroias.smugmug.com/RBG-impressions/i-smGBsQp/A)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on July 15, 2014, 12:34:11 PM
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: John R on August 02, 2014, 09:39:18 PM
Was hoping that someone would sit on the bench, but alas, it did't happen and it was getting dark, so I took a shot anyway.

JR

(http://johnroias.smugmug.com/RBG-impressions/i-mxCZG2P/0/M/July%2031-%202014%20James%20Gardens%20214%20copy1000-M.jpg) (http://johnroias.smugmug.com/RBG-impressions/i-mxCZG2P/A)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: pegelli on August 03, 2014, 09:01:38 AM
The amount of selfies taken these days is enormous

(http://pegelli.smugmug.com/Other/201403/i-TzF6Mgq/0/O/PEG_Nex6_1_03785_20140308-L.jpg) (http://pegelli.smugmug.com/Other/201403/37538424_4MRGbR#!i=3418295279&k=TzF6Mgq&lb=1&s=A)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on August 03, 2014, 09:32:15 AM
A photo of someone photographing themselves being photographed whilst photographing themselves being photographed whilst ... how far down the rabbit hole does this go?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: pegelli on August 03, 2014, 10:05:57 AM
... how far down the rabbit hole does this go?
Bill, it's called the Droste effect: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droste_effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droste_effect)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on August 10, 2014, 08:20:40 AM
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on August 10, 2014, 09:38:13 PM
Great shot, I really like the opposition between the dark storm clouds and the flipped boat
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: francois on August 11, 2014, 04:07:51 AM
Lovely! One wants to take shelter under the boat…
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on August 11, 2014, 07:03:47 AM
Thanks both. If shelter was needed, the Anchor Inn was about 30 yards away, and their Palmer's Best Bitter was very nice :-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: pegelli on August 12, 2014, 11:43:43 AM
Frustrated Epson users seeking revenge with street art  :P

NEX5 + E20/2.8

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on August 14, 2014, 10:08:10 PM
Water slide.

Samsung Galaxy S5
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on August 18, 2014, 07:01:18 PM
Extreme sports
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on August 18, 2014, 07:09:13 PM
Extreme sports

I bet she prays for a soft landing :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on August 18, 2014, 07:10:09 PM
Sitting on the edge:

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: John R on August 18, 2014, 07:14:24 PM
Hey Slobodan, that is good find and shot. Someone should commend the owner for being so creative.

Here is one I took today. A little soft, but I still like it.

JR

(http://johnroias.smugmug.com/Badlands-of-Caledon/i-dKhbrbS/0/M/Aug%2018-%202013%20Caledon%20Badlands%20040%20smugcopy-M.jpg) (http://johnroias.smugmug.com/Badlands-of-Caledon/i-dKhbrbS/A)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on August 19, 2014, 06:26:44 PM
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on August 22, 2014, 05:32:44 PM
Orobie Alps from the arcade of the Church of St. Bartholomew, Caspano, Valtelline.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on August 22, 2014, 06:34:58 PM
Some great shots in this thread recently. They make a fine tribute to Rob C who started the thread.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on August 23, 2014, 08:11:41 AM
Tribute? Has he died or something?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: David Eckels on August 23, 2014, 08:36:48 AM
Tribute? Has he died or something?
I think I saw in another post, that Russ had just talked with him. That's all I know.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on August 23, 2014, 08:42:05 AM
Tribute? Has he died or something?

No, he is doing just fine. Then again, "tribute" does not necessarily imply "dead" either. Though, truth to be told, I had to check a dictionary to make sure. My initial reaction was just like Bill's and I was thinking "Does Eric know something I don't?" My last correspondence with Rob was only a few days ago.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on August 23, 2014, 08:58:17 AM
No, sorry for the confusion.
As far as I know he's just fine, but he doesn't check in on LuLa very often any more, which is our loss. He has many friends and admirers here.

I had become quite fond of his "Ms. Coke" portraits as well as his commentaries.

Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: kikashi on August 24, 2014, 12:57:29 PM
And all I had with me was my iPhone.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: David Eckels on August 24, 2014, 01:12:05 PM
And all I had with me was my iPhone.

Jeremy
"The best camera...." Maizel, I think.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on August 24, 2014, 01:19:37 PM
Glad he's not shuffled off this mortal coil. I too enjoyed the Coke bottle series
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on August 25, 2014, 12:35:51 PM
Pizzo Argent and Pizzo Zupò from Poschiavina Valley (Malenco Valley, Valtelline).
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: pegelli on August 27, 2014, 02:50:11 PM
(http://pegelli.smugmug.com/Other/201405/i-dp7xjR5/0/O/PEG_NEX6_1_04797_20140504-L.jpg) (http://pegelli.smugmug.com/Other/201405/40682682_jsxvJD#!i=3491208165&k=dp7xjR5&lb=1&s=A)

Stern warning in a Philly train station
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on September 02, 2014, 09:04:42 PM
Kiss me
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on September 03, 2014, 10:11:39 PM
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: David Eckels on September 03, 2014, 10:40:33 PM
Armand, oh my! Excellent!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on September 03, 2014, 11:50:53 PM
Armand, oh my! Excellent!
+1.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on September 04, 2014, 03:38:59 AM
+ eleventy thousand.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on September 04, 2014, 10:15:02 AM
 The owl è un amore.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on September 04, 2014, 01:38:07 PM
Thank you!
While a lucky shot I also had plenty of bad luck.
This is in Muir Woods, just above the paved trail. We were walking and finally saw the owl when we were just under. For several moments the questions was if it's a prank or real until it moved.
I had the XT-1 with the 18-55, a little short but was able to get several shots.
Then my memory card filled. Got a new one but the owl flew at the edge of the stream where it caught something that was moving and trying to escape. A little too far so I quickly changed the lens to the 55-200 (a mistake in retrospect). Tried to take another shot but my battery died. Got a new battery in but the thing escaped before I was ready and the owl flew to another tree where I got many shots but none that interesting.

As you may know it's very dark in there and it was afternoon anyway so ISO 6400 and low exposure times were a must. Technically the photo quality is borderline, I had to crop and the owl is of course lit up in post processing which is less real but that's how it felt when I saw it just above me. Quite noisy and barely sharp enough, but good enough for at least an 8x10.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on September 05, 2014, 09:49:08 PM
Haven and Freedom
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on September 06, 2014, 09:48:46 PM
Photographer
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on September 07, 2014, 09:57:10 PM
Fall
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on September 08, 2014, 06:59:24 AM
Very good, exposure time 1/20 or a little faster ?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on September 08, 2014, 11:26:50 AM
Very good, exposure time 1/20 or a little faster ?

1/105
It's a handheld 3-frame panorama.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on September 08, 2014, 11:33:00 AM
I take it back, partially at least.
I was using the technique of focus in the same spot, hold the shutter half-way and recompose; it seems it didn't lock my exposure, so the exposures are from the top 1/90, 1/80, 1/105.
As it is I don't see any obvious stitching errors.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: David Eckels on September 08, 2014, 12:58:10 PM
I take it back, partially at least.
I was using the technique of focus in the same spot, hold the shutter half-way and recompose; it seems it didn't lock my exposure, so the exposures are from the top 1/90, 1/80, 1/105.
As it is I don't see any obvious stitching errors.
Interesting outcome. Congrats, I think it's a fine shot, maybe better than what would have occurred with exposure lock. Just speculating, but it makes me want to try this "on purpose."
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on September 08, 2014, 10:30:10 PM
saving a blurry shot
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on September 10, 2014, 01:18:47 PM
Bright and sunny
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on September 11, 2014, 11:34:12 PM
My pathetic attempt to record the Milky Way (a failure on multiple levels, preparation being the first) and a nice sunset
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on September 12, 2014, 11:22:48 PM
I guess everyone who went here has most of these.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: wolfnowl on September 13, 2014, 09:44:11 PM
I've seen a number of Barred Owls, but never one quite so... 'luminous'! Fits well with this site.  :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: wolfnowl on September 13, 2014, 09:45:06 PM
Summer storm.

Cell phone, hand held, several exposures combined in post.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on September 15, 2014, 01:31:36 PM
Trail encounter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: wolfnowl on September 15, 2014, 06:01:37 PM
Out for a stroll?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on September 15, 2014, 06:59:32 PM
Out for a stroll?

Definitely the eyes were red mad that I interrupted him/her
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on September 17, 2014, 03:44:56 PM
Clouds and rocks.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: jjj on September 17, 2014, 09:16:45 PM
Trail encounter
Never seen a tortoise that hungover before.  :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on September 17, 2014, 09:56:21 PM
Never seen a tortoise that hungover before.  :)


I cannot vouch for her previous actions, all I can say she was quite slow  ;), this shot is in macro mode with a RX100 probably 5-10" from her nose.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: jjj on September 18, 2014, 09:19:41 PM
I cannot vouch for her previous actions, all I can say she was quite slow  ;), this shot is in macro mode with a RX100 probably 5-10" from her nose.
They're really fast if they've not been out on the raz the night before.   ;D
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on September 19, 2014, 01:28:01 AM
Cloudy days
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on September 19, 2014, 01:47:41 AM
Cloudy days

Very 3D!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on September 19, 2014, 09:21:06 AM
Cloudy days

Very nice, simple yet powerful
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on September 19, 2014, 10:43:06 AM
Very nice, simple yet powerful
+1.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on September 19, 2014, 02:55:03 PM
Indeed I had seen the effect 3D in the viewfinder and in Live view and shot for that,  but I suspect that the Elmarit R 100 apo macro gave his personal contribute to the final effect... (I will not fall in lenses mysticism, but... yes, I've fallen in love for this german girl...)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on September 19, 2014, 03:56:48 PM
Reality is overrated
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on September 19, 2014, 03:59:08 PM
Aliens on the beach
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on September 20, 2014, 03:51:36 PM
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on September 20, 2014, 04:12:16 PM
Looking again at that turtle shot I realized the white balance was off by a mile, here is a corrected one.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on September 20, 2014, 04:19:16 PM
We've had the hand of man, well here's the feet of women

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: kikashi on September 21, 2014, 04:25:44 AM
We've had the hand of man, well here's the feet of women

Nice.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: jjj on September 21, 2014, 12:43:29 PM
Looking again at that turtle shot I realized the white balance was off by a mile, here is a corrected one.
Much better and still as grumpy.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: jjj on September 21, 2014, 12:51:24 PM
Visiting a friend in Loire valley when he lived in the rather small and remote village of Mossac-Bas.
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on September 22, 2014, 11:24:38 PM
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: pegelli on September 24, 2014, 09:29:47 AM
Those of you who know (of) Herman Brood will probably agree that he would have kicked some butt if he would have seen these ugly/kitchy artificial flowers trying to "spice up" his exhibition.

(http://pegelli.smugmug.com/Other/201409/i-VXDWvT4/0/O/PEG_NEX6_1_05597_20140922-L.jpg) (http://pegelli.smugmug.com/Other/201409/44128278_xp4GsH#!i=3558841908&k=VXDWvT4&lb=1&s=A)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on September 27, 2014, 11:23:36 PM
this morning
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: kikashi on September 28, 2014, 01:59:22 PM
this morning

Nice pair of shots. Can you pull back the highlights on the leaves in the first, just a bit? They don't look blown but they seem to be lacking detail.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on September 28, 2014, 03:13:52 PM
Silver & Gold

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: wolfnowl on October 04, 2014, 08:32:29 PM
The eyes have it.

Mike.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on October 05, 2014, 03:00:51 AM
The eyes have it.

Mike.




The first makes me think of a medieval helm




Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on October 05, 2014, 06:48:50 AM
Just a local landscape from yesterday's walk

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: David Eckels on October 05, 2014, 10:35:02 AM
I wanna go there, Bill!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on October 05, 2014, 10:45:51 AM
Let me know when you're passing - I'll buy you a pint in the local pub. It's next door, which is nice :-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on October 07, 2014, 02:30:50 PM
the spider won
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on October 15, 2014, 09:30:36 PM
brownie
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on October 17, 2014, 09:14:52 AM
OK, so it's a bit kitsch, but I quite like the place

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Mjollnir on October 17, 2014, 11:02:53 AM
Been in a long time shooting slump, even after having purchased a whole new rig and glass I've always lusted after.  Too many things going on in life, I suppose.  Just goofing around with shadows and fog.

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5607/14926358773_7000a8d90f_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/oJZurk)Post Sunset, Highway 46 (1 of 1) (https://flic.kr/p/oJZurk) by tanngrisnir3 (https://www.flickr.com/people/[email protected]/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on October 17, 2014, 01:26:27 PM
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Mjollnir on October 17, 2014, 03:01:22 PM
Oh, this one as well.

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5600/15370884730_3181dc1214_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pqgNvY)Due West, Treatment 1, Color (https://flic.kr/p/pqgNvY) by tanngrisnir3 (https://www.flickr.com/people/[email protected]/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on October 19, 2014, 09:08:28 PM
Halloween it's coming
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on October 31, 2014, 01:18:55 PM
study in lights and shadows (or DR testing)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on November 01, 2014, 07:18:32 PM
decay
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on November 03, 2014, 06:32:10 PM
Cima Piazzi from Mt. Storile (Valtelline) two days ago. Today it's snowing heavily on these mountains.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on November 12, 2014, 04:37:28 PM
my precious
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on November 17, 2014, 01:04:55 PM
it seems I'm the only one posting here lately
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on November 18, 2014, 02:44:56 PM
You aren't alone...

Acqui Spärsi (Spread waters), Eastern Grosina Valley, Valtelline.
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Post by: Paul Gessler on November 26, 2014, 08:47:34 AM
Legs
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on November 26, 2014, 11:36:35 AM
You aren't alone...

Acqui Spärsi (Spread waters), Eastern Grosina Valley, Valtelline.
I really like the first one!
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Post by: francois on November 27, 2014, 05:51:25 AM
…Acqui Spärsi (Spread waters), Eastern Grosina Valley, Valtelline.

Did you take them recently?

BY the way, I like them both but the first one is my favorite.
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Post by: muntanela on November 27, 2014, 08:40:22 AM
Thanks for the comments. The shots were taken eleven days ago (11.16.2014).
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Post by: francois on November 27, 2014, 11:10:09 AM
Thanks for the comments. The shots were taken eleven days ago (11.16.2014).

Thanks!
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Post by: muntanela on December 02, 2014, 12:20:53 PM
Last Sunday I snowshoed to Pian Sortivo (Piän Sertìf), Western Grosina Valley, Valtelline. In the panorama you can see on the right Pian del Lago (Piän del Läch) and the hut.
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Post by: armand on December 02, 2014, 03:48:29 PM
Last Sunday I snowshoed to Pian Sortivo (Piän Sertìf), Western Grosina Valley, Valtelline. In the panorama you can see on the right Pian del Lago (Piän del Läch) and the hut.

I like them a lot, the first the most. The colored rock in the middle of snow is really nice, even if you boosted the saturation (or even more because of it).
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Post by: armand on December 02, 2014, 05:21:52 PM
fun stuff
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Post by: armand on December 04, 2014, 02:35:13 PM
hmmm
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Post by: armand on December 10, 2014, 10:25:22 PM
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Post by: armand on December 28, 2014, 05:40:59 PM
Another gloomy day
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Post by: armand on January 30, 2015, 03:07:36 PM
Heavy duty sledding
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Post by: muntanela on February 05, 2015, 07:08:43 AM
Boulders along the old military mule track of Mt. Storile (Valtelline).
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Post by: Chairman Bill on February 09, 2015, 10:59:47 AM
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Post by: pegelli on February 09, 2015, 11:08:57 AM
Anybody hear anything from Rob lately. Wonder how he is doing?

My contribution: some people walk their dog, some walk their bicycle  ;)

(http://pegelli.smugmug.com/Other/201502/i-K6pxNzz/0/O/PEG_NEX6_1_09362_20150204-L.jpg) (http://pegelli.smugmug.com/Other/201502/47318063_j9Fd8J#!i=3859913558&k=K6pxNzz&lb=1&s=A)
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Post by: francois on February 09, 2015, 11:47:14 AM
Lovely… I really like this one and the diagonal beams of light really add something to this shot.
Well seen!
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Post by: francois on February 09, 2015, 11:48:23 AM
Taken before Christmas, very early morning…

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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on February 09, 2015, 05:00:11 PM
It is a nice tribute to Rob that this thread that he started is still very much alive.
I hope he is well.
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Post by: Mjollnir on February 11, 2015, 09:17:41 AM
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7510/16160835668_068439c887_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/qC5vpJ)Ragged Point, 1st attempt (https://flic.kr/p/qC5vpJ) by tanngrisnir3 (https://www.flickr.com/people/[email protected]/), on Flickr
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Post by: francois on February 11, 2015, 11:29:18 AM
I love the mood of this tempestuous weather and the jagged coastline.
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Post by: armand on February 12, 2015, 09:42:29 PM
Snow boulder
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Post by: armand on March 14, 2015, 10:39:27 PM
Postcard, with atypical landscape settings (F/1.4)
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Post by: francois on March 15, 2015, 01:41:36 PM
What contrast between this one and those of your previous post! Tired of the snow?  :D
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Post by: armand on April 13, 2015, 01:06:53 PM
An orchid and a violet. I'm starting to think that close up focus stacking (at least) is not for me, way too much time to spend retouching.
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Post by: Chairman Bill on May 12, 2015, 01:35:41 PM
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Post by: armand on May 13, 2015, 02:32:19 PM
Cityscape
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Post by: pegelli on May 14, 2015, 10:00:36 AM
Plan B  ???

I would easily consider this plan A  ;)

Btw, heard through the grapevine that Rob (the one who started this thread) is alive and doing well.
Hope he still looks here once in a while  8)

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Post by: muntanela on May 14, 2015, 01:56:04 PM
Btw, heard through the grapevine that Rob (the one who started this thread) is alive and doing well.
Hope he still looks here once in a while  8)

I miss him. Come back Rob, even the marmots of the Brata hut ask about you!
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Post by: John R on May 15, 2015, 03:38:29 PM
Not even the Industrial Zone could escape the dreaded blur of the fiendish photographer.

HR

(http://johnroias.smugmug.com/Camera-Impressions/i-j5B2d5m/0/M/May%2015-%202015%20James%20Gardens%20003%20copy1000-M.jpg) (http://johnroias.smugmug.com/Camera-Impressions/i-j5B2d5m/A)
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Post by: Bruce Cox on May 16, 2015, 05:38:30 PM
steps
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Post by: Chairman Bill on May 17, 2015, 07:47:12 AM
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Post by: wolfnowl on May 17, 2015, 02:17:32 PM
Marcia and I were out the other night at an author event - called the Asymmetrical Press 'WordTasting Tour' (http://asymmetrical.co/wordtasting/). Anyway, one of the opening presentations was a poem, "You Must Speak Louder". It ended with, "You must leave your bones on the beach with your jaw unhinged." or something like that.

It reminded me of an image I'd made a while back.

I also met an old man on the beach that same day. A philosopher, I tried to engage him but he would only speak to me of silence.

Mike.
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Post by: John R on May 17, 2015, 02:59:03 PM
Marcia and I were out the other night at an author event - called the Asymmetrical Press 'WordTasting Tour' (http://asymmetrical.co/wordtasting/). Anyway, one of the opening presentations was a poem, "You Must Speak Louder". It ended with, "You must leave your bones on the beach with your jaw unhinged." or something like that.

It reminded me of an image I'd made a while back.

I also met an old man on the beach that same day. A philosopher, I tried to engage him but he would only speak to me of silence.

Mike.
I thought it was a jaw before reading your explanation. Very interesting walk and enjoyable presentation.

JR
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Post by: wolfnowl on May 17, 2015, 03:26:51 PM
Thanks, John!

Mike.
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Post by: muntanela on May 18, 2015, 08:32:59 AM
Welcome back Wolfnowl, I missed  your competence (and sensibility) in matters of nature
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Post by: armand on May 19, 2015, 01:36:18 PM
Feast
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Post by: pegelli on May 19, 2015, 02:03:15 PM
^^ Great party up there Armand

How about some man made jumble

Sea of Bikes, and a strategy to find yours back in the crowd:
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Post by: armand on May 19, 2015, 02:34:03 PM
Sea of Bikes, and a strategy to find yours back in the crowd:

I've seen similar with the luggage in the airport  :)
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Post by: Chairman Bill on May 30, 2015, 06:54:24 PM
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Post by: graeme on May 31, 2015, 08:35:46 AM
Lovely image Bill.
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Post by: Chairman Bill on May 31, 2015, 08:39:57 AM
Thanks, Graeme.
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Post by: John R on June 04, 2015, 12:22:47 AM
Just for fun folks. I hope our photography group gets a laugh or two out of it.

JR

(http://johnroias.smugmug.com/Dowtown-TO/i-jdst9Bz/0/M/June%202-%202015%20Downtown-Centre%20Island%20043%20jonathan%20livingston%20copy1000-M.jpg) (http://johnroias.smugmug.com/Dowtown-TO/i-jdst9Bz/A)
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Post by: Chairman Bill on June 08, 2015, 09:44:46 AM
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Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on June 08, 2015, 10:58:12 AM
Excellent, Bill!
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Post by: Chairman Bill on June 08, 2015, 12:06:29 PM
Thanks, Slobodan. I've been going through some oldish photos that I've just not got around to processing, and wondering why I've left it so late with some of them. This one is over 3 years old
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Post by: petermfiore on June 08, 2015, 01:56:21 PM
Thanks, Slobodan. I've been going through some oldish photos that I've just not got around to processing, and wondering why I've left it so late with some of them. This one is over 3 years old

Time is a relative passage...outstanding capture and Great post!

Peter
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on June 08, 2015, 08:56:03 PM
Time is a relative passage...outstanding capture and Great post!

Peter
+1.
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Post by: Rajan Parrikar on June 08, 2015, 10:05:45 PM
Lovely light and drama.
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Post by: Chairman Bill on June 09, 2015, 04:56:02 AM
Thanks all. Glad people like it
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Post by: graeme on June 10, 2015, 07:58:20 PM
A few interiors from Penryhn Castle.
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Post by: graeme on June 10, 2015, 08:02:49 PM
And a few more...
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Post by: graeme on June 10, 2015, 08:05:47 PM
& yet more
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Post by: Kerry L on June 11, 2015, 08:34:51 PM
Thanks, Slobodan. I've been going through some oldish photos that I've just not got around to processing, and wondering why I've left it so late with some of them. This one is over 3 years old

Well done!
Leaving this til now and taking advantage of current editors may not have been such a bad idea.
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Post by: Chairman Bill on June 15, 2015, 03:59:15 PM
Some garden flowers
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Post by: Kerry L on June 16, 2015, 08:45:52 PM
Some garden flowers


Nicely done.
The 3rd could be enhanced with some cropping IMHO
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Post by: Chairman Bill on June 25, 2015, 01:22:04 PM
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Post by: Chairman Bill on July 08, 2015, 04:31:18 PM
Taken about two thirds the way up Mt. Snowdon, North Wales
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Post by: tom b on July 08, 2015, 10:00:39 PM
Haven't posted for a while, hands…

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1C-oi-7rOvQ/VZ3TJfAFxBI/AAAAAAAAAAs/n0XKQ3bWBWk/s1600/hands.jpg)
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Post by: muntanela on July 09, 2015, 05:06:52 PM
Gentiana acaulis L. and Saxifraga stellaris L. Western Grosina Valley.
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Post by: francois on July 10, 2015, 08:40:18 AM
Gentiana acaulis L. and Saxifraga stellaris L. Western Grosina Valley.

I love the first one (Gentiana), those rich blues are pure luxury!
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Post by: muntanela on July 10, 2015, 03:11:02 PM
I love the first one (Gentiana), those rich blues are pure luxury!

From Wikipedia :"This plant, like others of its genus, is valued in cultivation for the unusually pure intense blue of its blooms."

But this is a wild Gentiana. (And the blue is a Leica lens blue...)
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Post by: tom b on July 20, 2015, 12:05:48 AM
Had breakfast at the Sydney Fish Markets, the largest fish markets in the southern hemisphere. The pelicans are very interesting.

(https://scontent-lax1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11742891_826870764093528_175872280469485804_n.jpg?oh=c2c30c9c7c70ea146ec343ff48bcdf9d&oe=561D63D9)

Cheers,
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Post by: Bruce Cox on July 24, 2015, 11:32:40 AM
I illuminated this night bloom with an LED C-cell flashlight.

Bruce
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Post by: kikashi on July 25, 2015, 08:07:03 AM
I illuminated this night bloom with an LED C-cell flashlight.

Lovely. Perhaps you could darken the very bright leaves on the right.

Jeremy
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Post by: Bruce Cox on July 25, 2015, 11:06:03 AM
Lovely. Perhaps you could darken the very bright leaves on the right.

Jeremy

I hadn't thought of that. 

I may give it a try.

When the light is no longer coming from the lower right, maybe the flower will be the light source.

Bruce
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Post by: Chairman Bill on July 26, 2015, 12:57:18 PM
I saw it, and photographed it. I don't dislike it, in fact, I don't think it's too bad at all. I just can't work out why.
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Post by: kikashi on July 26, 2015, 01:05:06 PM
When the light is no longer coming from the lower right, maybe the flower will be the light source.

Exactly.

Jeremy
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Post by: Bruce Cox on July 26, 2015, 01:53:34 PM
I saw it, and photographed it. I don't dislike it, in fact, I don't think it's too bad at all. I just can't work out why.

Because it looks good in gray scale too?

Bruce
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Post by: Chairman Bill on July 26, 2015, 03:43:36 PM
Bruce

I know I quite like it, in particular the play of light, but I suppose it's not the sort of subject I would normally photograph
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Post by: Bruce Cox on July 26, 2015, 04:56:15 PM
Bruce

I know I quite like it, in particular the play of light, but I suppose it's not the sort of subject I would normally photograph

Stacy says, that it is different, is a good enough reason to like it.

I say four alterations of light dark is a good number.  The composition works both deep or flat.  The railing protects us from the telescoped space colapsing back at us, discourages speeders, and seems readily surmountable should we dare proceed.  Our hero at the other end seems to be escaping in good order, which is more than I can say for my prospects with the hole I'm in.

Bruce
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Post by: Chairman Bill on July 26, 2015, 05:22:22 PM
Well at least Russ should like - the hand of man & all that jazz  :)
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Post by: graeme on July 27, 2015, 06:03:35 PM
A couple from Wimpole Hall.
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Post by: John R on August 03, 2015, 07:42:05 PM
Like the sun.

(https://johnroias.smugmug.com/Camera-Impressions/i-F6fKDK5/0/M/IMGP1932%20copy1000-M.jpg) (https://johnroias.smugmug.com/Camera-Impressions/i-F6fKDK5/A)
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Post by: Chairman Bill on August 06, 2015, 05:38:53 AM
View from the flanks of Bow Fell, English Lake District
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on August 06, 2015, 09:37:18 AM
View from the flanks of Bow Fell, English Lake District
Very nice, Bill.
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Post by: Chairman Bill on August 06, 2015, 11:02:39 AM
Thanks, Eric
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Post by: graeme on August 15, 2015, 11:43:32 AM
A few from Baddesley Clinton. An interesting historic house. National Trust: The volunteer guides are mostly OK but there are a couple of real PITAs lurking in amongst them.
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Post by: Bruce Cox on August 21, 2015, 07:22:21 PM
Exactly.

Jeremy

[See previous page]

I did move toward the general direction of your idea if not fallow it exactly.

Bruce
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Post by: Chairman Bill on August 22, 2015, 04:04:58 AM
Really nice.

Now for mine - and yes, I know the highlights are a little bit blown in one of them  :)

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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on August 22, 2015, 08:41:44 AM
Lovely scenes, Bill.
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Post by: kikashi on August 22, 2015, 11:49:58 AM
[See previous page]

I did move toward the general direction of your idea if not fallow it exactly.


I don't like the crop: I think it's unnecessary and spoils the image. But it's your shot.

Jeremy
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Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on August 22, 2015, 12:23:55 PM
I don't like the crop: I think it's unnecessary and spoils the image....

Jeremy, I will be reporting you to Rob, for a gross violation of his thread's original intention. You do not want Rob's wrath and locking of the thread! ;D
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Post by: kikashi on August 22, 2015, 12:54:46 PM
Jeremy, I will be reporting you to Rob, for a gross violation of his thread's original intention. You do not want Rob's wrath and locking of the thread! ;D

Now now. Bruce was responding to a suggestion I'd made, so it would have been churlish not to have acknowledged him.

It'd be awfully nice to hear from Rob again, though.

Jeremy
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Post by: Chairman Bill on August 22, 2015, 05:33:41 PM
Five frame stitch. View from Langdale, English Lake District
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Post by: Bruce Cox on August 22, 2015, 10:53:37 PM
Really nice.

As for mine, it is assuming a defensive position.
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Post by: kikashi on August 23, 2015, 03:41:38 AM
Really nice.

As for mine, it is assuming a defensive position.

Am I allowed to say I like this one, Slobodan?  :)

Jeremy
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Post by: muntanela on August 26, 2015, 03:19:15 PM
Rosebay willowherb near Baita (alpine hut) Brata, Queen of the snow.
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Post by: armand on August 27, 2015, 05:24:56 PM
Rosebay willowherb near Baita (alpine hut) Brata, Queen of the snow.

You are not alone. These were shot last week.
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Post by: armand on August 27, 2015, 05:57:26 PM
and three more
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Post by: tom b on August 28, 2015, 11:05:27 PM
Once again welcome back Rob.

A Trent Parke inspired image.

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-KL-mH434Xa0/VeEfDQkrqQI/AAAAAAAAAFw/EligGXt5RSQ/s1600/tpm.jpg)

Cheers,

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Post by: muntanela on August 29, 2015, 02:19:05 AM
You are not alone. These were shot last week.

It's one of the most generous plants, It offers abundant elegance and beauty  free of cost...
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Post by: pegelli on August 29, 2015, 03:20:41 AM
Some hops in our garden I have been wanting to shoot for several days.
Yesterday finally the wind subsided

(https://pegelli.smugmug.com/Other/201508/i-GBZ2GZQ/0/O/PEG_NEX6_2_03169_20150828-M.jpg) (https://pegelli.smugmug.com/Other/201508/i-GBZ2GZQ/A)
NEX6 + Porst 240/4.5 @ f4.5 (M42) on a bellows
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Post by: Rob C on August 29, 2015, 06:00:54 AM
Why I like cheap restaurants.


(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/1113034_orig.jpg)
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Post by: muntanela on August 29, 2015, 06:21:27 AM
Rob, finalmente!
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Post by: BobDavid on August 29, 2015, 08:38:08 AM
Quite a compelling image there, Rob. It is pleasantly surreal.
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Post by: Rob C on August 29, 2015, 09:54:12 AM
Rob, finalmente!


Prego; mio piacere!

;-)

Rob
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Post by: Rob C on August 29, 2015, 09:59:29 AM
Quite a compelling image there, Rob. It is pleasantly surreal.


Bob, when you live on this either overheated or freezing island, everything becomes surreal.

Trouble is, you can sometimes begin to wonder if it's all in your mind, and that the white coats on the peg are just holding still and pretending to be empty until you look the other way.

It's the financial crisis that's at the bottom of it all.

Thanks!

Rob
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Post by: Rob C on August 31, 2015, 06:56:04 AM
Nice to know 50s hi-speed film still available - indirectly.


(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/9854296_orig.jpg)
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Post by: armand on August 31, 2015, 09:53:08 PM
unlikely companions
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Post by: Rob C on September 01, 2015, 07:57:19 AM
Okay, no park, no hedges, no corpses and certainly no fantasy tennis. However, PS does let you play at Antonioni in the comfort of your own pad, and for no more money than the electricity bill.

I think I prefer this single to the double.

Rob

P.S. Oooh! It looks much flatter here than in PS. I wonder if it has anything to do with the new 'system'?

P.P.S. It has; I just opened both together and I was right: it's gone flat. Such is life.


(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/1623407_orig.jpg)
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Post by: armand on September 01, 2015, 08:53:16 PM
At the zoo
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Post by: Rob C on September 02, 2015, 03:59:08 AM
I think the unknown chick in my pic has just set eyes on the one in yours below her!

Ain't life wonderful?

;-)

Rob
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on September 02, 2015, 09:37:24 AM
I thought Armand's photo would be a good one for your "portraiture" thread, Rob.
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Post by: Rob C on September 02, 2015, 10:12:50 AM
Actually, I saw armand's model drive past in a 4WD this morning. Almost killed me!

Rob
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Post by: Rob C on September 03, 2015, 10:01:31 AM
(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/7484799_orig.jpg)


That beautiful Matrix Moment!

;-)

Rob C
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Post by: muntanela on September 03, 2015, 05:18:44 PM
My contribution to the gallery of (dangerous) women.  Misumena vatia, I've read that she is used to eat the male après l'amour...

P.S. I was wrong, the female  of Misumenia vatia doesn't eat the male.
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Post by: Chairman Bill on September 04, 2015, 04:23:30 PM
Evening light over Belstone Tor, Dartmoor
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Post by: BobDavid on September 05, 2015, 02:04:15 AM
Very nice, Mr. Chairman.
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Post by: pegelli on September 05, 2015, 03:31:50 AM
Snoopy

(https://pegelli.smugmug.com/Other/201203/i-pK45NFp/0/O/PEG_Nex_01023_20120325-L.jpg) (https://pegelli.smugmug.com/Other/201203/i-pK45NFp/A)
NEX5 + OM Zuiko 85/2
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Post by: armand on September 05, 2015, 10:41:47 AM
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Post by: armand on September 06, 2015, 09:40:24 PM
Peaking
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Post by: Rob C on September 08, 2015, 12:12:25 PM
Sometimes it's just too wet, too sunny, too damned cold to bother leaving the house.

The alternatives that lie around you when you lock into that space aren't exactly thrilling, because, truth to tell, you no longer really see them at all, just like those relationships where, as in Billy Joe Royal's song, the only time we're touchin' is when we're passin' in the hall.

But even so, the mind usually doesn't close down and go to sleep; sometimes it's impossible to go to sleep even when you are as tired as you have ever been – it just doesn't come or you simply lose the off switch. Same result.

But there's always photography, if you're lucky, and through that sweet bitch you can find something new, that you realise you hadn't been aware of, existing right under your nose. In fact, though I live on a so-called holiday island, the motivation that brought me here, sunshine, sand, sea and beautiful clichéd picture locations, now usually stands in the way of what I find most interesting from a photographic perspective. I've become possibly over-fond of gloomier days, find dark clouds reflecting in windows rather appealing, and pray for the day when it'll be cold enough for condensation to run down the windows of the local bars so that I can pretend to be in New York in the 50s, and shoot people scurrying by with red umbrellas. No prizes for sourcing.

However, that doesn't tie with those days when I know I'm just going to make my own lunch and spend hours wondering how to pass the journey to bedtime. Sometimes, I'm not even aware I'm going to do that until I find myself, keys in hand, at the front door, and suddenly stop, say eff it, I can do as well here. Of course, I can't, but it doesn't matter; I just know there's nothing out there that I want on that particular day, least of all people.

For some reason, straight after eating, dishes piled in the sink, is often the moment that I find myself pulling out the D200 and wandering around the old familiar. And I can get lost in it, truly lost in a little dwam where my mother's painting, bought during one of her car trips to Tuscany with an old friend from Perthshire, and now hanging somewhat indignantly (the painting) between a topless b/white  and a couple of colour printed landscapes, becomes a real location within which I can do some silent and undisturbed photography. Lens wide open, hand-held, light from outside bouncing all over the place, it's a tiny adventure inside my head. And blur. Yeah, I love blur; it shrouds in mystery to lay bare what's actualy real inside your mind. Folks should enjoy it more. Nobody who isn't occupied with commercial/scientific/clinical reproduction of some sort need slip into the prisoner of war condition that technology forces upon one. The hell with megas this or that; who cares? Only you; and you probaby don't want to understand why, the why being that it helps you to avoid a deeper truth that mightn't be to your liking; it's an evasion of the final moment of truth: the image. I'm not being smug: I've been there, done that and got the D700 which, to most folks, would mean the retirement of the D200. Irony lies in the fact that it's the D700 that lies quietly in the dark most of the time, only seeing daylight when I need a wide, film-days lens to give me its raison d'être. I can't tell you why I really, really have the newer camera (though I admit to having tried to rationalize my choice), especially as I am perfectly happy to add grain all by myself. I suppose it comes down to a moment of madness. The last thing the amateur needs is to be a collector.

But as I was saying, the snap within a snap is always available if you seek it out. And you don't have to step outside when you can't be bothered with the hassle of what's out there.

And it doesn't have to be your mother's old painting, it can be a cupboard, a door or even the corner of your kitchen. Personally, I find lots to think about with wooden shutters, especially when they are wet with rain. Apart from varnishing the damned things, that is, which I do but detest doing.

Not a natural digital fan and especially not a Photoshop devotee, I can thank my lucky stars that they both came into my life. Why? Because I discovered something I hadn't quite accepted before, that I've been touching upon in this note: it doesn't always have to be about what you shoot, it's also possible for it to be about what you can do with what you shot. That opens up a line of enquiry that transparency film didn't, if only for the cost and relative finality of the act as performed inside the camera.

Explore both your inner spaces.

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/4021794_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on September 09, 2015, 04:17:58 PM
Plums
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 10, 2015, 05:01:38 AM
Peaking


I love that kind of photography.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 10, 2015, 05:04:24 PM
Had coffee here today; reminded me of this shot made a while ago, just around the time I realised that manual focussing and my eyesight didn't make for happy bedfellows anymore. So I bought an af lens.

Thing is, I now find myself overriding af as much as I use it, just lke Auto ISO, which works very well, but not always as I'd want it to do.

C'est la vie; if it's not one damned thing it's another.

Rob C

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/4127091_orig.jpg)


P.S. Still don't understand why LuLa makes the printing on my pix look out of focus. I remember same years ago.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 13, 2015, 03:37:14 PM
Wednesday, most weeks, but only sometimes.

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/8288697_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on September 13, 2015, 04:03:27 PM
Wednesday, most weeks, but only sometimes.

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/8288697_orig.jpg)

Yes... handfuls!

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 13, 2015, 04:39:42 PM
Yes... handfuls!

Peter


Them wuz the days...

 ;-(

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 14, 2015, 03:58:43 PM
(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/2526669_orig.jpg)


Another handful.

Unless you use a glass, of course.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on September 14, 2015, 06:17:15 PM
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on September 14, 2015, 08:45:59 PM
(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/2526669_orig.jpg)


Another handful.

Unless you use a glass, of course.

Rob C
Nice to see Ms. Coke again (with friend).

Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on September 14, 2015, 09:06:11 PM
fireworks
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 15, 2015, 03:53:04 AM
Nice to see Ms. Coke again (with friend).

Eric


Yes, Eric, and I was lucky enough to take her to the beach with another friend, where she decided she'd like to be a bit more colourful and play around with a conch shell or two.

I'll have to get her permission - her release - for Internet use of such a private moment; she handles visibility situations one by one, giving them all due attention regarding suitablilty of context, and so forth. No daft mamma, she!

I'll be nice to her (was I ever anything else?) and see what I can do.

Rob C



 
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 15, 2015, 03:57:32 PM
Anybody else 'mature' enough to remember this kick?

Rob C

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/8147670_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on September 15, 2015, 09:43:46 PM
Note to self: do this type of photography when the wind is not blowing
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: BobDavid on September 16, 2015, 12:56:57 AM
Note to self: do this type of photography when the wind is not blowing

I like.  ... This image begs to be printed--at least 20" wide.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 16, 2015, 03:44:24 PM
Street People

Rob C

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/2634217_orig.jpg)



Still wondering why everything is going soft; look at the lettering!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on September 16, 2015, 05:12:52 PM
Street People

Rob C

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/2634217_orig.jpg)


Rob,

A most haunting unsetteling image. But I can't quite say as to why this image makes me feel that way...

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on September 16, 2015, 05:22:05 PM
... Still wondering why everything is going soft; look at the lettering!

Browser. Blurred on Safari, crisp on Chrome (both on Mac).
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on September 16, 2015, 10:53:50 PM
That seed was there again this evening when I came from work, with no wind at all until I found that the battery was dead. Back in house, when I came back the wind was blowing.
2 versions of it.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on September 16, 2015, 10:55:13 PM
equally dead - a focus stack
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 17, 2015, 04:26:30 AM

Rob,

A most haunting unsetteling image. But I can't quite say as to why this image makes me feel that way...

Peter


Hi Peter,

Yes, I know what you mean. It's what happens to me this way all the time, in that I wander around aimlessly, and something just reaches out. I can't predict where or when, I can't manufacture it.

For example: Wednesday is market day here in Puerto Pollensa, and the place fills with hundreds of people thronging around a smallish square filled with all the crap that you can imagine as well as some nice farm produce, much of which is not actually locally grown at all, but comes for wherever stuff's in season or the feezers big enough. The perimeter of the trading zone's got a lot of cafes doing good business, and you can't find a seat because they are all filled, not with towels but with asses. Now, I pass all of them a couple of times and see nobody worthy of a snap; nobody. That's hard to believe out of so many. Then, as yesterday, boredom lets me sneak past the flowerpots set up to divert people into a regular way-in to a certain bar, and I find an empty spot. (Being thin allows for some of these tactics.) After a while, a pair of girls finds another table and I watch over my coffee. One animated girl in heavy sunglasses seems quite attractive at fifteen feet, and I eventually decide she's worth a couple of images.

I get home, stick the stuff into PS and in moments wonder what the hell I'd been thinking about. Dumped.

In other words, things reach out, but they are often just chimeras.

As I have said before, Saul Leiter's a hero, and one of the simple, deep things that he said, and that I paraphrase here, was this: if I knew what was going to be good, I wouldn't have had to take all the others.

And then there's the viewer perspective. In your shot of the Uber thinggy, the first thing that hit me was the lovely girl on the poster on the right, with the low-cut back on her dress. The same shot, and others saw something quite else.

In the end, I think we react not to what's just physically there, but to something else that triggers what's inside of us rather than what the shooter is trying to catch that suits his game plan.

Rob C

P.S. I think that the experiences/reactions we are both talking about constitute one of the factors that strongly influences my belief in a God and a hereafter. Take that away, and it would all be worthless baggage and Nature, in her ruthless efficiency, wouldn't have saddled us with it.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 17, 2015, 04:33:02 AM
Browser. Blurred on Safari, crisp on Chrome (both on Mac).


I'm usually on Internet Explorer because I know how, within it, to put things onto various 'favourite' lists, which are now all so long I couldn't face starting over on another system.

I tried both Firefox and Chrome and they worked fine! I'm on Windows 8 within a Classic Shell configuration just so I can understand it (a bit!). But I can't understand why these shold differ; I had thought that a digital signal was as basic as + or - and there was no room for error...

Thanks for researching it for me, Slobodan.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: BobDavid on September 17, 2015, 08:40:19 AM
equally dead - a focus stack

This falls into the fine art category. A series on death and decay?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 17, 2015, 09:13:43 AM
Anybody got a copy of The "Chirping" Crickets still playable?

Rob C

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/5009413_orig.jpg)

P.S.

The blurry caption glitch has been fixed; thanks, lads!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: kikashi on September 18, 2015, 04:18:34 AM

Rob,

A most haunting unsetteling image. But I can't quite say as to why this image makes me feel that way...

Peter

There was a Dr Who series, I remember from a long time ago, in which the enemies were all shop dummies, whose hands flipped down to reveal weapons. Reminds me of that. Creepy indeed.

Jeremy

PS: and a Google search reveals it was 1970, and in colour: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auton
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: graeme on September 18, 2015, 06:24:14 AM
There was a Dr Who series, I remember from a long time ago, in which the enemies were all shop dummies, whose hands flipped down to reveal weapons. Reminds me of that. Creepy indeed.

Jeremy

PS: and a Google search reveals it was 1970, and in colour: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auton

Yep, I remember that one.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on September 18, 2015, 06:51:35 AM
There was a Dr Who series, I remember from a long time ago, in which the enemies were all shop dummies, whose hands flipped down to reveal weapons. Reminds me of that. Creepy indeed.

Jeremy

PS: and a Google search reveals it was 1970, and in colour: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auton
I remember that show, in the sense that it existed, never saw it...

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 18, 2015, 09:47:55 AM
I remember that show, in the sense that it existed, never saw it...

Peter

I love that concept, Peter: it's exactly what the illusive image is really all about: the suggestion of what might be there, could one but see it clearly enough to describe it instead of just feeling it.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 18, 2015, 10:28:10 AM
It occured to me that this is actually WP2 and that the original purpose of this thread, for those not blessed with remarkable memories (or not here long enough to know) is lost in the mists of time.

To articulate again: there are several areas within LuLa where images can be posted for comment and advice on technique etc., both from the raw beginner's perspective to the pro section elsewhere. This thread was started on the premise that it should house images that are posted simply because the author likes them, and wants to share, in the belief that others may find something of spiritual interest in those images too.

Indeed, the expectation is that posters here already know what they are doing, don't want somebody telling them how it could be done 'better' and otherwise just be smart-ass at the poster's expense.

As such, I'm delighted to notice that recent comments here are pretty much exactly where I'd wanted this thread to go: it's interesting to see how other people respond to whatever has made the author make that picture, and I think that's where comments serve their most useful purpose. It's one thing feeling compelled to go click!, and quite another to see whether the motivation has been successfully transformed from original mental stimulation to visual representation. And it works in both directions: it's always interesting to get an entirely different reaction to the one felt at the moment of exposure.

So, yeah, thank's for the manner in which this is being carried out; it's very gratifying!

Rob C

P.S. Shoudda sed: if an image leaves you cold, then silence is certainly the kinder option! ;-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: pegelli on September 18, 2015, 10:58:48 AM
So, yeah, thank's for the manner in which this is being carried out; it's very gratifying!

Rob C
Rob, that calls for a celebration

With a nice pastry:
(https://pegelli.smugmug.com/Events/Dyxum-Rotterdam-20150823/i-nKMgRVw/1/O/PEG_NEX6_2_03096_20150823-L.jpg) (https://pegelli.smugmug.com/Events/Dyxum-Rotterdam-20150823/i-nKMgRVw/A)

Or maybe a cool refreshing beer:
(https://pegelli.smugmug.com/Events/Dyxum-Rotterdam-20150823/i-jF88s6r/0/O/PEG_NEX6_2_03159_20150823-L.jpg) (https://pegelli.smugmug.com/Events/Dyxum-Rotterdam-20150823/i-jF88s6r/A)

The pastry is from the place where historically the ships from the "Holland-America Line" departed for the US in the 20th century, the beer is from where the Pilgrim fathers departed a few centuries earlier to the same place.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: NancyP on September 18, 2015, 11:19:34 AM
Buddy there looks like a katydid, not a cricket. Katydids are even louder.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 18, 2015, 11:21:27 AM
Take care, pegelli, you might put on weight! Or not. I was always thin, regardless of eating absolutely everything that I liked, but I was also the dope to get the heart attacks!

One of the treats on our drives back to Scotland was going to M&S and buying their meringues and chocolate eclaires, and downing them with afternoon tea! Of such was heaven made, or so I imagined until later in life.

;-(

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on September 18, 2015, 11:23:10 AM
I love that concept, Peter: it's exactly what the illusive image is really all about: the suggestion of what might be there, could one but see it clearly enough to describe it instead of just feeling it.

Rob C

Rob,

I know all art is illusive...and that's where all the magic lives.

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: RobbieV on September 18, 2015, 11:24:03 AM
Cheers, Pieter!

(https://drscdn.500px.org/photo/78927493/m%3D900/34765d5a21599a3cc9cfd92f4affb1a8)

(https://drscdn.500px.org/photo/62281373/m%3D900/f7a812986993b64fcb1765849aeef00c)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 18, 2015, 11:28:56 AM
Buddy there looks like a katydid, not a cricket. Katydids are even louder.


But... but this is Mallorca, not North America. Please don't tell me they can cross oceans!

However, Lubbock, Texas is America, so perhaps you were right after all.

Was a time they drove me crazy; then a few years ago I thought they'd gone to pastures new. However, in early August, my daughter came out on holiday and complained about the screeches. I couldn't hear a damned thing. Clearly, they hadn't become migrants (oops!), but I'd lost their wavelength. So, age does bring some rewards...

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 18, 2015, 11:32:53 AM

But... but this is Mallorca, not North America. Please don't tell me they can cross oceans!

But then agan, Lubbock, Texas is America. Maybe you're right after all.

Was a time they drove me crazy; then a few years ago I thought they'd gone to pastures new. However, in early August, my daughter came out on holiday and complained about the screeches. I couldn't hear a damned thing. Clearly, they hadn't become migrants (oops!), but I'd lost their wavelength. So, age does bring some rewards...

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on September 18, 2015, 03:23:26 PM
Mycena sp. near Sufignon.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 19, 2015, 10:17:02 AM
Some things never die in the heart.

Rob C

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/6800895_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Bruce Cox on September 19, 2015, 11:12:15 AM
'Negatives" is "just like a ball and chain".
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: degrub on September 19, 2015, 11:31:20 AM
Here you go Rob -
http://www.soundboard.com/sb/Katydid_sounds

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 20, 2015, 04:41:05 AM
Here you go Rob -
http://www.soundboard.com/sb/Katydid_sounds


I mentioned earlier the doubtful pleasure of having moved 'beyond' the beasties' vocal range; further example of that hit me the other day when I went to the AGM of the community in which I live: I realised that the echo within the meeting room was preventing me from picking up clearly quite a few of the voices. Several people who were old when I was middle-aged used to say "don't raise your voice, that doesn't help. It's about clarity, not volume."

Who need crickets, anyway?

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on September 20, 2015, 05:28:39 AM
For those who speak French, an untranslatable joke.
A couple lying in bed:

Her: J'éteigne ?
Him: Oui, je t'aime !
...
He thinks: Putain d’acouphène...

(I'll turn out the light?
Yes! I love you!
...
Damn ringing in the ears :-( )
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 20, 2015, 06:13:58 AM
For those who speak French, an untranslatable joke.
A couple lying in bed:

Her: J'éteigne ?
Him: Oui, je t'aime !
...
He thinks: Putain d’acouphène...

(I'll turn out the light?
Yes! I love you!
...
Damn ringing in the ears :-( )


Though that'll - uhm - go down well in parts of Canada, Buddy was from Texas...

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: kikashi on September 21, 2015, 03:36:30 AM
Found in my garden yesterday. Amused me, anyway.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 21, 2015, 04:09:59 AM
Found in my garden yesterday. Amused me, anyway.


Hot news: Slowest Suicide Ever Hits Garden!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on September 21, 2015, 11:05:34 AM
Morning Lineup...

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on September 21, 2015, 11:20:12 AM
Morning Monoliths...

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 21, 2015, 12:54:55 PM
Peter, there's something very church-like in that shot.

It also reminds me of the Scottish Parliament building which was apparently designed by a Spanish architect who died, and then the project completed by his wife. This is from memory and I made no notes, but I'm absolutely certain that Isaac will know...

Anyway, the point is that they apparently and collectively designed some sort of sloped sitting area which, in the event, is too low to permit ease of sitting other than for the special Swiss gents from Zurich who deal with finance. Whether this was, in fact, a purpose-built option designed to keep out the international press whilst facilitating secret talks remains to be disclosed, but then with so many leaks it's sure the "truth" will surface in the end, and Gulag will publish.

Disclaimer: this could be entirely another place of which I think, but it was definitely Edinburgh, as in Scotland.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on September 21, 2015, 01:19:55 PM
It's a splendid shot Peter. If the tables were bare, it would be much less interesting. The napkin rolls, etc., on the tables are so delicate they make a fine counterpoint to the massive architecture and rigid areas of light and shadow.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: graeme on September 21, 2015, 06:53:34 PM
It's a splendid shot Peter. If the tables were bare, it would be much less interesting. The napkin rolls, etc., on the tables are so delicate they make a fine counterpoint to the massive architecture and rigid areas of light and shadow.

+1. Great shot
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 22, 2015, 04:50:08 AM
This from the place I probably use most for lunch. It's usually more full, but I've noticed it starts to fill after I've reached coffee... maybe this poor lady didn't know.

There must be a not-so-hidden message there, but I turn a blind eye. Needs must! ;-)

Rob C


(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/721108_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 23, 2015, 05:37:10 AM
Sony? What Sony? Florence? Nope, home.

D200 and some tiny thought. And Vaseline. That was the tiny thought.

Oh, and for our technicians: ISO 200, 1/4th sec, f2.8/24mm manual lens, wide open. Flesh tripod.

They do say that most of the action that a swan indulges in goes on below his Plimsoll line.

;-)

Rob C
(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/293566_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on September 23, 2015, 06:13:30 AM
 Rob,
Leda with Swan...Anyone?

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 23, 2015, 06:34:31 AM
Rob,
Leda with Swan...Anyone?

Peter


Our slips are showing, Peter.

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on September 23, 2015, 06:44:47 AM

Our slips are showing, Peter.

;-)

Rob
A little slip peek at a slip, now and then, makes for a happier day...

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 23, 2015, 08:18:37 AM
A little slip peek at a slip, now and then, makes for a happier day...

Peter



I know, I know, but the problems arise when that little peep isn't quite enough. Ask our priapic swan... Zeus! What am I saying?

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on September 23, 2015, 08:35:31 AM


I know, I know, but the problems arise when that little peep isn't quite enough. Ask our priapic swan... Zeus! What am I saying?

Rob

I will ponder that while in the studio today...

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: David Eckels on September 23, 2015, 08:39:25 AM
Yes, Leda with Swan, dirty old men ;)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 23, 2015, 08:59:31 AM
Yes, Leda with Swan, dirty old men ;)


David, David! Didn't you mean dirty old swan?

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on September 23, 2015, 09:37:38 AM
I'm so glad you are back, livening up this otherwise fairly dull place, Rob!

Keep working that "flesh tripod."

Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 23, 2015, 11:48:48 AM
I'm so glad you are back, livening up this otherwise fairly dull place, Rob!

Keep working that "flesh tripod."

Eric


Eric!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 24, 2015, 10:12:57 AM
I put this one into the thread elsewhere about cameras for black/white digital. I think I might have annoyed the serious folks, so here we go again in a safer place where nobody expects anything much from anyone. Peace!

;-)

Rob C

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/9818331_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on September 24, 2015, 11:02:11 AM
I can't match Rob's six bottles, but these are bigger
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on September 24, 2015, 02:24:27 PM
Rob and Bill:

Maybe you two should collaborate on an exhibit (or perhaps a book). You could call it "99 Bottles of Beer on the Wall."   ;)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 24, 2015, 02:27:43 PM
I can't match Rob's six bottles, but these are bigger


Lovely catch!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 24, 2015, 02:31:11 PM
Complete fake because ain't no glass here at all! Purists, look away NOW!

(Another lunch...)

Rob C

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/4164458_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 24, 2015, 03:48:14 PM

Yes, Eric, and I was lucky enough to take her to the beach with another friend, where she decided she'd like to be a bit more colourful and play around with a conch shell or two.

I'll have to get her permission - her release - for Internet use of such a private moment; she handles visibility situations one by one, giving them all due attention regarding suitablilty of context, and so forth. No daft mamma, she!

I'll be nice to her (was I ever anything else?) and see what I can do.

Rob C



Ooops! Sorry, Eric, in the heat of several moments I completely forgot about the shell I'd promised you!

(The Parasol bit's a reference to our client on the day.)

Here's the music for it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svQEi5n8GRA

Rob C

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/1117022_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on September 24, 2015, 06:52:50 PM
Train with a view
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: David Eckels on September 25, 2015, 08:38:09 AM

David, David! Didn't you mean dirty old swan?

;-)

Rob
+1 and I second Eric's comment!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 26, 2015, 05:59:29 AM
My supersleuth stage.

Rob C

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/8573155_orig.jpg)

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on September 26, 2015, 06:59:23 AM
The dream stage, or more like caught between dream and...


Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on September 26, 2015, 07:53:17 AM
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 26, 2015, 08:53:30 AM
The dream stage, or more like caught between dream and...


Peter


Actually, caught with my pants down!

I've become so used to working on auto ISO that I forgot that I'd gone manual again until I clicked. Then, I guessed it would have been so under-exposed I had better not even bother with it once it opened in the computer. Happily, I don't chimp, so didn't dump it there and then. When it did open, I thought b/white, but decided nope, better as it is.

Jus' showz to go you: hang on until the bitter end!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on September 26, 2015, 09:12:11 AM

Actually, caught with my pants down!

I've become so used to working on auto ISO that I forgot that I'd gone manual again until I clicked. Then, I guessed it would have been so under-exposed I had better not even bother with it once it opened in the computer. Happily, I don't chimp, so didn't dump it there and then. When it did open, I thought b/white, but decided nope, better as it is.

Jus' showz to go you: hang on until the bitter end!

Rob C

Never dump in public...wait until your in the privacy of home.

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 26, 2015, 09:50:59 AM
Never dump in public...wait until your in the privacy of home.

Peter


My old dog wouldn't have liked to hear that advice!

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 27, 2015, 03:56:43 AM
One for the Chairman:

Rob C

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/895811_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on September 27, 2015, 06:37:35 PM
A very solemn image...A place for one's daly bread.

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: pegelli on September 28, 2015, 03:05:51 AM
Strangely attracted to blistering paint
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 28, 2015, 03:41:14 AM
An instant map of Europe!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 28, 2015, 03:50:44 AM
A very solemn image...A place for one's daly bread.

Peter

Very solemn, Peter; the shot's taken from the steps leading up to the loos, and for the disabled, it means you have to use your pants - though up or down is optional. Not a brilliant idea, but the food is: French chef/owner, local Mallorquin prices (medium).

This bears out what I've said before about out-and-about photography on your own: travel light - you never know when you might want to use the Gents room!

Ten to ten in the morning; why the hell am I thinking about bathrooms?

Rob C

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on September 28, 2015, 05:10:45 AM
One for the Chairman:

Rob C

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/895811_orig.jpg)

Like it. Off to find ten green bottles
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 28, 2015, 02:39:32 PM
Damien?

Rob C

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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on September 29, 2015, 01:40:30 PM
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 30, 2015, 06:30:58 AM
(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/9314203_orig.jpg)

Avoid cholesterol-laden food.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on September 30, 2015, 08:01:07 AM
Damien?

Rob C

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/1283876_orig.jpg)
A Foreshadowing?

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: John R on September 30, 2015, 10:23:50 AM
We have a creative competition and I was asked to do something involving more than camera movement so I can learn PP skills. This is what I came up with.

(https://johnroias.smugmug.com/Autumn-2015/i-348f3K9/0/M/Sept%2027-28-2015%20Algonquin%20area%20250%20copy1000-original-M.jpg) (https://johnroias.smugmug.com/Autumn-2015/i-348f3K9/A)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on September 30, 2015, 01:01:24 PM
We have a creative competition and I was asked to do something involving more than camera movement so I can learn PP skills. This is what I came up with.

(https://johnroias.smugmug.com/Autumn-2015/i-VDRB3Xp/0/M/Sept%2027-28-2015%20Algonquin%20area%20250%20copy1000-M.jpg) (https://johnroias.smugmug.com/Autumn-2015/i-VDRB3Xp/A)


You're ringing my bells, John! I like this kind of imagery a lot; straight pictures can become very, well, straight!

Rob

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/657867_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: John R on September 30, 2015, 04:16:02 PM
I always encourage people to shoot straight jpegs when they are learning. So they can get it right in the camera and worry about fixing the dark and light areas later. Except for slight crop, here is one right out of camera, as wild as yours Rob. And here is second image that didn't quite make it; I tried to capture the flare, but it went out of control, as you can see.

(https://johnroias.smugmug.com/Autumn-2015/i-bV89qCP/0/M/Sept%2027-28-2015%20Algonquin%20area%20241%20copy1000-2-M.jpg) (https://johnroias.smugmug.com/Autumn-2015/i-bV89qCP/A)

(https://johnroias.smugmug.com/Autumn-2015/i-HkxsjR6/0/M/Sept%2027-28-2015%20Algonquin%20area%20251%20copy1000-M.jpg) (https://johnroias.smugmug.com/Autumn-2015/i-HkxsjR6/A)

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on September 30, 2015, 10:09:06 PM
in the garden
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: pegelli on October 03, 2015, 02:56:42 AM
The mad hatters (Madrid)

(https://pegelli.smugmug.com/Events/Dyxum-Madrid-201111/i-t3tDcGr/0/O/PEG_A850_05708_20111106-L.jpg) (https://pegelli.smugmug.com/Events/Dyxum-Madrid-201111/i-t3tDcGr/A)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on October 03, 2015, 04:34:41 AM
Great shot, Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Mjollnir on October 03, 2015, 01:10:40 PM
Great shot!  Esp with the two hatless people in the middle bookended by the white hat folks.

Nice!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on October 03, 2015, 01:57:28 PM
Finding myself in a rare, gentle mood:

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/3528222_orig.jpg)

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on October 03, 2015, 03:06:08 PM
;-)
Rob C
A sweet lament...
Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on October 03, 2015, 03:28:25 PM
A sweet lament...
Peter

Yeah, Peter, I looked at it in b/w for a moment, and felt it lost pretty much everything when that delicate colouring was missing. It was the understatement of colour and sadness of its reality that caught me at once. Like a beautifully aged movie star.  I often wonder how great beauties, who can't hang on to their beauty in a different way later on, react to the mirror. I've seen some truly wonderous ladies in their 80s... it's the delicacy, the indestructible line of good bones, all with the knowing look in the eyes.

A year or two ago I had the surprise of my life when I was shooting my local muso friends in a bar; this very attractive woman walked past me up at the front of the band and smiled straight at me on her way to the Ladies room. I smiled back, surprised and flattered that an old guy like me could still raise interest. She smiled again on her way back to wherever she'd been sitting. The next week I was back shooting when somebody tapped me on the shoulder. I looked around and it was the same woman. Before I could say anthing to cover my surprise she said my name. Then she introduced herself. One of my original Scottish models out for the winter! After feeling an ass for not knowing who she was, shattered that it hadn't been my ahem, sex appeal after all, I realised that she was in her early 60s and still looked great: cheek bones, jaw line. Never let you down if you have 'em.

I don't know if the petals had any, though, but they do boast a twig...

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on October 03, 2015, 10:11:54 PM
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on October 04, 2015, 04:21:51 AM
(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/7923370_orig.jpg)

Reflecting on the extremes of living. Perhaps the last word (above) is lost on non-British speakers.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on October 04, 2015, 04:49:55 AM
English Lake District
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on October 05, 2015, 03:48:12 PM
As time rolls on, I find myself preferring winter to summer, from a snaps point of view, at least.
(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/9494186_orig.jpg)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on October 05, 2015, 04:48:56 PM
Love it, whatever the time of year
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on October 06, 2015, 04:26:09 AM
Thank you, Bill, I got into appreciating this sort of thing many years ago through, again, American photography magazines. At the time, the UK ones such as Amateur Photographer were obsessed with snaps of fishermen complete with the obligatory pipe (for smoking) and heavy-ribbed, clean sweater; sometimes, you actually saw a little piece of net... Things picked up when I discovered Photography, a very different publication edited by Norman Hall. Within, I found the whole Parisian ethos with its incoming eastern-European migrants from persecution, the work of the new wave Italians and so on. Eye-opening stuff! It was that same magazine that saw my first published picture - a Polish model's portrait which shared space alongside Peter Sellers' pix of Britt Ekland... heady stuff for one callow youth!

There's such a tease with this kind of material - I suppose with 'street', in the sense of people-pix, too, in that it can't happen outwith the right place. For example: there have been several well-published images of ladies (very elegantly dressed) trying to cross puddles/gutters, their high heels and nylons marking such beautiful, delicate counterpoint to the black, wet and filthy drain water. I love those moments of contrast; makes one feel so lucky to be human and have women to brighten the days. In the sticks, nobody dresses up; mostly, as with France, you see deserted villages. I can't count the number of French villages we drove through, looking for a café in which to buy a coffee - everything looked closed, but the streets are beautiful with well-maintained flowerpots! Makes a whole new dimension to The Deserted Village.

Frankly, it's one of the reasons I'd like to move from the tranquility and return to a big city. Too much tranquility and you fall asleep - one good reason for being with Lula!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on October 06, 2015, 04:50:09 AM
Maybe I get a bit of both worlds - living in rural Somerset, yet working in a capital city (even if Cardiff isn't that big). I do get the occasional urge to get off the train in Bristol & wander around taking urban landscapes. Maybe next summer, on the way home ...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on October 06, 2015, 06:19:13 AM
Maybe I get a bit of both worlds - living in rural Somerset, yet working in a capital city (even if Cardiff isn't that big). I do get the occasional urge to get off the train in Bristol & wander around taking urban landscapes. Maybe next summer, on the way home ...



Now, if you were to try it on the way to work one day, could change your life!

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on October 06, 2015, 06:48:41 AM
Yeah, I could end up unemployed & on the streets full time
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on October 06, 2015, 10:01:14 AM
Yeah, I could end up unemployed & on the streets full time

That could easily be par for the photographic course!

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on October 06, 2015, 03:40:44 PM
From Rob I'm learning not only photography, but english language too. Alas! I'm a very bad learner in both subjects.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: jjj on October 06, 2015, 03:58:51 PM
From Rob I'm learning not only photography, but english language too. Alas! I'm a very bad learner in both subjects.
I wish I could learn languages as poorly as you do. ;)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on October 06, 2015, 05:08:53 PM
From Rob I'm learning not only photography, but english language too. Alas! I'm a very bad learner in both subjects.


But you have a wonderful sense of humour!

Thanks, anyway  ;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on October 07, 2015, 09:40:31 AM
For Peter, with fond Cat thoughts!

Rob C

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/1442953_orig.jpg)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgetd17XTOY
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on October 07, 2015, 09:56:52 AM
Thank you, Keith.

That was indeed an occassion for bringing out the Gitzo with three legs. I have adapted a shopping basket (on wheels) to carry it... but still tend not to go there. Thing is, without low sun neither lens nor basket do much for me, and as I have no clothes people to pay for anything any more... Clothes people? No people!

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on October 07, 2015, 11:58:21 AM
For Peter, with fond Cat thoughts!

Rob C

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/1442953_orig.jpg)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgetd17XTOY
I know of Sea Dogs...Sea CATS is an all new concept! And a great moment, indeed.

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on October 07, 2015, 12:22:35 PM
I know of Sea Dogs...Sea CATS is an all new concept! And a great moment, indeed.

Peter


Before I came to live out here I used to have a dream where I would have this little old folding director's picnic chair, be wearing my Walkman, the Beachboys in my head, and sit out at the end of some harbour I had yet to see, and watch through a long lens as life sailed peacefully past.

Stood at the end of many harbours after that little fantasy, but without chair, defunct Walkman or anything else but the photographic bits...

Something's always missing in the real world.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on October 07, 2015, 03:20:03 PM
Hell, Rob, winter is approaching together with that low sun. Man, get yourself that chair and wheel out that pod and cat!

Actually, I was thinking about trying to use it to get some weird market shots, but I think I'll save them until my ND arrives, which won't fit that lens anyway.

Unless my gut settles soon I won't be doing much of anything. I was sick (violently) most of Sunday night, stayed in bed Monday till noon and eat nothing but drank lots of water. Tuesday I went out to lunch, where the owner told me it wasn't me, it was something doing the rounds: he and his son had had two days of it! That was all I needed: decided that was where I'd picked it up! Felt grim all today and made myself some rice. As they said at the end of the famous movie: tomorrow's another day!

Cheers!

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on October 08, 2015, 12:15:35 PM
Rob, get well soon!

Thanks - had lunch out again today and feel quite good! Time for another snap, in fact!

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/5717071_orig.jpg)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: graeme on October 11, 2015, 01:13:48 PM
A few from St Michael's, Kirby Malham, UK.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on October 12, 2015, 05:30:06 AM
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on October 12, 2015, 11:23:18 PM
One of the rare times (as in 2) when I managed to carry the Tamron 150-600 with me.
Focus works well with a D750, here are a couple of examples.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: drmike on October 13, 2015, 03:00:50 AM
Rob - nice lunch time shot. Nicely balanced in composition and tone.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: graeme on October 13, 2015, 04:08:55 AM
Rob - nice lunch time shot. Nicely balanced in composition and tone.

Could say the same about Armand's 2 photos: Looks like the little guy's hiding & the big one's seeking.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on October 13, 2015, 04:16:42 AM
Rob - nice lunch time shot. Nicely balanced in composition and tone.

Thanks - but I think I misled you: "lunchtime shot" was a reference to my feeling like posting a shot after lunch on the day of the post, not that I'd made it that day! But it was made after lunch a year on two ago - it's the daily period I seem to find most energy to do much of anything!

Armand's two shots do make for perfect mutual companions, the one to the other.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on October 15, 2015, 07:41:34 AM
I wanted a grainy moonlit seascape, but time was short, and the weather wasn't about to deliver any visible moon before we left, so I improvised a bit, and thought I could sort things in processing. So a daytime shot, but hopefully looking a little bit moonish. Whaddya think? Does it work?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: BobDavid on October 15, 2015, 09:15:29 AM
I wanted a grainy moonlit seascape, but time was short, and the weather wasn't about to deliver any visible moon before we left, so I improvised a bit, and thought I could sort things in processing. So a daytime shot, but hopefully looking a little bit moonish. Whaddya think? Does it work?

I think cropping the picture on the right-side, just beyond the driftwood, will strengthen the composition. I think it's okay to open up the upper sky to let the grain show. This image will look great on cotton natural hot press paper. When looking at your picture, I am reminded of Nicéphore Niépce.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: BobDavid on October 15, 2015, 09:17:18 AM
I think cropping the picture on the right-side, split the difference between the moon and the right-side edge, will strengthen the composition. I think it's okay to open up the upper sky to let the grain show. This image will look great on cotton natural hot press paper. When looking at your picture, I am reminded of Nicéphore Niépce.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: BobDavid on October 15, 2015, 09:22:35 AM
I wanted a grainy moonlit seascape, but time was short, and the weather wasn't about to deliver any visible moon before we left, so I improvised a bit, and thought I could sort things in processing. So a daytime shot, but hopefully looking a little bit moonish. Whaddya think? Does it work?

I think cropping the picture on the right-side, halfway between the moon and the edge of the frame, will strengthen the composition. Why not open up the upper sky a shade or two to let the grain show? This picture has a tactile quality that will render well on natural hot press cotton paper. As I look at it, I am reminded of Nicéphore Niépce's famous first photo.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on October 15, 2015, 09:24:43 AM
Thanks for that. The crop would cut out the sun/moon lit rocks on the beach. I quite like them. Off to look up Nicéphore Niépce

Edit: to add that I now feel slightly embarrassed for not knowing who he was
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: BobDavid on October 15, 2015, 10:22:55 AM
Thanks for that. The crop would cut out the sun/moon lit rocks on the beach. I quite like them. Off to look up Nicéphore Niépce

Edit: to add that I now feel slightly embarrassed for not knowing who he was

Nicéphore Niépce is not exactly a household name.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on October 15, 2015, 11:59:32 AM
Nicéphore Niépce is not exactly a household name.


Nope, a gallerista's wet dream is closer. You ain't missed much, Mr Chairman; rarity doesn't equate with quality! (As I get banned from cultivated society...)

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on October 15, 2015, 12:00:58 PM
I think cropping the picture on the right-side, halfway between the moon and the edge of the frame, will strengthen the composition. Why not open up the upper sky a shade or two to let the grain show? This picture has a tactile quality that will render well on natural hot press cotton paper. As I look at it, I am reminded of Nicéphore Niépce's famous first photo.


Ahem.. this is Without Prejudice...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: kikashi on October 15, 2015, 01:19:11 PM
I wanted a grainy moonlit seascape, but time was short, and the weather wasn't about to deliver any visible moon before we left, so I improvised a bit, and thought I could sort things in processing. So a daytime shot, but hopefully looking a little bit moonish. Whaddya think? Does it work?

It's good, Bill, and I like it, but you aren't going to fool anyone into thinking that it was taken at night.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on October 15, 2015, 01:28:21 PM
It's good, Bill, and I like it, but you aren't going to fool anyone into thinking that it was taken at night.

Jeremy

:-(
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Bruce Cox on October 15, 2015, 03:34:16 PM
For Maggie
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: John R on October 15, 2015, 09:51:17 PM
Rob, really enjoyed your 'fats domino' and 'five' images. You must be entering a new phase, where your try to find new ways of seeing ordinary things in new ways.

JR
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on October 16, 2015, 06:40:32 AM
Rob, really enjoyed your 'fats domino' and 'five' images. You must be entering a new phase, where your try to find new ways of seeing ordinary things in new ways.

JR


Thank you John. The 'Fats' thing is only newish for me because I wanted to go beyond what the cat delivers when focussed as best it can be. There seems to be a critical point between in and out when it works in an interesting way without going too far out. For commercial purposes it was always 'in' and that was quite a challenge with 64 ASA films!

Regarding '5', it's something for which I had no commercial calls - but it is very much a memory 'thanks' to Saul Leiter, as is a lot that I do these days- Discovered him in the late 50s and then he vanished from my area across the mighty Atlantic but for a sporadic period when he graced Nova and similar. It's not easy to get into the mood with digital; takes a bit of messing about to degrade enough...

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on October 16, 2015, 12:22:17 PM
Another, with my original 500 cat before my male menopause when I dumped everything for 6x7 (I know, I know!), but this was, I think, Kodachrome 200, which was rather special too.

Rob C
(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/7103323_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on October 16, 2015, 05:08:27 PM
Shot a long time ago with a cheap fixed lens film camera (the film was probably a Fuji Superia 200).
In the middle there are 2 doves who spent half of a winter on the same branch outside my apartment window, 3 stories high, until one night I didn't see them anymore.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on October 16, 2015, 06:17:26 PM
Another, with my original 500 cat before my male menopause when I dumped everything for 6x7 (I know, I know!), but this was, I think, Kodachrome 200, which was rather special too.

Rob C
(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/7103323_orig.jpg)

Rob, very nice. Filtered, may I ask?

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: John R on October 16, 2015, 08:38:52 PM
This is a multiple exposure image. It finally dawned on me that if I exposed a few images I would get a similar effect to a very long exposure because the water was moving.

(https://johnroias.smugmug.com/Autumn-2015/i-ZZp4Nx3/0/L/Oct%2015-%202015%20Glen%20Haffey%20102%20copy1000-L.jpg) (https://johnroias.smugmug.com/Autumn-2015/i-ZZp4Nx3/A)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on October 17, 2015, 04:46:30 AM
Rob, very nice. Filtered, may I ask?

Peter


Yes, Peter; I think it was one of the little yellow ones that fits into the back part of the lens. I remember seeing some great shots with these lenses where everything was blue, or green, too, and thinking how strange the new world they discovered. Thing is, I almost never had clients wanting that kind of stuff, so it almost never got shot. This particular one was done as part of a stock thing I had going based on Mediterranean 'atmospherics'. I was quite enthusiastic, until the Stone agency rang me up asking me to stop sending Med pix because the entire London stock business was awash, nay, drowning in similar material...

Too many people, too many agencies, too few paying clients. Like any good idea, it has its time during those first few years before the rest of the world latches onto it too.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on October 17, 2015, 06:06:17 AM
Thanks - had lunch out again today and feel quite good! Time for another snap, in fact!

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/5717071_orig.jpg)

Rob C

Like it very much :-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on October 17, 2015, 06:10:19 AM
This is a multiple exposure image. It finally dawned on me that if I exposed a few images I would get a similar effect to a very long exposure because the water was moving.

(https://johnroias.smugmug.com/Autumn-2015/i-ZZp4Nx3/0/L/Oct%2015-%202015%20Glen%20Haffey%20102%20copy1000-L.jpg) (https://johnroias.smugmug.com/Autumn-2015/i-ZZp4Nx3/A)

It's a much more interesting effect than a long exposure of water, which I've now seen in photos more times than a nude woman arching her back in euphemistic desire. Looks like brush-strokes :-) Pity about the big watermark, but I guess if you need to protect your image...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on October 17, 2015, 02:56:15 PM
Like it very much :-)


Thanks, it's pleasant to find things just sitting there waiting for me!

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Patricia Sheley on October 17, 2015, 09:51:08 PM
Thanks - had lunch out again today and feel quite good! Time for another snap, in fact!

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/5717071_orig.jpg)

Rob C

Rob,  ..That's a Beaut !!!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on October 17, 2015, 10:34:54 PM
Rob,  ..That's a Beaut !!!
+1.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on October 18, 2015, 05:31:34 AM
Patricia, Eric: thanks very much - I enjoy finding something that just fits itself well!

On the one hand I think life is full of such things, then on the other hand, they seem so difficult to discover despite being there all along. Perhaps we, as photograhers, simply have on and off days. Wish I could find the switch.

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on October 18, 2015, 08:18:37 AM
Patricia, Eric: thanks very much - I enjoy finding something that just fits itself well!

On the one hand I think life is full of such things, then on the other hand, they seem so difficult to discover despite being there all along. Perhaps we, as photograhers, simply have on and off days. Wish I could find the switch.

;-)

Rob

In this case the switch was on, and you caught that last triangle of sunlight...seconds later the switch would be off.

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on October 18, 2015, 10:25:20 AM
In this case the switch was on, and you caught that last triangle of sunlight...seconds later the switch would be off.

Peter


Damn! I knew it wasn't ever going to be my finger on that switch!

(Which reminds me of the new politico heading up the UK's left... forget that, Rob! At once!)

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on October 18, 2015, 10:28:31 AM

Damn! I knew it wasn't ever going to be my finger on that switch!
Rob C

It never is... :~ )

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on October 18, 2015, 10:40:09 AM
It never is... :~ )

Peter


Too true!

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on October 18, 2015, 01:24:44 PM
Quite an old one - Rannoch Moor & the Black Mount

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: kikashi on October 18, 2015, 01:37:46 PM
Quite an old one - Rannoch Moor & the Black Mount

Nice. Looks bleak: I hope you had a stiff Scotch waiting when you got back inside!

Jeremy
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on October 18, 2015, 01:58:10 PM
Nice. Looks bleak: I hope you had a stiff Scotch waiting when you got back inside!

Jeremy


Had me worried for a moment, there!

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on October 18, 2015, 02:05:40 PM
IIRC, that night was spent at the Clachaig Inn, and I was drinking Fraoch
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: kikashi on October 19, 2015, 06:16:38 AM
Nice. Looks bleak: I hope you had a stiff Scotch waiting when you got back inside!

Jeremy
Had me worried for a moment, there!

;-)

Rob C

Rob! As Russ has commented when I have made comments which could be similarly interpreted, tut tut.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on October 19, 2015, 05:08:16 PM
Two images of my favorite pool, in september and yesterday (the subject of the second one is me talking of love to her, while she remains rather cold...)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on October 19, 2015, 05:11:39 PM
Love the one with the sheep. Not that I've got a thing for sheep. Thought I should just make that clear. They are very pretty though ... 
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on October 20, 2015, 04:31:54 AM
Love the one with the sheep. Not that I've got a thing for sheep. Thought I should just make that clear. They are very pretty though ...



But is it clear enough, Mr Chairman?

It's been noted that you frequent those lonely places a great deal... do you wear green wellies or, perhaps, boots on those - excursions?

;-)

Rob C

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on October 20, 2015, 04:33:39 AM
Two images of my favorite pool, in september and yesterday (the subject of the second one is me talking of love to her, while she remains rather cold...)


Man, there is a confusion of love objects there!

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on October 20, 2015, 04:43:26 AM
Another little trip into the far away:

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/2019743_orig.jpg)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on October 20, 2015, 07:23:20 AM
It's been noted that you frequent those lonely places a great deal... do you wear green wellies or, perhaps, boots on those - excursions?

Usually trail running shoes. Wet feet, but they dry better than wet boots, and much more comfortable.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on October 20, 2015, 08:26:11 AM
These are the same sheeps.  I had the same impression of Bill, they are very pretty (and nosy),  you can find them even on the summit of a mountain.

P.S. For me italian mountain boots GTX.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on October 20, 2015, 10:32:30 AM
Usually trail running shoes. Wet feet, but they dry better than wet boots, and much more comfortable.


Artful Dodger!

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on October 20, 2015, 10:39:10 AM
These are the same sheeps.  I had the same impression of Bill, they are very pretty (and nosy),  you can find them even on the summit of a mountain.

P.S. For me italian mountain boots GTX.


You can't get near the Mallorcan ones; their mothers have warned them. Their fathers would ram you if the daughters forgot.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on October 20, 2015, 01:04:17 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on October 20, 2015, 01:37:43 PM
 :) (After some ermeneutical reflexion on Rob's text )
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on October 20, 2015, 01:41:01 PM
 :)  (After some hermeneutical meditation on Rob's text )
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on October 21, 2015, 05:48:14 PM
A windy day on Dartmoor. The long range forecast is for a potentially very chilly winter. Hopefully lots more days like this one
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: jjj on October 23, 2015, 08:04:37 AM
Looks like the apocalypse!
[in a good way]
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: jjj on October 23, 2015, 08:17:15 AM
Usually trail running shoes. Wet feet, but they dry better than wet boots, and much more comfortable.
I'm currently wearing some Inov8 Roclite trail running shoes, light comfy and they are also waterproof. The GTXs on this page  (http://www.inov-8.com/New/Global/product-select-offroad-shoes.asp?G=%&L=26&A=Trail&WA=%&T=%&F=%)are the waterproof ones. GTX meaning Goretex. There's now a boot version I see, which would be even better for keeping ones feet dry.
Waterproof socks are one of the great inventions though. I bought some Dexell Bamboo socks (http://dexshell.co.uk/product-category/waterproof-socks/) recently as Seal-Skinz seems to be poorly fitting and inconsistent size wise these days and generally not as good as they used to be.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on October 23, 2015, 08:21:42 AM
On Dartmoor in particular, the ground is very boggy & there are hundreds of streams to keep crossing. It's much easier to just walk through the streams than worry about rock-hopping your way across - one slip & Smack! Splash! Ouch! My camera! Waterproof boots tend not to stay waterproof when the water gets up to mid-calf & beyond :-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on October 23, 2015, 10:50:21 AM
Usually trail running shoes. Wet feet, but they dry better than wet boots, and much more comfortable.

I had the same rationale this summer (a little chilly up in the mountain though). With wool socks I had no major issues with the temperature if you keep moving. The problem that I didn't anticipate was that in the damp and cool cabin the damn shoes wouldn't dry up, at all. And they were light trail shoes. No heat source either.
If you don't have large streams to pass and you have long pants/gaiters to keep the water from going in the shoes from above waterproof shoes/boots are still a good option.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on October 23, 2015, 02:22:01 PM
Playing with focus stacking just to find out (again) just how much time it actually takes
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: jjj on October 23, 2015, 08:36:32 PM
On Dartmoor in particular, the ground is very boggy & there are hundreds of streams to keep crossing. It's much easier to just walk through the streams than worry about rock-hopping your way across - one slip & Smack! Splash! Ouch! My camera! Waterproof boots tend not to stay waterproof when the water gets up to mid-calf & beyond :-)
I also have long waterproof socks.  :P
I believe a decent set of gaiters will also keep water from getting in via top of boot.

I don't have an issue with hot sweaty feet, so getting them wet will simply mean very cold feet. So no chance of shoes drying out, particularly when temp drops. I ended up going through a bog today whilst out on bike. Waterproof socks kept feet lovely and dry/warm when my summer cycling shoes shoes got sodden.  :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on October 24, 2015, 09:25:48 AM
As an escape from socks 'n' feet:

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/2139393_orig.jpg)

As with our XR2 before it, when this was taken in for its first Spanish MOT, the guy in charge of issuing or not issuing certificates insisted in arguing that the spots were not 'de serie' - standard - and should be removed before the car could pass! I told him they all came like that... in the end, he failed me for their angle. I went straight back to the local Ford dealership where it was bought, they tested them, said they were perfect. I returned to the test centre and they passed it right away. Go figure.

Kept it for about 8 years, did many Mallorca/Scotland trips with it; the sliding panel roof rusted, had it replaced on Ford, and then when we traded it in, it continued to live in the local village until it was 14, at which time it vanished for ever. The new owners never even washed it - I'd swear - and I used to pat it, wish it well and apologise every time we saw it parked somewhere. Funny how you can feel emotionally attached to things that have been part of your good times. I liked Pirelli P6s.

Rob C

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on October 24, 2015, 04:08:37 PM
Another conversation with Ms Coke.

Rob C
(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/434837_orig.jpg)

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on October 29, 2015, 05:21:48 PM
Oh well, friends are where you find them.

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/7747594_orig.jpg)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on October 29, 2015, 05:45:12 PM
I like your new BFF...I approve.

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on October 29, 2015, 07:09:49 PM
I like your new BFF...I approve.

Peter


Funny thing: the horse shares the field with three more of them; they all vanish whenever they see a camera, but this one came up and let me rub its nose. (Well, not its nostrils of course - why would I want to do that? - but the long part between ears and nostrils.) I haven't done that before - always kept my distance. They bite, you know. My wife used to feed similar creatures at every opportunity and they never bit her. She had a dog before we were married. It bit me, as did my mother's, and also a stray here in Spain. I only liked my own dogs. We understood each other perfectly. We never bit one another.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on October 29, 2015, 07:23:10 PM

Funny thing: the horse shares the field with three more of them; they all vanish whenever they see a camera, but this one came up and let me rub its nose. (Well, not its nostrils of course - why would I want to do that? - but the long part between ears and nostrils.) I haven't done that before - always kept my distance. They bite, you know. My wife used to feed similar creatures at every opportunity and they never bit her. She had a dog before we were married. It bit me, as did my mother's, and also a stray here in Spain. I only liked my own dogs. We understood each other perfectly. We never bit one another.

Rob
We live across the road from a small horse farm. When it snows I get to watch, from my studio, the horses rolling around in in their snow bath. Great stuff all year round...

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Arlen on October 29, 2015, 11:12:36 PM
We have alpacas living across the road from us. They look cuddly enough. Don't know if they bite, but I've heard they spit. Which is worse?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on October 30, 2015, 05:26:38 AM
We have alpacas living across the road from us. They look cuddly enough. Don't know if they bite, but I've heard they spit. Which is worse?

You can wash off spit, as everyone who followed punk knew. They just didn't want to go near the water - too 'establishment', not 'radical' or enough 'of the people' to be nice, and tribally acceptable.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on October 30, 2015, 12:15:17 PM
Thought of a little trip into the mythical.

Rob C
(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/3362103_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on November 07, 2015, 05:31:31 PM
Thinking.

Rob C
(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/9460412_orig.jpg)

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on November 07, 2015, 06:10:57 PM
A reworking of a photo taken a couple of years ago. Five frame stitch.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on November 07, 2015, 06:24:18 PM
Absolute beauty, Bill!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Bruce Cox on November 07, 2015, 07:16:08 PM
plus
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Bruce Cox on November 07, 2015, 07:19:00 PM
Absolute beauty, Bill!

plus
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: BobDavid on November 07, 2015, 09:03:40 PM
plus

easy on the eyes, nice
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on November 07, 2015, 10:34:23 PM
Absolute beauty, Bill!
Likewise.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on November 08, 2015, 04:33:15 AM
Thanks. I was trying toget a bit more sense of depth than the original processing. I'm certainly happier with this one.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: pegelli on November 08, 2015, 01:19:47 PM
Great shot Bill!

Just a fun shot from me:

2D/3D

(https://pegelli.smugmug.com/Other/201504/i-nJSDmmV/0/O/PEG_NEX6_2_00915_20150409.jpg) (https://pegelli.smugmug.com/Other/201504/i-nJSDmmV/A)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on November 08, 2015, 05:49:12 PM
I think I'd like to hire that little guy to clean my oven. It looks like he does a good job of it.  ;)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on November 11, 2015, 08:57:14 AM
Läch di Pian del Läch, Pedruna Valley, Valtelline.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on November 11, 2015, 10:13:12 AM
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Title: Without Prejudice : Northeaster Light
Post by: Patricia Sheley on November 11, 2015, 06:28:42 PM
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: francois on November 13, 2015, 03:50:17 AM
Läch di Pian del Läch, Pedruna Valley, Valtelline.

I love those alpine landscapes. The deep blue of the lake is a magnet for my eyes…
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: kikashi on November 14, 2015, 04:15:34 AM
Very nice, Bill. Composition, light, cloud pointing to the tree: all work well.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Bruce Cox on November 14, 2015, 09:04:28 AM
Northeaster Light is serious fun.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on November 14, 2015, 10:33:45 AM
Thanks for that, Jeremy.

Here's one from Borrowdale in the Lake District, Grains Gill from Stockley Bridge. Gill is a local term for rocky, steep mountain streams
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Mjollnir on November 17, 2015, 12:52:49 PM
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5691/22471627213_4814b91d60_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/AeJXSv)Storm, Antelope Valley (https://flic.kr/p/AeJXSv) by tanngrisnir3 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on November 18, 2015, 06:13:06 PM
this evening
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on November 18, 2015, 06:15:02 PM
Cool double rainbow. Fisheye?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on November 18, 2015, 07:52:49 PM
Cool double rainbow. Fisheye?

Nope, handheld pano from a Pana FZ1000. I stopped the car and used the camera I had with me, it only lasted for few minutes.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on November 19, 2015, 06:48:38 PM
windows
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: BobDavid on November 19, 2015, 11:17:58 PM
this evening

Damn, Armand. You've captured an image that I've been trying to get for decades. Well done. I'd trade a pot of gold (or two) to capture a scene as well as you have.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on November 20, 2015, 10:07:06 AM
Damn, Armand. You've captured an image that I've been trying to get for decades. Well done. I'd trade a pot of gold (or two) to capture a scene as well as you have.

Thank you. Luck and preparedness (partial). In hindsight I should have done better though, as in lower ISO and covering the entire rainbow.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: pegelli on November 22, 2015, 07:09:11 AM
Canopy covering the walkways at the Shanghai World Fair in 2010

(https://pegelli.smugmug.com/Other/201010/i-q7mDH6G/0/O/PEG_A850_01713_20101010.jpg) (https://pegelli.smugmug.com/Other/201010/i-q7mDH6G/A)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on November 25, 2015, 01:20:44 PM
Very little snow in (Eastern) Grosina Valley last Sunday, but cold enough to freeze my double-socked feet while shooting in Cassavrolo (Casauröl) Valley...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: francois on November 26, 2015, 03:19:36 AM
Very little snow in (Eastern) Grosina Valley last Sunday, but cold enough to freeze my double-socked feet while shooting in Cassavrolo (Casauröl) Valley...

Lovely light!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on November 26, 2015, 04:36:52 AM
Quantock Hills

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on November 26, 2015, 07:05:48 AM
^^^ Lovely.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on November 26, 2015, 10:01:09 AM
^^^ Lovely.
+1.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on November 26, 2015, 11:36:28 AM
More snow
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on November 29, 2015, 03:37:28 PM
I don't usually do birds but here are few
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on November 30, 2015, 10:16:08 AM
birders
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on November 30, 2015, 10:21:28 AM
True birder:

(http://www.slobodanblagojevic.com/img/s4/v12/p1725488490-3.jpg) (http://www.slobodanblagojevic.com/p1025007936/e66d8dd6a)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on November 30, 2015, 10:44:32 AM
Slobodan & Eric - thanks for the comments. Much appreciated
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 01, 2015, 09:57:22 AM
My grandfather's pen, circa '48. It came as a set, complete with propelling pencil. I tried to use it once, but contemporary cheques turned out to be made on inferior, ink-running paper suited only to the ubiquitous Biro. Another example of things improving whilst actually becoming worse than before.

However, the broad nib was eminently suited to signing prints with a flourish. Nice 'n' crass.

Rob C

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/1252491_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on December 01, 2015, 02:04:54 PM
Nice. I'm not so sure about the crass bit though
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 02, 2015, 04:59:41 AM
Nice. I'm not so sure about the crass bit though


Neither am I, truth to tell; just passing the time looking for images within the things already present at home. I get so bored - no, blinded - by covering the same old few square kilos of this island every day that sometimes I feel it's better just saving the gas and looking around the pad instead. Been doing that, on and off, for quite a while, and I discovered that there's as much within as without - just needs the passage of time to renew the interest in both (for myself, at least, and that's what counts).

When we first came to live here, we visited every single bay, large or minute, that was reachable by car in the essential recce for photographic locations for calendar/fashion shoots. Found some beauts, but most of them have gone, raped and turned into themes of what Spain might have been had Disney bought it. Anyway, the times have changed, and driving for hours just to get happy snaps doesn't cut it for me. Never did: had to be a payday for all that discomfort. Long driving for pleasure meant France. Loved it.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on December 02, 2015, 11:56:35 AM
Rob,

There's something especially fascinating about looking closely at an every-day object that you have been passing by thousands of times. And sharing those moments can inspire others to look more closely, too.

I took a workshop with landscape photographer Paul Caponigro many years ago. Although he has written lengthy essays in recent years, back then he didn't lecture or have much to say, at least verbally. When we weren't out photographing somewhere, he would show us prints of some of his own and of several other photographers. Most of the time he just showed a print for a couple of minutes, and then brought out a different one. But every now and then, he said: "Look!" and waited a bit longer.

And we did. And we had to make up our own minds what to look for. To me, that is the essence of good photography: just "Look!"

Your grandfather's pen got me looking around my cluttered office, and I began to look at one of the most mundane things around: the side of my desktop computer. Some day soon I may try to take a picture of it.

Until I do, Thanks, Rob!

-Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 02, 2015, 01:26:10 PM
Hi Eric,

Yes, there's merit in some mundane stuff after all. I sometimes think of the Leica 111 G-type of camera body, because it was partly adverts for it and other fancy products that I discovered (as a kid in India), on the pages of Life and other manistream US publications, that caused me a lot of interest in cameras, partly for their artistic possibilities, but more for their design, which, in common with Rolex, strike me as the most impressive design manifestations of them all. Of course, the tail of the  '59 Coupe de Ville is never forgotten... (I also liked the mean look of the snout of the Sabre Jet. The entire aircraft, in fact.) Actually, when I first saw the Leica bodies I was far more into Vincent Van Gogh, and that's exactly what I thought/hoped my future would be: paint. I soon realised I lacked the talent for paint, and the switch to photography was easy, mentally, but exceptionally difficult physically, because nobody I knew even believed photography was a 'proper' career, and the only pro known to any one of us lived down in London and shot stills for movies. I never met him, unfortunately. But all that's neither here nor there.

What's here, is that those old cameras do have a lot of design value, even the ugly old Exaktas had a certain clumsy, visual charm and they did help make damned good pictures, too. I think such things make for great subjects, if you have any of them to hand. I don't mean as cleverly-lit product shots, but just bits 'n' pieces, and like that. I think an old Contaflex lives somewhere in a cupboard - it wasn't mine - just dumped on me by somebody else who inherited it and didn't want to waste space. Must look for it some day... But shoot your computer first!

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on December 02, 2015, 02:04:26 PM
Rob,

I wonder if I can find the old 7-inch Aero Ektar lens I had, which I fitted into a hom,e-made lensboard for my Speed Graphic back in the day. It could be a good subject.

Or my father's Leica M3, which I handled once but never used to take pictures. I had a lowly Pentax, and when I handled the Leica, it was like holding a Rolls Royce in my hands. I have never experienced such a smooth feel to the focusing on any lens, or the clarity of the view finder. But it just felt so damned EXPENSIVE that I never dared take it outdoors for fear of dropping it. Sigh!

Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 02, 2015, 04:18:44 PM
Rob,

I wonder if I can find the old 7-inch Aero Ektar lens I had, which I fitted into a hom,e-made lensboard for my Speed Graphic back in the day. It could be a good subject.

Or my father's Leica M3, which I handled once but never used to take pictures. I had a lowly Pentax, and when I handled the Leica, it was like holding a Rolls Royce in my hands. I have never experienced such a smooth feel to the focusing on any lens, or the clarity of the view finder. But it just felt so damned EXPENSIVE that I never dared take it outdoors for fear of dropping it. Sigh!

Eric


I understand the emotion, Eric. When I bought my first 500 'blad I sat and read the booklet over and over and over again: there seemed to be so many things that I might do to make it falter, but in reality, it was a gently pussycat, and the only things ever to go wrong were the same, twice: delayed-action failure on the 50mm lens's shutter. It felt wonderfully tactile in a purposeful sort of way, and I eventually bought a prism finder (45° one) which felt odd at first, but then became the norm. The two ways the Rollei TLR beat it were shakeless hand-held work, and I felt the more generously checked Rollei screen was more useful than the fewer etchings on the 'blad's version.

The 'booklet' problem fades into nothingness when we compare it with the literature that accompanies even a modest, contemporary dslr. But, even there, we can discount so much about digital cameras and just set them up at the most manual setting we like, and then they generally keep out of our way.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on December 02, 2015, 08:54:22 PM
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 03, 2015, 11:14:57 AM
Hi Eric,

I think an old Contaflex lives somewhere in a cupboard - it wasn't mine - just dumped on me by somebody else who inherited it and didn't want to waste space. Must look for it some day... But shoot your computer first!

Rob

Yep, I found it Eric, and now I know why I was 'gifted' it: the mirror's jammed up and the blades within the lens don't seem to move open even though the shutter mechanism makes a hideous din. In other words, junk.

But everything has value: come summer and all going well, I shall actually try to remember to use it as a doorstop; it is certainly heavy enough, especially within its lovely, hard, leather case. (I better be careful of conjoining words like hard and leather - you know what the PC police are like...! Conjoin? Heavens, even that sounds suspiciously like something naughty in Spanish!)

Of course, my F3 will never knowingly be used by myself as stopper. But naturally, everyone knows that already.

I don't think that I'll be snapping the Contaflex at all.

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 03, 2015, 11:26:42 AM
One thing about winter out here is this: 'tis the season the farmers etc. are legally permitted to start bonfires which, thought they might endanger the planet's long-term future, do allow for the cultivation of fresh stuff for the more near future. There's something attractive, almost mystical in distant smoke. Reminds me (smoke, not the pic) not of red indians (is that still okay to write?), but of that famous scene about "the smell of napalm in the morning".

Rob
(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/7252629_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on December 03, 2015, 12:31:20 PM
I like the photo, Rob, but it doesn't smell like napalm to me.
Then again, I am happy to report that I have no idea what napalm actually smells like, as I was excused from military duty because of my bad hearing.

Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 03, 2015, 01:20:49 PM
I like the photo, Rob, but it doesn't smell like napalm to me.
Then again, I am happy to report that I have no idea what napalm actually smells like, as I was excused from military duty because of my bad hearing.

Eric


I was also excused - because I was spending the time in alternative capture: engineering. By the time press-ganging ended, I was also able to turn a deaf ear (oop`s!) to all entreaties and do what I'd always wanted to do: become a learner smudger. Shame so many years were wasted avoiding one PITA but paying much the same time-price for enlisting in another. C'est la vie.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 06, 2015, 10:57:03 AM
Seasonal mood:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I2f1UJjiAA

Rob C
(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/2249980_orig.jpg)

Told you you can have fun jus' shootin' around the house...

;-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on December 06, 2015, 01:26:30 PM
I never thought of brushing my teeth with Chanel. #5 is it?  ;)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 06, 2015, 02:17:54 PM
I never thought of brushing my teeth with Chanel. #5 is it?  ;)

5, indeed, but not a good idea for the teeth. The spray was, apparently, good for a quick squirt at the throat before going to the Sunday market to buy the week's veggies, but the little bottle was the real deal, and no longer exists chez moi. It went to Scotland with my daughter.

Sadly funny: feeling low one day, I thought I'd remove the black top and have a little sentimental sniff: unfortunately, I got the damned spray right in my eyes. Sentiment immediately flew right out the window - the howl was one of fright!

Leave lady things alone, I think, is the moral of the tale.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on December 06, 2015, 03:10:34 PM
Leave lady things alone, I think, is the moral of the tale.

Rob
Yes. They can fight back.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on December 06, 2015, 03:54:07 PM
Leave lady things alone, I think, is the moral of the tale.

Definitely not. Not yet anyway. You're a long time dead, so I plan to not leave lady things along until I have no choice in the matter.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 07, 2015, 05:52:50 AM
Definitely not. Not yet anyway. You're a long time dead, so I plan to not leave lady things along until I have no choice in the matter.

Wrong! You are never dead! You simply pass rapidly from one life to another form. It's a mechanical, physical, chemical fact: matter can neither be created nor destroyed. The water you drink was predrunk by a dino, your skin once belonged to a wasp; the cloud in the sky above you in Blighty once lived in the Pacific and gave support to a whale. You see the inevitability and impossibilty of death?

Cheers me no end!

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on December 07, 2015, 06:12:53 AM
Matter can indeed be created & destroyed. Sadly.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 07, 2015, 10:32:54 AM
Matter can indeed be created & destroyed. Sadly.

You do yourself an injustice.

That Cornish Engine House is absolutely beautiful: simple but dramatic in an elemental way.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on December 07, 2015, 12:33:08 PM
Which Cornish engine house?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 07, 2015, 12:55:41 PM
Which Cornish engine house?

As I click the link right now, it's the image on the right, top row of two images: reddish earth foreground, small building at horizon and magnificent dark clouds with a little bit of sunlight bursting through mainly on the left.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on December 07, 2015, 04:58:50 PM
Ah, this one on my Flickr page. Got it. Thanks.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 10, 2015, 04:22:52 AM
Snatched yesterday afternoon before going home, having wasted some more gas going no particular place but out and away.

Rob C
(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/3368750_orig.jpg)

D200 with manual 2.8/135; almost impossible to fame and/or even hold steady. One good reason for image stab. if starting again from new.

The single cup looks as depressed as the single fag end. Must be the onset of winter.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Diego Pigozzo on December 10, 2015, 04:39:31 AM
Snatched yesterday afternoon before going home, having wasted some more gas going no particular place but out and away.
...
...
The single cup looks as depressed as the single fag end. Must be the onset of winter.
I like it, quite a lot in fact: it conveys a very strong mood.


ps: what's the 2.8/135mm manual lens? Could it be an Helios? :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on December 10, 2015, 08:17:09 AM
Snatched yesterday afternoon before going home, having wasted some more gas going no particular place but out and away.

Rob C

No particular place to go...but out and away. My favorite thing. Ofter the best stuff happens for that very reason. One needs to be open.

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 10, 2015, 12:24:46 PM
Thank you, Diego - glad it reaches out a bit.

Peter: I tend to stay out as much as I can; the motivation in winter is to let somebody else pay for the heating! But actually, yeah, as long as one can keep going, that's the way to do it. Little comes knockin' - you gotta get after it. However, I believe it would be different in a city: memory tells me that it stays just as busy, but with a far different flavour. Purposeful rather than lazy.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Bruce Cox on December 12, 2015, 08:35:58 PM
This was just down the street.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2-Akatsuki Path
Post by: Patricia Sheley on December 13, 2015, 07:52:09 PM
...yield to light
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on December 13, 2015, 08:48:01 PM
Very fine, Patricia!
Minor would love it, too.

-Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on December 14, 2015, 10:42:25 AM
Very fine, Patricia!
Minor would love it, too.

-Eric

+1
This is the type of photography I'm very fond of
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on December 14, 2015, 12:15:44 PM
Here's looking at ewe
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2-Akatsuki Path
Post by: kikashi on December 14, 2015, 04:28:14 PM
...yield to light

Lovely, Pat. I like the highlighted mast to the right.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Patricia Sheley on December 15, 2015, 09:19:02 AM
Eric, Armand...Thank you for your first impressions... very much in line with where I was as I waited in the still that morning. Jeremy, surprisingly I had slipped into a blurred meditational eye watering stare as I was shaken back to alertness by just exactly that momentary event. Realigned the shot, one click, and it evaporated from view.

Thank you all. I am currently enjoying work with this illusive file trying to distract myself from some enormous life changes barreling down at me. Appreciate you camaraderie.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 17, 2015, 10:01:20 AM
Can't trust a soul.

Rob C

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/3870536_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on December 17, 2015, 03:38:30 PM
Can't trust a soul.

Rob C

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/3870536_orig.jpg)

Hi Rob,

Just a mere leap of faith...

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 17, 2015, 04:55:58 PM
Not if it's your boat that got stolen!

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on December 17, 2015, 05:01:01 PM
Not if it's your boat that got stolen!

;-)

Rob C
[/quote/]

I don't own a boat...

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on December 17, 2015, 05:07:32 PM
Lodore Falls, Cumbria
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 18, 2015, 04:28:48 AM
Not if it's your boat that got stolen!

;-)

Rob C
[/quote/]

I don't own a boat...

Peter

......................................................

And for a zillion reasons, neither do I!

I originally wanted to live in one (thinking it was just about whether you could buy it), and then later I discovered the enormous annual expense these things generate, which in my case, would have implied going futt. The original idea came about in stages, the first nudge from a shoot in Rhodes, where we walked into a room in the Rodos Palece Hotel to see an exhibition of paintings. I think the painter was American, but the lady (his wife) running the room was French and she used to hire exhibition rooms in the various top hotels in the Med and they would sail from place to lace showing and working like that...

Later on, after a couple of weeks in the Bahamas working on one cal which involved boating, we found ourselves in Puerto Pollensa, Mallorca, doing another, and standing in front of a boat called Tortola which belonged to an ex-broker who lived in Switzerland in winter and aboard his boat in summer. Invited aboard, the chat led to the cost of mooring a boat in Mallorca, and I realised that this chap was paying less a year for his moorings than I was to the local Scottish council as rates on a house I already owned. The contrast was plain. It led from one thing to another, and the upshot was that we sold the house and came here, but my wife refused to sink it all into a yacht - thank God! and so we managed okay. Another thing about boats here is that the taxation thing is never quite resolved, and you seem to be a dripping roast to inland revenue bodies... as they say, you can't tax blood out from a stone, so look for something fat.

I even toyed with the idea of just a ski boat as consolation prize; that led to the curious situation where the Glastron agent was very happy to sell, but could never be pinned down as to where, once bought, the boat could be moored or wintered. In essence, even a toy requires you own a house with grounds,  or that money doesn't matter to you in the slightest. Fortunately, I didn't nibble at the hook, and later realised that even a yacht I might have once been able to afford to buy wouldn't have been big enough for what's required for a comfortable life. Today, even a floating shoe requires you be a millionaire.

But anyway, it all gave me illusions for about five years. Which pretty much sums up what this life is all about.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on December 19, 2015, 01:42:06 PM
"Musos," as I think Rob calls them, in a Chicago performance the other day:

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 19, 2015, 02:35:00 PM
You're in the right city, baby!

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: BobDavid on December 20, 2015, 09:49:44 AM
I espied this while waiting for the drawbridge to come down.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 20, 2015, 09:54:52 AM
Interestng medical condition of the thumbnail...

That's not street, that's road!

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: BobDavid on December 20, 2015, 12:19:21 PM
Interestng medical condition of the thumbnail...

That's not street, that's road!

;-)

Rob C

psoriasis?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on December 21, 2015, 06:57:42 PM
One from the Pembrokeshire coast
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on December 21, 2015, 07:21:05 PM
Different music, rock guitar:

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Bruce Cox on December 21, 2015, 08:18:13 PM
The good lighting in the fourth one makes his guitar sound better too.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: BobDavid on December 21, 2015, 09:11:38 PM
Slobodan, of the set I like the second one the most. It's cool the way the green glints off his hair. His expression is interesting too. I looked at it with some of the top cropped off and just a tad of the left-side of the frame too. That seemed to bring him closer to the camera.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Patricia Sheley on December 21, 2015, 10:35:20 PM
~except memory.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on December 23, 2015, 10:53:51 AM
The good lighting in the fourth one makes his guitar sound better too.

Maybe it tastes better too.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: drmike on December 23, 2015, 11:37:16 AM
Patricia - that's a very interesting image with shapes and textures to explore. The main shadow motif is very strong and it sits well on the background.

Mike
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Bruce Cox on December 23, 2015, 03:45:53 PM
Maybe it tastes better too.

Blueberries and blue-corn are all right, but blue notes are tastiest if they are served with the color black. 

You need at least a little white light in the picture to get the best from the shadows. 

Therefore, on second thought I still prefer the guitarist with arm raised.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on December 23, 2015, 05:22:54 PM
Blueberries and blue-corn are all right, but blue notes are tastiest if they are served with the color black. 

You need at least a little white light in the picture to get the best from the shadows...

Ah, Bruce, you are just green with envy ;)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Bruce Cox on December 23, 2015, 07:26:55 PM
Being correct and being envyous are not mutually exclusive.

The neck and strings running along the edge of the frame is cool.

Red, green and blue make white, sometimes.

Neat shadows on his face too.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 24, 2015, 06:38:17 AM
(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/1733576_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on December 24, 2015, 08:55:33 AM
Cellphone swing


In a classic form a modern subject (modern in the sense that the woman is collecting images of the past.). I like both.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 24, 2015, 11:10:05 AM

In a classic form a modern subject (modern in the sense that the woman is collecting images of the past.). I like both.

Thank you; a shot from Tuesday, in Palma, looking at the 'whatever's there'.

Shapes interest me a lot. (Note: food for trolls.)

Merry Christmas!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Patricia Sheley on December 24, 2015, 01:05:08 PM
Patricia - that's a very interesting image with shapes and textures to explore. The main shadow motif is very strong and it sits well on the background.

Mike

Mike, It is that shadow which repeatedly flickered on and off trying to attract my attention which produced this and a small additional group. I've made note of the location to revisit along the way of my passings... Thank you for recognizing the communicator. I know we all build our individual lenses and receptors, and nice to see the catch for you. Affirms my thoughts as I watch some of your "seeing" as to something of whom may be at home behind your eyes.

Wishing you a Merry Christmas and a strong year ahead.
Lumine,
P.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on December 24, 2015, 02:18:48 PM
Thank you; a shot from Tuesday, in Palma, looking at the 'whatever's there'.

Shapes interest me a lot. (Note: food for trolls.)

Merry Christmas!

Rob C

Merry Christmas Rob!


P.S. When I wrote "Classic form " in my mind there was a rather confused mix of Orson Wells (Othello), Antonioni and the mediterranean heritage... ::)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 24, 2015, 04:32:19 PM
Merry Christmas Rob!


P.S. When I wrote "Classic form " in my mind there was a rather confused mix of Orson Wells (Othello), Antonioni and the mediterranean heritage... ::)

Antonioni saves the rest! Well, Fellini might have been better, but any Italian will do. La Lollo would be perfect - well, taken back into the right time zone! Always thought she was pretty cool. Hell, now that I think about it, there were so many in the high days of Cinecitta...

http://www.chiarasamugheo.com/4.aspx

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: BobDavid on December 25, 2015, 11:23:14 AM
Great photo, Rob. Great subject, great framing, great tonality....

Here's a few taken yesterday. All shot with a 135mm enlarger lens.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 25, 2015, 04:52:08 PM
Thanks, Bob; looks like that enlarger lens has great possibilities. Unusual combinations often seem to work like that.

Cheers,

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 26, 2015, 05:05:19 AM
(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/500689_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on December 26, 2015, 06:37:54 AM
 Orson Wells Welles.
:)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on December 26, 2015, 11:27:40 AM
One from this afternoon
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 26, 2015, 02:23:13 PM
Chopin, eat your heart out!

Rob C

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/2814432_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 26, 2015, 02:36:45 PM
Chopin and George - eat your hearts out!

Rob C
(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/1816209_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on December 26, 2015, 06:59:02 PM
Chopin and George - eat your hearts out!

Rob C

It's the thigh high stockings...yeah that's it.

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Michael West on December 26, 2015, 08:58:14 PM
 fence of mystery

(http://i.imgur.com/vDRMdKG.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 27, 2015, 04:49:02 AM
It's the thigh high stockings...yeah that's it.

Peter

The invention of the pantihose was the ending of natural (as in non-specialist purchase) allure as provided, in daily and unassuming manner, by the stocking. There are not words to describe the loss to womankind that that single, cursed invention of comfort-before-function presented. Fully-fashioned, as in stocking if not jersey, was also a retrogressive step in that the eye-magnet of a perfectly aligned seam was relegated to memory. It's not by accident that the glamour and entertainment industries have persisted in the cult of the stocking, the seam and the belt, delightful accessories to which, before 60s madness, every young lady (and her mother) had a perfectly normal right of accession.

As I often sigh: things have definitely improved without getting at all better.

On a depressing note: the bimbo in the shot was amost certainly wearing the same unfortunate garment below her thicker layer.

As I wrote in another post this morning: hang Cartier from the ears of a pig...

I feel much happier now that I have had my little attempt to save womankind before it's too late! It still has to defeat the Manifest of the Sorority of the Ugly Sisters, but it'll come, it'll come. Generations also to come depend on it!

I checked the room temperature when I crawled out of my pit this morning, and it read 61°F; no wonder I believe myself to be freezing to death in what those not here think of as Mediterranean heat.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: John R on December 27, 2015, 06:18:47 AM
fence of mystery
Very cool Micheal, as if it was put there for you to find. Beautifully exposed to bring out the movement of the ropes and fence.

JR
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on December 27, 2015, 09:43:56 AM
The invention of the pantihose was the ending of natural (as in non-specialist purchase) allure as provided, in daily and unassuming manner, by the stocking.

Rob C


Bad news, Rob.

http://www.goldenlady.com/en/news/

P.S. I hate the tights too.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 27, 2015, 10:30:09 AM

Bad news, Rob.

http://www.goldenlady.com/en/news/

P.S. I hate the tights too.

To be fair, even they offer a brief relief, though it might be a fake:

http://www.goldenlady.com/en/Stockings-and-tights/classic-/Autoreggenti/297/2/

But, it fails to bring with it all those mysterious clips that could have trained every young pickpocket in town.

;-(

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on December 27, 2015, 12:45:26 PM
.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on December 27, 2015, 12:54:14 PM
Love it, Armand!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: John R on December 27, 2015, 01:07:02 PM
Love it, Armand!
Absolutely! Well done Armand.

JR
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on December 27, 2015, 09:08:40 PM
Thank you, it took me 9 shots to get it right in camera, as in minimal processing required to get what I wanted.
I'm attaching another version where the elements maybe go together a little better but framing doesn't feel totally right (I wanted a little more space between the lights) and focus point is slightly off from where I wanted it.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on December 27, 2015, 09:22:34 PM
First version feels just right to me, Armand.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 28, 2015, 10:43:09 AM
Window-shopping for reflections of fantastical beings.

Anybody seen Cowboys and Aliens? Don't.

Rob C
(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/9289070_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Michael West on December 28, 2015, 11:11:08 AM
Thank you, it took me 9 shots to get it right in camera, as in minimal processing required to get what I wanted.
I'm attaching another version where the elements maybe go together a little better but framing doesn't feel totally right (I wanted a little more space between the lights) and focus point is slightly off from where I wanted it.

the spacing in the first version feels right to me.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on December 28, 2015, 11:39:56 AM
Window-shopping for reflections of fantastical beings.

Anybody seen Cowboys and Aliens? Don't.

Rob C
(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/9289070_orig.jpg)
.

Hi Rob,
I have...I admit it. I'm also ashamed.  Nice shot, as expected.

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 28, 2015, 02:01:09 PM
Hi Peter,

It was on Spanish tv last night, and after watching two Bond movies earlier this season (also Spanish tv) I wanted to see Mr Craig doing something else. Now I don't.

Regarding the Siren Sisters: two shots blended together which, on reconsideration, I should have turned into b/white. There's a third one on which I'm working right now, but a bit different. May return to the 'construct' later... but I don't do that very often.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 28, 2015, 02:35:43 PM
Here's the black/white one; I think I do prefer b/white to colour, so I shall attack the 'double'.

FWIW: D200; 1.8/50 G Nikkor; Metering - Matrix; Metering - Manually set - 1/200th @ f2; Auto ISO; Manual Focussing.

Rob

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/8758782_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Michael West on December 28, 2015, 06:24:31 PM
Here's the black/white one; I think I do prefer b/white to colour, so I shall attack the 'double'.

FWIW: D200; 1.8/50 G Nikkor; Metering - Matrix; Metering - Manually set - 1/200th @ f2; Auto ISO; Manual Focussing.

Rob

 

would these represent the Mannequin ...of Man?...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 29, 2015, 04:13:10 AM
Here's the black/white one; I think I do prefer b/white to colour, so I shall attack the 'double'.

FWIW: D200; 1.8/50 G Nikkor; Metering - Matrix; Metering - Manually set - 1/200th @ f2; Auto ISO; Manual Focussing.

Rob

 

would these represent the Mannequin ...of Man?...

.........................................................


Might be, but more likely just that fiction is more fun than reality when reality means zero!

I wonder if they feel the cold? Must ask, one day... great way of starting a conversation! However, it's a bit cheap not using wigs, but this is just a local heroine, not one of the wealth¡er ones to be found in Palma...

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on December 29, 2015, 08:22:08 AM
Hi Peter,

It was on Spanish tv last night, and after watching two Bond movies earlier this season (also Spanish tv) I wanted to see Mr Craig doing something else. Now I don't.

Regarding the Siren Sisters: two shots blended together which, on reconsideration, I should have turned into b/white. There's a third one on which I'm working right now, but a bit different. May return to the 'construct' later... but I don't do that very often.

Rob C

I like color...it lends a living quality to the sisters.

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 29, 2015, 10:49:24 AM
I like color...it lends a living quality to the sisters.

Peter

This is true, Peter, but then colour denies the Draculaean touch I find so irresistible... that little bit of distance from a reality that threatens to deaden the soul of the unwary. I mean, with colour, who can tell the difference between the modern miss and window dummy (to use a word  that retailers hate, preferring mannequin)?

Life is such an unequal struggle: Atlas got off lightly - all he had to do was a bit of heavy lifting. There appears to be no record of his artistic journey, leading me to believe that he had none...

Rob C

This is a better 'protective' measure than garlic, never fails to raise the spirit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUdvSnjlrPg

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 30, 2015, 03:32:50 PM
City pavement, Palma de Mallorca.

Rob C

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/5926077_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Michael West on December 30, 2015, 11:41:14 PM
City pavement, Palma de Mallorca.

Rob C
 

aha The Cigarette Butt Of Man!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on December 31, 2015, 03:42:31 AM
City pavement, Palma de Mallorca.

Rob C
 

aha The Cigarette Butt Of Man!

........................................................

Yep, and I can't believe that I once used to smoke, too.

It started as I think it did for all my contemporaries: we thought we looked grown up. Little did any of us realise we actually looked like idiots. Hollywood has a lot of death on its hands.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Bruce Cox on December 31, 2015, 02:35:38 PM
There's Street and then there's Road.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Bruce Cox on January 01, 2016, 04:31:31 PM
This is a little more peaceful head replacement than the one I had up earlier.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on January 01, 2016, 07:29:57 PM
Charming.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Bruce Cox on January 02, 2016, 01:19:46 PM
Because they know it teases.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on January 04, 2016, 10:18:23 AM
I like color...it lends a living quality to the sisters.

I have a couple of photos where I was happy with the colour version, then happened to see it in B&W... and loved it. Then after looking at the B&W version for a bit, I looked at the colour again... and prefered it. So I think I will now have to circulate perpetually :-)

On thing I have noticed is that the colour version works "easily", whereas in the B&W, especially in the print, needs to be well lit to "pop". Logical I guess, it depends on luminance contrast so it needs illumination.

https://500px.com/photo/132922903/crypt-de-l-ange-nb-by-graham-byrnes?ctx_page=1&from=user&user_id=10643117

https://500px.com/photo/128307685/crypt-de-l-ange-by-graham-byrnes?ctx_page=2&from=user&user_id=10643117

https://500px.com/photo/133379189/ciel-de-vieux-lyon-b-w-by-graham-byrnes?ctx_page=1&from=user&user_id=10643117

https://500px.com/photo/133321989/ciel-de-vieux-lyon-by-graham-byrnes?ctx_page=1&from=user&user_id=10643117
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on January 06, 2016, 05:03:57 PM
Welcome:
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: BobDavid on January 06, 2016, 05:09:45 PM
Welcome:

Heh, heh. I like.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on January 06, 2016, 05:42:14 PM
Welcome:
All I can say is Thank You!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Michael West on January 06, 2016, 08:03:56 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/9ZxuT98.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Michael West on January 07, 2016, 01:49:11 PM
A sign of our times.

 


(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7250/13608904045_815f246fa5_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on January 07, 2016, 05:49:30 PM
In years past, hollows were made in fields, then planted with trees, to provide a suitable habitat for a fox to site its den. And all for the entertainment of the landed gentry, who wanted to chase foxes for so-called 'sport'. Known as 'coverts', the local countryside is still dotted with these sites.

You might notice (you're not looking closely enough if you don't) some bloody awful-looking signs of attempting to clear dust marks. What on earth is going on here I do not know. They're not noticeable until I upload the photo.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Michael West on January 07, 2016, 11:36:28 PM
In years past, hollows were made in fields, then planted with trees, to provide a suitable habitat for a fox to site its den. And all for the entertainment of the landed gentry, who wanted to chase foxes for so-called 'sport'. Known as 'coverts', the local countryside is still dotted with these sites.

You might notice (you're not looking closely enough if you don't) some bloody awful-looking signs of attempting to clear dust marks. What on earth is going on here I do not know. They're not noticeable until I upload the photo.

 You can see them because youve seen the image under other conditions.


I cant find..the dust spots. they may be embedded in the clouds which I could easily mistake for a part of the skys natural .."makeup".
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on January 08, 2016, 09:52:14 AM
I couldn't find them either. Perhaps they are "covert" dust spots (hiding behind the "covert.")

Nice image.

Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on January 08, 2016, 10:41:51 AM
OK. Here they are

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Michael West on January 08, 2016, 10:45:37 AM
OK. Here they are
Now they are apparent. I may be subconciously programmed to  try to ignore dust spots...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on January 08, 2016, 03:43:46 PM
Grafitti - Miami area
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on January 08, 2016, 03:46:03 PM
Graffiti - Miami area
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on January 08, 2016, 04:54:21 PM
Great set, Armand!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on January 08, 2016, 09:23:07 PM
Great set, Armand!

Thank you, these were targets of opportunity during a night walk (hence iso 6400 and/or F 1.4 on most). Quite a colorful area that was.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on January 10, 2016, 07:20:02 PM
.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on January 11, 2016, 01:26:18 PM
.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Michael West on January 11, 2016, 03:17:27 PM
.
I see halos around the tree, but I like the photograph.
 
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on January 11, 2016, 03:49:54 PM
Yeah, I noticed that. Some work to do.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Michael West on January 11, 2016, 04:30:16 PM
Yeah, I noticed that. Some work to do.

Its nicely "evocative and worth the work.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on January 11, 2016, 05:36:39 PM
Its nicely "evocative and worth the work.
I agree.


Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on January 11, 2016, 05:50:39 PM
I agree.

You mean +1? Why don't you say so!?

 ;)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Michael West on January 11, 2016, 08:38:53 PM
You mean +1? Why don't you say so!?

 ;)

+1 the minimalist's dream realized
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Michael West on January 11, 2016, 08:40:12 PM
the geometry of that shadow still mystifies s me

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on January 12, 2016, 12:11:25 AM
You mean +1? Why don't you say so!?

 ;)
I may start replying +1 to my own posts.
Wait! I already have!   ;D
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on January 12, 2016, 03:42:56 AM
+1


Er  ???
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on January 12, 2016, 12:43:59 PM
One from this afternoon's bimble

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: degrub on January 12, 2016, 12:44:44 PM
if i remember correctly, an angled light source hitting a half circle projects an ellipse on a flat surface at right angles to the half circle like is shown in the picture.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Michael West on January 12, 2016, 01:51:23 PM
if i remember correctly, an angled light source hitting a half circle projects an ellipse on a flat surface at right angles to the half circle like is shown in the picture.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Michael West on January 12, 2016, 07:25:55 PM
Yes this was photographed in The Continental U.S.A.
 
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on January 13, 2016, 05:17:27 AM
if i remember correctly, an angled light source hitting a half circle projects an ellipse on a flat surface at right angles to the half circle like is shown in the picture.

Indeed. And it's also a cool photo :-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on January 13, 2016, 05:19:32 AM
One from this morning
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Michael West on January 13, 2016, 02:02:29 PM
Indeed. And it's also a cool photo :-)

Thank you.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Michael West on January 14, 2016, 10:55:52 AM
suburban serendipity
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on January 15, 2016, 12:49:01 PM
I noticed a penchant for mannequins in this thread, so...

(http://www.slobodanblagojevic.com/img/s9/v96/p1638634725-4.jpg) (http://www.slobodanblagojevic.com/p631768190/e61ab94e5)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on January 16, 2016, 10:20:15 AM
We've got snow on Dartmoor. Not a lot, but enough. Plus wind & some great clouds. Bloody cold though.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on January 21, 2016, 11:48:43 AM
Taken last evening, a combination of Nikon 24 F1.8G and Rokinon 14 F2.8
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: chuckn on February 03, 2016, 09:17:40 PM
Drain pipe attached to old brick wall

Chuck
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: drmike on February 04, 2016, 02:19:21 AM
Nice lines and shapes Chuck.

Dare I suggest a square crop losing the right edge? I know the rail then exits the frame but I think everything becomes more taut like that. But I may well be wrong :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on February 04, 2016, 04:25:48 AM
Nice lines and shapes Chuck.

Dare I suggest a square crop losing the right edge? I know the rail then exits the frame but I think everything becomes more taut like that. But I may well be wrong :)


Nope; that's the entire point of Without Prejudice.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: drmike on February 04, 2016, 04:34:05 AM
I beg your pardon. I get muddled about the etiquette  in the various threads. We can probably delete these comments.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: pegelli on February 04, 2016, 05:34:17 AM
No prejudice, but I think it's easier to lose money in Montmartre then win it  :-\

(https://pegelli.smugmug.com/Events/Dyxum-Paris-March-2012/i-HhbFX5Q/0/O/PEG_Nex_01324_20120401.jpg) (https://pegelli.smugmug.com/Events/Dyxum-Paris-March-2012/i-HhbFX5Q/A)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on February 04, 2016, 10:22:11 AM
Nope; that's the entire point of Without Prejudice.
Rob C

This answer gives me renewed courage (or temerity ...  ::)



Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on February 04, 2016, 11:55:30 AM
I beg your pardon. I get muddled about the etiquette  in the various threads. We can probably delete these comments.

No problem; I hate to appear despotic, but it's just that some people, myself included, don't really enjoy other people telling us what we 'should' have done, which is what 'critique' usually presupposes people are seeking.

In my own case, I did (and still do) photography for the buzz that what I do gives me; if others like it too, great, but my opinion's what, for me, it's all about. And clearly, by the number of posts this thread has had, I'm not alone in that wish for self-satisfaction/fulfilment

Obviously (I hope!) that doesn't preclude all other forms of comment, which as long as they don't get into the 'instructional' zone, are fine. Nobody has to love shots here; a mutual admiration society is boring.

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: drmike on February 04, 2016, 12:16:01 PM
I would never tell anyone what they 'should' do just what they might like to explore. When it comes down to it I don't really care two hoots what they do and do not do. But I take your point. I'm the same, I shoot what I like and if others enjoy too that's a bonus. That said I always welcome suggestions - well polite ones.

But I will of course abide by the conventions of this thread :)

Mike
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on February 04, 2016, 01:11:49 PM
This answer gives me renewed courage (or temerity ...  ::)
I think Rob would allow me to say "I like it."

But if I started to say something like "Of course it might be better if you...." then I would worry about the state of my kneecaps.

It is very liberating to have a "critique-free zone" like this.

-Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on February 04, 2016, 05:53:17 PM
I think Rob would allow me to say "I like it."

But if I started to say something like "Of course it might be better if you...." then I would worry about the state of my kneecaps.

It is very liberating to have a "critique-free zone" like this.

-Eric

BTW Eric, I have meniscus problems (I wear knee pads when I go around to shoot). Particularly when I shoot macro, I risk to come back home by the Helicopter...(when - rarely - there is field for the cell phone). Hopefully not a Swiss helicopter, they charge you for the rescue not less than 10000 euros ...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on February 04, 2016, 06:18:35 PM
Karma was kind to me last night: after volunteering to model for some friends, I was asked to photograph a concert: everything was laid on, the pianist was gorgeous and had been painted by one of her artist friends. All I had to do was get the exposure basically right and not shake too much...

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on February 05, 2016, 04:42:36 AM
Karma was kind to me last night: after volunteering to model for some friends, I was asked to photograph a concert: everything was laid on, the pianist was gorgeous and had been painted by one of her artist friends. All I had to do was get the exposure basically right and not shake too much...


Very nice portraits!

I also like the mood you get with those straight lines conrasting with humanity.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on February 05, 2016, 09:41:43 AM
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on February 05, 2016, 10:47:00 AM
I like the unusual composition, Bill. Well balanced.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on February 05, 2016, 11:46:15 AM
Thanks. It's one of those times when only a square format seemed to work, so the crop was decided before I took the photograph.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on February 05, 2016, 01:53:22 PM
I like the unusual composition, Bill. Well balanced.
+1.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on February 08, 2016, 04:34:36 AM
Something Hopper-esque...

(It's also a cat photo, he's asleep inside the clothes basket)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on February 08, 2016, 10:34:54 AM
Something Hopper-esque...

(It's also a cat photo, he's asleep inside the clothes basket)

Great disposition of shapes/colour. Not as easily found as folks might think.

Colours for hanging out of windows?

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on February 08, 2016, 01:31:57 PM
Yes, very nice one, Graham.

It's also the most subtle cat photo I've ever seen.   ;)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on February 08, 2016, 03:00:39 PM
Two different views of the White Moor stone circle on Dartmoor
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on February 08, 2016, 03:05:55 PM

Colours for hanging out of windows?


Complete accident. A red t-shirt, a white polypro thermal top for cycling, blue leggings for same. Back to front relative to the flag, but in the right orientation  ;)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: kikashi on February 09, 2016, 02:36:38 PM
Taken last evening, a combination of Nikon 24 F1.8G and Rokinon 14 F2.8

Fantastic sky in the first one!

Jeremy
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on February 13, 2016, 04:34:20 PM
Window-shoppìng for something that's not there.

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/7266592_orig.jpg)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on February 13, 2016, 05:16:43 PM
This being Without Prejudice, I can't tell you how much I like that one, Rob. So I won't.  :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on February 14, 2016, 12:15:27 AM
This being Without Prejudice, I can't tell you how much I like that one, Rob. So I won't.  :)
+1.   ;)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: BobDavid on February 14, 2016, 10:46:22 AM
+2 Rob; excellent photo.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on February 14, 2016, 12:28:48 PM
Thanks, guys; I quite enjoy this kind of thing, gives me something to do that's more interesting to me than my navel, the various contours of which are far too familiar to me already.

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on February 14, 2016, 01:18:29 PM
That might be a good title for an exhibit: "Substitutes for my Navel."   ;)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on February 15, 2016, 07:37:31 AM
Another concert, same pianist. This one was complicated by the lighting tech going missing, so some guy rustled up at the last minute came and made random movements of the sliders... I was shooting manually at 3200iso, somewhere between f/5.6 & 1/90 and f/2.8 & 1/6, with a 70-200, an APC sensor and a monopod...

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on February 15, 2016, 09:21:05 AM
The second one is alarming: did she fall off her stool or was she trying for a Jerry Lee Lewis thing and slipped? Not all of us can lift out feet to keyboard height and get away with it. Now she knows.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on February 15, 2016, 09:38:27 AM
She was also plucking the strings directly with her right hand, below the keyboard. There were various things attached down there, ranging from wooden clothes-pegs to 1/4" cup-hooks bolted through the string-pairs, with bits of putty attached to tune them. All in the spirit of John Cage and his prepared piano works. There was also a stage when one of the dancer/singers crawled between her legs, a bit of a Harvey Keitel / Holly Hunter moment from The Piano...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on February 15, 2016, 11:37:22 AM
She was also plucking the strings directly with her right hand, below the keyboard. There were various things attached down there, ranging from wooden clothes-pegs to 1/4" cup-hooks bolted through the string-pairs, with bits of putty attached to tune them. All in the spirit of John Cage and his prepared piano works. There was also a stage when one of the dancer/singers crawled between her legs, a bit of a Harvey Keitel / Holly Hunter moment from The Piano...


This would never happen in Puerto Pollensa!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: kikashi on February 15, 2016, 02:45:31 PM
She was also plucking the strings directly with her right hand, below the keyboard. There were various things attached down there, ranging from wooden clothes-pegs to 1/4" cup-hooks bolted through the string-pairs, with bits of putty attached to tune them. All in the spirit of John Cage and his prepared piano works. There was also a stage when one of the dancer/singers crawled between her legs, a bit of a Harvey Keitel / Holly Hunter moment from The Piano...

In that case, I'm glad I can look at the photographs without having to listen. The only thing Cage wrote that's ever appealed to me is 4'33".

Jeremy
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on February 15, 2016, 03:18:00 PM
(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/1552889_orig.jpg)

Or Four Birds.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on February 15, 2016, 03:38:38 PM
Or four Easter Island statues.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on February 15, 2016, 05:04:07 PM
Or four Easter Island statues.
Both interpretations work.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on February 15, 2016, 05:21:12 PM
Isn't art wonderful?

If we only but knew what it was or, for the pedants, is.

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on February 17, 2016, 08:03:00 AM
Isn't art wonderful?

If we only but knew what it was or, for the pedants, is.

;-)

Rob

It is musical...

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on February 19, 2016, 06:29:30 AM
Off-season.

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/5994768_orig.jpg)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on February 19, 2016, 06:59:33 AM
Off-season.

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/5994768_orig.jpg)

Rob
Rob,
You capture bittersweet wonderfully...

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on February 19, 2016, 08:39:27 AM
Rob,
You capture bittersweet wonderfully...

Peter
+1.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Mjollnir on February 19, 2016, 10:03:17 AM
Shot well before I knew what I was doing, with my first interchangeable lens camera ever.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7158/6754927131_9fe20d6c81_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/bhULuT)Power Plant in Valley Haze, Huron, CA, Redo (https://flic.kr/p/bhULuT) by tanngrisnir3 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on February 19, 2016, 10:30:06 AM
+1.


Thanks, Eric and Peter; I'm afraid it comes easily - the problem is avoiding it!

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on February 19, 2016, 02:31:36 PM

Thanks, Eric and Peter; I'm afraid it comes easily - the problem is avoiding it!

Rob
As long as you can still sometimes find the sweet and not only the bitter, you'll be OK.

Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on February 19, 2016, 02:54:20 PM
As long as you can still sometimes find the sweet and not only the bitter, you'll be OK.

Eric

Fingers crossed!

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on February 19, 2016, 02:57:08 PM
Mjollnir, you may not have known 'what you were doing' but you did it well anyhow!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on February 19, 2016, 04:50:51 PM
Another cheerful pick-me-up...

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/9980996_orig.jpg)

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on February 19, 2016, 05:30:53 PM
Mjollnir, you may not have known 'what you were doing' but you did it well anyhow!

Rob C
+1.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on February 21, 2016, 11:26:29 AM
Bad circulation makes my winter fingers a bit uncomfortable - well, more than a soupçon cold and unresponsive - much as my toes at night. That means that I'm often to be found wearing gloves when mere mortals continue life as if nothing were amiss. An example of this was lunchtime, Friday: in my pockets I hid a pair of those gloves without fingertips so that I could wield the knife and fork, and for the street I had the full-duty alternative. I'm serious here: bad circ. can make simple tools, as mentioned, feel dangerously out of control, and as bad, physically painful. Clearly, fighting a camera is not one of those things called a priority.

I give you this amazing information not gratuitously, but because I want to explain, if only to myself, why I may be running short of fresh imagery these past few days. Forewarned is supposedly forearmed (again, not physically as in bones,) and so that's why I'm rolling out my little red carpet to Memory Lane.

A print of a shot made in the days when one could access the field in front of my place. It was a Nikkor 4.5/300 IFED wot shot the tree, which is actually quite crisp, an amazing feat as the focussing ring was far too slack, and even the act of letting it go was enough to shift focus... It was printed on a very cheap Epson office letter printer, and I was never able to match the colours when I eventually got my eventually deceased HP B9180; oddly, it still hasn't faded, in that I can still see it perfectly well, but it might have changed colour a few times. I didn't need gloves when I shot the thing as picture-on-wall. Obviously, it wasn't winter.

;-)

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/2908109_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on February 24, 2016, 11:18:43 AM
Ah, meta-photography, I like :-)


Which reminds me, my mobile phone photo of a man taking a photo of a painting of a photographer shooting a wedding... from Fine Arts Museum in Lyon
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on February 24, 2016, 03:33:30 PM
Ah, meta-photography, I like :-)


Which reminds me, my mobile phone photo of a man taking a photo of a painting of a photographer shooting a wedding... from Fine Arts Museum in Lyon


Cool! Like that kinda cookie stuff too, as you see.

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on February 26, 2016, 09:40:59 AM
Inspired by Fats:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2ZOxzsBE8A&index=5&list=RDkjMU5_O8-vo

The shot, I mean.

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/5509718_orig.jpg)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on February 29, 2016, 03:04:54 AM
More feet...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: drmike on February 29, 2016, 03:20:26 AM
I went to a Saul Leiter exhibition in London and apart from being very impressed I was surprised by how many disembodied legs appeared in the photographs. I think it's still on in the Photographers' Gallery, free entry before noon.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on February 29, 2016, 03:51:27 AM
He seemed like a very unassuming man... perhaps he shared my reluctance to aim a camera at strangers faces ?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: drmike on February 29, 2016, 03:54:45 AM
I think it's more probable that you both see patterns and interesting juxtapositions in these legs.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on February 29, 2016, 04:25:08 AM
I don't think I'd dare compare myself to Saul Leiter in that way :-)

Thanks for the tip on the exhibition, haven't been to London for a bit...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: drmike on February 29, 2016, 04:27:01 AM
I see my son from time to time and try to get the PG ideally before noon but it's only 3 quid anyway. Always something interesting IME.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on February 29, 2016, 08:31:08 AM
I don't think I'd dare compare myself to Saul Leiter in that way :-)

Thanks for the tip on the exhibition, haven't been to London for a bit...


I don't see Saul as surrealist; I see him as a guy with an eye for beauty wherever he was able to find it.

I see myself as totally lost; fish out if water. I know what I like, sometimes it finds me, but control? Not on your life! Other than in commercial, but that's something usually else - even historical, in fact!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on February 29, 2016, 08:34:36 AM
The power of advertising touches us, even where it's not trying to score.
(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/4628854_orig.jpg)
Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on February 29, 2016, 10:10:33 AM
I see myself as totally lost; fish out if water. I know what I like, sometimes it finds me, but control? Not on your life!

I rather liked a blog entry on The Online Photographer the other day, wherein he launched an attack on previsualisation and lauded the role of chance. I'm sure someone has called this Creative Chaos and added a TM to it...

In fact that's how I see the work of HCB : having a finely tuned intuition for what will happen, the reflexes and anticipation to often be in a position to capture it, and so increasing the odds that among the vast number of photographs he made, some masterpieces happened. Hence my rather ill-tempered response to the front page article suggesting that somehow he already knew what he was going to photograph, together with its Jungian interpretations and literary references, so he just had to wait until the pieces all arranged themselves in front of his Leica and he was able to press the button and shout "Voilà, ça y est !"
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on February 29, 2016, 02:27:06 PM
B&W - Dow Crag (originally, and still properly pronounced 'Doe Crag'), from just below Buck Pike, English Lake District.

Col - The view from Buck Pike towards Brown Pike & the sun glinting off the Duddon Estuary, English Lake District.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: pegelli on February 29, 2016, 02:28:59 PM
Sometimes when I have no real camera with me my phone has to do the honours

(https://pegelli.smugmug.com/Other/201508/i-mnv5B4H/0/O/20150805_205909_b.jpg) (https://pegelli.smugmug.com/Other/201508/i-mnv5B4H/A)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on February 29, 2016, 02:42:47 PM
I rather liked a blog entry on The Online Photographer the other day, wherein he launched an attack on previsualisation and lauded the role of chance. I'm sure someone has called this Creative Chaos and added a TM to it...



I really like that, Graham; might even start to bandy it about should people be rash enough to ask me about my approach to 'concepts' and stuff! Creative Chaos, hmm.. I like that very much. At least, it's not an "ism"!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on February 29, 2016, 04:30:20 PM
Ah, as suspected:

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-creative-chaos.htm

Anyway, sometimes I overcome my reluctance to snap unknown people, especially if the inconnue is belle :

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 01, 2016, 09:16:11 AM
As ever, cherchez la femme! (It keeps one of a healthy mind.)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 01, 2016, 09:40:22 AM
On the theme of cherching those femmes:
(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/9439237_orig.jpg)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on March 02, 2016, 07:41:28 AM
On the theme of cherching those femmes:
Rob

Rob, This is so delightfully unsettling...

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on March 02, 2016, 08:38:03 AM
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on March 02, 2016, 08:46:44 AM
.

Bill, You could have easily titled this the "Face of Man".

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 02, 2016, 09:15:51 AM
Bill, You could have easily titled this the "Face of Man".

Peter

Reclining Man?

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 02, 2016, 09:20:28 AM
Rob, This is so delightfully unsettling...

Peter


Thanks, but I almost gave up on it at first; it did offer something graphic (both senses) in the flesh, but looked absolutely flat straight out of Nikon's Capture. In extremis... get cookin' and turn up the heat!

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on March 02, 2016, 09:42:36 AM
The face of man? Are we talking pareidolia, or am I missing something?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on March 02, 2016, 09:52:20 AM
You are missing the lying (horizontal) face. It's forehead starts at the tree and extends to the right into a nose. Much easier to see in a thumbnail.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on March 02, 2016, 10:16:05 AM
Got it. Thanks
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Bruce Cox on March 02, 2016, 01:24:44 PM
man too
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 04, 2016, 11:49:37 AM
Thank God for Rock'n'Roll!

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/4977963_orig.jpg)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on March 04, 2016, 12:13:40 PM
Look, a landscape!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 04, 2016, 12:51:40 PM
Look, a landscape!


But, but, there's nobody jumping!

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on March 04, 2016, 08:30:30 PM

But, but, there's nobody jumping!

;-)

Rob C
That's easily fixed in Photoshop.   ;D

Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: kencameron on March 05, 2016, 05:11:11 PM
Suburbs and Skyscape
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 06, 2016, 01:38:03 PM
Mixing history with stock and reflecting on the consequences.
Some gardening might have been in order; perhaps not the most pressing thing on the Tourist Board's collective mind.

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/5280550_orig.jpg)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on March 06, 2016, 04:27:05 PM
Today it snowed in Lyon, for about 5 mins...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on March 06, 2016, 04:36:04 PM
...which made people hungry, I guess...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 07, 2016, 04:19:47 AM
That girl with the pram needs a meal.

Rob

P.S.

If you reduce your pix' width a smidgen I won't have to scroll... and lose the effect.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on March 07, 2016, 01:08:21 PM
Kennedy Space Center
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on March 07, 2016, 07:03:40 PM
His master's voice:
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 09, 2016, 04:14:15 AM
But did the dog sing, Slobodan?

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 09, 2016, 04:21:59 AM
I sometimes think that a cellphone is the best damned thing we have. Other times I hate it because it's a lottery: can't even see what the blessed image is when I'm outside.

I wonder if the best compromise is one of those point 'n' shoots. I mean, after all, if I have no intentions of printing again, and I do like 'grain'... Did P'n'S cameras have accurate viewfinders?

Rob C

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/2106902_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 09, 2016, 11:16:46 AM
Buy a P'n'S camera with an electronic viewfinder and you'll see what the sensor sees ;-)

Hi Keith,

But aren't those things to stick into accessory shoes, and only for expensive versions of P'n'S like the little Leica X range? I'm thinking of something totally under 500 quid or so. A useable toy. I wouldn't dump either of my Nikons - it's just for a walkabout which neither of the Niks really is - too damned bulky.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: degrub on March 09, 2016, 01:31:48 PM
One option might be a used Olympus e-pm2 with the kit 14-42. About 200 USD. Decent sensor. Small and light. If you need a higher resolution evf, a vf400 evf on the flash shoe. About 150 USD used. You can also put almost any other manual focus capable lens on it with adapter. 50mm or longer best to avoid light ray angle issues with the sensor microlenses. 2X crop factor on FOV.

Frank
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 09, 2016, 03:21:49 PM
Frank, Keith:

Thanks for your input - lot's to look at and think about there.

What would be cool wold be a digital version of the original, tiny Minox spy camera! Now that would really fit into a shirt pocket! And cost more than the Leica ones, no doubt.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on March 09, 2016, 04:10:14 PM
Hmm, almost in synchrony with Rob's post, one of my friends posted this, shot in the car wash :)

I'm not sure the video adds much, I'd have kept the first frame (oops, that was a prejudicial comment, sorry!)

https://www.instagram.com/p/BCuDEQ9u6jF/
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on March 09, 2016, 04:14:37 PM
I sometimes think that a cellphone is the best damned thing we have. Other times I hate it because it's a lottery: can't even see what the blessed image is when I'm outside.

The problem I have is that for whatever bizarre reason, I'm incapable of getting the horizon level when using my cell phone. But it's the biggest camera I'm ever going to take on a 100+ km bicycle ride, so...

Rob: I'll try changing my export setting down to 600x900, hopefully that will work better.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on March 10, 2016, 01:46:22 AM
Rob, my local London Camera Centre has a Fujifilm X100s for about £500
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: brianrybolt on March 10, 2016, 04:51:41 AM
Rob, my local London Camera Centre has a Fujifilm X100s for about £500

I believe it's London Camera Exchange, not Centre.
Brian
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on March 10, 2016, 11:11:21 AM
You're right. Exchange. We used to have a Taunton Camera Centre, but that's now long gone.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Arlen on March 10, 2016, 06:05:04 PM
Rob, the Sony RX100 is arguably the best "pocketable"--even if only in a rather large pocket--camera out there. I have the original "mark I" version, and have loved it for both its convenience and high image quality. The more recent "mark III" and "mark IV" versions have built-in, popup EVF finders, though I haven't personally looked through them. If you search for Sony RX100 here on LuLa forums, you will find a lot of positive testimonials. The biggest downside to this camera is that it's not cheap; maybe the most expensive in its category.

RX100 IV review at DPReview (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-cybershot-dsc-rx100-iv)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: degrub on March 10, 2016, 07:01:32 PM
Maybe used.....
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/590456-USA/Minox_60651_DSC_Digital_Spy.html

Frank
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 11, 2016, 09:55:35 AM
Maybe used.....
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/590456-USA/Minox_60651_DSC_Digital_Spy.html

Frank



Live and learn!

I thought that Minox had long died, victim of its own tiny film format!

Today I decided to brave the current gales - at least it's not raining today - and do the regulation walk I'm supposed to perform every day. Well, I'd bought a VND filter some months ago and only tried it once, with no luck at all - and promptly forgot about it. Then, I recently saw again some work by our South Africa contributor Riaan, and today the filter was back outside its case.

Fitted to the 24mm on the D200, stopped down to f22, not a care in the world about diffraction etc. and focus set once and for all via DOF scale, I shot around the sea edges and have yet to find out the truth/value (if any) of my efforts. But here's the thing: the feeling of the exercise was worth its weight in fools(?) gold! Back home, I've wiped off the salt, feel perfectly confident in the innards working okay next time, and realised yet again that it's not the camera, stupid, it's how your head's working at the time.

Guess that means I just stay with what I have, and get on with it. Weight's one thing, but so's mental attitude, as Mrs Ringo Starr told 007 some years ago.

Nonetheless, thank you all for your ideas and suggestions: I now know a lot more about other cameras than I did!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 11, 2016, 11:52:33 AM
Well, a new departure that I hope isn't a brake. (Probably only for older US readers...)

;-)

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/1940056_orig.jpg)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on March 12, 2016, 05:22:34 AM
Definitely at least two million quid :-)

I think one problem of the Euro is that it still doesn't have a consistent slang term like "buck" or "quid". It will be difficult across so many cultures. The French occasionally call it the "roro" (pronounced row-row).

Anyway, another shot from last weekend's after the brief snow walk, in the new 600x900 format...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on March 12, 2016, 09:57:39 AM
Well, a new departure that I hope isn't a brake. (Probably only for older US readers...)

;-)

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/1940056_orig.jpg)

Rob C
I love your new departure, Rob.

But be careful: You just may be unintentionally teaching some of us how to be creative.  ;)

This reminds me of a comment by a famous landscape photographer that I took a workshop from a many years ago. It took me a long time (decades) before I realized that his comment really held the essence of creativity in photography, in one word:

 "Look!"


-Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 12, 2016, 10:09:29 AM
Definitely at least two million quid :-)

I think one problem of the Euro is that it still doesn't have a consistent slang term like "buck" or "quid". It will be difficult across so many cultures. The French occasionally call it the "roro" (pronounced row-row).

Anyway, another shot from last weekend's after the brief snow walk, in the new 600x900 format...


Hi Graham,

Yes, it's easier now - just - for my little LaCie 319 to get a full vertical; I'm sure horizontals will be just perfect. Thank you for caring enough to change!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 12, 2016, 10:17:15 AM
I love your new departure, Rob.

But be careful: You just may be unintentionally teaching some of us how to be creative.  ;)

This reminds me of a comment by a famous landscape photographer that I took a workshop from a many years ago. It took me a long time (decades) before I realized that his comment really held the essence of creativity in photography, in one word:

 "Look!"


-Eric

One thing I've recently discovered is that when something looks intriguing in another, quite different photographic idiom to the one(s) that one happens to like, it's fairly simple to adapt it to suit one's own interests.

I used to worry somewhat about being derivative, but then I realised that even the cats I though great were also basing their stuff on the shoulders of past giants. In mitigation, I don't think anyone can be so close to another's point of view as to acually copy them - unless they set out to do exactly the same shot - so perhaps these have been worthless concerns. At the end of the day, you can only bring yourself to the table. Thank goodness! Were it otherwise, we might all as well sell up.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on March 12, 2016, 06:28:39 PM
The Hercules of Palazzo Buonaccorsi, Macerata
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on March 12, 2016, 10:28:13 PM
frozen cacti
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on March 13, 2016, 10:35:41 AM
Melting ice.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: kikashi on March 13, 2016, 02:05:29 PM
Melting ice.

The first is beautiful.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on March 13, 2016, 11:48:37 PM
The first is beautiful.

Jeremy
+1.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on March 14, 2016, 04:51:14 AM
Thanks for the feedback!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Harald L on March 14, 2016, 10:09:51 AM
Twice holds better

A recent evening walk in Berlin led me unexpectedly alongside a prison. A good example of how the Fuji X-Pro2 works in low light conditions (ISO 12.800, ACROS-SW-Simulation)

(http://v3.harlempix.com/wp-content/gallery/myxp-city/DSCF0386.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 14, 2016, 06:10:23 PM
Twice might hold better but will it be enough? Check out the getaway scooter!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on March 14, 2016, 09:45:31 PM
parking lot
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 16, 2016, 05:22:22 AM
Wot's cookin'?

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/2384605_orig.jpg)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on March 16, 2016, 06:31:23 AM
Olive oil
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 16, 2016, 07:25:01 AM
I like that; remember, though, the guy with the mighty forearms is crazy.

Rob

P.S.

I see your tiles are as 'artistically' fitted as mine. As with so many things, the artisanal arts have gone with the last, pre-tourism generations.

P.P.S.

I recall suggesting folks look around the house, if they feel there's nothing to shoot; always is.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on March 16, 2016, 08:58:17 AM
I like that; remember, though, the guy with the mighty forearms is crazy.

Rob

P.S.

I see your tiles are as 'artistically' fitted as mine. As with so many things, the artisanal arts have gone with the last, pre-tourism generations.

P.P.S.

I recall suggesting folks look around the house, if they feel there's nothing to shoot; always is.
Raises the question: Can you mix oil and water? Or Olive Oil and Hot Water?
I guess the guy with the mighty forearms probably could.   ;)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 16, 2016, 10:00:40 AM
Raises the question: Can you mix oil and water? Or Olive Oil and Hot Water?
I guess the guy with the mighty forearms probably could.   ;)

And if you mixed it with Olive, you were in hot water already. The question would then be: which sort of hot water' Psychological or physical?

Ah, philosophy. No wonder it turns one to stone.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Harald L on March 16, 2016, 10:36:41 AM
Raises the question: Can you mix oil and water? Or Olive Oil and Hot Water?
I guess the guy with the mighty forearms probably could.   ;)

You can. High voltage electricians know that procedure as Spratz-Test. You may experience impressive results.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on March 16, 2016, 05:45:55 PM
Met with an actor friend on the weekend, went to the station and played film noir...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Harald L on March 17, 2016, 05:03:43 AM
Watching Porn

(http://v3.harlempix.com/wp-content/gallery/artsy/DSCF0423.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on March 17, 2016, 08:18:00 AM
I rather liked a blog entry on The Online Photographer the other day, wherein he launched an attack on previsualisation and lauded the role of chance.

I just discovered that this was not on The Online Photographer, but elsewhere. So in order to put the world to rights:

http://blog.kasson.com/?page_id=1858
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on March 17, 2016, 08:44:04 AM
Street Corner Soak...

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 17, 2016, 10:21:18 AM
Street Corner Soak...

Peter

Yet again you give me the unsettling urge to forsake my life in the sticks...

Great mood; reminds me of the HC-B shot of Alberto Giacometti crossing the street, huddled in his coat against the weather. Now were your model Debbie Harry, your shot would be as immortal as HC-B's too. Isn't life a bit of a bitch? FWIW, I'd rather have shot Debbie (photographically, that is) than Alberto.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 17, 2016, 10:48:29 AM
I just discovered that this was not on The Online Photographer, but elsewhere. So in order to put the world to rights:

http://blog.kasson.com/?page_id=1858


Thank you for the link: provided good reading between courses today at the diner! (What a wonderful difference that buying a new battery did for my cellphone 'experience', as these things are now described!)

But again, it underscores the gulf between am. and pro. thought: I can't remember being posessed of these 'previs' obsessions at any stage during the many years I had to earn my risky crust via a camera. Come to think of it, and thinking takes a lot out of me sometimes - the only period when such a thought has arisen, vis-á-vis photography, has been since my time here on LuLa. It used to be a simple, automatic process of just getting on with the job in hand. I fail to see why the am. finds that difficult to understand - unless it goes even deeper, and right down to the Terry Donovan quotation I promised not to quote again, and provides an excuse for not actually doing anything much, because there isn't really anything very much that one needs to photograph. I find that every day now, and defeat it by changing technique/focal length periods; for example, I have recently moved from shooting through smears of Vaseline to doing much the same through a VND filter. Passes the time otherwise inevitably spent on the navel. That neither activity brings in a dime matter not a jot: I need far more than a dime to see much betterment in my daily grind.

But I guess this preoccupation is a product of far too many pundits 'proving' themselves at the cost of their respective audience.

One meets some interesting characters online.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 17, 2016, 11:03:12 AM
Would it have been easier to make this with black or with white crayons, assuming one had choice of colour of support?

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/2247603_orig.jpg)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 18, 2016, 12:09:24 PM
United Colours of Tourism.

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/8589406_orig.jpg)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on March 18, 2016, 12:45:18 PM
Isn't life a bit of a bitch?

An EPIC Understatement...

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on March 18, 2016, 01:06:56 PM
United Colours of Tourism...

Texas cowboy hats - Brokeback Mountain Special Edition:

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 18, 2016, 03:33:35 PM
Texas cowboy hats - Brokeback Mountain Special Edition:


I wouldn't dare! Even though I've now sort of self-banned the bandana because of the sun.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 18, 2016, 03:44:09 PM
Another from after lunch. Boy, is it still cold here!

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/3394714_orig.jpg)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on March 18, 2016, 08:22:34 PM
A barbecue joint in Texas:
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: BobDavid on March 19, 2016, 12:29:30 AM
A barbecue joint in Texas:

Tromp l'oeil and more.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on March 19, 2016, 09:41:17 AM
A barbecue joint in Texas:
The clouds seem to be trying to imitate Rob C's "Swingin Blue."   ;)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 19, 2016, 10:18:26 AM
And I thought I was witnessing a bad accident in Cuba!

Did you know that American cars remained functional there because Russia supplied all the "American" engine parts from their own, USSR factories? That, from the horse's mouth. I believe him.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 19, 2016, 10:22:10 AM
Sailing cats.

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/3577386_orig.jpg)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on March 19, 2016, 02:00:45 PM
Love the sail (Rob's yacht-envy-denial slipping out?  :P )

Here's another from my brief snow series...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on March 19, 2016, 02:02:54 PM
And a local:
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 19, 2016, 03:47:41 PM
Great shot - thought you'd caught Sarah Moon!

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 19, 2016, 04:02:23 PM
Love the sail (Rob's yacht-envy-denial slipping out?  :P )

Here's another from my brief snow series...

Great balance!

Regarding the boats: yep, part of the original escape plan was to sell the house in Scotland and buy a boat, live in that and tour the Med doing this'n'that until we got bored, then move on to the next idyllic spot. We, I write, but the idea was wholly mine: fortunately 'she' refused to accept a boat, but as long as we reinvested in bricks... so that's what happened. Thank God! I'd have gone broke within two years; no idea just how much the things cost to run, even if you don't move an inch from a mooring. Ironically, after a year or two here we were offered life membership of the local yacht club for 240 quid... as I had abandoned the boat idea the offer wasn't taken up, largely because the club - a new one - had yet to be built, and 'expert' advice said it would be a disaster. Today, you have to stump up twenty-two grand (in pounds) to get membership, and there's a waiting list. Idiot! I could have bought a mooring in it and lived off renting that out to an actual boat owner! Hindsight; experts.

Now, I wouldn't own a yacht even if I won the lottery - honestly wouldn't want one. I feel the same about large cars.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 20, 2016, 11:17:47 AM
Father Figure.

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/4042714_orig.jpg)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on March 20, 2016, 12:53:03 PM
Hal he is...

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on March 21, 2016, 06:51:26 AM
Some colour, just to change my habits. My favourite café has red blankets available to keep their terrace customers warm in early spring conditions...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 21, 2016, 11:26:23 AM
Nice touch with these things, Graham. I quite enjoy forms of street where people are not necessarily included. The peripherals to street life are quite interesting in their own right. Must be Leiter tugging my strings!

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on March 21, 2016, 11:53:40 AM
Yep, Saul's work has been inspiring me lately, if that's not too grand a word  ;)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 21, 2016, 04:30:15 PM
Yep, Saul's work has been inspiring me lately, if that's not too grand a word  ;)


That's my situation too, ever since I rediscovered him a year or so ago!

And here's a distinction I make: I don't believe I have been influenced by other photographers, but I sure know that I have been inspired by many!

Same difference? I think not. I began to dabble in fashion in '66, as soon as I went out on my own. I already knew all about David Bailey and thought him the bee's knees; however, copying wasn't going to happen: different type of clothes to work with, different models, different budgets (vastly!) and location possibilities. Same when Sarah Moon popped up a few years later: loved her, and still do, to bits! But again, working in different worlds and ambiences. She claims hardly ever to leave Paris for work locations; I never worked there, sadly enough. Saul Leiter is the same: the stuff I love is all yellow cabs, red umbrellas and condensation-drenched windows. A world away from Mallorca. But, in the case of these photographers I admire, they have vision and appear to be able to make something out of pretty much anything that's available. That, is photographic creativity, where you can't just imagine a shot, but have to have a 'something' right in front of the camera and work with it to get where you have to go. I also love the work of Hans Feurer; apparently so simple: just put on a very long lens and shoot against the light. Yeah, right! Try it first with anybody out of your provincial model agency, no hair/make-up experts to design the model, stylists to dress her up in a fantasy look, and see where it gets you!

I think the greatest contribution these 'stars' make is this: they let you know that it is possible to do more than you ever imagined was feasible. They let you believe in infinity.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2 / Une Bise
Post by: Patricia Sheley on March 21, 2016, 04:54:42 PM
~une bise...(edit/modify image size)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on March 21, 2016, 08:18:13 PM
I especially like the two small foreground clouds chasing each other.
I don't think Stieglitz got one quite like this.  ;)

-Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Patricia Sheley on March 21, 2016, 09:43:39 PM
@Eric,
...he'd forgotten his Cphone that day for note-taking.   :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: drmike on March 22, 2016, 03:36:52 AM

I think the greatest contribution these 'stars' make is this: they let you know that it is possible to do more than you ever imagined was feasible. They let you believe in infinity.

Rob

I totally agree, their work encourages you to keep trying to develop your own work/style rather than give you examples of what to emulate.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 22, 2016, 05:48:12 AM
About all the exercise I need am willing (capable of?) to undertake!

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/7405571_orig.jpg)

Now technically, could this be a tricycle? Not as I understood the term when I think I remember having one.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on March 22, 2016, 12:28:50 PM
About all the exercise I need am willing (capable of?) to undertake!

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/7405571_orig.jpg)

Now technically, could this be a tricycle? Not as I understood the term when I think I remember having one.

Rob
Not a tricycle, Rob. That would need three wheels. The essence of your image is, I think, captured in the old song (slightly edited to improve the rhymes):

"Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer free.
I'm half crazy, all for the love of thee.
It won't be a stylish marriage,
I can't afford a carriage.
But you look neat
Upon the seat
of a bicycle built for three!"

-Eric

P.S. I like it.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 22, 2016, 03:31:12 PM
Not a tricycle, Rob. That would need three wheels. The essence of your image is, I think, captured in the old song (slightly edited to improve the rhymes):

"Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer free.
I'm half crazy, all for the love of thee.
It won't be a stylish marriage,
I can't afford a carriage.
But you look neat
Upon the seat
of a bicycle built for three!"

-Eric

P.S. I like it.


Indeed, I like it too: a great adaptation if not a final solution to the question.

Final solutions are also being sought for the stuff just gone down in Brussels. I think Trump was right all along; you know, crazy like a fox?

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on March 22, 2016, 04:57:18 PM
bottoms up
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on March 27, 2016, 05:35:25 PM
Colors of music:
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on March 28, 2016, 04:56:22 PM
Wet & windy here today
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 29, 2016, 10:04:40 AM
Managed it at last: everyone's goal!

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/3367786_orig.jpg)

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on March 29, 2016, 12:41:03 PM
Ansel couldn't have done it better.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on March 29, 2016, 02:32:10 PM
Ansel couldn't have done it better.

I know, I know; just too modest to admit it in public.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on March 29, 2016, 10:10:48 PM
fire
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: razrblck on March 30, 2016, 10:07:04 AM
This thread is great, I might contribute as well.

A series of greens.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on April 03, 2016, 02:56:58 PM
Two from a recent walk through Chicago. The second one is more a political statement: McDonald's and Trump, rags to riches, 99+1 = one nation under...Trump? 😀

P.S. For those not familiar with Chicago, the building in the middle is the Trump Tower.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on April 03, 2016, 03:49:52 PM
Did some shots today with a young actor friend, for her book. This one I rather liked
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on April 03, 2016, 05:32:13 PM
À propos of not a lot in particular, but probably inspired by recent events on the news:

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/4397003_orig.jpg)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on April 03, 2016, 05:34:31 PM
Did some shots today with a young actor friend, for her book. This one I rather liked

Can't fool me: it's an actress!

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on April 03, 2016, 06:03:23 PM
Can't fool me: it's an actress!

;-)

Rob C
I guess it takes an experienced pro to tell the difference.   ;)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on April 04, 2016, 04:32:45 AM
I guess it takes an experienced pro to tell the difference.   ;)


All you need is love a good Dick Tracy kit! With that, I am able to see anyone who commits a crime as if they live in a world made of glass. I marvel at these pre-digital techno-wonders.

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on April 04, 2016, 10:06:31 AM
Can't fool me: it's an actress!

She promised to come to the studio (err, the room where I have a flash) and do some nudes. I'll advise.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on April 04, 2016, 11:29:50 AM
She promised to come to the studio (err, the room where I have a flash) and do some nudes. I'll advise.

Let us know how that line works in France...

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: drmike on April 04, 2016, 11:34:35 AM
She promised to come to the studio (err, the room where I have a flash) and do some nudes. I'll advise.

A flash what? My mind is not boggling. I have supreme self control.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on April 04, 2016, 03:54:30 PM
(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/7835340_orig.jpg)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on April 04, 2016, 05:36:25 PM
Oh, very nice :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on April 04, 2016, 05:40:45 PM
A flash what? My mind is not boggling. I have supreme self control.

I should hope so, a doctor and all.

Is there a policy here on nudity, btw?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on April 04, 2016, 05:49:20 PM
Is there a policy here on nudity, btw?

No selfies. Kate Beckinsale would be fine though
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on April 05, 2016, 05:11:03 AM
Nude policy: AFIK, the policy seems to be - thankfully - that nudes are just fine, but anything pornish is not.

IMO, porn defeats the objective of nude photography, which I imagine to be the preservation against time of transient beauty. Whether or not concepts of beauty change over time, the point remains that I think we are, or probably should be, trying to record and conserve for ever, how wonderful something once looked. And the subject can't, of itself, do that for too many years.

I don't think there's validity for confusing nude photography with medical.

On a tangent: isn't it strange how some can become so stressed out about the matter: after all, every sister, mother, grandmother has the same basic equipment below the cotton, nylon, wool or whatever. The only difference is that some have it in a beautiful format and others not. Are the cries of the latter to defeat the joy of the former?

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on April 05, 2016, 09:50:50 AM
... waits for comments about colour management....
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on April 05, 2016, 09:55:19 AM
My favourite definition is that porn is what other people like, erotica is what I like.

Anyway, this is Grace C. Jones, another actress (I'm fairly sure), and a very lovely person :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on April 05, 2016, 10:59:00 AM
(http://www.keithlaban.co.uk/me.jpg)

Sorry, the temptation was just too great  ;D

Fuerteventura? Ibiza? By the weed, I'd imagine the Med rather than Atlantic. Maybe it's volcanic rock, in which case Atlantic. Either way, you know what to tell colour critics! Love the hair... I used to have about as much. (Depression? Who's depressed? High shine is good!)

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: muntanela on April 05, 2016, 01:04:22 PM
Crocus vernus subsp. albiflorus (Kit.) Ces.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: kikashi on April 05, 2016, 02:35:03 PM
(http://www.keithlaban.co.uk/me.jpg)

Sorry, the temptation was just too great  ;D

That's a photograph, not a selfie. Even if it is of you.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on April 05, 2016, 02:43:57 PM
But, but (hmmm... should double "but" be written twice or simply with a double "t"?) Jeremy, you could have made your point without double posting the butt image  :D
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on April 09, 2016, 03:34:22 PM
One from early evening today
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on April 11, 2016, 10:34:40 PM
.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on April 14, 2016, 03:26:33 PM
A camelia flower
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: kikashi on April 14, 2016, 06:31:02 PM
A camelia flower

Thank you for feeding my monochrome flower lust, Bill.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on April 15, 2016, 04:17:48 AM
You're welcome.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on April 16, 2016, 04:20:42 PM
Foot fetish?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on April 16, 2016, 10:03:23 PM
at the bar
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on April 17, 2016, 04:47:00 AM
Foot fetish?

I used to wear trainers almost all the time except for summer, when it was flip-flops, which meant the luxury of barefoot driving, which can't be a sin, because millions do it every day in India.

I stopped wearing them - trainers - after a trip through France: we were spending a few days in Payrac (near Rocamadour, Brive, Sarlat etc.) and I realised my wife had placed the 'shoes' on the ledge of an open window in the hotel bedroom. She said not a word.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on April 17, 2016, 04:49:54 AM
An exercise in deep chemical physics:

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/8610024_orig.jpg)

Rob C

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on April 19, 2016, 04:36:56 PM
Warmer weather coming in.

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/6408005_orig.jpg)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on April 20, 2016, 06:23:52 AM
Ah! :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on April 20, 2016, 10:03:14 AM
Rubik's Cube:

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/9201367_orig.jpg)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: graeme on April 20, 2016, 12:10:11 PM
A few from Temple Newsam ( near Leeds, UK ).
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: graeme on April 20, 2016, 12:11:59 PM
A few more from Temple Newsam.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: graeme on April 20, 2016, 12:13:34 PM
All Saints Church, Scholar Green, Cheshire, UK.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: graeme on April 20, 2016, 12:14:59 PM
Seaquarium, Weston Supermare, UK.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: graeme on April 20, 2016, 12:17:32 PM
Tyntesfield, Somerset, UK.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: John R on April 21, 2016, 02:32:42 AM
Graeme, really like your indoor work and what appears to be the use of soft window light. Also the use of warm lamp light. The ambiance really comes through and makes the scene come alive. Excellent work!

JR
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: graeme on April 22, 2016, 06:16:00 AM
Graeme, really like your indoor work and what appears to be the use of soft window light. Also the use of warm lamp light. The ambiance really comes through and makes the scene come alive. Excellent work!

JR

Thanks John.

My other half & I often find ourselves wandering around historic buildings which are open to the public ( usually National Trust ). These places are usually very dim inside as they keep blinds over a lot of the windows to minimise UV damage to fabrics, artworks etc. They often use fake candles to bring some light into darker parts of the buildings. This combination creates a definite 'vibe'. The low light levels give my Canon 60D's sensor a bit of a workout & the focus is often a bit off but the images work best as small prints where the technical shortcomings aren't a problem.

Ok not as intrepid as some forum members expeditions to Iceland or Death Valley but I get to eat more cake than them. ( National Trust properties usually have good tea rooms / cafes ).

Graeme
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on April 26, 2016, 10:34:24 PM
few long exposures with the RX100 (focused by ear as autofocus didn't work and I couldn't see a thing)

PS. I have no idea why the light changed between shots 2 and 3
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on April 27, 2016, 05:29:39 AM
few long exposures with the RX100 (focused by ear as autofocus didn't work and I couldn't see a thing)

PS. I have no idea why the light changed between shots 2 and 3

By chance was your WB set to AWB? If yes, that could easily be the reason.

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on April 28, 2016, 05:15:23 PM
After a coffee I didn't really need.

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/4718543_orig.jpg)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on April 29, 2016, 04:46:36 PM
.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: churly on April 29, 2016, 08:38:58 PM
Left over from last summer's crop and feeling the passage of time.
Chuck
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on April 29, 2016, 10:55:04 PM
Chuck,

This one has some of the feeling you are getting in your "Effervescent" image.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: churly on April 30, 2016, 01:38:13 PM
Eric - that's a bit scary.  I just got a chuckle from this one.  :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: kikashi on April 30, 2016, 02:08:35 PM
.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on April 30, 2016, 02:22:09 PM
.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 01, 2016, 08:37:13 AM
.


I didn't know you went hunting, Slobodan!

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on May 01, 2016, 08:51:13 AM
.

Not street, but lawn...very nice

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on May 01, 2016, 03:11:04 PM
Not Café de Flore (sorry Rob), but Café de France, in Lyon.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on May 01, 2016, 03:26:54 PM
Place Célestins...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 01, 2016, 05:19:14 PM
Graham,

People really are the most fascinating of all the animals!

I expect that each species thinks similarly of its own... I think we are actually rather fortunate to be living in Europe. I find our own types quite remarkable - not for being 'exotic' as in far away lands, but in their little ways and facial expressions of distaste, resignation and even bewilderment. Lots of the latter in the mirror, as a matter of fact.

Do you ever have the feeling that you're here to finish something before your curtain comes down, but can't quite nail what the hell it might be that you're supposed to be completing?

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on May 01, 2016, 05:42:47 PM
Funny you should say that... I'm reading Frans de Waal's book on animal intelligence, and he talks about how as a species we choose to see the things we're good at as the most important, whereas a squirrel would see us as woefully stupid about remembering a few hundred hiding places for nuts...
I also just watched a video of a lecture by Gary Winogrand where one could imagine that there was no photography outside the US:
https://www.lensculture.com/articles/garry-winogrand-garry-winogrand-visions-from-the-street-portraits-of-america

Otherwise... after a couple of years working under a psychopath boss with narcissistic personality disorder, I lost most interest in my day job... as of 3 weeks, I'm working for a human again, and it's taking some time to re-adapt to not expecting an attack hidden behind every innocent question. Anyway, during my puragtory I decided I needed to move on to a different phase of my life. Not sure what it is yet... probably not sorting out the connection between gravity and quantum field theory :-) Anyway, a couple more years and I'll be over the "can walk away now" savings threshold, at which point the question will really demand to be answered.

It's pretty clear that whatever it is, it will go unnoticed in the wider world, which is an interesting challenge to the ego. For the moment, I'm practicing ;-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 02, 2016, 04:20:06 AM
Thanks for the link, Graham - I'll watch it later in the day - at the moment I have to hang out the washing that's just stopped going round and around (Chuck Berry?)...

Beware the fuck off money: it's never as big a heap as you imagined. I forgot two things: possibility of banks ceasing to pay interest; the rising cost of living that the official figues lie, and tell me isn't happening. It sure is, and has. Oh a third: is hobby able to replace work? And yet a fourth! Life for one on one pension is not the same as life for two on two of them. The mutual constants are very high!

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on May 02, 2016, 02:58:50 PM
By chance was your WB set to AWB? If yes, that could easily be the reason.

Peter

I just got the time to check and you are right, that was the only difference.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 02, 2016, 03:27:16 PM
Not a lady snapper in sight.

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/5149259_orig.jpg)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on May 02, 2016, 06:41:44 PM
It seems I need some text :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on May 02, 2016, 09:48:06 PM
Decay
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on May 02, 2016, 11:00:22 PM
Not a lady snapper in sight.

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/5149259_orig.jpg)

Rob

Rob,
You are most persistent this time...

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 03, 2016, 04:18:36 AM
It seems I need some text :)


Nope, my own soudtrack is perfectly happy to provide the lyrics!

Great shot!

Rob

P.S. I'd just like to add: I think that if this sort of image is made with infinitely fine grain/lack of noise, utter sharpness etc, etc. then it fails to provide the feeling of humanity. I like to see the look of struggle, of happenstance; the little kiss of Lady Luck taken on the fly!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 03, 2016, 04:19:30 AM
Rob,
You are most persistent this time...

Peter

Hang about...

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 03, 2016, 04:21:42 AM
This village is the perfect deserted one during the lunch hour(s).

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/8420695_orig.jpg)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: francois on May 03, 2016, 07:50:37 AM
Slow day…

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on May 03, 2016, 09:57:09 AM
I like to see the look of struggle,

You know the story the Stravinsky deliberately set the opening bassoon solo of the Rite of Spring across the bridge to make it hard to play? He wanted the player's struggle to be heard, to represent the struggle of a new plant pushing out of the soil.

Apparently he was upset that technical skills have improved so much that most decent bassoonists can knock it out as a party trick.

The other amusing anecdote is that the dancers hated Nijinsky's choreography. However
"When on his return Diaghilev enquired about Le Sacre and learnt of its enormous unpopularity, he merely remarked that it was an excellent sign. It proved the composition to be strikingly original."

It don't work that way these days :-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 03, 2016, 10:06:20 AM
You know the story the Stravinsky deliberately set the opening bassoon solo of the Rite of Spring across the bridge to make it hard to play? He wanted the player's struggle to be heard, to represent the struggle of a new plant pushing out of the soil.

Apparently he was upset that technical skills have improved so much that most decent bassoonists can knock it out as a party trick.

The other amusing anecdote is that the dancers hated Nijinsky's choreography. However
"When on his return Diaghilev enquired about Le Sacre and learnt of its enormous unpopularity, he merely remarked that it was an excellent sign. It proved the composition to be strikingly original."

It don't work that way these days :-)


Yes; and looking at the sterility of some Leica Mono stuff elsewhere on LuLa, you can see the point illustrated large! Dee-effin'-ded!

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 03, 2016, 10:10:25 AM
Slow day…

Looking at the thumbnail, the first thing I saw was a close-up of a small barge going through a narrow canal. Glaucoma can bring you some funny moments, too!

On expanding, the woman is fascinating: I see her, many years younger, leaning against a wall somewhere, her boyfriend up close in front of her... celebrating. Face is so important.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 04, 2016, 04:17:45 AM
(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/7186282_orig.jpg)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on May 04, 2016, 09:53:47 AM
(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/7186282_orig.jpg)

Rob
Gosh, Rob. I had to take off my glasses to get the nice blurry effect on that one.   :D

Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on May 04, 2016, 10:01:08 AM
(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/7186282_orig.jpg)

Rob

Ladies and gentlemen the Beetles!!!!! A new world was born.

Peter

My 1000 post and on a good one.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on May 04, 2016, 10:16:46 AM
The barn on the hill
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 04, 2016, 11:24:13 AM
Gosh, Rob. I had to take off my glasses to get the nice blurry effect on that one.   :D

Eric


Life's a blur, Eric. The older I get the faster is screeches round corners. Thing is, sometimes there are no corners when it screeches. That's when I realise it just needs some more snake oil. Plenty of that around!

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 04, 2016, 11:26:38 AM
Ladies and gentlemen the Beetles!!!!! A new world was born.

Peter

My 1000 post and on a good one.

Hey, Peter!

Congrats on the millennium. The first one's easy, just the opposite of the milliions.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: armand on May 04, 2016, 01:00:28 PM
crime scene
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on May 04, 2016, 01:50:06 PM
Much nicer than the crime scenes you find on TV. I especially like the second one (as an abstract).
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on May 04, 2016, 06:36:13 PM
Hey, Peter!

Congrats on the millennium. The first one's easy, just the opposite of the milliions.

Rob

Rob,

You know it's the little things in life...thanks.

Petet
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: David Eckels on May 04, 2016, 08:21:21 PM
Tell Me a Story, Father

Sometimes, out amongst the red rock, you begin to see figures that once may have been alive. Or perhaps you're just hallucinating! It's easy to see how the ancients may have worshipped these stones, especially as the light changes.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 05, 2016, 04:12:45 AM
A kiss in time, David! Nice one. The shot - no idea about how they felt their kiss to be.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on May 05, 2016, 07:42:58 AM
The shot - no idea about how they felt their kiss to be.
Rob

They were Petrified!

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 05, 2016, 09:21:01 AM
They were Petrified!

Peter


Brilliant!

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 05, 2016, 09:23:59 AM
(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/4078991_orig.jpg)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on May 05, 2016, 09:49:03 AM
(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/4078991_orig.jpg)

Rob

An eternal beauty!

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on May 05, 2016, 06:04:36 PM
(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/4078991_orig.jpg)

Rob
Could be "in the prison of the mind."
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 06, 2016, 03:57:43 AM
Hi Eric,

By coincidence, I, too, was thinking later about the shot in terms of 'prison' rather than graveyards. Not of the mind, though I do see your source - but of breasts: that sort of sharp, rigid neckline seems so anti-feminine! But then, I have noticed something similar with women at weddings, at least, at the ones I sometimes had to present myself years ago: in efforts to look formal, smart and possibly wedded to the right guy, there used to be a proclivity for wearing suits that looked as it they had been constructed (the suits, not the women) from sofa materials. I wonder why? Come to think of it, maybe it did make the women, too, look like sofas were part of their build.

I fully understand why youth rebels against this choke-hold on spirit. The hell with the girdle! Save the whales!

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 06, 2016, 04:05:10 AM
As with Hadleyville, I think you'd have to google it.

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/3367910_orig.jpg)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on May 06, 2016, 09:24:49 AM
Rob,
Is that one breasts, or is it "Gladly, the Cross-eyed Bear?"
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 06, 2016, 09:50:06 AM
Rob,
Is that one breasts, or is it "Gladly, the Cross-eyed Bear?"

Eric, don't be lazy: google it (them)!

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on May 06, 2016, 01:22:52 PM
Ms. Bing tells me that 55-59 Old Compton Street is Ho Vietnamese Restaurant.  ?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 06, 2016, 02:54:36 PM
Ms. Bing tells me that 55-59 Old Compton Street is Ho Vietnamese Restaurant.  ?


Ah, history and the contemporary vandalism thereof!

It used to be the 2i's Coffee Bar, the London 'Cavern', as it were, many years before the Liverpudlian's existed as placenta to musical symbols.

Many of Britain's great musos made their debut there; probably unknown, most of them, outside Britain, but it was all we had apart from Radio Luxembourg on 208m medium wave, and AFN coming across from the US Forces network in Germany (Good Morning Vietnam! with a different location base but probably identical agenda) - both, for us, dependent on good atmospherics. First time I heard R 'n' B was on AFN... so no musical colour prejudice there, at least.

As for Hadleyville, NM, think Gary Cooper...

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on May 06, 2016, 06:26:01 PM
Thanks, Rob.

Gary Cooper is somebody I have heard of. (Hmmm. Was he one of my classmates?)

Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: BobDavid on May 07, 2016, 01:42:29 AM
Tell Me a Story, Father

Sometimes, out amongst the red rock, you begin to see figures that once may have been alive. Or perhaps you're just hallucinating! It's easy to see how the ancients may have worshipped these stones, especially as the light changes.

Nice one!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 07, 2016, 09:03:00 AM
Thanks, Rob.

Gary Cooper is somebody I have heard of. (Hmmm. Was he one of my classmates?)

Eric


Um, I dont think so, Eric; he was probably a close personal friend of your parents, but it's hard to be sure: he had one of those personalities that was so difficult to pin down: he used to disguise himself as Randolph Scott now and again, so well that I could seldom spot the join. And that was pre-Photopshop! Come to think of it, which identical twin has the Toni? Which Gary is really Randolph?

And so runs Saturday, much to the distress of some.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 08, 2016, 04:48:06 AM
The Great Western Sleepwalk:

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/889917_orig.jpg)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on May 08, 2016, 04:57:56 PM
I was in Hannover for the long weekend. Interestingly, the 5th of May is Ascension in France, whereas in Germany it's Father's Day, or more precisely "Load a hand-cart with alcohol and go drink it in a public place day."

Friday was a bit calmer.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 09, 2016, 04:29:48 PM
Funny; I'd remembered it as Oh! Calcutta! at first, but maybe the period really was a bit mixed up for some of us.

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/8518724_orig.jpg)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: kencameron on May 09, 2016, 09:21:57 PM
Chips.

I mostly abide by the commandment to refrain from feeding them, but I am usually happy when someone else does.




Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 10, 2016, 02:49:21 PM
(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/6773912_orig.jpg)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: francois on May 11, 2016, 04:04:44 AM
I really love this intense electric blue…
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Arlen on May 11, 2016, 10:28:38 AM
I really love this intense electric blue…

Me, too. This is very nice. Would have fit just as well in the abstracts thread.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 11, 2016, 02:23:23 PM
Thank you, Francois and Arlen,

To an extent, I agree, but my feelings about that thread are now a bit different to what they used to be: I think it has departed from abstraction -as I believe that I understood it - and moved into a sort of programmed/mechanical version with which I have no empathy. Regardless, as long as somebody enjoys the stuff, either this, that or the other - fair enough in all ways: no rules.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on May 12, 2016, 03:41:45 AM
Lots of low-hanging cloud over the last couple of days
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 12, 2016, 05:38:37 AM
Very English, Bill, with a distinctly painterly, watercolour quality about it.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 12, 2016, 05:40:18 AM
A little more violently:

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/8321455_orig.jpg)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on May 12, 2016, 05:41:12 AM
Rob, spilled orange juice, or time for a Tena pad?  :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on May 12, 2016, 07:16:47 AM
A little more violently:

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/8321455_orig.jpg)

Rob C

Cant't be blood, wrong Value... : )

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 12, 2016, 04:07:25 PM
Some black/white:

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/2279120_orig.jpg)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on May 12, 2016, 04:15:38 PM
Hi Rob,

Another sweet, frozen in time dream...

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 12, 2016, 04:31:07 PM
Hi Rob,

Another sweet, frozen in time dream...

Peter

It's my Pygmalion moment: I can't stop gazing into her face. Lord above, help me.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on May 12, 2016, 05:21:46 PM
It's my Pygmalion moment: I can't stop gazing into her face. Lord above, help me.

Rob C

She or He will...

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on May 13, 2016, 12:41:16 AM
Apparently, the Art Institute of Chicago uses plexiglass for their windows, so, when you use a polarizer, you get rainbow colors all over:

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7019/26982195375_eae95b0c56_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/H7jND6)
Polarizer + Plexi (https://flic.kr/p/H7jND6) by Slobodan Blagojevic (https://www.flickr.com/photos/slobodan_blagojevic/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Tony Jay on May 13, 2016, 12:58:04 AM
Fascinating result!

Have you showed this image to said Institute Slobodan?

Tony Jay
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on May 13, 2016, 07:07:45 AM
So what's going on with the rainbow effect on the tower behind?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on May 13, 2016, 07:13:18 AM
Some black/white:

[the beauty spot]

Nice freezing of a frozen model :-) I wonder if Cindy Crawford ever tried to patent her famous spot? I think Harley Davidson attempted to patent the supposed unique exhaust noise of their two-wheeled tractors, and these days Samsung and Apple lodge patents on the roundness of the corners on their phones, so I wouldn't see it as unwinnable. Your lovely abstract may also have been approaching Klein blue as well :-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 13, 2016, 11:49:47 AM
Nice freezing of a frozen model :-) I wonder if Cindy Crawford ever tried to patent her famous spot? I think Harley Davidson attempted to patent the supposed unique exhaust noise of their two-wheeled tractors, and these days Samsung and Apple lodge patents on the roundness of the corners on their phones, so I wouldn't see it as unwinnable. Your lovely abstract may also have been approaching Klein blue as well :-)

Hi Graham,

Re Cindy, I wonder if her contracts precluded retouching the spot out?

Actually, I think the Harleys do have a pretty good sales point with their exhaust tone; they are about the only bikes with the thunder frequency which can make itself heard before you catch vision in the mirror. Good for safety - car people are made aware there's a two-wheeler in town without having had to catch sight first, and often too late.

Went to Palma today, after putting it off for days due to bad weather. It was sunny when I left home, and when I arrived there. Took the watch to the dealer (prime motivation for the trip; dealer today promised me a two-month turnaround), and then I started to shoot windows, hoping for more "Cindies" but with hair. To my surprise, I realised that hardly any of these creations do sport hair anymore (an expression of Palma chic?) - or even faces: the top parts seem to have morphed into liquid blob sculpture. What a drag... been hoping for a pretty face all the drive down. To console myself, I had a cup of tea coffee.

But all was not lost: instead of having a snack lunch, I ended up sheltering under a variety of arches and doorways as the heavens burst upon me. So, no lunch, but a few snaps of people getting very wet instead. Naturally, I found myself with the wrong camera: the D200 and its limitations under low light. But maybe those will add flavour after all; and as token non sequitur, not an Afghan Girl in sight. But there was one very charming poster also taking refuge from the storm (inside a cosmetics shop) that I couldn't resist... couldn't quite decide if I hated the photographer for having the reality, or myself for stooping so low as to kneel at their collective feet and go click! I think I shall just look upon it as as demonstration of huge admiration. There you are: decision made and no need to solicit moral advice!

But hey, the feeling of shooting in the rain (when you are dry) is strange. Made me think of HC-B photographing an artistic friend crossing the street in the rain. You probably know the image, so I won't bother hunting out the book to name and blame. Of course, I have no way of knowing if Henri got wet or not, but his friend clearly did.

Life can be quote enjoyable at times, despite everything that gets in the way.

;-)

Rob



Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on May 13, 2016, 12:31:03 PM
So what's going on with the rainbow effect on the tower behind?

I was shooting from within the building (the modern wing), through the same type of glass/plexi, hence the double effect. It is in the sky too.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on May 13, 2016, 12:54:35 PM


But hey, the feeling of shooting in the rain (when you are dry) is strange. Made me think of HC-B photographing an artistic friend crossing the street in the rain. You probably know the image, so I won't bother hunting out the book to name and blame. Of course, I have no way of knowing if Henri got wet or not, but his friend clearly did.


;-)

Rob

 Alberto Giacometti and it is a great shot...

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on May 13, 2016, 02:20:35 PM
Alberto Giacometti and it is a great shot...

Peter
That's the one where A G is crossing a street and pulling his raincoat up?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 14, 2016, 04:05:08 AM
That's the one where A G is crossing a street and pulling his raincoat up?

That's the one.

There were probably more decisive moments going down, but I haven't seen the contact sheets... ;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on May 14, 2016, 05:28:55 AM
I feel slightly embarrassed posting this one. It's a bloody sunset shot, and yes, I know ...

What i want to know is, why has Capture One insisted on exporting this Fujifilm X100s file full size, rather than the much reduced size I'd set it to export it as? I've done it again & again, but it still comes out as a full-sized jpeg, whereas Nikon files come out as intended. Odd.

Anyway, here it is, lowering the tone from informed conversation about HCB, to another bleedin' sunset photo <insert embarrassed emoticon here>
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on May 14, 2016, 06:12:16 AM
There were probably more decisive moments going down, but I haven't seen the contact sheets... ;-)

Well, I found two

https://p2.liveauctioneers.com/404/9340/1901825_1_l.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/9e/d4/74/9ed474db57584dfb785059dbf464ee41.jpg

I can't resist the snide comment that someone should have cloned out that tree :)

And Bill, your happy sunset shows up at 1200x800 on my pc... ?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 14, 2016, 06:13:53 AM
That's the one where A G is crossing a street and pulling his raincoat up?

From yesterday's unexpected storm. Not Alberto Giacometti in Paris, 1961, but perhaps - at a stretch since I don't know her - Alberta G in Palma in 2016. Regardless, she's got a cuter ass than he, or any other of his gender, could ever have. (Disclaimer: personal opinion.)

A thing I noticed, since I had a camera with me: the great majority of women caught up in this yesterday seemed, instinctively, to do one of two things: either cover their hair, or cover the breast region of whatever they were wearing. Strange, but interesting, which somehow reminds me of the Rowan & Martin position on similar matters.

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/5264105_orig.jpg)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on May 14, 2016, 06:55:14 AM
And Bill, your happy sunset shows up at 1200x800 on my pc... ?

Say thanks to GraphicConverter :-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on May 14, 2016, 02:37:57 PM
Well, I found two

https://p2.liveauctioneers.com/404/9340/1901825_1_l.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/9e/d4/74/9ed474db57584dfb785059dbf464ee41.jpg

I can't resist the snide comment that someone should have cloned out that tree :)
A friend of mine who used to use an 11x14" view camera always had a chain saw in his Land Rover for just this type of situation.   ;)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on May 14, 2016, 03:40:05 PM
I actually know rue d'Alésia reasonably well: a friend lives just off it, towards Parc Montsouris, and I must have walked up and down there 50 times, but I can't recognise the corner. Most of the buildings would still be the same... frustrating.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 15, 2016, 11:03:05 AM
I actually know rue d'Alésia reasonably well: a friend lives just off it, towards Parc Montsouris, and I must have walked up and down there 50 times, but I can't recognise the corner. Most of the buildings would still be the same... frustrating.


Before the Palmesian sky fell in and the thunder rolled (well it was Friday 13th after all), I did a short walk in a direction I'd remembered, from maybe thirty years ago, as leading to a classy square with nice bars etc. It didn't pan out that way: pavements under repair, rubbish bins everywhere, and nothing enticing at all. So I backed up and returned whence I'd come. Which was quite nice: I shot this pair.

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/8278759_orig.jpg)

When I did fnd a bar for my tea coffee, I was rewarded by the same girl walking in to use, I expect, the restroom. She looked even more spectacular in full profile; I didn't expect a relatively short lens to have quite the flattening effect I discovered when I came to play with this snap. Sadly, Graham, she didn't offer to share a cup of anything with me. How painful to be invisible.

;-(

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on May 15, 2016, 04:24:11 PM
Just in case...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on May 15, 2016, 05:48:08 PM
Self portrait... with a friend...

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 16, 2016, 03:49:05 AM
Just in case...

You simply have to admire anyone capable of continuing to express (and bring) their lifestyle statement along like that!

I remember wondering aloud, here, whether or not Lincoln Capris of the early 50s came with red metallic paint: I think it must have been so: my Raleigh Lenton bike had exactly that - in '53.

I understand that it is illegal to give a tow to another car, here, in Spain. Apparently, that's why there are so many tow trucks around. At first I thought this pretty restrictive, but on further thought it make sound safety sense.

Rob

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 16, 2016, 03:55:09 AM
Self portrait... with a friend...


You display sound sense in your choice of bosom friends!

I can't help wondering if you are firing your shutter with your thumb, in homage, as it were... Personally, I discovered a better, more finger-friendly way of holding the Nikon for the making of vertical shots courtesy a Peter Lindbergh video... twisting the wrists into painful shapes and contortions is no longer de rigueur as essential part of the artistic expression.

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on May 16, 2016, 07:19:54 AM

I can't help wondering if you are firing your shutter with your thumb, in homage, as it were...

Lol... no, I'm mirror reverse remember... I use my right eye and my forefinger. I need my thumb to hit the focus button on the back, since I insist on choosing what to focus on.
Actually when I was in Hannover the previous weekend I handed the camera to my friend... who is not a "fancy camera" user. She instinctively put it to her left eye and got herself into quite a tangle trying to manipulate it that way, and generated a batch of not-really-focussed shots.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 16, 2016, 08:50:24 AM
Lol... no, I'm mirror reverse remember... I use my right eye and my forefinger. I need my thumb to hit the focus button on the back, since I insist on choosing what to focus on.
Actually when I was in Hannover the previous weekend I handed the camera to my friend... who is not a "fancy camera" user. She instinctively put it to her left eye and got herself into quite a tangle trying to manipulate it that way, and generated a batch of not-really-focussed shots.


Have you tried using zone-focussing with digital?

I never really trusted it even with film. I firmly believe that only a single, sliver-thin plane is ever in focus, and the catch is finding that crock of gold with the camera; usually, one only manages to catch a crock of, as it were.

Here's another bit of street theatre played out in my mind: third shot of this chicklet. I could pretend that it was all planned to the nth degree, but even the most generous wouldn't buy that one... I was, of course, invisible.

;-)

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/5654487_orig.jpg)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on May 16, 2016, 09:19:42 AM
Here's another bit of street theatre played out in my mind: third shot of this chicklet. I could pretend that it was all planned to the nth degree, but even the most generous wouldn't buy that one... I was, of course, invisible.
And you didn't even invite her to come see your etchings? What a lost opportunity, Rob.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on May 16, 2016, 09:25:19 AM

Have you tried using zone-focussing with digital?


Not really, but prefocusing yes. Yesterday there was a strip of sunlight across rue de la République, so I focused in the middle of that and waited for someone to ride a bicycle through it. Of course, cyclists suddenly became rare, but a pair of teenagers on bmx bikes eventually showed. Lemmee see if I can extract it from Fesse Bouc...

Yep. I was a tiny bit slow hitting the button, I would have preferred to have had the one on the right sharp, but I was happy enough have managed to frame them semi-competently. I cropped off some empty space on the left, but nothing off the vertical.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on May 16, 2016, 09:33:11 AM
Just in case...

There was an actual motorcycle funeral transport company in Melbourne, but they used a sidecar. It had the standard coffin-holding apparatus...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on May 16, 2016, 09:37:12 AM
Sometimes, you have all the time in the world and then you stick it on f/11 anyway  ;D
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 16, 2016, 11:07:12 AM
And you didn't even invite her to come see your etchings? What a lost opportunity, Rob.


But Eric, I told you, I was invisible at the time: didn't want to frighten anyone into hearing disembodied voices now, did I?

Anyway, it would have been a waste of time: saw her later as I sat having coffee, and she didn't even turn her head as she walked right on by on her way out from the loos. I guess I was still invisible. (No, of course not, I wasn't having my coffee in the john!)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on May 16, 2016, 12:45:32 PM
...How painful to be invisible.

Indeed. And I do not understand why science is so obsessed with creating an invisible cloak. Every man will become invisible at a certain age, women even sooner.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 16, 2016, 01:36:21 PM
Indeed. And I do not understand why science is so obsessed with creating an invisible cloak. Every man will become invisible at a certain age, women even sooner.


Hence the Lambos: they fix faulty vision.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 17, 2016, 10:04:15 AM
Self portrait... with a friend...

I don't know about you, thought I suspect it holds in your case too, but I feel advertising is much more than selling: rather than reflect, I believe it to express the emotions and mores that we eventually end up following.

Anyway, this was the first image that I made on Friday 13th, and also, as I sheltered out of the surprise thunder and rain an hour or so later, the last beautiful face that again graced my camera that day. Which is all very interesting but not the point: the point, then, is this: look at the eyes. You'll discover that the one on the left (her right one) is much larger than her left. I'm surprised this poor bit of PSing got through all the levels of checks... It's not just that her eye is more open, due to expression, but the actual iris sizes are diffent too. (On the last shot, tighly framed, it's even more obvious, but I can't work on it - feels all wrong to have somebody else's shot on the screen without at least some personal input from myself. Only shot it because I had to find something to do rather than go crazy waiting for the rain to stop.)

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/823111_orig.jpg)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Chairman Bill on May 23, 2016, 09:06:07 AM
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on May 23, 2016, 10:36:39 AM
My parable from the weekend:
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 23, 2016, 02:23:01 PM
Fortunately for the world, they never learn.

Unfortunately for Social Security Services, they never learn.

Very nice shot - lots of HC-B feeling comes through, or is it just in the nature of France?

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on May 24, 2016, 09:04:09 AM
Lens set at 50mm equivalent, unusually for me, and of course looking down on the berges from above triggers a reminder of the H C-B picnic photo...

Just one of those cases where you see something, grab the first shot, then stand there like an idiot waiting for it to re-occur with better framing of the pram and... it never happens. Finally I open it at home and the first frame was just fine :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 24, 2016, 09:44:08 AM
Lens set at 50mm equivalent, unusually for me, and of course looking down on the berges from above triggers a reminder of the H C-B picnic photo...

Just one of those cases where you see something, grab the first shot, then stand there like an idiot waiting for it to re-occur with better framing of the pram and... it never happens. Finally I open it at home and the first frame was just fine :)


Well, unless another new 'Mum' happened to walk past wheeling her evidence whilst the couple remained transfixed, the deadly message could never be repeated. You got lucky - enjoy! It bears out the olde 'f8 and be there!' philosophy. Sharp eye; but you know that already.

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on May 25, 2016, 05:33:54 AM
Ha, I checked and it was indeed f8 :) There's actually a good supply of mothers and prams along there, but getting it to all line up...

Here's something in colour, and another fluke. Wandering around the city I encountered a salsa band, and to my surprise, recognised the wife of one of my colleagues...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on May 25, 2016, 05:42:02 AM
...and here's one of those frustrating "so close..." occasions. I saw the shot, and grabbed this one. Then I realised the perspective would be better if I got lower down... but then there was always a bus or a car in frame.
So I used LR to straighten the converging verticals, but as often happens there remains a slightly sea-sick variation of vertical across the frame.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 25, 2016, 08:19:56 AM
Ha, I checked and it was indeed f8 :) There's actually a good supply of mothers and prams along there, but getting it to all line up...

Here's something in colour, and another fluke. Wandering around the city I encountered a salsa band, and to my surprise, recognised the wife of one of my colleagues...

Does he know? Reminds me of Belle de Jour situations...

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 25, 2016, 08:25:53 AM
...and here's one of those frustrating "so close..." occasions. I saw the shot, and grabbed this one. Then I realised the perspective would be better if I got lower down... but then there was always a bus or a car in frame.
So I used LR to straighten the converging verticals, but as often happens there remains a slightly sea-sick variation of vertical across the frame.

In a perfect world, I think I'd have gone the opposite way: higher, and increased the space between the principal figure and the crowd. "Internal negative space", as seems to be the current art-speak. Why bother correcting verticals? You give me an appetite to go back to Palma again, despite the drive and the terrifying parking situation. Really, there's no substitute for people if you wanna shoot people! ;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 25, 2016, 08:28:28 AM
Reminded of Palma:

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/6690275_orig.jpg)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on May 25, 2016, 10:02:26 AM
In a perfect world, I think I'd have gone the opposite way: higher, and increased the space between the principal figure and the crowd.

Quick, patent the carbon-fibre photographer's flip-out step-ladder (kind of like the regular one, but 4 times the price)!
Or just launch the idea on kick-starter, the poor-person's venture capital fantasy...

Nice eyes you found there :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 25, 2016, 03:05:44 PM
Quick, patent the carbon-fibre photographer's flip-out step-ladder (kind of like the regular one, but 4 times the price)!
Or just launch the idea on kick-starter, the poor-person's venture capital fantasy...

Nice eyes you found there :)

Ah Graham, I'm always too late with bringing bright ideas to market: the secret's now out there, and the product will soon be on sale at a specialist photo-dealer near you. That there soon won't be any photo-dealers near you doesn't matter...

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on May 25, 2016, 05:04:56 PM
Another H C-B picnic reference:
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 25, 2016, 05:10:23 PM
Another H C-B picnic reference:


Have you noticed how pretty people are usually to found to the fore? Shame about the shoes.

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on May 25, 2016, 06:31:46 PM
I watched for a while, and Mlle was well aware of the value of her legs ;)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 26, 2016, 03:56:39 AM
I watched for a while, and Mlle was well aware of the value of her legs ;)


Which of course, is why she is dressed as she is. It's been my observation - at least since I became aware of these things in my pre-tens, that ladies - or even other pre-ten female children - are fully aware of where their score stands, or sits, as the case may be. The clamouring for ballet lessons etc. etc. is all a part of the awakening, and long may that remain so; we depend on it for survival.

Naturally, the same gender-inspired self-interest is what later creates the excesses of the politically correct police: it's their own failings, shortcomings and personal disappointments (for either all of the genders) that leads to the condition, a striving to silence any vestige of guilt about said under-achievements. Of course, they may be abe to silence some mouths in some areas, but that enforced external silence does absolutely nothing to silence their own inner voices, and that's why their situation gets progressively worse and more extreme.

And it could have been so much easier and different: all they ever needed do was accept that we are all different, that equality is a myth, an impossible fantasy, proof borne out every time they see someone who looks or can do something better than they can look or do.

Only one person can win a single, top prize: anything else, and you inevitably end up devaluing everything. It's a choice society has to make. Are we better off with no golds, just universal sub-bronzes?

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 26, 2016, 06:10:07 AM
In the same location as the eyes, here, the continuing movie has rolled and it is the turn of the lips.

My heart is truly bleeding for anguish caused the lesser-gifted people denied such splendid make-up artificers!

:-)

Rob C

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/4136410_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: petermfiore on May 26, 2016, 07:09:20 AM
In the same location as the eyes, here, the continuing movie has rolled and it is the turn of the lips.

My heart is truly bleeding for anguish caused the lesser-gifted people denied such splendid make-up artificers!

:-)

Rob C

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/4136410_orig.jpg)
Rob,

Another great image, which brings to mind " Love for Sale" a Cole Porter classic...

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 26, 2016, 08:55:24 AM
Rob,

Another great image, which brings to mind " Love for Sale" a Cole Porter classic...

Peter


Thanks; it's a funny thing, though, perhaps even a telling one, but I am utterly incapable of making a musical sound on my own, or of making any instrument do so either; yet, I find myself very much drawn to the lyrics of songs and I find that many of them are incredibly apt on so many occasions. Songs that work seem to carry a truth that is simple, often unadorned, and which resonates.

There seems to be so much in common with music and the art of photography. Whenever I worked in my studio, music would be a presence, ditto in the darkroom. (Ditto in the darkroom... even that seems almost musical if you say it quickly enough.) Thank heavens I never, ever felt the frustration in photography that I constantly face with music. With photography I never asked myself whether I thought I could do it, I simply never thought of it like that; with music, I regularly find myself telling myself to shut the eff up and give my poor ears peace. How patient my wife must actually have been...

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on May 27, 2016, 04:14:27 AM
In the same location as the eyes, here, the continuing movie has rolled and it is the turn of the lips.

To which the passing crowd remains utterly indifferent :) Imagine if you had set that image down in the same place in 1954, people would have travelled in to stand in front of it, the local priest would have thrown black paint over it...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 27, 2016, 05:09:52 AM
To which the passing crowd remains utterly indifferent :) Imagine if you had set that image down in the same place in 1954, people would have travelled in to stand in front of it, the local priest would have thrown black paint over it...

Well, black would be his favourite colour: many of them were murdered due to politics... so yeah, not only the 'wilder' nations kill their spiritual leaders.

This makes me think of France, today. Looking at France24 for my news fix (I have more or less abandoned Sky News) I am slowly losing my love for the country. Their unions are about as democratic as Attila; they ruin many people's holiday plans, disrupt lives without giving even a token shit about it, and provide rabble cover for every thug you can imagine. They smash into and loot banks, burn cars, because they support incredible 'workers rights'? I look at those police forces using pathetic little sprays... shit, I'd machinegun the lot of those goddam thugs in black balaclavas: they even feel confident enough to wear a friggin' uniform!

Then it's Obama's turn: he visits Japan and is expected (by European media) to apologize (to apologize for Pearl will be next on the agenda) for defnitively ending a bloody war that disrupted and enslaved so much of the far east and right down next door to India! The west, in my view, has lost its collective mind, both to political correctness and to reverse-engineered politics and history.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on May 27, 2016, 07:31:37 AM
What is happening in France is an example of what happens when both sides behave incredibly badly: government is progressively more incompetent and corrupt, the use of the terrorist attacks to justify a State of Emergency which is still in place and will be used to protect the UEFA football tournament, as it was used to protect the COP21 meeting is extraordinarily cynical. Meanwhile the unions are where they were in the UK pre-miner's strike.

So there is increasing polarisation, no source of information is considered reliable. The extreme left are unable to see that their naive ideas of overthrowing the government are just screwing people who need to go to work, while the riot police are given free reign to beat up whoever they feel like, while the main-stream media turns a blind eye. It's a massive f-up.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 27, 2016, 09:10:12 AM
It boils down to forms of attitudinal education, Graham.

The concept causing all of this is simple: the world owes me a living.

It has two distinct and surprisingly opposite fans. On the one side are those mainly in the blue-collar world who can lack the background or vision to further themselves via their own efforts and enterprise; there is then the opposite type that comes from wealth, feels youthful guilt at not really having to find a job, and attempts to express empathy with the other 'side' as absolution. Absolution, that is, from totally illogical guilt: unless to further an artistic, philanthropic or altruistic dream of some sort, work is simply an essential to finding money. Without need, there is little intrinsic value to be found in it: it fills your life at the expense of so many better things with which you could concern yourself.

When reason or logic can't deliver what one wants, then force and/or violence becomes the alternative that sometimes works. But but at what cost? You mentioned the 'miner's strike' and it was indeed a sort of turning-point marker. But it also left some terrible scars both on communities in the physical sense, and on people in the psychological and political. That it was inevitable, that no country can continue to subsidise systems that lose money, mattered not to those affected directly, which is perfectly understandable if one is in their shoes. But as a nation, choices and actions become unavoidable, regardless of the political toll it will charge to the party faced with the implementation. It takes a brave leader to run the risk - and see it through.

But youth doesn't last for ever. After a few years of having to earn that daily bread, political leanings can change dramatically, and love for those actively dodging work fades as the romatic idea becomes exposed for the freeload it essentially is.

It's also a bit ironic that France, of all countries, gets targetted by terrorism: it was one of the few lands which so many black US Americans who had the gift of music decided to try and make their new home. As I understand it, they were well-received, became very popular because of their talent, and led better lives than they could find back home in the States; one even bought herself a chateau! But then religious terrorism is so much more evil than that of colour or race: we enjoy some of the same in some Scottish circles as we do in parts of Ireland: one 'Christian' religion devided by partisan groupings. Absolutely insane. They can't even have football matches without bringing it into play. So much needless tragedy. And you don't need to travel to the Middle East to find version of the islamic one: not so long ago, a guy in Glasgow, a moslem, was killed by another moslem with a different religious slant. Hey ho.

So yeah, pretty much everything is effed up everywhere.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on May 28, 2016, 06:19:06 AM
The history of blacks in France is very different than the US because of the relative lack of an evil past. In the US, the racism is still virulent on both sides (obviously not everyone on both sides, but enough). And it's further complicated by angelism and political exploitation and scapegoating and etc etc

In France, issue is the colonial history with Algeria, and the resulting bi-cultural society with conflicting beliefs and myths. Again, for from everybody, but enough. With the same complicating factors.

But that's not what is going on at the the moment... it really is an Arther Scargill "using the workers as cannon fodder in the class war" situation.

What I find ironic is that despite La Révolution and The République, France is extremeiy aristocratic in its attitudes: it's in the medical profession, the banks and of course the politicians, whether of the left or the right. In those circles, the church also has huge influence... some of the far-right groups are still lamenting the fall of the monarchy as a destitution of the divine order! Nuts.

Anyway, it's still pretty...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: Rob C on May 28, 2016, 09:39:04 AM
Yes, indeed pretty, and in parts of it - the Dordogne, for example - I felt I was driving through the nicer parts of Perthsire (Scotland).

I didn't feel much love for the area near Amiens, but very much so with Abbeville, where we used to spend the night going up to the Calais ferry... Eat the best Dover sole we ever had, there, which was an irony: we also tried to get it in the Trusthouse Forte Hotel just outside Dover, and they couldn't supply...oh Britain.  Hitting the motorway south from Calais was one of the golden, recurrent moments of my life: there were thin, stylised sculptures of sports motifs on the sides of that motorway, and when the first one would come into view my heart sang: we were going home! The alternative memory of that stretch of motorway: each time we'd stop at the first/last gas station south of Calais for another tank of freedom (disclaimer: phrase stolen from CW song) there would be an almighty, freezing gale ablowing. So much for Atlantic/Channel zephyrs. Pre-motorway, the Abbeville/Calais strip was a nightmare of ferry-fodder moving at 3mph, which, when the motorway was being built, became even worse. France does motorways marvellously: clean, well-maintained and with plenty of services both for gas and food, as well as other, non-commercial ones, just for relaxation. Pity politics screws it so badly.

Regarding the race conflicts: with most of these, it's something we brought upon ourselves some centuries ago. Payback time. Sadly, it's our generations carry the cost, not those who created the situation: they enjoy monuments to their greater glory.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on May 28, 2016, 06:43:03 PM
Another concert by Cynthia, with Damien doing the body painting...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on May 28, 2016, 06:45:17 PM
There seemed to be some tension between them... but maybe that was my invention... (jpg was a bit cruel to Damien there, he was more visible in the uncompressed version)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 2
Post by: GrahamBy on May 28, 2016, 07:03:54 PM
Finally, here is a technically horrible shot of my assistant: the cat lives at the venue, and he seems to like sitting on the legs of photographers. Here he is making friends with the videographer...
(and that is 51000 ISO grain)