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Title: Scots Got Their Revenge on British Royals
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on January 12, 2013, 03:53:28 PM
Clue: the painter is Scottish.

Title: Re: Scotts Got Their Revenge on British Royals
Post by: Chairman Bill on January 12, 2013, 04:50:40 PM
The eyes follow you around as you move. The mark of a masterpiece, isn't it?  ;)
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Post by: Rob C on January 12, 2013, 05:26:34 PM
The painter only had two sittings; the rest of the work had to be done with reference to a bunch of photographs. I don't know who the snapper was... Maybe what's going to be the next greatest thing will be Photoshop for painters.

It's certainly made a pretty girl become an older woman. I wonder if it's intentional: setting the scene for a more regal, mature look that's becoming of a queen? One thing I do know: I wouldn't share their lives for all the tea in China. What a sentence they have to endure: no real sense of freedom, regardless of how much wealth there may be around them. Targets of hatred as much as of love. Where do they go to, my lovelies, when they're alone in their beds? Those songs said it all, and who at the time really noticed?

Rob C
Title: Re: Scotts Got Their Revenge on British Royals
Post by: Kirk Gittings on January 12, 2013, 05:26:44 PM
Wishful thinking aside, it looks exactly like her. I guess portraits are supposed to make you look better than you actually do.
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Post by: kencameron on January 12, 2013, 05:46:54 PM
It's certainly made a pretty girl become an older woman. I wonder if it's intentional: setting the scene for a more regal, mature look that's becoming of a queen?
+1. The artist has been much criticized for making her look older, but for mine it makes the portrait much more interesting and artistically is surely entirely unobjectionable. Portraits are supposed to go somewhere beyond immediate appearance and for a subject in her position the future is surely not an uninteresting  place to go.

And to the list of the misfortunes that offset their wealth I would add, at least for her and a few of the others, having to wait for most of your life before you begin your real job.

As for the Scots (one t is conventional), quite a few of them actually want to keep the Royals after independence, but as Queens (etc) of Scotland rather than of a United Kingdom.
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Post by: kikashi on January 13, 2013, 04:14:10 AM
It's perfect for putting on crockery.

Jeremy
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Post by: Rhossydd on January 13, 2013, 05:46:31 AM
it looks exactly like her.
Have you ever seen her in person ?
Title: Re: Scotts Got Their Revenge on British Royals
Post by: Rob C on January 13, 2013, 06:17:33 AM
As for the Scots (one t is conventional), quite a few of them actually want to keep the Royals after independence, but as Queens (etc) of Scotland rather than of a United Kingdom.


1. With two ts we'd be oats.

2. Independence. As the small become ever more in danger of the greater shark, can anyone still imagine avantages? To my mind, Independence is powered not only by old, totally obsolete history, but by politics bred of unemployment. What is overlooked in these emotional instances is that unemployment is everywhere, and that the old industries that once powered many countries are dead, almost everywhere. Change to something new requires pots of money; the smaller you are the less of it you have. That which comes from outside is ultimately as ephemeral as the stuff you don't have at home. Look at the car business today (Honda in the UK, recently) and wonder why.

Keeping the 'Royals' after any Independence is a contradiction in terms. How can that happen? There is no way that a new, home-grown royalty would ever be tolerated or financed. There's enough class and religious hatred alive and well in Scotland to ensure that! As for the British monarchy being valid in an Independent Scotland, how come, and if so, why change anything in the first place? All I see in store with Independence is more bureaucracy, more jobs for the boys (whoever they might be) in the new circumstances. Just as was spawned with the EEC. Oh, and inevitably, more Scottish tax to replace the British subsidies. Unless, of course, the new Scots would be happy to enjoy an even lower standard of life than the one some think they enjoy at the moment.

Rob C
Title: Re: Scotts Got Their Revenge on British Royals
Post by: Chairman Bill on January 13, 2013, 06:20:33 AM
I'd give Alec Salmond his independence - he can have Bròna Cleit in the Flannan Isles, so long as he takes the monarchy with him.
Title: Re: Scotts Got Their Revenge on British Royals
Post by: Wim van Velzen on January 13, 2013, 06:22:57 AM
I can very well understand the desire of many Scots no longer to be governed from Westminster. It is better to have your own politicians to vote for or be angry about.
As for the monarchy - the present line of kings is more related to the Scottish than to the English monarchs of old.
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Post by: stamper on January 13, 2013, 07:18:31 AM
I think you will find that the Germans have a bloodline in there somewhere. Victoria married a German.
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Post by: Chairman Bill on January 13, 2013, 07:27:14 AM
And Liz married a Greek.
Title: Re: Scotts Got Their Revenge on British Royals
Post by: stamper on January 13, 2013, 07:30:04 AM
And Charles is attached to a "bag of spanners" according to one cynic.
Title: Re: Scotts Got Their Revenge on British Royals
Post by: Rob C on January 13, 2013, 10:31:03 AM
Spanners? Nut screws washer and bolts.

Rob C
Title: Re: Scotts Got Their Revenge on British Royals
Post by: JBerardi on January 13, 2013, 10:37:16 AM
One thing I do know: I wouldn't share their lives for all the tea in China. What a sentence they have to endure: no real sense of freedom, regardless of how much wealth there may be around them. Targets of hatred as much as of love. Where do they go to, my lovelies, when they're alone in their beds? Those songs said it all, and who at the time really noticed?

And all they get in exchange for that burdon is extraordinary wealth and privilege, the likes of which 99.9% of humans will never even comprehend much less experience.

Well, it hardly seems worth it.
Title: Re: Scotts Got Their Revenge on British Royals
Post by: Rob C on January 13, 2013, 01:18:10 PM
And all they get in exchange for that burdon is extraordinary wealth and privilege, the likes of which 99.9% of humans will never even comprehend much less experience.

Well, it hardly seems worth it.



"What doth it benefit a man (or woman) if he gain the whole world and lose his own soul?"

Rob C
Title: Re: Scots Got Their Revenge on British Royals
Post by: petermfiore on January 13, 2013, 01:23:04 PM
One day Kate will old and then gone, and her portrait will be forever young.


Peter
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Post by: kikashi on January 13, 2013, 02:42:08 PM
I can very well understand the desire of many Scots no longer to be governed from Westminster. It is better to have your own politicians to vote for or be angry about.

Many of us English would relish the absence of an overwhelmingly Labour (left-wing) bunch of Scottish members of parliament at Westminster. However, it's not going to happen.

One day Kate will old and then gone, and her portrait will be forever young.

Maybe she'll stay looking young and her appearance in the portrait will grow old.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Scotts Got Their Revenge on British Royals
Post by: markadams99 on January 13, 2013, 03:53:02 PM
Many of us English would relish the absence of an overwhelmingly Labour (left-wing) bunch of Scottish members of parliament at Westminster. However, it's not going to happen.

Quite. Scotland has both the most beautiful, mystical landscape, at least in the north west, and one of the most parasitic societies as far as the urban, repeat urban, population goes - largely dependent on the bribes of Labour and the SNP. Independence would be great if it makes them stand on their own two feet. We English would be well shot of the Scotocracy - eg Blair, Cook and Brown simultaneously running the UK government.  It's all very Quebecish.
Title: Re: Scotts Got Their Revenge on British Royals
Post by: petermfiore on January 13, 2013, 03:57:22 PM


Maybe she'll stay looking young and her appearance in the portrait will grow old.

Jeremy

That would be a Horror, someone should write a book!!!!!!


Peter
Title: Re: Scots Got Their Revenge on British Royals
Post by: Rob C on January 13, 2013, 04:46:17 PM
Would you settle for A portrait of Dorian Gray?

Rob C
Title: Re: Scotts Got Their Revenge on British Royals
Post by: Rob C on January 13, 2013, 04:52:38 PM
Quite. Scotland has both the most beautiful, mystical landscape, at least in the north west, and one of the most parasitic societies as far as the urban, repeat urban, population goes - largely dependent on the bribes of Labour and the SNP. Independence would be great if it makes them stand on their own two feet. We English would be well shot of the Scotocracy - eg Blair, Cook and Brown simultaneously running the UK government.  It's all very Quebecish.



Nope; you might get rid of the looney left, but to exclude the real Scots brains from London would be suicidal.

Vive Québec, vive Québec Libre! as one Charles de G was wont to declare at the most inopportune moments. But would even Canada be better off without them?

Rob C
Title: Re: Scots Got Their Revenge on British Royals
Post by: Chairman Bill on January 13, 2013, 05:02:48 PM
I'd rather be rid of the raving right. You know, people like Bliar (sic) & his New <hawk, spit> Labouristas. Neo-liberal entry-ists is what they are.

Come back Dave Nellist, all is forgiven.
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Post by: Wim van Velzen on January 13, 2013, 05:35:05 PM
Quite. Scotland has both the most beautiful, mystical landscape, at least in the north west, and one of the most parasitic societies as far as the urban, repeat urban, population goes - largely dependent on the bribes of Labour and the SNP. Independence would be great if it makes them stand on their own two feet. We English would be well shot of the Scotocracy - eg Blair, Cook and Brown simultaneously running the UK government.  It's all very Quebecish.

Not much love lost then when Scotland votes for independence. Reading the posts here I gather it is about the choice between American style London centered politics or a European style social-democracy.
Title: Re: Scots Got Their Revenge on British Royals
Post by: petermfiore on January 13, 2013, 08:14:03 PM
Would you settle for A portrait of Dorian Gray?

Rob C

You are the Master of the obvious!!!!!!!


Peter
Title: Re: Scotts Got Their Revenge on British Royals
Post by: kikashi on January 14, 2013, 03:15:55 AM
Nope; you might get rid of the looney left, but to exclude the real Scots brains from London would be suicidal.

Ah, yes. Where would we have been without Gordon Brown?

Jeremy
Title: Re: Scotts Got Their Revenge on British Royals
Post by: Chairman Bill on January 14, 2013, 03:22:54 AM
Ah, yes. Where would we have been without Gordon Brown?

Jeremy

Well we wouldn't have had nearly 2% growth when Labour left office in 2010. Where did that go BTW?
Title: Re: Scots Got Their Revenge on British Royals
Post by: stamper on January 14, 2013, 03:57:12 AM
Ah, yes. Where would we have been without Gordon Brown?

Jeremy

David Cameron? However a plague on both of them. Do you wish to hold onto the oil when you get rid of Scotland?
Title: Re: Scots Got Their Revenge on British Royals
Post by: stamper on January 14, 2013, 04:00:28 AM
Quite. Scotland has both the most beautiful, mystical landscape, at least in the north west, and one of the most parasitic societies as far as the urban, repeat urban, population goes - largely dependent on the bribes of Labour and the SNP. Independence would be great if it makes them stand on their own two feet. We English would be well shot of the Scotocracy - eg Blair, Cook and Brown simultaneously running the UK government.  It's all very Quebecish.

A little out of date with your list of rogues? One dead, another out of office and wandering the world as a peace envoy and the other just wandering. ;D
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Post by: markadams99 on January 14, 2013, 07:17:25 AM
I'd rather be rid of the raving right. You know, people like Bliar (sic) & his New <hawk, spit> Labouristas. Neo-liberal entry-ists is what they are.

Come back Dave Nellist, all is forgiven.
Nellist! A mere Trotskyist. Come back Dave Spart, all is forgiven. The National Amalgamated Union of Sixth-Form Operatives and Allied Trades is true Dinosaur Socialism.
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Post by: Chairman Bill on January 14, 2013, 07:26:05 AM
The nice thing about Dave Nellist is that he wasn't on the make. He took only 40% of his salary (equivalent to the wage of a skilled factory worker), donating the rest to charity & the Labour movement. Nice to have someone not in it for the money & power, and we could do with more with his principles, whatever their political leanings.
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Post by: kaelaria on January 14, 2013, 08:26:48 AM
I was critical in my mind as I watched a story about it - UNTIL, they panned over to her standing next to it - the guy did an outstanding job, it really does look just like her.
Title: Re: Scots Got Their Revenge on British Royals
Post by: stamper on January 14, 2013, 10:26:53 AM
The nice thing about Dave Nellist is that he wasn't on the make. He took only 40% of his salary (equivalent to the wage of a skilled factory worker), donating the rest to charity & the Labour movement. Nice to have someone not in it for the money & power, and we could do with more with his principles, whatever their political leanings.

+1
Title: Re: Scots Got Their Revenge on British Royals
Post by: Rob C on January 14, 2013, 10:33:10 AM
You are the Master of the obvious!!!!!!!


Peter


Better than just a Jack of all trades!

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Scotts Got Their Revenge on British Royals
Post by: Rob C on January 14, 2013, 10:36:12 AM
Ah, yes. Where would we have been without Gordon Brown?

Jeremy


Exactly! That's the looney party for you. Those two were just playing 'my turn your turn' with one another at our expense.

Rob C
Title: Re: Scotts Got Their Revenge on British Royals
Post by: Rob C on January 14, 2013, 10:48:05 AM
Well we wouldn't have had nearly 2% growth when Labour left office in 2010. Where did that go BTW?


What 2% growth? We were in debt to our bloody eye balls when those two clowns were hoofed out and still haven't managed to clear it. Maggie left a vast improvement behind her and look how that was butchered by those of her own and then the rest! The only good thing to say about Blair is that he was at least big enough to voice his admiration of her achievements. Of course, that did him little good with the faithfull followers of the reddish, eastern glow. Oh well, at least I think he managed to raise his portfolio to five houses - better than I ever did - one was more than enough!

But hey, this is pointless: nobody ever changes their mind about anything so basic and visceral. What's the use of just getting to dislike one another for things beyond the photographic?

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Scots Got Their Revenge on British Royals
Post by: Dave (Isle of Skye) on January 14, 2013, 04:36:42 PM
On the point regarding Scottish independence:

When my friends south of the border ask me which way I will vote on this subject now that I am eligible to do so, I always say that as I am a newcomer to this wonderful land, I am more than happy go with the flow, or possibly not vote at all, as I do not feel entitled to select anything other than what the indigenous people would wish for themselves - and now having discussed this very topic with quite a few of the locals, not one person has yet said to me that they would be voting for independence. This might just be a local preference of course.

Dave
Title: Re: Scots Got Their Revenge on British Royals
Post by: Rob C on January 15, 2013, 04:01:04 AM
On the point regarding Scottish independence:

When my friends south of the border ask me which way I will vote on this subject now that I am eligible to do so, I always say that as I am a newcomer to this wonderful land, I am more than happy go with the flow, or possibly not vote at all, as I do not feel entitled to select anything other than what the indigenous people would wish for themselves - and now having discussed this very topic with quite a few of the locals, not one person has yet said to me that they would be voting for independence. This might just be a local preference of course.

Dave



More likely it's the reality: there's a lot of mileage in creating worry amongst the pigeons - feathers fly and droppings fall, in this case, as cash into the press's coffers and, worst-case scenario, the open hands of the politicos and flag makers!

The Scots were always considered a canny lot; do they follow the lemming so easily? I think not. I hope not.

Also, Dave, I share your point of view regarding elections in 'foreign' parts: though eligible to vote in some elections here, I don't because, to be honest, the local politics are too far beyond me and my concerns are not those of the general, native Mallorquin who needs much more from, and puts much more into the system than do I. Like most expats, I lead a separate life whilst being in the middle of the common fold. To get along well and not make enemies is task enough and more than sufficient for any self-imposed 'guest'.

Rob C