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Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Colour Management => Topic started by: L.David on January 03, 2013, 11:33:23 pm

Title: Choice of Monitor Calibration hardware/software
Post by: L.David on January 03, 2013, 11:33:23 pm
I am going to be purchasing monitor calibration hardware software for the first time and would like any thoughts/advice on what to purchase. After looking around a bit I'm considering:


In particular I've not found found much on the web that compares X-Rite and Datacolor hardware and software. It seems like everything I find focuses on one vendor or the other. I'd appreciate any and all thoughts.
Title: Re: Choice of Monitor Calibration hardware/software
Post by: afx on January 04, 2013, 03:22:13 am
As my experience with Datacolor products (Spyder2 Elite or whatever it was called was a disaster for print profiling) , I tend to recommend not using their products.
For screen only the consensus seems to be that the X-Rite i1Display Pro seems to be the device of choice.

cheers
afx
Title: Re: Choice of Monitor Calibration hardware/software
Post by: Simon Garrett on January 04, 2013, 06:27:38 am
Some reviews at http://www.drycreekphoto.com/Learn/Calibration/MonitorCalibrationHardware.html (http://www.drycreekphoto.com/Learn/Calibration/MonitorCalibrationHardware.html) and http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/reviews.html#Monitor_profiling (http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/reviews.html#Monitor_profiling).

I use the ColorMunki Display and I've been very pleased with it.  I've had a few others before (various Spyders and Eye One Display 2), and this seems the best I've used for monitor calibration (I don't calibrate my printer - I use profiles supplied by printer or paper makers). 
Title: Re: Choice of Monitor Calibration hardware/software
Post by: digitaldog on January 04, 2013, 10:48:24 am
  • X-Rite ColorMunki Display
  • X-Rite i1Display Pro
  • Datacolor Spyder4Pro
  • Datacolor Spyder4Elite

If your budget permits, go directly to the i1Display Pro. The ColorMunki hardware is identical but you end up with crippled software that also slows down measurements which seems silly to me. You can't upgrade the software so you might as well get the best package from the get-go.
Title: Re: Choice of Monitor Calibration hardware/software
Post by: Scott Martin on January 04, 2013, 11:01:30 am
I travel around the country calibrating hundreds of displays every year and have all of these, and the i1DisplayPro is my favorite of them all. The size of the device, speed of calibration, smoothness of gradations, extreme shadow detail, and consistency across a variety of display types are all big in my mind.
Title: Re: Choice of Monitor Calibration hardware/software
Post by: L.David on January 05, 2013, 10:28:11 pm
Thanks everyone, this has been very helpful. The articles that Simon posted were especially helpful.

It looks like I'll be going for the i1Display Pro, I may have to wait a bit to fit it in the budget, but for the price difference I can't see going for a lesser model if I'm going to eventually want to upgrade.
Title: Re: Choice of Monitor Calibration hardware/software
Post by: DaveCurtis on January 09, 2013, 03:31:37 am
I have a Dell U2711 and a Spyder 3 pro. I cant say Im that impressed with the Spyder 3 /Datacolor software on the the wide gamut display.

Looking at getting a X-Rite i1Display Pro rather than a Spyder 4.
Title: Re: Choice of Monitor Calibration hardware/software
Post by: AndrewD on January 15, 2013, 04:15:12 pm
A quick follow-on to the advice to go with the X-Rite i1 Display Pro. I was considering upgrading to this and currently run Color Eyes Display Pro v1.6 software on a Mac with OS X Mountain Lion.  Would it be best to stick with the Color Eyes software for monitor calibration or to use the software that comes with the X-Rite?

Many thanks


Andrew
Title: Re: Choice of Monitor Calibration hardware/software
Post by: tho_mas on January 15, 2013, 04:46:00 pm
A quick follow-on to the advice to go with the X-Rite i1 Display Pro. I was considering upgrading to this and currently run Color Eyes Display Pro v1.6 software on a Mac with OS X Mountain Lion.  Would it be best to stick with the Color Eyes software for monitor calibration or to use the software that comes with the X-Rite?
the former X-Rite "i1 Match" software was mediocre at best. I am not quite sure but AFAIK Color Eyes is basically a basICColor Display clone ... if so, it's a probably much more advanced and sophisticated software. Then again - since you have both just try them and compare ...
Title: Re: Choice of Monitor Calibration hardware/software
Post by: Czornyj on January 15, 2013, 06:17:35 pm
the former X-Rite "i1 Match" software was mediocre at best. I am not quite sure but AFAIK Color Eyes is basically a basICColor Display clone ... if so, it's a probably much more advanced and sophisticated software. Then again - since you have both just try them and compare ...
The present software - i1Profiler - is not that bad, builds nice profiles and also has several interesting features.
Title: Re: Choice of Monitor Calibration hardware/software
Post by: donbga on January 16, 2013, 08:48:55 pm
If your budget permits, go directly to the i1Display Pro. The ColorMunki hardware is identical but you end up with crippled software that also slows down measurements which seems silly to me. You can't upgrade the software so you might as well get the best package from the get-go.

Does your recommendation/assessment apply to users of NEC monitors and Spectraview software?

Thanks,

Don Bryant
 
Title: Re: Choice of Monitor Calibration hardware/software
Post by: digitaldog on January 16, 2013, 09:33:33 pm
Does your recommendation/assessment apply to users of NEC monitors and Spectraview software?

Yes, SpectraView supports the use of the X-rite device.
Title: Re: Choice of Monitor Calibration hardware/software
Post by: sngraphics on January 17, 2013, 02:59:55 am
I apologize if I am off topic a bit, but after reading this entire thread I was just wondering if I could ask how an X-Rite i1Pro
compares with the i1Display Pro for monitor calibration. (hopefully someone else will find this info useful as well)
I use ColorNavigator 6 for my Eizo and i1Profiler to profile my printer, scanner and my Dell U2410.
Any comments would be much appreciated. Thanks.
Title: Re: Choice of Monitor Calibration hardware/software
Post by: digitaldog on January 17, 2013, 10:12:19 am
I apologize if I am off topic a bit, but after reading this entire thread I was just wondering if I could ask how an X-Rite i1Pro
compares with the i1Display Pro for monitor calibration.

The Spectrophotometer versus the Colorimeter? You'll be slightly better off with the Colorimeter, it is a tad better at measuring dark emissive patches.
Title: Re: Choice of Monitor Calibration hardware/software
Post by: Quentin on January 17, 2013, 12:36:38 pm
I upgraded to a Spyder 4 elite, and it does a very good job - it coped with a tricky monitor much better than the Spyder 3.  It's a good solution for not much money.
Title: Re: Choice of Monitor Calibration hardware/software
Post by: mouse on January 18, 2013, 04:07:39 pm
If your budget permits, go directly to the i1Display Pro. The ColorMunki hardware is identical but you end up with crippled software that also slows down measurements which seems silly to me. You can't upgrade the software so you might as well get the best package from the get-go.


I chose an alternative solution.  Using the ColorMunki hardware one can get around the "crippled software" problem by substituting Argyll program driven with dispcalGUI.  Bit more of a learning curve but the results are very good.
Title: Re: Choice of Monitor Calibration hardware/software
Post by: Fred Salamon on January 18, 2013, 08:24:49 pm
I recently purchased the i1 Display Pro.
Unfortunately, I was not aware that it is not compatible with my Wacom mouse and tablet.

http://www.xritephoto.com/ph_product_overview.aspx?ID=1454&Action=Support&SupportID=5521 (http://www.xritephoto.com/ph_product_overview.aspx?ID=1454&Action=Support&SupportID=5521)

There is a workaround,according to the above link, which is to use a regular mouse, or switch the tablet to pen mode.
Just something to factor into your purchasing decisions.
Title: Re: Choice of Monitor Calibration hardware/software
Post by: David Eichler on February 02, 2013, 02:09:05 am
I recently purchased the i1 Display Pro.
Unfortunately, I was not aware that it is not compatible with my Wacom mouse and tablet.

http://www.xritephoto.com/ph_product_overview.aspx?ID=1454&Action=Support&SupportID=5521 (http://www.xritephoto.com/ph_product_overview.aspx?ID=1454&Action=Support&SupportID=5521)

There is a workaround,according to the above link, which is to use a regular mouse, or switch the tablet to pen mode.
Just something to factor into your purchasing decisions.


Cant stand the Wacom mouse anyway. Just use the stylus, and I use a trackball in place of the mouse.
Title: Re: Choice of Monitor Calibration hardware/software
Post by: anvit on January 28, 2014, 02:35:56 am
hello,
 
sorry to go a little off topic but i have been really confused for a while now and would really be grateful if someone could help me out and suggest which calibration hardware/software would suite me the best.

i do coloring work for comic books and i have 3 dell U2410 and one U2713 and im facing  great color consistence problems across the monitors and as an end result face a problem while my work is getting printed.

i was thinking of investing in either: spyder4pro (as it's economical) but if there is a vast difference in calibration quality then i would opt for Syder4elite or X-Rite i1Display Pro.

which calibration device would best suite dell monitors and my requirements?
Title: Re: Choice of Monitor Calibration hardware/software
Post by: D Fosse on January 28, 2014, 04:27:46 am
No wonder you've been confused. Those monitors are wide gamut and an absolute requirement is that they are calibrated and profiled, and used only with fully color managed software. Everything else will be garishly oversaturated.

I'd recommend the i1 Display Pro without question. The sensor is superb, and in addition works with virtually every other calibration solution on the market, including the new Dell calibrator (only for the newer Dells), NEC Spectraview and Eizo ColorNavigator. Lots of options for any future system upgrades.

The current Spyders are also good and much better than their strangely bad reputation. But not as flexible.
Title: Re: Choice of Monitor Calibration hardware/software
Post by: D Fosse on January 28, 2014, 06:14:41 am
Afterthought: Is it a U2713H or a U2713HM? One is wide gamut, the other standard. But the U2410 is wide.

One standard and one wide would certainly be inconsistent - until they're both profiled and viewed in a fully color managed environment. Then they'll be identical and correct, except that the 2410 will be able to display some very saturated colors that the other can't.
Title: Re: Choice of Monitor Calibration hardware/software
Post by: Some Guy on January 28, 2014, 11:06:04 am
Some of the old Spyders used to be only allowed for a fixed number of monitors or computers.  X-rite used to be too, but they did away with it.  I don't know if Spyder still has that gear-number restriction which might be an issue if you change equipment.  When I had my second Spyder, it required some online registration to get the updated software to even work on a brand new install (Check for "newer version" which it then locked up.).  It took almost a week for them to give me a working registration number for it to even work.

SG