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Title: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: design_freak on January 16, 2013, 10:50:20 am
Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: Enda Cavanagh on January 17, 2013, 01:14:28 pm
It was just announced today that the Hasselblad H4D 40 and H5D 50 are been shipped at the end of the month. I'll be getting a loan of an IQ160 and Arca Swiss RM3Di next week. Hopefully a H5D 50 will be sent to me at the same time so I can compare cameras under same lighting conditions. I'll have the H5D 60 to test at the end of February.
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: Steve Hendrix on January 17, 2013, 08:36:54 pm
Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?


As Enda mentions, shipping to begin soon. This weekend Capture Integration is exhibiting at Imaging USA in Atlanta and next week will host a Hasselblad Open House at our Atlanta Office Loft. We will have the use of an H5D at both of these events.


Steve Hendrix
Capture Integration
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: jduncan on January 21, 2013, 08:16:09 pm
It was just announced today that the Hasselblad H4D 40 and H5D 50 are been shipped at the end of the month. I'll be getting a loan of an IQ160 and Arca Swiss RM3Di next week. Hopefully a H5D 50 will be sent to me at the same time so I can compare cameras under same lighting conditions. I'll have the H5D 60 to test at the end of February.

If we based the analysis on B&H it will be at the end of February. I don't see a lot of timing information on Hasselblad's site.  In the other hand B&H giving Feb 28 for all the line including the H5D-200MS so it could be that they will start shipping until they have the full line.

All of this is speculation at some degree. I will love to have a formal release from Hasselblad.

Best regards,
James
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: Enda Cavanagh on January 22, 2013, 04:30:04 am
All of this is speculation at some degree. I will love to have a formal release from Hasselblad.


Someone from Hasselblad UK is bringing a H5D 50 and a H4D 60 over at the end of January. (not speculation)
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: Doug Peterson on January 22, 2013, 08:10:55 am
If we based the analysis on B&H it will be at the end of February. I don't see a lot of timing information on Hasselblad's site.  In the other hand B&H giving Feb 28 for all the line including the H5D-200MS so it could be that they will start shipping until they have the full line.

Lol.

Trust me when I say that Steve is a bit better informed about all things Hasselblad than b+h.

Specialized shops like Steve's and mine are in touch with the manufacturer nearly every day.

B+H probably received an estimate when the product was first posted and hasn't changed it since then and probably won't change it until they receive notification that theirs has been shipped or until someone at hassy contacts them to ask them to change the eta.
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: eronald on January 22, 2013, 08:17:38 am
So, the new logo is done, the new plastics are coming, and as soon as new firmware can be burned into the existing stock of H4's, and the shells fitted,  they will be shipping :)

Edmund

Lol.

Trust me when I say that Steve is a bit better informed about all things Hasselblad than b+h.

Specialized shops like Steve's and mine are in touch with the manufacturer nearly every day.

B+H probably received an estimate when the product was first posted and hasn't changed it since then and probably won't change it until they receive notification that theirs has been shipped or until someone at hassy contacts them to ask them to change the eta.
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: eronald on January 22, 2013, 06:17:49 pm
...and at a bargain trade-in price of £12,234 for the H5D-50 or £14,994 for the H5D-60.

After which Hassy's employees will be able to go back to their real job, hand-glueing wood loony-cam handles on defenseless Sony Nexen.

Edmund
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: jduncan on January 22, 2013, 11:14:24 pm
As Enda has indicated, Hasselblad sent out promotional material a few days ago saying available end of January 2013.

I misunderstood. I did not read the statement as general. I hope they will update the site soon, but that could be just a communication error.

Thanks for the clarification.

J. Duncan
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: ctz on January 23, 2013, 04:19:54 am
After which Hassy's employees will be able to go back to their real job, hand-glueing wood loony-cam handles on defenseless Sony Nexen.

Edmund

+1
muhahaha!
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: BobDavid on January 23, 2013, 08:55:12 am
So, the new logo is done, the new plastics are coming, and as soon as new firmware can be burned into the existing stock of H4's, and the shells fitted,  they will be shipping :)

Edmund


Indeed! On a side note, I am wondering if H will be giving Lunars away as an incentive to purchase upper-tier H5Ds. I'm wondering when H will come out with the next Lunar model. What is your "dream Lunar"?
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: Kolor-Pikker on January 23, 2013, 09:26:39 am
Screw Lunar, Hassy should've let you pimp your camera instead like these guys, aww yeah!

(http://reviews.photographyreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/pimp-cam-D4.jpg)
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: Gel on January 23, 2013, 12:19:28 pm
After which Hassy's employees will be able to go back to their real job, hand-glueing wood loony-cam handles on defenseless outdated Sony Nexen.


Well they had to take on in the ass from Sony to get those new sensors for the H5D, which is why it's been redesigned in a lot of key places ready for CMOS and ISO 12800 in 18 months.

Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: Nick-T on January 23, 2013, 02:07:15 pm
It's actually a shame that the H5D got a bit buried under the awful Lunar thing. The H5D actually brings a bunch of small but oft requested features to the H line making it a worthy upgrade. Here's the list from Hasselblad:


    More accurate focusing with True Focus II
    New Immediate Focus Confirm
    New print ready Jpeg files
    New compressed multi-shot RAW files for faster and smoother workflow
    New Camera Configurator
    Larger and more ergonomic buttons
    Larger, easier to read display style
    Updated Graphics User Interface
    More programmable buttons
    New and improved weather sealing
    New and faster processors implementing Hasselblad Image Processing Architecture
   

They also announced (again buried) the 24mm lens (pretty amazing for MF IMO) and the macro converter which apparently out-preforms extension tubes (I guess glass is sharper than air!)


Nick-T
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: eronald on January 23, 2013, 02:35:25 pm
The H4's seem to be good cameras, well accepted by their users, but they are suffering from the economy and the D800 effect. At the rate the MF market is shrinking (my dealer says 50% of a couple of years ago) there will be no market to save if the product isn't slimmed down and speeded up a bit.

I don't wanna offend the dealers here, but existing users would happily pay the dealer  $500 for a firmware update offering the features below which could be done with a firmware update, and a price cut of 30% across the range would have done more for sales than the expense of a "new model" release, the issues of old and new stock dealer inventory and spare parts, and production retooling, etc etc.

This relabelling of a firmware update is a case of marketing execs inventing an excuse to keep their jobs while minimizing R&D. More is being spent on the plastics -enlarged buttons- product shots, the web site, the prospectus and updated price lists than on engineering. If they really just want to save the marketing department, they might as well subcontract all the engineering to Fuji who have the necessary resources inhouse.

Now, a new sensor and Liveview and integrated GPS and Wifi, with a web server like the D4 to relay Liveview and images to an iPad and remove the computer tethering, yes that would make sense. At this point the novel features of the dSLRs are turning compelling when they used to be marginal.

Maybe it is time the MF guys got the message that we expect *them* to make cameras, with which we take pictures, and which *our customers* then use to market image and hype.

Edmund

It's actually a shame that the H5D got a bit buried under the awful Lunar thing. The H5D actually brings a bunch of small but oft requested features to the H line making it a worthy upgrade. Here's the list from Hasselblad:


    More accurate focusing with True Focus II
    New Immediate Focus Confirm
    New print ready Jpeg files
    New compressed multi-shot RAW files for faster and smoother workflow
    New Camera Configurator
    Larger and more ergonomic buttons
    Larger, easier to read display style
    Updated Graphics User Interface
    More programmable buttons
    New and improved weather sealing
    New and faster processors implementing Hasselblad Image Processing Architecture
  

They also announced (again buried) the 24mm lens (pretty amazing for MF IMO) and the macro converter which apparently out-preforms extension tubes (I guess glass is sharper than air!)


Nick-T
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: Ed Foster, Jr. on January 23, 2013, 02:47:00 pm
...but existing users would happily pay the dealer  $500 for a firmware update offering the features below...

You do make a valid point on all but the weather sealing. That would be a tough firmware update IMHO.

Ed
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: Nick-T on January 23, 2013, 03:21:48 pm
I agree that these are pretty incremental (ie not dramatic) upgrades but it's not true to say that they are just firmware updates.

Nick-T
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: eronald on January 23, 2013, 03:38:31 pm
I agree that these are pretty incremental (ie not dramatic) upgrades but it's not true to say that they are just firmware updates.

Nick-T

I'm not saying they are *all* just firmware updates. I am saying that most of the photographers I know would wish they had just knocked 30% off the price and done what they could with firmware updates to extend the current model life.

Edmund
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: jduncan on January 23, 2013, 08:09:06 pm
You do make a valid point on all but the weather sealing. That would be a tough firmware update IMHO.

Ed

Not sure that is the only one. Maybe True Focus II needs a new giro or sensor. In the other hand I don't know how constraint the processors on the H4D machines are.
I am still not surprised for what they achieved, I was not waiting for anything revolutionary. My surprise is just: No H5D-80 or Dalsa Multi Shoot and the pricing that looks off.
 Let see how the cameras behave in terms of handling once in the hands of people.

Best regards,

J. Duncan
 
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: Enda Cavanagh on January 23, 2013, 08:15:18 pm
Well they had to take on in the ass from Sony to get those new sensors for the H5D, which is why it's been redesigned in a lot of key places ready for CMOS and ISO 12800 in 18 months.



As far as I know it is the same sensor as the H4D
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: jduncan on January 23, 2013, 08:49:02 pm
As far as I know it is the same sensor as the H4D


By sensor(s) I mean like gyroscopes and accelerometers, not the light capturing sensors.  I am not sure if they are the same or not.

Best regards,

James
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: Ed Foster, Jr. on January 23, 2013, 09:47:48 pm
Let see how the cameras behave in terms of handling once in the hands of people.

Of course, that's fair as was Nick-T's about the other items via firmware upgrade. I just got a kick out of eronald's comment with respect to weather sealing via the firmware upgrade.

Often times there is too much hypothesizing about equipment that has not been released yet as well as commenting from those that don't even own or use the gear.

IMHO, the H4D is fine piece of equipment, but for myself, I'm not sure the upgrade for the trade-up price is necessary - for me. If I were purchasing my first or another, obviously that would be the way to go. However, once released I might whistle a different tune.

Ed
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: Gel on January 24, 2013, 04:47:43 am
As far as I know it is the same sensor as the H4D


Yes, it does right now.

Hasselblad have several sensor prototypes in testing with the approved ones being released in 18 months.

Commercially it's a sound thing to do as it will bring another upgrade cycle. 18+ months after that the H6 should arrive.
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: Enda Cavanagh on January 24, 2013, 07:46:40 am
Just to be clear, you say they will be releasing new sensors in 18 months and putting them in H5D cameras? Will these be CMOS? And in 3 years time they'll release the H6D? And you've been privy to this information from Victor Hasselblad AB?

+1
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: Gel on January 24, 2013, 10:53:30 am
Just to be clear, you say they will be releasing new sensors in 18 months and putting them in H5D cameras? Will these be CMOS? And in 3 years time they'll release the H6D? And you've been privy to this information from Victor Hasselblad AB?

From Hasselblad themselves, R+D are testing new prototype sensors for the H5D. The H5D was specifically designed to take these 'new types of sensors'.

I'm assuming 'new types' means CMOS, at worst, true full sized sensors.

2007 H3DII
2009 H4D
2013 H5D
logically.... 2016/17 H6D

You can conclude with reasonable certainty that halfway through the product cycle they will release these new sensors priming it for the next Gen H6

Factually there is a new type of sensor(s) coming in 18 months, I've had this info from two different techs at Hasselblad. Everything else is conjecture but it fits Hasselblads revision cycle.
The sensors aren't specifically from Sony, there are multiple companies putting their designs forward for testing. No names were given.





Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: Gel on January 24, 2013, 11:36:23 am
Is there a link to this information or did Hasselblad choose to share this with you alone?

Do Hasselblad know their techs are giving you this information? Do the techs know you're giving us this information? If so is it available for all to see?


You don't have to believe me KLaban, it doesn't bother me really :)

Just relaying what I was told and my thoughts based on that.
They certainly didn't say, 'Shhhh don't tell anyone but...' however I wouldn't expect a press release anytime soon either.

Although the first technician did give me the look that people sometimes do when they realized they perhaps shouldn't of said anything.

Believe it or don't believe it. I've no incentive to post BS on here.

Edit: The first guy did say something 'groundbreaking' and completely new was coming.
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: Gel on January 24, 2013, 12:55:25 pm
'Factually' they said something groundbreaking was coming in 18 months and that several prototype sensors are in the works of which the H5D was designed specifically to use.

This is no different from assuming Apple has something new and exciting in development and are working with a new tech company for a new feature. It stands to reason that most companies have something on the horizon to drive sales, just with Hasselblad it's easier to speculate with more certainty. There's only so many doors they can go through.
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: FredBGG on January 24, 2013, 01:25:42 pm
Edit: The first guy did say something 'groundbreaking' and completely new was coming.

Isn't that what they said about the Lunar?...... Just kidding...
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: Gel on January 24, 2013, 01:51:42 pm
Isn't that what they said about the Lunar?...... Just kidding...

No that was unbelievable Fred :D
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: BobDavid on January 25, 2013, 10:23:18 am
Nice to see you back on the board, Edmund. I was afraid you had gotten banned.
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: eronald on January 25, 2013, 07:56:03 pm
Nice to see you back on the board, Edmund. I was afraid you had gotten banned.

Aww, now that is a backhanded compliment!

Edmund
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: jduncan on February 02, 2013, 10:55:15 pm
Lol.

Trust me when I say that Steve is a bit better informed about all things Hasselblad than b+h.

Specialized shops like Steve's and mine are in touch with the manufacturer nearly every day.

B+H probably received an estimate when the product was first posted and hasn't changed it since then and probably won't change it until they receive notification that theirs has been shipped or until someone at hassy contacts them to ask them to change the eta.

Hasselblad has not updated http://www.hasselblad.com to reflect the shipping of the H5D. The product menu item still lists only the h4d.

January have just pass by. Has someone get  theirs?  How responsive is it?
are the cameras really shipping to the public now?

Best regards
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: design_freak on February 11, 2013, 03:50:49 am
Nobody ???  >:(
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: Enda Cavanagh on February 11, 2013, 04:16:16 am
Ya I'm still waiting to get my hands on the test camera
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: gigdagefg on February 11, 2013, 07:35:32 pm
my dealer received a request from Hasselblad a few weeks ago concerning the serial numbers on my H4D body, viewfinder and back pursuant to the trade in.I think I will have my H5D soon
Stanley
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: Quentin on February 12, 2013, 01:51:05 pm
From Hasselblad...


The sensors aren't specifically from Sony, there are multiple companies putting their designs forward for testing. No names were given.



Finally a medium format Foveon sensor. >:(

Or not, sadly.  There is always something radical and new just round the corner.  These carrots are dangled to keep us interested in new gear and fretting about present technological limitations. We should just get on and shoot with the great stuff we already have.
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: stevebri on February 13, 2013, 01:22:03 pm
Here here Quentin,

Couldn't agree more.

Must be something in the water I once lived in sunny Saffron Walden and am not far from there now, (kings X rather than Liverpool st).

No doubt ill see you 'out there' in a field at dawn using this marvellous kit we own.

Steve
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: Quentin on February 13, 2013, 02:23:02 pm
Here here Quentin,

Couldn't agree more.

Must be something in the water I once lived in sunny Saffron Walden and am not far from there now, (kings X rather than Liverpool st).

No doubt ill see you 'out there' in a field at dawn using this marvellous kit we own.

Steve

Hi Steve,

Might need to take a rain check on seeing me at dawn for a while except perhaps the 6:06am Stansted Mountfitchet train to Liverpool Street tomorrow morning ( the day job keeps getting in the way...)  ;D. Can't wait for that to change.
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: JV on March 06, 2013, 08:49:53 pm
I just noticed that B&H lists the H5D-50 as In Stock, just the H5D-50 though...
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: BrendanStewart on March 07, 2013, 09:19:11 am
I think a lot of people were hoping for something more out of the H5D. I personally, was hoping for better high ISO performance. Whether that means better noise control through Phocus, or a new CMOS sensor, i don't know. In addition to that, i would have liked a slightly larger review screen with higher pixel count with faster processing.

But honestly, and i'd hate to say it because i really love Hasselblad, but the IQ series is doing things Hasselblad should have been doing some time ago. What is going on over at Hasselblad? One has to wonder...

This is more like a H4.1D than a H5D.

.02
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: eronald on March 07, 2013, 01:04:09 pm
On the H5D aka H4.1D you could legitimately expect a wonderful hand-sculpted walnut grip.

There is little reason for H to invest in new firmware and software as long as they are not sure they will have a new sensor. They already have a new CEO, and a new haute NEX, is that not enough progress? Besides which, by the time Phase really delivers all that wifi stuff, Hassy may well have announced the H7D - I know that I was promised bluetooth real soon now when I ordered my P45+, if I had not believed that I might have got a cheap P45 :)

I think an improved Phocus would be easily possible; in particular in-situ camera calibration would enable substantially higher ISOs, *provided good chips are used* which costs money. However this should not be expected, as Adobe's lobbying is harder and harder to resist, and software is a cost rather than a revenue generator for Hassy.

Edmund


I think a lot of people were hoping for something more out of the H5D. I personally, was hoping for better high ISO performance. Whether that means better noise control through Phocus, or a new CMOS sensor, i don't know. In addition to that, i would have liked a slightly larger review screen with higher pixel count with faster processing.

But honestly, and i'd hate to say it because i really love Hasselblad, but the IQ series is doing things Hasselblad should have been doing some time ago. What is going on over at Hasselblad? One has to wonder...

This is more like a H4.1D than a H5D.

.02
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: Gel on March 11, 2013, 10:49:57 am
I had my hands on it at Focus last week.

I like the look, love the screen.
The H5D50 was what I had in my hands. The sensor is exactly the same at the H4D50. Other than a few incremental changes and minor I don't consider it really any different.

As a H4D owner the only thing I would move to the H5 for is the screen. For me this isn't a big enough reason to jump.

But nice paint job.
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: bdp on April 11, 2013, 02:19:52 am
Just got mine. First in Sydney I believe  8)

First impressions are excellent - the mirror slap has been greatly reduced...

Ben

Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: JV on April 12, 2013, 08:14:09 am
Great looking camera!  I see that B&H has them now as well.   
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: Kagetsu on April 13, 2013, 09:55:20 am
A friend received his a few weeks ago. I'm a phase user myself, but it's a few slight improvements on the external side of things. He hadn't really had a chance to play with it much at that stage though (Melbourne, Aus btw). In any case, they are out in the wild.
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: soren on April 13, 2013, 12:49:59 pm
Used mine for three weeks now. I see improvements in file quality compared to my previous HD3 II 39, did a small upgrade to HD5 50.

The new battery is a big improvement compare to the old one, the screen display too and focus is faster :) The RRS L-plate works on the new model too... thanks

You can now also shoot RAW+JPG.... The CF memory compartment is much improved as it was a bit scary to see the electronic card inside when open the card cover door on HD3 II when there was snow or rain

Few things that I am not happy with is the on/off button, it is impossible to use with gloves on  >:(. My wish is to have one of the other button set to on/off instead... perhaps a firmware update? Did they not test the camera with glows on???

Also you can have the "Grip" information on the sensor unit display but you can not see the exposure compensation. When you have the camera high on a tripod and need to change some settings (I always use M-mode) I need to see the exposure compensation for not under/over exposure... firmware update?

Focus confirm could be better, now you need to press a button for activating and then move the cursor to the area of focus and another press on the button to see 100 %. I want 100 % directly on one press on a button and yes it can be centred because I can move the window if needed then... firmware update?

You have bracket settings you can set what ever you want, but how about focus stacking!?? Would be a nice feature, you focus on the front object and then the camera move the focus (depending on the lens) for the next exposure. They have all the knowledge of the lenses and certainly know the best settings for focus stacking as well... just a wish (of course there is HTS 1.5)

Now we need to find a company that can do firewire to wireless so you can hook up the Hblad to an iPad with Phocus, that would be something :)

Regards
Soren
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: Kolor-Pikker on April 13, 2013, 01:29:59 pm
Oh, come on! Is it that hard to show some pics taken with the camera, rather than of the camera?  :D
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: soren on April 13, 2013, 01:47:35 pm
OK OK!!!

Don't know if that tells so much about the camera! But I do love the quality of the files... and I rarely sharpen the images no need for my taste

Todays shot....
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: Dustbak on April 13, 2013, 02:23:21 pm
Yikes, still no 0-point on the diopter dial on the viewfinder :( This is annoying!!
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: bdp on April 13, 2013, 04:44:30 pm
Yikes, still no 0-point on the diopter dial on the viewfinder :( This is annoying!!

Yes, mine was so far off that it hurt my eyes the first time I looked through! The guy doing QC at Hasselblad must wear glasses  ;D I've fiddled with it twice to guess where '0' is and get it right...

Ben
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: Dustbak on April 14, 2013, 06:18:09 am
I found, it is especially difficult when using the HTS. You get away with being a bit off when using only the lenses (certainly when using AF :). When using the HTS MF is already more difficult, having the diopter being off makes it even harder. How hard could it be to put numbers on the diopter??
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: FredBGG on April 14, 2013, 10:00:56 am

But nice paint job.


Stupid paint job....

Black is the right color for a camera as it will be less likely to be reflected in the subject.

Also if white had some validity why not make the whole thing white as an option for those that
use it in hot sun.

Anyway the important thing is that they kept that Allesandrini waco away from the design of the H5
or else you would have a Steam Punk H5
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: Nick-T on April 14, 2013, 04:06:07 pm
Ray the reason the diopter is not marked is because the range of adjustments means it goes through more than one revolution..

BTW when adjusting use the sharpness of the LCD readouts in the viewfinder as your reference.

Nick-T
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: Steve Hendrix on April 15, 2013, 02:39:05 pm
Stupid paint job....

Black is the right color for a camera as it will be less likely to be reflected in the subject.

Also if white had some validity why not make the whole thing white as an option for those that
use it in hot sun.

Anyway the important thing is that they kept that Allesandrini waco away from the design of the H5
or else you would have a Steam Punk H5



It is not white.


Steve Hendrix
Capture Integration
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: Steve Hendrix on April 15, 2013, 05:06:57 pm
I had my hands on it at Focus last week.

I like the look, love the screen.
The H5D50 was what I had in my hands. The sensor is exactly the same at the H4D50. Other than a few incremental changes and minor I don't consider it really any different.

As a H4D owner the only thing I would move to the H5 for is the screen. For me this isn't a big enough reason to jump.

But nice paint job.



Just to clarify the H5D improvements, it's a bit more than a paint job (#9 on my list below for the details). Whether it is worth it or not for an H4D owner is up to the individual. It's a pretty major upgrade for an H3D owner...


https://captureintegration.com/top-10-things-i-love-about-the-hasselblad-h-system/



Steve Hendrix
Capture Integration
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: Ken R on April 15, 2013, 07:08:27 pm

Just to clarify the H5D improvements, it's a bit more than a paint job (#9 on my list below for the details). Whether it is worth it or not for an H4D owner is up to the individual. It's a pretty major upgrade for an H3D owner...


https://captureintegration.com/top-10-things-i-love-about-the-hasselblad-h-system/



Steve Hendrix
Capture Integration

Very nice write up. Thx!
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: FredBGG on April 15, 2013, 07:21:42 pm


It is not white.


Steve Hendrix
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Not white.......? Slightly off white?

(http://static.bhphoto.com/images/images345x345/893190.jpg)
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: FredBGG on April 15, 2013, 07:38:42 pm

Just to clarify the H5D improvements, it's a bit more than a paint job (#9 on my list below for the details). Whether it is worth it or not for an H4D owner is up to the individual. It's a pretty major upgrade for an H3D owner...


https://captureintegration.com/top-10-things-i-love-about-the-hasselblad-h-system/



Steve Hendrix
Capture Integration

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For auto focusing, Hasselblad has developed True Focus.
True Focus incorporates yaw rate sensor technology to measure angular velocity via the internal (APL) Absolute Position Lock processor found on H4D/H5D cameras.
It is then able to correct for vertical and horizontal focus shift that results from recomposing a camera focused on the viewfinder’s center focus point.
The H5D provides True Focus II, which builds on True Focus  by adding the ability to automatically compensate for lens curvature.

While Hasselblad likes to call the processor Absolute Position Lock true focus does not absolutely lock the position of the camera. It only detects
changes of angle. It does not detect any forward or backwards movement. When recomposing with a large camera and heavy lens there
nearly always some movement either forwards or backwards.

The addition of lens curvature compensation is useful, increases accuracy but not much help if the camera is not moved perfectly on the center point of the lens.
Adding more focus sensors would have been a better improvement.

Using the true focus recomposition information to position the zoom in of the focus check on the LCD is a nice touch.
Face recognition in image review mode would have been even better, especially for manual focus work.

HEre is a more detailed article on the limitations of Truefocus... by Hasselblad.

http://www.hasselbladusa.com/media/2234814/when%20true%20focus%20makes%20a%20difference.pdf (http://www.hasselbladusa.com/media/2234814/when%20true%20focus%20makes%20a%20difference.pdf)

It is an article on True Focus of the H4d so there is nothing about lens curvature.
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: Dustbak on April 16, 2013, 01:57:36 am
Gee Fred, not sure how often I have seen you link to that article by now but it is safe to say too often. Nope true focus does not work when you move the camera in a lateral way, neither can you take good pictures when you leave the lens cap on. I have not seen you link articles towards ths strange phenomena.

As an OWNER and USER of a H4 I can tell you I think TF is one of the major selling arguments of the H4/5 and it really works well when you use it right.
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: David Watson on April 16, 2013, 03:02:27 am
Gee Fred, not sure how often I have seen you link to that article by now but it is safe to say too often. Nope true focus does not work when you move the camera in a lateral way, neither can you take good pictures when you leave the lens cap on. I have not seen you link articles towards ths strange phenomena.

As an OWNER and USER of a H4 I can tell you I think TF is one of the major selling arguments of the H4/5 and it really works well when you use it right.

Could not agree more.
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: eronald on April 16, 2013, 03:37:23 am
As an OWNER and USER of a H4 I can tell you I think TF is one of the major selling arguments of the H4/5 and it really works well when you use it right.


I sold my MF system because my Mamiya's AF focus was just not compatible with my sloppy way of using a camera.  So I'm happy to hear that Hassy keep making theirs better. In fact I hope to pick up a used H4 once the prices fall (another 2 years?).

At the moment, I am using Canon gear to take portraits of my kid in available light, and the big problem is *quickly* getting accurate focus while preserving composition The image below is with a $250 kit composed of a geriatric preowned 400D and a 50/1.8, at some horrible ISO that would be impossible with an MF system, and it is *manually focused*.

I've moved up again from the small Canon because I like AF, and I got a junkyard 1Ds3 which by using the my old 135/2 gives me the same results as the Rebel, with fast lowlight AF, at 10x the price :) However, the consumer Canon probably cost me about 1% of a new MF system, and I'd say it still has better autofocus than the Mamiya.

Edmund
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: Dustbak on April 16, 2013, 04:09:29 am
You will find that sloppy usage of a camera is perfectly fine for TF, as long as you can put the sloppiness into wrist movements. Focussing with the center and doing a sloppy wrist movement is exactly what will do the trick.
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: bdp on April 16, 2013, 07:34:11 am
Not white.......? Slightly off white?

(http://static.bhphoto.com/images/images345x345/893190.jpg)

It's silver.
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: Steve Hendrix on April 16, 2013, 06:06:05 pm
Not white.......? Slightly off white?

(http://static.bhphoto.com/images/images345x345/893190.jpg)


I guess you haven't held one. If you sit it down next to a MacBook Pro, it is the same identical color scheme of silver and black. If you put an Apple logo on it, you'd swear it was an Apple product.


Steve Hendrix
Capture Integration
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: FredBGG on April 16, 2013, 08:15:24 pm
Gee Fred, not sure how often I have seen you link to that article by now but it is safe to say too often. Nope true focus does not work when you move the camera in a lateral way, neither can you take good pictures when you leave the lens cap on. I have not seen you link articles towards ths strange phenomena.

As an OWNER and USER of a H4 I can tell you I think TF is one of the major selling arguments of the H4/5 and it really works well when you use it right.

On the last part I agree with you. It works well when used within it's limits.

What do you mean by lateral movements? Do you mean re composing left to right?

Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: Kolor-Pikker on April 17, 2013, 05:52:37 am

I guess you haven't held one. If you sit it down next to a MacBook Pro, it is the same identical color scheme of silver and black. If you put an Apple logo on it, you'd swear it was an Apple product.


Steve Hendrix
Capture Integration
Haha, if it were an Apple product, it would be half the size and weight, have a retina screen, be compatible with all iDevices, etc. Think a cross between a Leica S, Credo and IQ2.

Actually, that doesn't sound so bad, of all the companies that could have bought Hasselblad, Apple had just the right amount of pretentiousness and disposable income to have really taken them in the right direction.

On the last part I agree with you. It works well when used within it's limits.

What do you mean by lateral movements? Do you mean re composing left to right?
I think he meant to say "diagonally", true focus only works when you recompose vertically or horizontally, but not both at the same time, unless Hassy fixed that with the H5D.
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: Steve Hendrix on April 17, 2013, 11:56:24 am
Haha, if it were an Apple product, it would be half the size and weight, have a retina screen, be compatible with all iDevices, etc. Think a cross between a Leica S, Credo and IQ2.




That could be whole thread in itself - "If it were an Apple product....."


Steve Hendrix
Capture Integration
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: MrSmith on April 17, 2013, 12:07:25 pm
H-Blad are taking full page adverts for the aspirational bauble sony-wood-polished aluminium camera in the 'how to spend it' magazine supplement of the sunday times. so they probably see themselves as far more exclusive than apple and are perhaps seeking financial salvation at the luxury end of the market.
IIRC it was placed upon a Luis Vuitton travel case so maybe there is a future mutual marketing drive there?
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: Douglas Fairbank on April 17, 2013, 02:31:39 pm
If it was an Apple product it would have Thunderbolt connectivity.

That could be whole thread in itself - "If it were an Apple product....."


Steve Hendrix
Capture Integration
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: design_freak on April 17, 2013, 03:04:02 pm
If it was an Apple product it would have Thunderbolt connectivity.

Is that good or bad?  :)
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: eronald on April 17, 2013, 10:51:55 pm
If it were an Apple product you would owe Apple 30% of every file sale :)

Edmund
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: FredBGG on April 18, 2013, 12:15:00 am
If it were an Apple product you would owe Apple 30% of every file sale :)

Edmund

Yup... they would suck your blood....

That's it the iBlad  or was that the iBled
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: andrew444 on April 19, 2013, 09:55:02 am
Yes I have now got mine also ... there is often a lot of critical comments regarding Hasselblad on the forums and i can only guess these folks don't use/own one.

As to the H5D improvements,  small changes from the H4D   but when you use one for work not play they make your life easier and that means you can concentrate more on the shot and less on the camera.
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: design_freak on April 19, 2013, 10:22:55 am
Yes I have now got mine also ... there is often a lot of critical comments regarding Hasselblad on the forums and i can only guess these folks don't use/own one.

You are wrong :) Many of them work with , or have or had one...

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As to the H5D improvements,  small changes from the H4D   but when you use one for work not play they make your life easier and that means you can concentrate more on the shot and less on the camera.

I am very happy  :) If it is true...
From what you write, they were able to fix all the errors. Perfectly !!
Congratulations. I wish that the equipment has been used by you for years.
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: ondebanks on April 20, 2013, 08:20:08 pm
I think an improved Phocus would be easily possible; in particular in-situ camera calibration would enable substantially higher ISOs, *provided good chips are used* which costs money.

Edmund, what did you mean by the bit I've highlighted in bold?

Ray
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: eronald on April 21, 2013, 07:43:28 am
Ray,

Pattern noise eg. striping is in practice the greatest limitation to high ISO shooting, as I learnt from my my P45+; various tricks can be used to deal with this, also exploiting sensor features like the optical black edge pixels, but the Raw converter needs to help, and may need to be fed with calibration images at that high "ISO".

I also think reading the sensor slower, and possibly re-reading it, might also allow more data to be extracted.

If I may be allowed a dumb analogy, SLR focus experience has improved hugely for us geeks since user fine-focus adjustment was introduced, although the facilities were always there, to allow factory adjustment. The same goes for sensors. It's about exploiting hardware features that are already in place, it's about actually letting the user get all the juice out of the lemon, and the raw converter plays a huge role in that, fixing flaws, doing histogram striping compensation etc. 

High ISO in practice is all about letting the user get the image, and making it usable even if resolution, color depth etc have to be sacrificed along the way, and the MF marketing guys and management just don't get this although the sensor guys do, because they work for the military, and all these image processing techniques are well known and can be dug out of the remote sensing and security industry literature if you have the patience.

Edmund
Title: Re: Has anyone received their Hasselblad H5D?
Post by: eronald on January 26, 2014, 09:20:29 pm
Do people have more H5D real-life impressions to share?

Edmund