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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: colorspace.am on December 22, 2012, 12:41:25 AM

Title: Rollei Hy6 mod2 ..price?
Post by: colorspace.am on December 22, 2012, 12:41:25 AM
A little bit of a pointless thread, but I never heard back from DHW and my leaf [credo] dealer also touched base with them but never heard back soooo.. I was wondering if anyone had a confirmed price on the new AFi? And is anyone aware of whether or not it's possible to have the battery grip swapped out for the Leaf one (I'd rather not have to use the Sinar/Rollei batteries in one camera and Leaf in another).

Title: Re: Rollei Hy6 mod2 ..price?
Post by: EricWHiss on December 22, 2012, 12:54:57 AM
Hi Alex,
The last time I e-mailed with Reiner at DHW was end of October.  I had intended to send one of my bodies in for the upgrade, but have been busy and it just works great now so not sure I need the upgrade.  Anyhow here's the e-mail reply with cost and a bit more.  I guess a lot of people asked if they could change the body panel colors.  I think if you send in your camera for the upgrade they'd charge you about 100 euros to change the contacts to the leaf battery - maybe more maybe less - I've had it done to one of my bodies and it wasn't really expensive, but can't recall the price.


If your camera has the firmware 3.10 or 3.10 A3 and the 3rd no. of the serial no. is 3 or 4 the upgrade is possible. We are not able to change the outer parts in black. The price for the upgrade is 349,- Euro.

Please send the camera to the address as following :

DHW Fototechnik GmbH
Service
Salzdahlumerstr. 196
38126 Braunschweig
Germany
Title: Re: Rollei Hy6 mod2 ..price?
Post by: colorspace.am on December 22, 2012, 01:17:36 AM
Remembered seeing this in a previous thread of yours - but looking for the Hy6 II body outright (keeping the AFi and your back as their own system and picking up the Credo/mod 2 sometime in the new year)
Title: Re: Rollei Hy6 mod2 ..price?
Post by: EricWHiss on December 22, 2012, 02:29:00 AM
Ah... I see.    I dunno if those are available yet or not.   Credo on Mod 2 looks great! 
Title: Re: Rollei Hy6 mod2 ..price?
Post by: JerryReed on December 22, 2012, 12:42:38 PM
Check out the price for the Rolleiflex Mod 2 at B&H Photo

Jerry
Title: Re: Rollei Hy6 mod2 ..price?
Post by: colorspace.am on December 22, 2012, 01:00:28 PM
That's not the mod 2.
Title: Re: Rollei Hy6 mod2 ..price?
Post by: colorspace.am on January 02, 2013, 02:12:56 AM
Found it on a forum - 8200 EU for body/4560/80 AFD PQS

In case anyone was wondering.
Title: Re: Rollei Hy6 mod2 ..price?
Post by: EricWHiss on January 02, 2013, 02:24:17 PM
I wonder how much just the camera body is?   If I subtract out for the lens and film back, it must be around 5000 euro? 
Title: Re: Rollei Hy6 mod2 ..price?
Post by: MarkoRepse on January 02, 2013, 03:08:26 PM
here are some prices: http://www.ctrades.com/rollei.htm
Title: Re: Rollei Hy6 mod2 ..price?
Post by: rolleiflexpages on January 02, 2013, 05:01:55 PM
You may also have noticed that DHW is offering a special end-of-year sales on the original Hy6 including AFD 80mm Xenotar and 6x6 film back for 5.995 euro including taxes and shipment. Not a bad deal !
http://www.dhw-fototechnik.de/

And, by the way, I was also inquiring about the update but was advised that further refinements are still being developed so it may not be a bad idea to wait a little with any upgrade from the original Hy6 to the Mod 2 version.

Pascal
Title: Re: Rollei Hy6 mod2 ..price?
Post by: Gigi on January 02, 2013, 06:11:46 PM
here are some prices: http://www.ctrades.com/rollei.htm

Wondered who they were/are. Has anyone ever done business with them?
Title: Re: Rollei Hy6 mod2 ..price?
Post by: colorspace.am on January 02, 2013, 06:34:04 PM
Google: reseller ratings ctrades

..there's one on photo.net ..in the first few results. About 4 or 5 reviews about the store. Slightly dated. Most about some guy called Mike - but all positive.
Title: Re: Rollei Hy6 mod2 ..price?
Post by: Lacunapratum on January 02, 2013, 06:37:56 PM
Mike is a good guy.  Used to work out of Malibu, now moved to Europe.  Definitely trustworthy. 
Title: Re: Rollei Hy6 mod2 ..price?
Post by: EricWHiss on January 02, 2013, 06:38:27 PM
Ctrades was US based for a long while, then it/he disappeared for a year or two and resurfaced in Europe.   Everything I have heard has been positive, but I've not bought anything from him.

Title: Re: Rollei Hy6 mod2 ..price?
Post by: Lacunapratum on January 02, 2013, 07:29:04 PM
I bought a 6008AF and a 180mm Tele-Xenar AF from him, both new.  Way back...  Immaculate service.  Nice guy.  Very personable. 
Title: Re: Rollei Hy6 mod2 ..price?
Post by: DHW-JHartje on January 07, 2013, 10:12:53 AM
Hi,

I don't know if I'm allowed to post prices in this forum but I'll try:

The german enduser price incl. 19% VAT is about 7.140 (Body, WLF, 6x6 filmback, battery & charger) the kit with 80mm AFD Lens is about 9.340 .

To get further information the best is to contact us directly.

The price for upgrading your existing Hy6 depends on the firmware-version and the serial-no of the body. So here the best way is also to contact us directly.

Best regards,

Johannes Hartje
Title: Re: Rollei Hy6 mod2 ..price?
Post by: rolleiflexpages on January 07, 2013, 05:46:34 PM
Hello Johannes,
good to see you in this forum!
Title: Re: Rollei Hy6 mod2 ..price?
Post by: Lacunapratum on January 07, 2013, 11:02:50 PM
Dear Mr. Hartje,

We are all big time impressed with DHW's emergence on this forum.  Your participation is certainly very helpful. 

$9K for a body is not cheap, but then it's fantastic to have a new rig to mount those Schneider lenses on.  The real ones.  Not the Mamiyaschneiders  :).  And all those nice backs.  Leaf and Sinar. 

I guess 9K is somewhere between the Leica, where the amount pays for one third of the body (you may pick which third), and the Pentax, which comes with the sensor.  And the Rollei Schneiders come with a leaf shutter and there is plenty of accessories to be had.  And you can get fast Zeisses, shift, and three macro lenses. 

The other day I was thinking that if the camera was introduced today, with all those marvelous fast lenses and features, it would be a sensation.  Perhaps with a little marketing as well...  Photographers would drop their Leicas, Hasselblads, and Mamiyas left and right.

Well - we are glad you finally made it. 
Title: Re: Rollei Hy6 mod2 ..price?
Post by: EricWHiss on January 08, 2013, 12:47:45 AM
+1 for DHW participating in the Forum!

But if I read it correctly, the body price is 7140 euro with the film back and the VAT.  For those of us outside Europe, would the price not be - 19% or 5785 Euro?   And if we didn't need the film back, could we purchase the body separately?  I think the film back adds 1000 euro or something like that?

Another question for Mr. Hartje:   Does the Mod2 body only work with Leaf backs, or all existing backs including the Sinar?
Title: Re: Rollei Hy6 mod2 ..price?
Post by: DHW-JHartje on January 08, 2013, 02:48:02 AM
First of all, thank you all for your warming welcome. I will try to keep you up to date at everything you could be interested in.

But if I read it correctly, the body price is 7140 euro with the film back and the VAT.  For those of us outside Europe, would the price not be - 19% or 5785 Euro?   And if we didn't need the film back, could we purchase the body separately?  I think the film back adds 1000 euro or something like that?

Another question for Mr. Hartje:   Does the Mod2 body only work with Leaf backs, or all existing backs including the Sinar?

Dear Eric

1. yes this kit includes a film back. And yes VAT is about 19% (but on top) so the price for the kit is about 6.000 without VAT (and of couse without lense).
The price for a kit including Body, WLF, Battery, charger and neckstrap is about 4.820 (if you include VAT it is 5.735,80 )

2. At the moment there is just the option of a leafback for the Hy6 Mod 2. But you can also use all of the three credos!

Dear Mr. Hartje,

We are all big time impressed with DHW's emergence on this forum.  Your participation is certainly very helpful. 

$9K for a body is not cheap, but then it's fantastic to have a new rig to mount those Schneider lenses on.  The real ones.  Not the Mamiyaschneiders  :).  And all those nice backs.  Leaf and Sinar. 

I guess 9K is somewhere between the Leica, where the amount pays for one third of the body (you may pick which third), and the Pentax, which comes with the sensor.  And the Rollei Schneiders come with a leaf shutter and there is plenty of accessories to be had.  And you can get fast Zeisses, shift, and three macro lenses. 

The other day I was thinking that if the camera was introduced today, with all those marvelous fast lenses and features, it would be a sensation.  Perhaps with a little marketing as well...  Photographers would drop their Leicas, Hasselblads, and Mamiyas left and right.

Well - we are glad you finally made it. 

Dear Lacunapratum,

the $9k is not the price for the body, it also includes already lenses an accessories. So if you deduct everything you'll come to the price I mentioned above : 4820 + VAT and I think this price isn't that far away from our competitors.
And like you said: you can have all the nice accessories like fine lenses, interchangeable viewfinders and the great option to choose by yourself and from one job to another if you use film or digital back!

Best regards,

Johannes
Title: Re: Rollei Hy6 mod2 ..price?
Post by: Lacunapratum on January 09, 2013, 12:27:04 AM
Thanks for clarifying.  I guess between $6.3K and 7K (taxes, shipping) is very competitive and a great price for a entry into a great system. 
Title: Re: Rollei Hy6 mod2 ..price?
Post by: EricWHiss on January 09, 2013, 04:09:54 PM
Yes, I think the Hy6 Mod2 is price competitively relative to the other options such as a DF+ for example, and you'd be getting a much better camera too.  ;D


Johanes,
Can you tell us that already own one or more Hy6/AFi bodies, if DHW is ready to perform updates on the bodies that are eligible?  I read above that Pascal writes there are some final refinements are being made and it would be good to wait a bit longer?   

Also I am curious to know if the color temp or white balance sensor in the Hy6 will be incorporated for use with the digital backs with any of the current or future updates?
Thanks,
Eric
Title: Re: Rollei Hy6 mod2 ..price?
Post by: Guillaumeperret on April 02, 2013, 03:59:16 PM
Hello everybody!
I'm new on the forum.
I'm sorry about my english. I'm in Switzerland, in the french part.

I have 2 questions:

1. I have a digital back Leaf aptus 65 I use with a Hasselblad 503CW.
I would like to have a Rollei Hy6.
Do you know if I can fit my back on the Hy6?
If yes, do you know the price of the adapter?

2. Is a HY6 mod1 with a update the same that a HY6 mod2

Because if i buy a used HY6 mod 1 + 1000Euros for the update it less expensive that if I buy a HY6 mod2.

Thank you very much for your Help!

Guillaume

www.guillaumeperret.com

Guillaume Perret

www.guillaumeperret.com
Title: Re: Rollei Hy6 mod2 ..price?
Post by: bradleygibson on April 02, 2013, 08:54:33 PM
Bonjour, Guillaume,

Second question first:
2) An updated Hy6 Mod 1 should be the same as the Mod 2 except for the exterior color.  The Mod 1 will retain the odd grey-blue color, while the Mod 2 is in proper, sexy black.  (Is my bias showing?)

1) The back will need to have its mount changed to AFi mount.  I don't know if the Aptus 65 was ever offered in AFi mount, but I believe the 75 was, so there is some hope (anyone know for certain?).  The AFi-II 7, 10 and 12 are, and so are the new Credo's.  Leaf's Yair Shahar can probably answer this definitively, if you drop him a message.  http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=54519

Bonne chance et bienvenue!
Title: Re: Rollei Hy6 mod2 ..price?
Post by: Steve Hendrix on April 02, 2013, 09:12:51 PM
Bonjour, Guillaume,

Second question first:
2) An updated Hy6 Mod 1 should be the same as the Mod 2 except for the exterior color.  The Mod 1 will retain the odd grey-blue color, while the Mod 2 is in proper, sexy black.  (Is my bias showing?)

1) The back will need to have its mount changed to AFi mount.  I don't know if the Aptus 65 was ever offered in AFi mount, but I believe the 75 was, so there is some hope (anyone know for certain?).  The AFi-II 7, 10 and 12 are, and so are the new Credo's.  Leaf's Yair Shahar can probably answer this definitively, if you drop him a message.  http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=54519

Bonne chance et bienvenue!


Indeed there was a Leaf AFi 6. It debuted in 2007 and actually cost about $1,800 less than an AFI 5. However, I don't believe Leaf ever offered the ability to have a mount swap to a Leaf AFi mount from a different camera platform (the Sinar eMotion Series Digital Backs for Hy6did offer user changeable interface adapters). The Leaf AFi has a different form factor and the internal electronics are different than the Aptus/Aptus-II series.

That means the only way to get to a Leaf AFi with the 22 or 28 megapixel sensor would be selling/trading your existing Aptus 65 for a used AFi 5/AFi 6/AFi 7/AFi-II 7 (unless you have the pocket for a larger sensor version, then those are available as AFi-II 56/AFi-II 80/Credo AFi 60/Credo AFi 80). Keep in mind though, that your Leaf AFi would no longer mount on your Hassleblad 503CW camera.


Steve Hendrix
Capture Integration
Title: Re: Rollei Hy6 mod2 ..price?
Post by: Guillaumeperret on April 03, 2013, 02:46:57 AM
Thank you very much for the answers. I really appreciate!

Iso is something important for me.
Wich back is the best: Emotion 75 lv or leaf AFi 7?
Title: Re: Rollei Hy6 mod2 ..price?
Post by: henrikfoto on April 03, 2013, 12:49:48 PM
I wonder if the Afi 2 has a focus-confirmation for mf-lenses?

Henrik
Title: Re: Rollei Hy6 mod2 ..price?
Post by: EricWHiss on April 03, 2013, 01:37:05 PM
I wonder if the Afi 2 has a focus-confirmation for mf-lenses?

Henrik

All of the Rollei AF cameras from 6008AF to Hy6 and Hy6 mod2 all have focus confirmation.  Starting with the first model Hy6 the ability to fine tune the focus confirmation for individual lenses via the options menu in the grip called AF Offset was available.   
Title: Re: Rollei Hy6 mod2 ..price?
Post by: EricWHiss on April 03, 2013, 01:41:50 PM
Thank you very much for the answers. I really appreciate!

Iso is something important for me.
Wich back is the best: Emotion 75 lv or leaf AFi 7?


Both are good, but may I recommend you look at the AFi-ii 7 as well?  The AFi-ii 7 has the articulating screen and also the rotating sensor which is truly a wonderful feature on square cameras like the Hy6 and V platforms.   

But if you wish to stay with one of the older backs, look carefully at the software and support available for each since this will make a difference too.

Title: Re: Rollei Hy6 mod2 ..price?
Post by: henrikfoto on April 03, 2013, 02:06:10 PM
Thank you!

Just got the sad news that the IQ 280 will not come in the Afi mount.
Title: Re: Rollei Hy6 mod2 ..price?
Post by: Gigi on April 03, 2013, 03:07:39 PM
I wonder if the Afi 2 has a focus-confirmation for mf-lenses?

Henrik

Eric's answer moved too quickly past this: there is great confirmation for all the MF lenses, allowing all the good PQ lenses from as far back as 1990 to be used and be totally current. Many of us have a stable of these lenses, and the MF lenses are really easy to use with confidence.

As Eric pointed out, there is also the ability to apply individual offsets for each of the lenses, allowing you to "tune" each lens used. While not automatic, it is easily done.

The AFI II 7 is a fine back, and has the rotating option (how do folks live without this?) and a tilting rear screen, so you can shoot in odd ways and see your back screen. While the speed of the newer backs (Credo is available in AFI mount) is desirable, these are two features that are hard to give up.  
Title: Re: Rollei Hy6 mod2 ..price?
Post by: EricWHiss on April 03, 2013, 04:17:03 PM
Thank you!

Just got the sad news that the IQ 280 will not come in the Afi mount.


Not a big deal since, there is a both 80mp Credo and AFi-ii 12 backs available though. If you use the back of the screen a lot, then the Credo might be the best choice, but if you shoot tethered and change orientation then the AFi-ii 12 might be best.   For me, I'm sticking with the AFi-ii 12 until they offer the rotating feature on one of the backs with faster UI.   
Title: Re: Rollei Hy6 mod2 ..price?
Post by: henrikfoto on April 03, 2013, 05:11:49 PM
I am most worried because the new backs are made without support for the Afi.
I would like to change my Aptus-12 with phase adapter to Afi, but that is very expensive..

Now with the IQ280 I can get a good deal, but no Afi...
Title: Re: Rollei Hy6 mod2 ..price?
Post by: bradleygibson on April 03, 2013, 05:17:37 PM
As a former Sinar eMotion 75 owner, I'd recommend taking a look at the AFi-II 7 as Eric suggests.  The workflow with the Sinar was very cumbersome, with the camera outputting files which needed combining in post-processing to function.

At the time, the tools to do the combining would fail after a few dozen images had been processed.

As a current owner of the Leaf AFi-II 10, the ergonomics and workflow are leagues ahead.

And as Geoff points out, the manual focus confirmation on the Hy6 is exceptional.

Hope that helps,
Title: Re: Rollei Hy6 mod2 ..price?
Post by: Gigi on April 03, 2013, 09:16:13 PM
I am most worried because the new backs are made without support for the Afi.
I would like to change my Aptus-12 with phase adapter to Afi, but that is very expensive..

Now with the IQ280 I can get a good deal, but no Afi...

well this is a glass half full or half empty: it depends on how you look at it.

Yes, only Leaf still makes backs for the AFI, but they make a current one, so that is pretty fine.

If you want a half empty glass, then Hassy and Phase don't, but then again, Hassy only makes for Hassy, and Phase never did before so nothing has changed.

If you want to be in the mainstream, then I'd guess a Hassy or a Phase would be better for you, but the capabilities of the Hy6 platform are IMHO superior, even with just the Leaf back as the digital option.
Title: Re: Rollei Hy6 mod2 ..price?
Post by: Lacunapratum on April 03, 2013, 09:47:34 PM
I got eventually used to the Sinarbacks and I am now enjoying the workflow.  They kept on improving Sinar Captureshop and their service has been quite good.  I have three of their eMotion 75 LV by now and I just love the files they produce.  I guess I am also too lazy to learn a new system all over. 
Title: Re: Rollei Hy6 mod2 ..price?
Post by: JV on April 03, 2013, 10:04:34 PM
They kept on improving Sinar Captureshop and their service has been quite good. 

Does Sinar keep on supporting the eMotion backs? 

As far as I know they are not further developing the series anymore with the 75LV being the last one in the series.
Title: Re: Rollei Hy6 mod2 ..price?
Post by: EricWHiss on April 04, 2013, 12:31:19 AM
I think you can still get any of the new Sinar backs in Hy6 Mount and one of them is really neat since its multi-shot.  The issue is that they are reportedly not compatible with the Mod2 version of the Hy6.  Whether this is a licensing issue (and it will work and they just cant say it will) or something more, I don't know.   

Leaf doesn't just make one back for the AFi and AFi mod2,  they actually make several ones you can buy new.  The AFi-ii 10, and AFi-ii 12, plus the different versions of the Credo.   This looks like good support to me.

Title: Re: Rollei Hy6 mod2 ..price?
Post by: Lacunapratum on April 04, 2013, 08:49:40 PM
Fortunately they are still supporting them.  Nice 33MB Dalsa sensor and great tones.  Easy to change platforms.