Luminous Landscape Forum

Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Adobe Lightroom Q&A => Topic started by: Stephane Desnault on December 20, 2012, 03:25:42 pm

Title: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Stephane Desnault on December 20, 2012, 03:25:42 pm
What is your feature wishlist in Lightroom 4 ?

I'll share mine to kick the discussion - I tried to think of real new features, but obviously feel free to chime in about incremental improvements!

1/ AUTOMATIC focus peeking - show me which pictures are sharp and where, straight in grid mode. Allow me to choose the target resolution that defines peeking - some of my D800E pictures are "blurry" if I'm pixel peeping, but perfectly fine for a 10x15cm (4x6in) or for web usage. In survey mode, in many cases, this would allow me to choose the best candidate instantaneously.

2/ State of the art Face Recognition and corresponding auto-keywording - Adobe should just count the number of web articles describing how to leverage Picasa to emulate that in LR...

3/ Still on the subject of automatic recognition, an INTELLIGENT "find similar images" across all a library - academic research on the subject is showing incredible results - let's find some of that in LR4 ?

4/ AUTOMATIC straighten the horizon - Aperture does it, I shouldn't have to draw a line at the horizon or to the side of the building to straighten my picture, those features are visible enough in the photograph most of the time - "just do it".

5/ AUTOMATIC selection of series of consecutive or near consecutive similar images - Aperture does it. It would be great to be able to do that in survey mode, with a key to go from one series to the next.

Re-reading my list, I'm realizing most of the enhancements are addressing the editing workflow, rather than the "develop and process" - it's probably that I really can't see what's missing... I'm on Adobe's Creative Cloud, so, for complex edition jobs, LR4 and Photoshop together have all that I need and (much, much) more.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on December 20, 2012, 05:32:09 pm
See this thread title for some answers :-)

    "When will LR's GUI evolve?"
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Anthony.Ralph on December 20, 2012, 06:36:34 pm
What is your feature wishlist in Lightroom 4 ?


[..]

4/ AUTOMATIC straighten the horizon - Aperture does it, I shouldn't have to draw a line at the horizon or to the side of the building to straighten my picture, those features are visible enough in the photograph most of the time - "just do it".

[..]


But supposing I don't want the (assumed) horizon to be straight? Can't I have a choice?

Anthony.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Scott Hargis on December 20, 2012, 06:43:00 pm
But supposing I don't want the (assumed) horizon to be straight? Can't I have a choice?

Anthony.

Give Lightroom a try -- you'll find that there's no image adjustment that just happens without your opting in first. What Stephane is describing would look like any other "automatic" adjustment in LR -- you'd check a box and then it would happen.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: AFairley on December 20, 2012, 08:27:55 pm
More and better masking capability for spot adjustments.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Rand47 on December 20, 2012, 10:28:59 pm
The ability to erase/mask portions of a gradient.  
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: hugowolf on December 20, 2012, 11:28:12 pm
Cropping and soft proofing in the Print Module. Custom fields for data, or at least somewhere to put the shot date of scanned images.

Brian A
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Don.H on December 20, 2012, 11:59:13 pm
Here's a little incremental one:

Add the ability in Develop to right click on an image in the film strip and specify the Copy Name without having to switch to Library & back (Copy Name is a Metadata field). 

I often create Virtual Copies in Develop to create different versions of an image, then use the Copy Name as part of the file name during exports - this feature would greatly speed up the process of creating and naming Virtual Copies.

This shouldn't be a big change - there are already quite a few commands available by right clicking on the filmstrip.  Beyond my request, other people might value having a more general ability to set a few frequently used Metadata fields by right clicking (for example, from Slideshow if you forgot to set a caption or title).
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: JRSmit on December 21, 2012, 01:54:17 am
Here's a little incremental one:

Add the ability in Develop to right click on an image in the film strip and specify the Copy Name without having to switch to Library & back (Copy Name is a Metadata field). 

I often create Virtual Copies in Develop to create different versions of an image, then use the Copy Name as part of the file name during exports - this feature would greatly speed up the process of creating and naming Virtual Copies.

This shouldn't be a big change - there are already quite a few commands available by right clicking on the filmstrip.  Beyond my request, other people might value having a more general ability to set a few frequently used Metadata fields by right clicking (for example, from Slideshow if you forgot to set a caption or title).
Second this.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Stephane Desnault on December 21, 2012, 02:44:36 am
The ability to erase portions of a gradient. 

+1 on this one - like all good ideas it becomes obvious once you read it! And it's something I've done often by using Photoshop:

- create virtual copy in LR4
- apply gradient (typically, to recover the sky or balance light in an interior shot)
- send initial file and the file with the gradient as layers to photoshop
- mask away foreground elements in photoshop
- flatten and come back to LR4...

Having an erase brush in the gradient panel (just like the one for local adjustments) would save me all that cycle.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Jim Pascoe on December 21, 2012, 02:57:30 am
+1 on this one - like all good ideas it becomes obvious once you read it! And it's something I've done often by using Photoshop:

- create virtual copy in LR4
- apply gradient (typically, to recover the sky or balance light in an interior shot)
- send initial file and the file with the gradient as layers to photoshop
- mask away foreground elements in photoshop
- flatten and come back to LR4...

Having an erase brush in the gradient panel (just like the one for local adjustments) would save me all that cycle.

Can't you just do this with the adjustment brush?  Say you use a gradient for less exposure, then just apply the brush with plus exposure.

Jim
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Stephane Desnault on December 21, 2012, 03:09:24 am
Can't you just do this with the adjustment brush?  Say you use a gradient for less exposure, then just apply the brush with plus exposure.

Jim

In theory yes - except that the brush is not going to be "graduated", making the process more complicated than it should be, you would have to juglle with "flow" or several versions of the brush. Masking in PS is just more convenient - and being able to do it in LR would be just great (that's exactly what an "erase" brush would be doing).
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: stamper on December 21, 2012, 04:08:14 am
Adobe aren't going to give you any of the "advanced" features of PS because there would be less need to buy PS. If they did how much more would you pay for them? A lot of users are wanting less of what is there now because of bloat. Be careful about what you wish for.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: NikoJorj on December 21, 2012, 06:52:03 am
The big one : parametric panorama (or HDR, but I'd prefer panorama first if I had to choose) stitching. That would be a game-changer.

A little one : during import, making the backup copy of the raw files mirror the directory structure of the originals referenced in the catalog, instead of the "Imported on April 34th" heap. That could make the data reconstruction less painful.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Rory on December 21, 2012, 11:34:44 am
Fix performance issues.  After that:

1.  Fix auto mask halos in adjustment brush.
2.  Improve import module preview performance so competitive with almost all previewers like photomechanic.
3.  Fix the catalog bloat issue.
4.  SDK for the Develop module - image pipeline.
5.  Ability to add custom keyboard shortcuts to presets (including cropping presets).
6.  Add a detail enhancement tool with separate controls for shadows, midtones and highlights similar to color efex pro tonal contrast filter.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Kirk Gittings on December 21, 2012, 11:49:27 am
More and better masking capability for spot adjustments.

yes
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Kirk Gittings on December 21, 2012, 11:50:03 am
The ability to erase portions of a gradient. 

++++++++++
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Kirk Gittings on December 21, 2012, 11:57:14 am
I would also like to see something like the spot healing brush from PS in LR. Something that can erase say a hair rather than just a single piece of dust.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Peter McLennan on December 21, 2012, 12:21:28 pm
1) The basic cloning tool from PS.
2) Layers with layer masks.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: alan_b on December 21, 2012, 12:23:17 pm
Better perspective, distortion correction tools:

Ability to draw 2 or 4 lines to be horizontal/vertical would help greatly. 

Skew and one-dimensional scaling would be good as well. 

Ability to specify an offset to distortion and CA correction

Ability to shift the crop area outside the "original" frame when using large corrections, rather than having to scale down the image to fit into the frame.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Stephane Desnault on December 21, 2012, 01:38:32 pm
...
Ability to draw 2 or 4 lines to be horizontal/vertical would help greatly. 
...

+1 - this is available in DXO and really a big time saver
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: digitaldog on December 21, 2012, 01:41:50 pm
1) The basic cloning tool from PS.
2) Layers with layer masks.

Oh, you'll be waiting on that for years <g>. That's why we have Photoshop (a pixel editor).
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Robert-Peter Westphal on December 21, 2012, 03:11:36 pm
Hi,

my wishes are




Best wishes

Robert
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Anthony.Ralph on December 21, 2012, 07:26:38 pm
Give Lightroom a try -- you'll find that there's no image adjustment that just happens without your opting in first. What Stephane is describing would look like any other "automatic" adjustment in LR -- you'd check a box and then it would happen.

I am a regular user of Lightroom - so I have rather more than 'given it a try'. I was questioning the thought that users would like automated horizon straightening to take place - there appeared to be no suggestion about checking boxes by the way And once you start clicking boxes, would it not be just as easy to straighten horizons as we do now?

Anthony.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: kencameron on December 21, 2012, 07:56:35 pm
Adobe aren't going to give you any of the "advanced" features of PS because there would be less need to buy PS
People have been saying this since LR1, while Lightroom's feature set has been steadily increasing and intruding further into PS territory. I see the real constraint as more around what can be done parametrically without excessive processing overheads.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Glenn NK on December 21, 2012, 08:43:15 pm
I'd like:

1)  More control over the gradient tool.  Let's say (for argument) that one could define the number of lines on the image; then by moving the lines closer/farther apart and/or and various angles, the location and amount of the gradient could be adjusted more accurately.

2)  More control over the adjustment brush:  Luminosity and vibrance come to mind immediately, but they don't exist.  The HSL sliders would be very useful with the brush.

I realize that LR is a work in progress, but it's really a great piece of software, and I think it's going to keep improving.

Glenn
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on December 22, 2012, 01:53:07 am
Rand47, I would like to see this also...AND a simply

1. "Duplicate selected gradient" button.
2. When changing an existing watermark, or other settings on Export, have the Update button next to the Save. This way you can do it in one click rather than scroll down to it in the drop down.
3. I like Ron's idea to change Copy files name out of Dev mode. I would go further, and would like docking panels into defined "trays" to be an option(I know, not so popular). This would be undetected unless you specify in preferences to enable "Trays". Drag and drop panles into the tray.
4. Option to launch LR from other DAM apps, browsers or programs to Develop in "temporary" catalogs. This for those that use other cataloging software.
5. I use a 30" screen and I'm not sure how the sliders look on your screens, but they sure are hard to pinpoint and click. All else is fine on my desktop, but in LR (even in CS5) the sliders are hard to work accurately with.

Brush shapes, and stamp/clone would also be great. Masking the Grad would be super. Basically QuickMask.  Yes on renaming shortcuts. How many times am I gonna fumble R/C, M/G
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: manfred1 on December 22, 2012, 02:42:29 am
I would like:
- better PERFORMANCE in develop AND loupe mode, faster loading time, especially when using 2 monitors and 30 inch displays
- less waiting time when using 10+ adjustment brushs, sharpening, noise reduction, grain, and lens correction
- merge files to 32bit with better color rendition than PS HDR Pro & improved 32bit HDR processing in LR
- better masking techniques (auto mask does not work well)
- better/easier manual lens corrections
- profiles for Canon TS-E lenses (entering shift/tilt values (mm/degrees) manually)
- scripting / actions / SDK
- more metadata fields for adding comments (about the development, the image, etc)
- better UI (especially for the second monitor)
- a navigator for the second monitor, consistent handling of multiple selected files on first & second monitor
- better manual keywording techniques, ability to ignore keywords on import
- allow consistent and generic file handling (no separation between folders and collections, allow linux style links in/ACROSS folders and collections, additional real not virtual copying of images/virtual copies/links, etc)
- enhanced information overlay (more lines, more fields, additional positions of overlay, consistent over most modules, etc)
- good archiving features in LR (allow freezing/read-only mode of files, folders, etc), maybe a separation of ongoing and archived stuff

Manfred
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Chris Kern on December 22, 2012, 03:20:10 pm
I've found the web gallery functionality quite useful for quickly providing rudimentary HTTP access to a collection of photographs.  However, the module would function more efficiently if it were possible to update a few images (N < all) and have LR generate only the modified HTML and images instead of re-rendering every photograph.  This assumes, of course, that none of the global gallery parameters had changed.

This, by the way, is an example of how a relatively minor design change could produce a dramatic improvement in apparent performance from the end-user's perspective.  (I've long been a proponent of the software design maxim that it's usually better in the long run to change the algorithm than tune the code.)
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Ronald NZ Tan on December 22, 2012, 05:11:00 pm
If not already mentioned, LR5 should take advantage of OpenCL processing. I am mainly a CaptureONE PRO 7 user and when version 7 introduced OpenCL to processing, my PSDs from Canon 7D gets into PS CS6 FAST! Even when my 7D RAW contain significant, initial edits and adjustments, tapping into OpenCL significantly improves export speed.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: kencameron on December 22, 2012, 05:39:37 pm
I would like an incremental expansion of the functionality of the selection brush - eg so that it covered the HSL/Color/B&W panel.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Peter McLennan on December 23, 2012, 12:35:30 am
Oh, you'll be waiting on that for years <g>. That's why we have Photoshop (a pixel editor).

Heh.  Just thought I'd give it a shot.  :)

How about more flexibility in the Book Module?  Like larger books ?
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: NikoJorj on December 23, 2012, 07:15:32 am
How about more flexibility in the Book Module?  Like larger books ?
Oh, I thought this was a given! Yes, larger books, and mostly more customizable page templates - being able to make the picture or text containers larger (and not only smaller) would be very practical.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: kim on December 23, 2012, 10:46:39 am
Simple way of inverting an image (as in making a photo of a b/w negative into a positive image)
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Glenn NK on December 23, 2012, 12:18:10 pm
I would like an incremental expansion of the functionality of the selection brush - eg so that it covered the HSL/Color/B&W panel.

Yes, that's my wish too (and also Vibrance).

But I suspect that they're working on it already.

Glenn
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: walter.sk on December 23, 2012, 12:38:03 pm
A little one : during import, making the backup copy of the raw files mirror the directory structure of the originals referenced in the catalog, instead of the "Imported on April 34th" heap. That could make the data reconstruction less painful.
Definitely!  I have backup drives that are duplicates of my data drives, and after an import I have to sync them.  It would be easier and more secure to have dupes of my raw files go to the backup drives as suggested above.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: walter.sk on December 23, 2012, 12:40:59 pm
Fix performance issues.  After that:
6.  Add a detail enhancement tool with separate controls for shadows, midtones and highlights similar to color efex pro tonal contrast filter.
+1. Also similar to Topaz Denoise, which has more control than ACR/LR Detail denoising.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: walter.sk on December 23, 2012, 12:42:58 pm
Better perspective, distortion correction tools:
Ability to shift the crop area outside the "original" frame when using large corrections, rather than having to scale down the image to fit into the frame.
+1
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: hokuahi on December 23, 2012, 03:18:22 pm
A small request, but being able to have an image in multiple collections would be nice.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Tony Jay on December 23, 2012, 04:24:07 pm
A small request, but being able to have an image in multiple collections would be nice.

This is probably a misuse of terminology but images can already be in multiple collections.

Tony Jay
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Tony Jay on December 23, 2012, 04:45:23 pm
Ability to shift the crop area outside the "original" frame when using large corrections, rather than having to scale down the image to fit into the frame.

There is a solution to this already - something that I only became aware of recently.
In the lens correction subpanel the last of the transform sliders is scale.
Reducing the scale reduces the image size while keeping the canvas size the same.
This allows cropping outside the "original" frame.

Tony Jay
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: alan_b on December 23, 2012, 05:30:21 pm
Ability to shift the crop area outside the "original" frame when using large corrections, rather than having to scale down the image to fit into the frame.

There is a solution to this already - something that I only became aware of recently.
In the lens correction subpanel the last of the transform sliders is scale.
Reducing the scale reduces the image size while keeping the canvas size the same.
This allows cropping outside the "original" frame.

I'd like to eliminate this downsampling workaround.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Tony Jay on December 23, 2012, 05:42:26 pm
I'd like to eliminate this downsampling workaround.

You may have a point there Alan.

Tony Jay
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: PeterAit on December 23, 2012, 08:09:21 pm
1) More intuitive print module for making precisely sized single prints.
2) When printing on roll paper, where the paper width is fixed, the ability to automatically have the paper length be X inches more than needed to accommodate the image.
3) In collections, the ability to display the number of unique images as well as the total number of images. In other words, the original image, any edited TIFFs from Photoshop, virtual copies, proofed copies, etc. would all together count as 1 image.
4) A way to stop screen elements from automatically appearing and disappearing based on mouse position (this is maddening!).
5) A help screen that can pop up in a separate window listing all of the many keyboard shortcuts and modifiers.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on December 23, 2012, 08:17:50 pm
manfred...I too use dual 30" screens and just recently added a number of separate catalogs into 1 larger catalog and I already feel the performance hit! So much for that idea.

So, unless LR is serious about DAM managment, I agree th performance MUST be delt with. I honestly don't know how that is possible when 1 application is doing the job of 2 programs that are both content heavy.  So I either need to see a boost in performance that would marginally smooth things over until the catalog gets larger and slows again, or Option to have LR Launch via a DAm application and deal only as a "temporary catalog".  (AS A UNDETECTED OPTION)

This would split the lag of the change from one app to another, as the resources may be alike to some degree(Not necessarily), but demand to switch is independent.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on December 23, 2012, 08:22:28 pm
Can we compile these suggestions and vote on them with a importance rating?  I think that would be interesting. I don't always agree with the popular vote (specifically judging photos :-P, but worth seeing. Perhaps we can get a rating from general users and some users that are seasoned in the area of image-making/studio needs/photo retouchers/ photo business/event/commercial. etc...
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Tony Jay on December 23, 2012, 08:25:24 pm
Its a good thought Phil, but he who gets the vision gets the job...

Tony Jay
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: PeterAit on December 23, 2012, 09:17:46 pm
1) More intuitive print module for making precisely sized single prints.
2) When printing on roll paper, where the paper width is fixed, the ability to automatically have the paper length be X inches more than needed to accommodate the image.
3) In collections, the ability to display the number of unique images as well as the total number of images. In other words, the original image, any edited TIFFs from Photoshop, virtual copies, proofed copies, etc. would all together count as 1 image.
4) A way to stop screen elements from automatically appearing and disappearing based on mouse position (this is maddening!).
5) A help screen that can pop up in a separate window listing all of the many keyboard shortcuts and modifiers.

Just discovered that #5 is al;ready done - ctrl+/
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: ErikKaffehr on December 24, 2012, 02:44:21 am
Hi,

One issue I have is that shortcuts work differently on international keyboards, for instance Ctrl+/ is "set label to yellow" on my keyboard.

Best regards
Erik


Just discovered that #5 is al;ready done - ctrl+/
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: stamper on December 24, 2012, 03:37:27 am
You may have a point there Alan.

Tony Jay

I wasn't aware you could downsample something that isn't measured in pixels? You learn something new everyday. :)
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Tony Jay on December 24, 2012, 03:54:01 am
I wasn't aware you could downsample something that isn't measured in pixels? You learn something new everyday. :)

I am not sure whether there is a downsampling or not - I still need to check.
I was acknowledging the possibility that Alan is right - and he might be.

Tony Jay
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Tony Jay on December 24, 2012, 06:52:42 am
I am not sure whether there is a downsampling or not - I still need to check.
I was acknowledging the possibility that Alan is right - and he might be.

Gentlemen I have clarification.
Using the scale slider can change the subsequent size of the image in pixel dimensions (this is what Alan was trying to tell us).
One could use the term 'downsampling' to describe this but as far as I can determine downsampling is reserved for output purposes only (Alan's use of the term 'downsampling' may not be strictly correct but perhaps one of the guru's may care to arbitrate here).

Thank's to Allen for raising the issue.

Tony Jay
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: hokuahi on December 24, 2012, 11:10:17 am
This is probably a misuse of terminology but images can already be in multiple collections.

Tony Jay

Yes, I do that by creating virtual copies of the image I want. Is there a better way?
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: madmanchan on December 24, 2012, 11:15:28 am
Just directly drag images (without creating virtual copies) into multiple collections.  You can do this for as many collections as you want.

If you edit the image (e.g., change Exposure setting) while in one collection, you will see that edit reflected properly when visiting all of the other collections that also contain this image.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: digitaldog on December 24, 2012, 11:37:41 am
Yes, larger books, and mostly more customizable page templates - being able to make the picture or text containers larger (and not only smaller) would be very practical.

Books that are currently not supported by Blurb? IOW, isn't Lightroom somewhat limited to what it can send to Blurb? I have to wonder if Adobe will:

1. Provide other internal uploading and processing of books within LR to suppliers who may have better, more flexible printers.
2. Would they provide output to PDF using templates that Blurb can't support? If so, at least we could export to these sizes assuming some book provider would handle a PDF in the color space output.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Tony Jay on December 24, 2012, 04:41:24 pm
Yes, I do that by creating virtual copies of the image I want. Is there a better way?
Just directly drag images (without creating virtual copies) into multiple collections.  You can do this for as many collections as you want.

If you edit the image (e.g., change Exposure setting) while in one collection, you will see that edit reflected properly when visiting all of the other collections that also contain this image.

Lightroom is not the same as boxes under your bed.
There is no need to duplicate (by making virtual copies) to put images in different collections.
In computer speak all a collection is, is a bunch of pointers pointing back to the original image location.
A single image (as Eric explicitly explains) can belong to as many collections as you like.
Any edits made to an image will subsequently be reflected when that image is selected via any of the collections of which it is a member.
So, virtual copies are only helpful if you are doing different edits (say colour versus black&white) on the same image but completely redundant for the purpose of ensuring membership of a collection.

Hope this explanation helps.

Tony Jay
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Don.H on December 24, 2012, 10:51:10 pm
A few suggestions to make image metadata more usable:

1) Using Metadata in Library functions
Current situation:  The LR filter, smart collection, and file renaming mechanisms all allow access to subsets of EXIF/IPTC metadata - but the subsets are incomplete & different (examples - you can use "Headline" in a file name but not as filter or smart collection parameter and you can't use "Event" in any of them). 
It would be helpful to either allow access from each of these functions to any EXIF or IPTC field, or, if that is too cumbersome (too many fields), then allow the user to define a preference for the subset of fields that would be available to the functions. 
For example, if you use Caption, Title, Headline, and Event, then you should be able to access each of these fields in the Filter, Smart Collection criteria, and file renaming.

2) User defined MetaData Field Lists (customizing which MetaData fields show up in the Metadata Panel) - I've found web articles showing how to create these lists - it would be a minor change for Adobe to officially document and support this capability.

3) Add a command to bulk edit metadata for selected pictures - most importantly the ability to copy or move data from one field to another (I'm probably not the only person who has used fields inconsistently from year to year).  Even better would be a bulk edit function to fill or modify field contents based on other metadata for the image (something like the custom filename dialog in export).

I'm starting to look at John Beardsworth's "Search Replace Transfer" plugin which appears to solve items 1 & 3 - but these are important capabilities which should be built into Lightroom and supported by Adobe

4) This might be a stretch, but the same sort of metadata flexibility in text fields in all of the output modules.  Allow the use of any metadata field (as in #1) or constructed fields (like the file name dialog) to fill text boxes in Book, Slideshow, Web, and Print.  Even better if we could define multiple text boxes and multi-line text to better label pictures in Slideshow, Web, and Print (for contact sheets).

As more users' catalogs grow into the 10K's of images and more, the need to manage and clean up metadata will only become more important.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on December 25, 2012, 12:09:16 am
I heartily second the motion for Don.H's suggestions.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Tony Jay on December 25, 2012, 02:27:43 am
I heartily second the motion for Don.H's suggestions.

ditto
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: hokuahi on December 25, 2012, 09:43:36 am


Hope this explanation helps.

Tony Jay

It does.. For some reason I am having trouble adding only certain images and I need to go back an re-create that. 

But, what I think I am trying to say is that I want the Collections to function in a more hierarchical manner. Unless I am again missing something, right now I can only create a nested collection inside a Collection Set. I can't create a 'sub-collection' inside that second, nested set, I have to create that sub-collection next to my nested Collection. Kind of like Folders>Sub Folders>Sub, Sub Folders, etc.

Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: AlfSollund on December 25, 2012, 01:09:13 pm
Improved signatures & text adding on export.

Better file handling following folder structure such as the ability to have folder (hierarchy) structures on collections and be able to export/publish (sync) with same folder structure. In fact I would also like to be able to filter/find on exported, and make collections based on exported.

Also to be able to "link" files with same name  but different extortions so that when I delete  one file the corresponding files are also deleted. Would save me some time.

Would like some kind of version control (make new virtual version).
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Tony Jay on December 25, 2012, 06:14:11 pm
It does.. For some reason I am having trouble adding only certain images and I need to go back an re-create that. 

But, what I think I am trying to say is that I want the Collections to function in a more hierarchical manner. Unless I am again missing something, right now I can only create a nested collection inside a Collection Set. I can't create a 'sub-collection' inside that second, nested set, I have to create that sub-collection next to my nested Collection. Kind of like Folders>Sub Folders>Sub, Sub Folders, etc.

I think you may need to do some more reading around metadata, keywords and collections, smart collections.
It seems to me that you are trying to use a powerdrill as a hammer.
It may sort of work some of the time, sort of, but really it is still best used as a powerdrill rather than a hammer.
So what I am trying to say is that you should not be needing to deeply nest collections in the manner of folder structures and collections are not really designed to be used thus - because it isn't necessary.
I think your workflow needs a redesign that actually takes advantage of the strengths of Lightroom.

Get yourself the video tutorial, "Where the @#$% are my Pictures" available on this website.
Although the whole video deals with much broader issues it does give an excellent primer on the sorts of issues that are giving you such headaches.
Also, if you do have further questions to raise it might be best to start a new thread since this one is dealing with a wishlist for Lr5 and your questions revolve around workflow issues in the Library module.

Tony Jay
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: DesertAura on December 25, 2012, 10:54:17 pm
1. Healing brush (more advanced than a single spot healer or clone tool)

2. Freestyle watermarking. What I mean by that is the ability to change a saved watermark (e.g., position, color, size, opacity) for an exported image without having to Save it as a new watermark every time. That way, I could have fewer saved watermarks, based mainly on font style, and I could customize the position, size, etc. each time I export an image.

3. Ability to put multi-line text on photos. I know I'm probably a lone ranger in wanting this, but I put text on photos a lot (mostly for my church; scripture quotes and such). Applying text is about the only thing that I still have to go into Photoshop Elements for and I'd like to be able to do it in Lightroom.

Bev
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: aduke on December 26, 2012, 12:00:28 am


3. Ability to put multi-line text on photos. I know I'm probably a lone ranger in wanting this, but I put text on photos a lot (mostly for my church; scripture quotes and such). Applying text is about the only thing that I still have to go into Photoshop Elements for and I'd like to be able to do it in Lightroom.

Bev


No, you're not the only one. My wife likes to make cards of her photos. A better way to add text, either to the image or in another image space next to it would be wonderful.

Alan
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on December 26, 2012, 02:00:21 am
Quote
2. Freestyle watermarking. What I mean by that is the ability to change a saved watermark (e.g., position, color, size, opacity) for an exported image without having to Save it as a new watermark every time. That way, I could have fewer saved watermarks, based mainly on font style, and I could customize the position, size, etc. each time I export an image


This is already available, although the placement can be more useful.  It is in the drop down list. If you look at the bottom of that list you will see Update Setting, or something of the sort. It will do just that.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: DesertAura on December 26, 2012, 07:44:42 am
Thanks, Phil. I can't wait to try that. Is it a recent addition? Please don't tell me it has been there all along.  :)

Bev
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: PeterAit on December 26, 2012, 10:22:43 am
So what I am trying to say is that you should not be needing to deeply nest collections in the manner of folder structures and collections are not really designed to be used thus - because it isn't necessary.


I disagree that nesting collections is not needed. I would find it very useful. For example, I am currently printing a large show. I put alll the photos in a collection. As I print them I'd like to be able to move them to a sub-collection. Then, when they are successfully framed and are ready to hang, move them to another sub-collection. Of course, the parent collection should not show the images in the sub-collections.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: walter.sk on December 26, 2012, 12:04:25 pm
...As I print them I'd like to be able to move them to a sub-collection. Then, when they are successfully framed and are ready to hang, move them to another sub-collection. Of course, the parent collection should not show the images in the sub-collections.

I use the purple label for those I've printed, and it's quick and easy to filter for them.  The rating carries over to the collections, as well.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Bryan Conner on December 26, 2012, 12:55:39 pm
A small request, but being able to have an image in multiple collections would be nice.

I have some images in 3 collections.  I did not know there was a limit to how many collections an image can be in.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: John Caldwell on December 26, 2012, 01:54:48 pm
I use the purple label for those I've printed, and it's quick and easy to filter for them.

Good idea. I wish we could search the History states for any image that had been Printed. Does anyone know how difficult, from a programming standpoint, that searching History states would be?

John Caldwell
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Tony Jay on December 26, 2012, 03:06:03 pm
I have some images in 3 collections.  I did not know there was a limit to how many collections an image can be in.

There isn't.

Tony Jay
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Tony Jay on December 26, 2012, 03:10:37 pm
Peter, using smart collections I can see a way to achieve your goals using private keywords that act as controllers for both negative and positive criteria for the smart collections.
I also fully acknowledge not completely understanding your workflow of course.

By the way, Good Luck with your show!

Tony Jay
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Tedd on December 28, 2012, 07:01:13 pm
How about a single key that displays the current image full screen.  This is a feature of most image processing software.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: stamper on December 29, 2012, 03:47:30 am
How about a single key that displays the current image full screen.  This is a feature of most image processing software.

                                                                             TAB?
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: john beardsworth on December 29, 2012, 04:24:08 am
                                                                             TAB?
Which just hides the left and right panel and leaves you in whatever view you're in, such as grid view.

E, Shift+Tab, FF
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Rhossydd on December 29, 2012, 04:32:43 am
E, Shift+Tab, FF
Which is four key strokes. It works, but it's not what our new member was suggesting.

Welcome Fred, good suggestion.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: john beardsworth on December 29, 2012, 04:44:28 am
Which is four key strokes. It works, but it's not what our new member was suggesting.

"Check out the big brain on Brad"?
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: stamper on December 29, 2012, 05:35:44 am
Which just hides the left and right panel and leaves you in whatever view you're in, such as grid view.


E, Shift+Tab, FF

How much bigger can the screen get using your suggestions rather than TAB. I tried your suggestions - Rhossyd was correct about the four keystrokes - and none of them made the screen larger than using TAB.  ::)
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: stamper on December 29, 2012, 05:37:02 am
"Check out the big brain on Brad"?

Care to elaborate further?
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Rhossydd on December 29, 2012, 05:54:31 am
none of them made the screen larger than using TAB.  ::)
That depends on the screen state you start from.
E- forces a single image to the screen in loupe mode as large as possible > shift tab- removes all panels, both at the sides and top and bottom > FF makes the application full screen with no window controls or menus.

Yes, Fred's right, one keystroke to do all of this would be nice, but it won't seem so important to people working with big screens.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: stamper on December 29, 2012, 06:12:41 am


Yes, Fred's right, one keystroke to do all of this would be nice, but it won't seem so important to people working with big screens.
[/quote]

but you would have to pick the viewing mode first which would mean more than one keystroke? In develop mode I don't see a better solution than TAB? ;)
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: john beardsworth on December 29, 2012, 06:13:03 am
"Care to elaborate further?" It's irony. Was it not patently obvious 4 keystrokes wasn't what Fred suggested? Wow, the world was crying out for that fact to be pointed out. Hence the line from Pulp Fiction.

Just try your tab suggestion when you are in grid, loupe or compare view. On its own, tab is insufficient as it will only hide the side panels - the top and bottom might remain visible, the menu and application window too. So depending on how many of these are shown when you want a single image as big as possible, you could currently need as many as 4 keystrokes to get to a full screen.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Rhossydd on December 29, 2012, 06:34:04 am
but you would have to pick the viewing mode first which would mean more than one keystroke? In develop mode I don't see a better solution than TAB? ;)
No, I think Fred's idea is one single keystroke to bring an image absolutely full screen with no interface clutter at all. Hopefully flip flopping back to where you where with a second press.
It really could be a more comprehensive solution than tab which still can leave a lot of screen clutter.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: john beardsworth on December 29, 2012, 06:41:45 am
A single keystroke would be helpful, though I'd be happy enough to lose the impromptu slideshow and re-use its Ctrl Enter / Cmd Enter.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Anthony.Ralph on December 29, 2012, 07:30:04 pm
How much bigger can the screen get using your suggestions rather than TAB. I tried your suggestions - Rhossyd was correct about the four keystrokes - and none of them made the screen larger than using TAB.  ::)

Well, shift|TAB minimises all four panels and *does* make the image fill the screen (more or less, subject to the crop shape of course), with the FF expanding the images to full screen mode. Certainly bigger than just TAB.

The E John mentions just puts the image into loupe view and would apply even with just TAB. If we want to work our fingers to the bone we could go LL as well, to activate 'lights out' mode as well :-)
Anthony.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on December 29, 2012, 08:18:12 pm
Have you tried LL?
Works good enough for my needs. Fit or Fill, and its zero clutter.

I don't find use for my needs to fill the screen edge to edge.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: alan_b on December 30, 2012, 12:33:03 am
I've seen this mentioned before, and it trips me up often:

A Quit confirmation/cancel would be helpful.  On a Mac, it's easy to hit Cmd-Q when aiming for Cmd-Tab to switch applications.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: hjulenissen on December 30, 2012, 03:22:42 am
The big selling-point of Lightroom for me is that is minimize the tedious, monotone actions needed by me to develop large series of raw files into good-looking, well-organized digital libraries. My suggestions are primarily in order to improve on this main benefit.

/* consumer-style features */
+ Facial/Motif recognition would be great. I'll happily tag my first 100 pictures, but if those faces are recognized in other pictures, why not suggest the same tag?
+ Instead of presenting an import as a chronological list of 100s of images, I'd like some smartness in presenting the "likely" good shots first. Focus/camera-shake, over/under-exposure, open/closed eyes etc.
+ Some modules seem overly constrained. Why do I resort to MS Paint occasionally for simple things like putting two images side-by-side in an image, instead of wading through endless options in the LR book module with seemingly pointless e.g. margins enforced upon me?
+ an iOS/Android lightroom-"light" app. Should give access to catalogs shared on a NAS, the ability to search and view images in a UI familiar to LR users. Additional points for being able to rate and tag images on the device, but no need for the full develop module, and images could be pre-rendered by the PC/Mac to jpegs if necessary.
+ Ability to keep source folder (sub) structure when exporting.

/* enthusiast features */
+ 2nd monitor should zoom in on an area defined by the active AF points. I see myself manually doing this all of the time to check focus of e.g. eyes in portraits
+ The ability to combine images into one edited logical image (HDR, side-by-side, layers, etc)
+ add "skin tone" to the wb picker
+ The possibility for true raw histogram and exposure correction (switch early stages of processing pipeline to camera native "colorspace"?)

More snappiness, exploit GPUs if that makes sense. Enthusiasts may have 8+ cores, 256-bit SIMD, large and fast flash drives. How well does LR exploit this? How well will it in the future?

-h
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Stephane Desnault on December 30, 2012, 05:06:46 am
@hjulenissen

+1 on all your suggestions - Image recognition software today is definitely smart enough to find common defects like camera shakes and red eyes - taking advantage of that should be part of the library features to pinpoint shots with or without likely issues, and we should be able to correct them semi-automatically in the develop module (without being forced to do it obviously).
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Rhossydd on December 30, 2012, 05:16:25 am
Enthusiasts may have 8+ cores, 256-bit SIMD, large and fast flash drives. How well does LR exploit this?
It's not a question of if it exploits this sort of power, it absolutely needs it. LR will use every morsel of performance in your hard drives when searching and scrolling in the library, similarly CPUs hit 100% utilisation regularly in the develop module and if all other parts of the system keep up will keep all cores at 100% when exporting big batches of files.
But yes the GPU sits doing SFA, whilst the rest of the system is trashing away.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Rhossydd on December 30, 2012, 05:19:30 am
To get back to the original post;
Most of this was discussed when LR4 was first released and ultimately discussions like this here are pretty futile. Although they do have a habit of revealing that many people want features that are already available, but they haven't discovered them yet.

If you want something added, tell Adobe directly. Unfortunately the system for doing this isn't as convenient as it could be, each individual suggestion has to be made separately which is tiresome and awkward if some requests are dependant on others.

With respect to the OP's five requests;
I don't want "automatic" anything. In my experience auto features just get things wrong or not quite right, so I don't want resources wasted on things I'll just switch off.

Below are the suggestions I've sent to Adobe since LR4 was released;

General
A global history option; A list of what files have recently been written to in or used and in which module.
Use the GPU power of high end graphic cards.

Library module
This module is almost perfect but there are two areas where significant improvements can be made;
Keywording:-
1. Significantly increasing the number of the keyword suggestion options (buttons). This would ideally be user configurable to account for different screen sizes.
2. Increasing the number of keywords allowable in a set and increasing the number of buttons to accommodate this.
3. Having the option of a third keywording panel. This would allow suggestions/recent/sets to all be easily accessible.
4. The ability to select and add a complete set of keywords with one click.

Develop module

The ability to split the colour temperature control to give different values in different tonal ranges (shadows/midtones/highlights)

Local adjustments:-
Adjustment Brush;
Move “show selected mask overlay” option to mask control drop down box. (like ACR)
Add buttons to change overlay colour (maybe two pre-configured options). (like ACR)
Add HSL range of options.
Gradient Mask;
Add overlay provision as above.
Add HSL options.
It would also be nice to partially erase areas of the mask using the adjustment brush.

History
Add an indication of where in the history a “before” state is being shown from. (Emboldening the text of the state or an added asterisk would help this)
The ability to delete one edit from the history without removing everything since and/or the option to edit that history state. Surely not an issue with parametric edits ?


Book module

This absolutely needs the ability to work without templates, using custom layouts and custom sizes.
The ability to place text boxes freely anywhere on the page with any orientation.
The ability to save new custom layouts as templates.
A page numbering option.
Improved text handling.
A History panel.
The ability view other collections whilst working on a book and to drag images from any collection straight onto the page and have them added to the book's own collection.

Print module

The ability to place text boxes freely anywhere on the page (as above)


Plus fixing the bugs
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: hjulenissen on December 30, 2012, 10:06:16 am
It's not a question of if it exploits this sort of power, it absolutely needs it.
If LR is threaded by at most 2 or 4 or 6, then it IS a question if it exploits it. If LR cannot currently use more than 6 threads, it does not _need_ 8 cores (but one might argue, like you, that the software should have been written in such a way that it could use 8 cores more effectively. We dont know the low-level structure of the compute-bound algorithms in LR, though. Some problems are notoriously difficult/impossible to thread.)
Quote
LR will use every morsel of performance in your hard drives when searching and scrolling in the library, similarly CPUs hit 100% utilisation regularly in the develop module and if all other parts of the system keep up will keep all cores at 100% when exporting big batches of files.
But yes the GPU sits doing SFA, whilst the rest of the system is trashing away.
The question is if porting parts of the image processing to the GPU is worth it in terms of:
-Additional bugs (larger test-matrix, lower-level programming language, buggy GPU drivers)
-Slower development
-Algorithmic constraints due to limited GPU features

I do not claim to know what Adobe should do, but I think it is a relevant question.

-h
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Rhossydd on December 30, 2012, 11:25:31 am
If LR is threaded by at most 2 or 4 or 6,
I see all 8 cores at full utilisation when importing/exporting and momentarily when doing CPU intensive tasks in develop.

Adobe have a decent track record of using GPU power in PS & PP so maybe different teams need to help each other.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Bryan Conner on December 31, 2012, 12:03:32 am


5.  Ability to add custom keyboard shortcuts to presets (including cropping presets).



+1
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: ihv on January 03, 2013, 06:59:24 am
Number 1 for me: healing brush (better yet content aware) in development module.

I believe this has also been requested by many in Adobe forums.




Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Tony Jay on January 03, 2013, 07:10:13 am
Possibly already requested:
An easy way to import and export collection sets as sets.

Currently the only way that I know to do this is as a catalog export/import step.

Tony Jay
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Scott Hargis on January 03, 2013, 12:58:35 pm
How about the ability to generate a text file containing selected metadata for a group of images? I normally list out the file names of the images that I'm delivering (on the invoice, for example) and it's a bit tedious to have to type them out by hand. If LR could generate a list of the file names that I could then copy/paste into other documents, it'd be a great time-saver.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: john beardsworth on January 03, 2013, 01:04:24 pm
Take a look at my ListView plugin, Scott.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Scott Hargis on January 03, 2013, 01:21:52 pm
Just purchased. Thanks, John!
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: john beardsworth on January 03, 2013, 01:41:11 pm
I try my best not to be too mercenary!

John
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on January 03, 2013, 02:12:39 pm
I know some folks like to keep all images on one drive or RAID of drives. I like to physically keep my stock images separate from my personal/family images. So they are on different drives. So I have the "Family&Stock" catalog, the physical content are on different drives...

Almost always, at the end of a day of a family hike or some outdoor fun, I end up with images that I took for Stock, and images for my Family....

I would love a multiple destination Import option added.

I'd like to be able to select a group of images from the card and drag them to the destination panel. It should prompt with all the statistics and a confirmation to the destination along with a Keywords to tailor for that group of images(panel should have the other standard options also). And then select another group of images to copy over to the other destination drive, make adjustments as you would on right panel, and confirm, then hit import....Go get a cup of tea. 

Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: GeraldB on January 03, 2013, 05:37:57 pm
Quote
Print module

The ability to place text boxes freely anywhere on the page (as above)

+1

in addition the font size should be reproducible and predictable
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Rhossydd on January 03, 2013, 06:19:16 pm
I'd like to be able to select a group of images from the card and drag them to the destination panel.
It's just as easy to do that from the library module after they're imported. Why add more complication to the import process ?
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Wayne Fox on January 03, 2013, 06:38:06 pm
I've seen this mentioned before, and it trips me up often:

A Quit confirmation/cancel would be helpful.  On a Mac, it's easy to hit Cmd-Q when aiming for Cmd-Tab to switch applications.
would be nice ... maybe the backup dialog box with a cancel which lets  you stay in LR.  I accidentally hit command q at least once a week when tabbing back and forth to photoshop.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: DaveCurtis on January 03, 2013, 07:15:08 pm
HDR and pano stitching would be number one on my list.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on January 03, 2013, 07:16:23 pm
Quote
It's just as easy to do that from the library module after they're imported. Why add more complication to the import process ?

I don't think it is just as easy or even as efficient, but ...true, you can do it later in Lib mode...and adding it may complicate it for new users...That's the entire point and job of GUI functionality implementation.
It does help take a number of steps before the import while freeing your time as it loads. Not critical, but you do get a smile on your face as you automate the process and thank Adobe for it AND walk away for a capuccino that you can take extra care and time to make proper micro foam.
That alone should be reason enough!

Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: dreed on January 05, 2013, 02:24:32 am
Better perspective, distortion correction tools:

Ability to draw 2 or 4 lines to be horizontal/vertical would help greatly.

+1 - better keystone correction.

I'd like to go one further than "draw lines" and be able to "select an edge or line" in the picture.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: dreed on January 05, 2013, 04:03:43 am
LR5 changes I'd like to see:

- ability to use all of the develop tools whilst zoomed in. Currently some, such as the level tool, cannot be used whilst zoomed in.

- ability to adjust the watermark and see a real time update of how the final image will look. perhaps include watermark as part of develop?

- searching and filtering based on any metadata, including topics such as focal length and aperture
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: lmwacctg on January 05, 2013, 10:21:28 am
I find LR4 quite an amazing program as it stands today. Kudos to the development team.

I could use ONE button, however, the "Develop it and Print it Like Jeff" button.

"One button to rule them all, One button to find them, One button to bring them all and in the darkness print them all!"


Don  :)
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: hugowolf on January 05, 2013, 11:46:02 am
LR5 changes I'd like to see
- searching and filtering based on any metadata, including topics such as focal length and aperture
This can already be done.

Brian A
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: john beardsworth on January 05, 2013, 12:01:44 pm
This can already be done.
Brian A
Not really. Only a limited number of fields are available for filtering.

John
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Robert Boire on January 05, 2013, 12:30:23 pm
Develop Module

Make history easier to use and more intuitive. Part of my motivation is that I use virtual copies extensively particularly when I want to branch off from a series of edits that I am satisfied with. Specifically:

- Date stamp each entry (not just prints and exports) in the history
- Allow the user to clean-up history by selectively clearing entries to reduce history bloat. For example once I am satisfied
with changes made with an adjustment brush - which can lead to a phenomenal number of small changes-  I would like to remove (or at least collpase) all related entries from the history. Also I am perhaps not necessarily interested in recording prints or exports in my history.
- Provide the equivalent of CRTL-Z that works exclusively in the develop module starting with the last entry. Right now if you make a change and then move between modules or visualize different entries in your history it may require a lot of CRTL-Z's before you get back to the last entry in the develop module.

- Order snapshots chronologically (like history entries)
- Indicate in the history of the parent image (not just the virtual copy) that a virtual image has been created and when.
- When applying a snapshot, apply it only to the selected image and not all the virtual copies
- Make all above optional for people that don't want to use it

Slide Show

- Allow manual advance using mouse instead of/in addition to keyboard
- Show color labels and flags in addition to ratings
- Allow user to change ratings, labels and flags directly from slide show
NB: The slide show in Zoom Browser from Canon support all of the above.

Film Strip

-Show the full file path in the filmstrip module. Allow navigation by selecting any element in the path name (like Windows 7)


-Put all of the above in the next release of LR4 :)
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: hugowolf on January 05, 2013, 12:47:09 pm
Not really. Only a limited number of fields are available for filtering.
John
But aperture and focal length are two of them.

Brian A
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: john beardsworth on January 05, 2013, 02:54:20 pm
Yes, but that was only part of the sentence. The poster said "any metadata".
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: dreed on January 05, 2013, 11:42:41 pm
Better multi-monitor support. For example
- let me use the secondary monitor as the "work screen" and the primary as the the live loupe, etc.
- let me use the entire "other" monitor for image review with no menu at the top or line at the bottom whilst in Develop
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Eli Burakian on January 06, 2013, 12:34:03 am
I would love a multiple destination Import option added.

+1 I need this all the time.  I go from different shoots, and do personal and work shoots all the time, and hate having to re-import each set of images separately.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Wills on January 06, 2013, 04:12:22 am
The ability to see what makes up a preset and being able to add or subtract a value or values without trashing the whole preset.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Tony Jay on January 06, 2013, 04:22:52 am
The ability to see what makes up a preset and being able to add or subtract a value or values without trashing the whole preset.

Actually you can!

Find the presets folder and go into subfolders and files.
You can open individual presets in Notepad so you can see exactly what the settings are.
As long as you know what changes you want you can edit the settings and resave.

Tony Jay
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Wills on January 06, 2013, 04:26:17 am
Yes Tony that's what I do but hardly an integrated solution is it, the check box dialogue should show the components of the preset and al you to modify any parameter without affecting others, this should go down to individual items like HSL channels rather than the whole range of settings.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Wills on January 06, 2013, 04:28:33 am
Print layout having the capability to drag a trim point into position.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Tony Jay on January 06, 2013, 04:29:17 am
Well that is a whole different issue.
The original question does have an answer though.

Tony Jay
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: john beardsworth on January 06, 2013, 06:14:53 am
Oh but that's such a geek's solution, Tony. Why for example shouldn't a preset's settings be visible in a tooltip?
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Wills on January 06, 2013, 07:28:03 am
Well that is a whole different issue.
The original question does have an answer though.

Tony Jay
:D just not the answer I wanted  ;)
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: stamper on January 06, 2013, 08:43:30 am
I am wondering if Jeff & Eric are monitoring this thread and having a quiet chuckle about all these requests, thinking that the posters have about a 1% chance of getting any/all of the requests implemented. Likewise the engineers are having nightmares and sleepless nights because the head of the department has called them up and demanded that all of the requests should be implemented and the bloat should be cut in half into the bargain. Meanwhile despite the costs being doubled the marketing department has been ordered to cut the price by 30% and double the turnover revenue.  ;) :)
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: madmanchan on January 06, 2013, 02:03:27 pm
I have certainly read all the requests in this thread, but most of them are outside my direct line of work.   ;)
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: NikoJorj on January 06, 2013, 04:15:09 pm
2) When printing on roll paper, where the paper width is fixed, the ability to automatically have the paper length be X inches more than needed to accommodate the image.
This one is a pet peeve of mine since I bought a R1800 5 years ago, but alas! It seems it needs too much interaction with the print driver.
Maybe do RIPs work like that?

The LR filter, smart collection, and file renaming mechanisms all allow access to subsets of EXIF/IPTC metadata - but the subsets are incomplete & different (examples - you can use "Headline" in a file name but not as filter or smart collection parameter and you can't use "Event" in any of them). 
It would be helpful to either allow access from each of these functions to any EXIF or IPTC field, [...]
Oh, yes!
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Schewe on January 06, 2013, 05:04:06 pm
I am wondering if Jeff & Eric are monitoring this thread and having a quiet chuckle about all these requests, thinking that the posters have about a 1% chance of getting any/all of the requests implemented.

Yes...I am monitoring the thread and sometimes chuckle but not because of the 1% chance part. I sometimes chuckle when somebody asks for things that are already in LR4 and when somebody mentions something that might very well be in LR5. But, I will admit that many of the requests are unlikely for a variety of reasons...but that's no reason NOT to ask for them :~)
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: rogan on January 06, 2013, 08:15:15 pm
Better faster tethering options that is more stable and faster.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: stamper on January 07, 2013, 04:33:46 am
Yes...I am monitoring the thread and sometimes chuckle but not because of the 1% chance part. I sometimes chuckle when somebody asks for things that are already in LR4 and when somebody mentions something that might very well be in LR5. But, I will admit that many of the requests are unlikely for a variety of reasons...but that's no reason NOT to ask for them :~)


.....but how many of them do you consider reasonable considering that LR won't grow anywhere as big as PS for obvious reasons? ;)
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Stephane Desnault on January 07, 2013, 09:20:33 am
Yes...I am monitoring the thread and sometimes chuckle but not because of the 1% chance part. I sometimes chuckle when somebody asks for things that are already in LR4 and when somebody mentions something that might very well be in LR5. But, I will admit that many of the requests are unlikely for a variety of reasons...but that's no reason NOT to ask for them :~)

Hi Jeff,

I'm glad I originated the thread then :) ! Now, you just have to point to the feature already implemented (I'm not kidding on that one!), and also give us a detailed list of the ones that will be in LR5, along with the ship date :D :D (ok, I admit I may be kidding on those) !

Best,

Stephane

P.S.
Thanks for the site and the awesome LR tutorial.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: dreed on January 07, 2013, 10:57:11 am
+1 - better keystone correction.

I'd like to go one further than "draw lines" and be able to "select an edge or line" in the picture.

To expand on this a little..

Many images that we take already have the "horizontal" and "vertical" lines that we want to be straight up and down. Requiring us to draw new lines over those to get the correct angle required just introduces the potential for error because it is often very hard to properly overlay the tool line with what is in the image. (Sometimes the tool line is thicker than the line in the image!)

To take a classic example, picture at the beach with ocean meeting sky line. When I take the image, the camera isn't perfectly horizontal so I need to correct the image. If I can select the boundary of the ocean/sky as being the line then LR should be able to work out what rotation is required to have both endpoints level and also apply distortion correction for any curvature found in the line. If LR was really smart, it could use the information it learns from the distortion correction from that image with other images that I've taken with the same lens, using the same zoom/f-stop settings.

Unfortunately it may be that the number of images with which this works is not sufficiently large to merit this kind of feature being added however it would also work well for architectural photographs where there are lots of straight lines from buildings that often need to be corrected. For sports, I can't see it helping, similarly for a lot of landscape work where straight lines are absent, although maybe it could use things like power poles or fences or maybe even trees (trees might take a lot of extra work.)

In short, often when it comes to horizontal/vertical distortion correction the lines that I want to correct are already in the picture so why do I need to draw new ones?
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Stephane Desnault on January 07, 2013, 11:08:39 am
Hi Dreed,

I'm currently trying ViewPoint from DxO, which extracts that very feature from the full DxO package, and exposes it as a 39€ plugin for LR, Aperture or PS... So far, from what I see, I'll gladly pay for it once the trial expires.

One thing I like a lot: an integrated loupe where the cursor is when setting up points, and automated ege detection.

One thing I like less: It doesn't work with NEFs (hey, it's not the full DxO package) so for me it's only useful when integrated in LR.

Best,

Stephane

Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Glenn NK on January 07, 2013, 06:52:58 pm
After a bit more use of the Adjustment Brush, I've come up with another wish:

It's much easier to use small apertures (which bring the BG into focus with all the warts) than to use large apertures and focus stack for better DOF of the subject without bringing the BG into focus.

In this respect, the AB is useful for blurring a BG of a botanical image.   For example; by setting the brush with negative Clarity and Sharpness and positive Shadows, a busy and/or contrasty BG can be softened (even poor bokeh can be mitigated to some extent).

However, even with the Flow and Density set to maximum values, it sometimes takes two or more "go-arounds" to get the desired effect.

My request is to make the brush so it can be duplicated (this would save a considerable amount of time in going around the subject a second time with Auto Mask on).

In other words, once the brush has been used on the entire image, it could be duplicated, thereby increasing the strength of the effect(s).

Glenn
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: stamper on January 08, 2013, 04:41:52 am
Quote dreed.

To take a classic example, picture at the beach with ocean meeting sky line. When I take the image, the camera isn't perfectly horizontal so I need to correct the image.

Unquote

Lens distortion > manual > rotate. You can rotate the image with very fine adjustments with a grid overlay and it is better than the line tool for precision placement. :)
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: dreed on January 08, 2013, 07:01:11 am
Quote dreed.

To take a classic example, picture at the beach with ocean meeting sky line. When I take the image, the camera isn't perfectly horizontal so I need to correct the image.

Unquote

Lens distortion > manual > rotate. You can rotate the image with very fine adjustments with a grid overlay and it is better than the line tool for precision placement. :)

But why do *I* need to make the adjustments?
Why can't I pick the horizon (which is supposed to be a relatively straight line) and tell LR to fix the photograph such that the horizon is a flat, horizontal line?
We've got fast computers so why shouldn't they be doing something even a little bit intelligent like that?
Why can't the computer work out what is the correct adjustment to make?
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: stamper on January 08, 2013, 07:07:28 am
But why do *I* need to make the adjustments?
Why can't I pick the horizon (which is supposed to be a relatively straight line) and tell LR to fix the photograph such that the horizon is a flat, horizontal line?
We've got fast computers so why shouldn't they be doing something even a little bit intelligent like that?
Why can't the computer work out what is the correct adjustment to make?

Because LR or your computer can't read your mind or know your intentions. If both could think then they might surmise you want the imperfections? It is your image and you are in charge and you should be using the tools - assuming they are adequate - to instruct the program to carry out your wishes? :) BTW why don't you ask your camera manufacturer to implement ways to prevent it in the first place. ;)
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Stephane Desnault on January 08, 2013, 07:20:18 am
Hi Dreed, Stamper,

Aperture already has the feature to straighten the horizon in just one click. It's straightforward (no pun intended), and a useful feature. It works whenever there is an obvious horizontal dividing pattern in the frame.

Granted, it saves just about 4 seconds at the start of the edit... but, in many cases, it's such a no-brainer, why not let the computer do it for you!

Best,

Stephane
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: john beardsworth on January 08, 2013, 07:35:14 am
@dreed - You know that you can crop and hold down CtrlR / CmdR ?
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: dreed on January 08, 2013, 08:51:29 am
@dreed - You know that you can crop and hold down CtrlR / CmdR ?

That's just a short cut for clicking on the ruler, yes?

And it doesn't work when zoomed in (crop forces you back to 100% view).

Because LR or your computer can't read your mind or know your intentions. If both could think then they might surmise you want the imperfections? It is your image and you are in charge and you should be using the tools - assuming they are adequate - to instruct the program to carry out your wishes? :)

If LR can do "Auto Tone", why can't it do "Auto Straighten"?
And if it can do "Auto Straighten", why can't it do "Auto Keystone Correction"?

The instructions I want to give to LR are:
- rotate the image and apply whatever distortion correction is necessary to present a straight and horizontal horizon (that might also lead to instructions such as "apply rotation and distortion correction to have as many trees as possible being straight up and down.")
- determine and apply the required correction to make this building look like a rectangle rather than a trapezoid

Now I would be happy to tell LR which edge it is that needs to be horizontal/vertical and/or draw a circle/box around the squished looking building that needs to be made whole again if that will help but that is the limit of what I want to have to do.

Or to pick a Jeff Schewe favourite topic:
- an "Auto Moire Correction" tool that examines the image, detects what regions are impacted by moire and applies a suitable correction even if there are multiple regions in the image that require different levels of moire correction (not likely but a lens can do funny things to a scene)
After all, moire is easily seen with the eye and if it can be easily seen with the eye then it should be possible to detect it using an algorithm and determine what correction is needed to remove the moire without requiring the use of a brush. Or why not even add an "Eliminate moire" checkbox along with those for removing chromatic aberration, etc?

Quote
BTW why don't you ask your camera manufacturer to implement ways to prevent it in the first place. ;)

A lot of the more recent DSLRs and MFDBs do actually include a digital leveling feature. So yes, some camera manufacturers are aware of this issue and are doing what they can to inform the photographer about whether the camera is level or not.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: hjulenissen on January 08, 2013, 09:19:52 am
After all, moire is easily seen with the eye and if it can be easily seen with the eye then it should be possible to detect it using an algorithm
Not everything that is easy for humans is easy for computers and vice versa.

Stuff like speech recognition, navigation in a room full of obstacles, distinguishing an image of a 'tree' from that of a 'car', stuff that average 2 year old humans do easily, are notoriously hard for computers, even when we throw decades of PhD research and eager entrepenours at the problem.

The basic problem with aliasing is that you get one unique set of data ("pixels" or "raw file") that relate to several possible scenes. I dont think that it is possible to robustly (i.e. 100 out of 100 times) guess wich scene is most likely without simulatenously doing a high-level analysis of the image motif, the photographer intent etc. Of course, us humans do this subconsciously without a sweat, but good luck formalizing that process as an algorithm.

Imagine a photographer shooting a LEGO(tm) set. Brightly colored bricks in a higly "aliased" pattern. A sane moire-reduction might assume that those jagged edges are caused by poor aa-filtering, and try to smooth them out. A 4-year-old would recognize the (unprocessed) image as that of a Lego castle.

-h
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Stephane Desnault on January 08, 2013, 09:28:19 am
Fascinating insights into artificial intelligence and several discussions of the relative capabilities of the human mind and computers can be found at:

http://www.amazon.com/How-Create-Mind-Thought-Revealed/dp/0670025291/

I know I enjoyed the read :D .
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Glenn NK on January 08, 2013, 12:34:25 pm
If LR can do "Auto Tone", why can't it do "Auto Straighten"?
And if it can do "Auto Straighten", why can't it do "Auto Keystone Correction"?

I have a few hundred images shot over water (across Juan da Fuca Strait, and on the Oregon coast) in which I've had a very difficult time determining exactly where the horizon is because of large waves, mist, fog, distant cloud, etc., but these are easy compared to a scene shot across a lake.  (I've adjusted some of them several times).

In the case of an image shot over a lake where the far shore is not perpendicular to the line of sight and the camera is not at water level, it is impossible to visually determine a horizontal line on the image because there is none.  If one knew the angle between the far shoreline and the line of sight, and also know the angle between the lake surface and the line of sight, it is mathematically possible (with three dimensional geometry) to calculate a horizontal.  There is still the problem of determining the first angle (angle of shoreline to line of sight) - I have not found an easy method of doing this.  ;)

Glenn
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: hjulenissen on January 08, 2013, 02:02:19 pm
I have a few hundred images shot over water (across Juan da Fuca Strait, and on the Oregon coast) in which I've had a very difficult time determining exactly where the horizon is because of large waves, mist, fog, distant cloud, etc., but these are easy compared to a scene shot across a lake.  (I've adjusted some of them several times).

In the case of an image shot over a lake where the far shore is not perpendicular to the line of sight and the camera is not at water level, it is impossible to visually determine a horizontal line on the image because there is none.  If one knew the angle between the far shoreline and the line of sight, and also know the angle between the lake surface and the line of sight, it is mathematically possible (with three dimensional geometry) to calculate a horizontal.  There is still the problem of determining the first angle (angle of shoreline to line of sight) - I have not found an easy method of doing this.  ;)

Glenn
But then, is it the "true" horizon that one generally wants, or is it the most visually pleasing alternative? If there are no tell-tale buildings, power-line poles etc that the true horizon can be inferred from, it seems to me that one may just as well be creative until a believable and pleasing result appears.

-h
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Glenn NK on January 08, 2013, 03:21:49 pm
But then, is it the "true" horizon that one generally wants, or is it the most visually pleasing alternative? If there are no tell-tale buildings, power-line poles etc that the true horizon can be inferred from, it seems to me that one may just as well be creative until a believable and pleasing result appears.

-h

And precisely why the software can't solve the problem.

It happens quite frequently with landscapes on forums - someone thinks the image needs a little CW or CCW rotation - someone else thinks it's OK.  Try and develop an algorithm based on feelings or opinion.

Previous posters have said as much in different words.  I think it's a dead issue.

Glenn
Title: Relative Adjustments
Post by: John Caldwell on January 08, 2013, 03:41:11 pm
What's the latest talk visa vi relative adjustments and presets for relative adjustments? I had the impression that there might be a critical mass of folks wanting this, and that it was not too burdensome from a programming perspective. True?

John Caldwell
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: David Sutton on January 09, 2013, 02:40:52 am
Late to this thread and haven't read it all. Apologies.
I wish dual monitor support would get sorted. I have the thumbnails on one screen and the image and panels on another. “Save metadata to file” doesn't work unless I move the thumbnails onto the work screen.
Everytime I hit “synchronise”, the thumbnails swap screens and my place in the folders panel gets lost.
I could go on...
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on January 09, 2013, 03:30:58 am
Actually you can!

Find the presets folder and go into subfolders and files.
You can open individual presets in Notepad so you can see exactly what the settings are.
As long as you know what changes you want you can edit the settings and resave.

Tony Jay

Tony, that's new to me and interesting. It's hardly a GUI, though! William's suggestion is one I've often wanted as well.

Jeremy
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: hjulenissen on January 09, 2013, 05:12:04 am
And precisely why the software can't solve the problem.

It happens quite frequently with landscapes on forums - someone thinks the image needs a little CW or CCW rotation - someone else thinks it's OK.  Try and develop an algorithm based on feelings or opinion.

Previous posters have said as much in different words.  I think it's a dead issue.

Glenn
I'd offer an alternate view.

If one wanted to find the "true" horizon from an image that does not offer enough information to find the true horizon, then it is obviously impossible to correct the horizon for either a computer program or a person. It is an unsolvable problem.

If one want to find a "pleasing" horizon from an image, then it is only a matter of figuring out what is pleasing for that particular image. I can do it manually for my taste, you can do it manually for your taste, and it is concieable (although very hard/unlikely) that some future computer program could suggest the setting that "65 out of 100 photographers would prefer", or suggest a list of alternatives that would satisfy most photographers. Of course, this is unlikely to ever happen, but the fact that the choice is based only on the image itself (and not on physical parameters outside of the image) means that the needed information is there.

-h
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Tony Jay on January 09, 2013, 05:38:59 am
Tony, that's new to me and interesting. It's hardly a GUI, though! William's suggestion is one I've often wanted as well.

Jeremy

Yes, it does show one how complex and interesting Lightroom is.
I certainly cannot claim to know everything there is to know about Lightroom but I am investing a fair bit of time digging into its innards to find out how it ticks.
The way I do this is by investigating issues that come up on this forum and others and seeing if I can solve them.
I have learnt all sorts of interesting things in the process that I would never encounter in my usual workflow.

As for an integrated solution to editing presets - we shall see.

Tony Jay
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: dreed on January 09, 2013, 01:35:37 pm
And precisely why the software can't solve the problem.

It happens quite frequently with landscapes on forums - someone thinks the image needs a little CW or CCW rotation - someone else thinks it's OK.  Try and develop an algorithm based on feelings or opinion.

Previous posters have said as much in different words.  I think it's a dead issue.

I've never come across an image that one person thought was straight and another thought wasn't.

But regardless of that, if "Auto Level" is out of the question then give me the option of selecting a boundary between two colours in an image as the horizontal or vertical line rather than requiring me to draw one. Sometimes there is no boundary for me to try and draw over but when I do want to make such a correction then most of the time, there is.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Fips on January 10, 2013, 06:18:07 am
I apologize if should have been said already and I also know that this probably isn't something Eric is working on but:
LR5 definitely needs more organizational features in the book module. Folders within a book project would already be of great help!
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Glenn NK on January 10, 2013, 11:37:22 pm
I've never come across an image that one person thought was straight and another thought wasn't.


Try Naturescapes.net

It's happened a number of times in the landscape gallery.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Pete_G on January 12, 2013, 08:02:28 am
I'm wondering if there could be an Anti Banding Module. Yes, I know there are techniques in PS, but something like Eric's brilliant CA tool would be very useful. I don't even know if it's possible.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Adam L on January 12, 2013, 08:23:32 am
I would like more cloud features added.  The web module is ripe for a cloud makeover and the slideshow feature is just not that useful in its current form.   Store 1:1 renders in the cloud and move these output features there.  Make it easy to get images to iPhones and iPads.  I see revenue streams everywhere.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: stamper on January 12, 2013, 08:41:42 am
I'm wondering if there could be an Anti Banding Module. Yes, I know there are techniques in PS, but something like Eric's brilliant CA tool would be very useful. I don't even know if it's possible.

The banding is possibly caused by over processing so I don't think that is possible?
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Wills on January 12, 2013, 09:17:08 am
A proper implementation of layers with masks would be a good progression, saving a round trip to Photoshop.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Anthony.Ralph on January 12, 2013, 11:25:36 am
Adobe has a 'JDI' (just do it) programme for Photoshop where small adjustments/improvements/tidy-ups are implemented. It would be good to have that for Lightroom. I nominate that pesky double-headed arrow bug in the keyword list as something to be sorted.

Anthony.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: GeraldB on January 12, 2013, 03:45:10 pm
The best way to get the horizon straight automatically is for Lightroom to read the accelerometer data and get the yaw, pitch, roll of the camera when the shot was taken. What! your camera doesn't have accellerometers? How 20th Century!
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Fips on January 13, 2013, 02:23:32 pm
Here's another one: It would be convenient to be able to give names to aspect ratios. I have so many custom formats that I can never remember which is which.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: stamper on January 14, 2013, 04:04:26 am
Surely you can't blame LR for your poor memory? :)
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Fips on January 14, 2013, 04:32:22 am
Certainly not! I entirely blame the Brits and the 'Mericans for using medieval units in large quantities which make conversion and memorizing formats a real pain in the behind  ;)
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Glenn NK on January 14, 2013, 01:06:37 pm
Certainly not! I entirely blame the Brits and the 'Mericans for using medieval units in large quantities which make conversion and memorizing formats a real pain in the behind  ;)

I don't think it's the Brits:

http://matadornetwork.com/abroad/metric-map-which-countries-dont-belong-with-the-others/
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Glenn NK on January 14, 2013, 01:16:19 pm
If one wanted to find the "true" horizon from an image that does not offer enough information to find the true horizon, then it is obviously impossible to correct the horizon for either a computer program or a person. It is an unsolvable problem.


An example:

http://www.naturescapes.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=227701

Scroll the image so the image's "horizon" is at the top of the screen (the screen being level and thus an artificial and accurate horizon).

Glenn
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: KeithR on January 14, 2013, 05:45:48 pm
Don't know if it's been previously mentioned, but I hope it doesn't become cloud based.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: David Eichler on January 15, 2013, 02:19:10 am
HSL control in the adjustment brush and gradient tools.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Stephane Desnault on January 15, 2013, 06:58:22 am
HSL control in the adjustment brush and gradient tools.

+1 on that!
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: rdonson on January 15, 2013, 09:50:10 am
I think I've almost caught up with all the responses but may not remember all of them.

Count me as one who wanted additional image editing features.  Requests of this nature have typically received two major kinds of responses:

1) you can't do that with parametric editing
2) that's what Photoshop is for

I have PS CS6 (and I will likely forever fight Adobe's desire for me to rent it vs. license it just to even out their revenue stream) and its a great program that can do amazing things.  My desire is to reduce how much time I spend in PS.

So... I've purchased the Nik Software plugins and they've mostly worked to great advantage for me.  I can perform a lot of image editing quickly and easily without resorting to PS and tons of layers. That's the kind of image editing I would have expected Lightroom to evolve to.

My request then is to not screw up the plugin interface so I can continue to use the Nik Software plugins.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: bill t. on January 16, 2013, 11:08:09 pm
Can we please have a PS-style "Refine Mask" ability in LR5?

And can we please remove images from the timeline without a dialogue where "Erase from Disk" and "Remove from Project" buttons are right next to each other?  Cheez!

And can we please have everything offered by both Lightroom and Photoshop and all my favorite plugins and programs in one, single program?
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Pete_G on January 17, 2013, 09:40:44 am

And can we please have everything offered by both Lightroom and Photoshop and all my favorite plugins and programs in one, single program?

Adobe Lightshop Pro Plus GTI....whoa..
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: francois on January 17, 2013, 09:47:06 am
Adobe Lightshop Pro Plus GTI....whoa..

You forgot Turbo, Ultimate and Extreme!
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Peter McLennan on January 17, 2013, 01:29:12 pm
[quote author=bill t. link=topic=73458.msg591354#msg591354 date=1358395689
And can we please remove images from the timeline without a dialogue where "Erase from Disk" and "Remove from Project" buttons are right next to each other?  Cheez!
[/quote]

No kidding.  Same goes for "Save" right next to "Save As"  :(
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: walter.sk on January 25, 2013, 02:45:32 pm
Well, I just re-read all of the posts and didn't come across what I'm going to ask for (even in a minor upgrade to LR4.3, without waiting for LR5).

I often have to use the White Balance sampler (eyedropper type tool) and like to "click around" in various parts of the image for the most pleasing WB change.  Am I the only one who finds it to be a real pain in the butt to have to go back and re-click on the WB sampler after each click on the image?

How hard would it be to retain the use of the sampler until the user returns it by clicking on its resting place in the panel, same as closing the adjustment brush or other tools for local adjustment?
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: leuallen on January 25, 2013, 03:54:58 pm
What I want is really simple. A redesign of the preview buttons - the two little vertical boxes you click to turn on/off the adjustments for the module you are in. They are so small that it takes an expert mouse sniper to hit them. Plus you cannot toggle quickly as the slightest mouse movement puts you off target. I often check my before/after adjustments and this SO frustrating.

Larry
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Schewe on January 25, 2013, 05:57:21 pm
How hard would it be to retain the use of the sampler until the user returns it by clicking on its resting place in the panel, same as closing the adjustment brush or other tools for local adjustment?

Uh, that's already in LR4 when the WB tool is selected....down in the main tool bar you have the option to turn auto dismiss on/off as well as show or hide the loupe and change the sample size.

Always useful to make sure a feature is NOT there before asking for it :~)
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: hugowolf on January 26, 2013, 12:21:50 am
I may have already mentioned this (it has been a long thread), but LR’s module approach doesn’t bother me as much as the mutual exclusivity of the modules. The inability to see the development history in anything other than the Development Module, especially since print history is in there; not being able to crop or soft proof in the Print Module; and does anyone use the basic development tools in the Library Module (as sure sign of a need to merge the two modules, IMHO).

I would love to see per image saving of print settings, rather than the clumsy way it is done now. QImage has an awful UI, but its print settings archiving is much better than LR’s. I would really like to give up having to use a separate program just for printing.

I would be interested to know if anyone does use the development tools in the Library Module.

Brian A
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: walter.sk on January 26, 2013, 12:35:18 pm
Uh, that's already in LR4 when the WB tool is selected....down in the main tool bar you have the option to turn auto dismiss on/off as well as show or hide the loupe and change the sample size. Always useful to make sure a feature is NOT there before asking for it :~)
Yer right.  But there was no reference to it in The Digital Darkroom, and this morning I looked (for the 50th time) at the tutorial for LR4 and found the main toolbar mentioned.  I guess I had never even seen it in the Development module.   But thanks for the info, anyway.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Rhossydd on January 26, 2013, 01:36:57 pm
Always useful to make sure a feature is NOT there before asking for it :~)
The flip side of that is that LR shouldn't hide it's functionality so well that many people can't find what's already there.

The 'toolbar' is a curious feature that doesn't always behave in what might be the expected way.
It would be better to keep tool options within the relevant panel.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: stamper on January 27, 2013, 04:04:41 am
The flip side of that is that LR shouldn't hide it's functionality so well that many people can't find what's already there.

Not everything can be in full view. It it was then I am sure there would be complaints about a cluttered UI. Walter tripped himself up and it is no big deal. Anyone who has posted here for a while will know that any "mistake" made in posting will be pounced up on. Cross your fingers before posting and hope you have it right? ;D
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Rhossydd on January 27, 2013, 04:33:58 am
Not everything can be in full view. It it was then I am sure there would be complaints about a cluttered UI.
Missed point. Everything doesn't have to be in view all the time, it obviously can't be, but it should be easily discoverable.
Most tools have all their controls in their respective panels, the only exceptions seem to be the white balance dropper and the adjustment brush overlays. It would be more logical and intuitive to keep all tool controls in their respective panels.
Features like the toolbar should be consistent in their behaviour.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: rasterdogs on January 27, 2013, 10:33:12 am
Have fond hopes that demosaicing for Fuji X-trans files will be improved.

I'm getting ok results but these don't rival what I get from my Canon files.

-rasterdogs
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Dinarius on January 27, 2013, 01:03:14 pm
The return of the Recovery Slider and the removal of ANY inbuilt, automated Recovery.

I want to go back to seeing *exactly* what my *RAW* file looks like.

Any takers?

D.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on January 27, 2013, 03:36:50 pm
I want to go back to seeing *exactly* what my *RAW* file looks like.

I really think you don't.

Jeremy
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: David Eichler on January 27, 2013, 04:10:06 pm
The return of the Recovery Slider and the removal of ANY inbuilt, automated Recovery.

I want to go back to seeing *exactly* what my *RAW* file looks like.

Any takers?

D.

What exactly does a RAW file look like? To me it is just information and showing all of the information that is there is what it "looks" like. It is like making a flat black and white work print, just to evaluate all the info and decided how you want to interpret it.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Dinarius on January 27, 2013, 04:44:31 pm
...To me it is just information and showing all of the information that is there is what it "looks" like.

Precisely! And the introduction of inbuilt Recovery distorts "...all of the information that is there".

Why not get back to seeing exactly where the problem areas are & correcting them as you see fit, and not having Adobe do it for you?

Removing Recovery was a huge error in my view.

D.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Schewe on January 27, 2013, 06:37:36 pm
Precisely! And the introduction of inbuilt Recovery distorts "...all of the information that is there".


Then use PV 2010...

What you think you want is not going to happen. Deal with it.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: hjulenissen on January 28, 2013, 03:15:02 am
Skin-tone WB picker.

-h
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: hjulenissen on January 28, 2013, 03:16:16 am
Quick, automated export to an iOS/Android-based lightroom viewer.

-h
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: hjulenissen on January 28, 2013, 03:19:24 am
Consumer-ish automated image search/organization (face recognition, scene recognition, sharpness estimation, etc). Anything that lets me spend less time wading through "bad" shots, or tedious manual organizing of "good" shots.

-h
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: PeterAit on January 28, 2013, 08:51:45 am
The ability to export, in Excel-compatible format, information about selected photos: File name, title, caption, and pixel dimensions (as cropped) at a minimum. I find this information essential when I am organizing a show or submission.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: john beardsworth on January 28, 2013, 09:02:31 am
Peter, look at two plugins - LrTransporter (http://www.photographers-toolbox.com/products/lrtransporter.php) or my own ListView (http://www.photographers-toolbox.com/products/jbeardsworth/listview/), which does export to Excel.

John
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Wills on January 28, 2013, 03:17:38 pm
I'm sure this has been requested many times before, it's CMYK export without the round trip to PS
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Jim Pascoe on January 29, 2013, 02:59:33 am
Skin-tone WB picker.

-h

Presumably optimised for northern European skin tone without suntan.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Stephane Desnault on January 29, 2013, 09:49:42 am
Presumably optimised for northern European skin tone without suntan.

Usually, in other tools, that feature is associated with a reference palette of skin tones, covering every ethnicity - very much the only way it can work. One important point: there is remarkably little difference in actual COLOR for skin, even across ethnicities (tone is another matter, obviously).
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Jim Pascoe on January 29, 2013, 12:48:23 pm
Usually, in other tools, that feature is associated with a reference palette of skin tones, covering every ethnicity - very much the only way it can work. One important point: there is remarkably little difference in actual COLOR for skin, even across ethnicities (tone is another matter, obviously).

If that really is the case, then it would be great for my line of work and it should definitely feature in LR5.

Jim
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Stephane Desnault on January 29, 2013, 03:04:58 pm
If that really is the case, then it would be great for my line of work and it should definitely feature in LR5.

Jim

Hi Jim,

Capture One (Phase One) has a dedicated skin tone tool. There are numerous pro plugins or action sets for photoshop that help calibrate/balance skintones. You can even get some actions and palettes from old KelbyTraining session (look for the classes from Cuerdon - forgot first name), back when they were less mom-and-pop mainstream (a one month subscription is inexpensive, compared to the price of many plugins).
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: stamper on January 30, 2013, 05:35:56 am
If there are plenty of plug ins for LR - and clearly there are - then this should mean less need to build the functions they provide into LR which means less bloat and doesn't impact on LR functiality?
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: john beardsworth on January 30, 2013, 06:23:13 am
If there are plenty of plug ins for LR - and clearly there are - then this should mean less need to build the functions they provide into LR which means less bloat and doesn't impact on LR functiality?
I agree in general, though you have to be careful to define the line on "bloat". Some plug-ins mean there's less demand for LR to make existing features work properly while others include features that are offered in all comparable programs, for example.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: PeterAit on January 31, 2013, 10:51:05 am
I'd like the ability to display one collection on one monitor and then use the other monitor to browse through other folders and collections.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: jjj on January 31, 2013, 12:38:49 pm
Yup I often wished for that too Peter. Single pane browsing/file managing is painful at times.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on January 31, 2013, 03:54:35 pm
I can't find a way to display the size of the file as one of the options on the thumbnails. When you right click on the text area, it gives you a bunch of options....but no file size!
That would be a easy one to do.


Anyone have a list or know a link to to a list of useful LR plugins?
I don't mean the ones for creating image fx so much (OnOne, Alien, etc)... but other function tools.  I remember one that enabled for me to see PDF files. This was good at first, but I ended up not using it, as it wasn't seamless.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: PeterAit on January 31, 2013, 05:50:12 pm
Is file size really important? With today's huge and cheap hard disks, why does it matter?
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: jjj on January 31, 2013, 09:16:40 pm
Anyone have a list or know a link to to a list of useful LR plugins?
I don't mean the ones for creating image fx so much (OnOne, Alien, etc)... but other function tools.  I remember one that enabled for me to see PDF files. This was good at first, but I ended up not using it, as it wasn't seamless.
I find the Photographer's Toolbox (http://www.photographers-toolbox.com/index.php) quite handy for workflow type tools. I use Mogrify whenever I export images for example. John Beardsworth a fellow LL poster, has a few useful goodies on there too.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: jjj on February 04, 2013, 01:54:00 am
I use a 30" screen and I'm not sure how the sliders look on your screens, but they sure are hard to pinpoint and click. All else is fine on my desktop, but in LR (even in CS5) the sliders are hard to work accurately with.
This'll fix your woes Jeffrey’s Lightroom Configuration Manager (http://regex.info/blog/2007-03-13/395)   
I use this handy tool to make the panels wider than the default maximum, which is way to small for use on anything other than a 13" laptop.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: John Caldwell on February 09, 2013, 11:57:16 am
When the list of Collections gets as large as mine now is, I wish I could search Collection attributes:

1) Name of collection
2) Name of collection sets
3) For a given image with All Collections of within a certain collection
4) Keywords that fall within collections or collection sets
5) Possibly other attributes I haven't though of

As it now is, I have a few hundred collections, and I've named them and the sets within which they lie descriptively. Finding content with that large collection list has become difficult.

John Caldwell
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: PhotoEcosse on February 10, 2013, 12:56:31 pm
It may have been asked for before (thread now too long to check), but what I would really like is an enhancement to the Slideshow module that allowed a slifeshow to be exported as an .exe file (similar to ProShow Gold) that would run completely independently and stand-alone on any PC.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: jjj on February 13, 2013, 09:51:48 am
It may have been asked for before (thread now too long to check), but what I would really like is an enhancement to the Slideshow module that allowed a slifeshow to be exported as an .exe file (similar to ProShow Gold) that would run completely independently and stand-alone on any PC.
Or Mac, therefore cannot be an .exe file.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: hjulenissen on February 13, 2013, 10:08:44 am
It may have been asked for before (thread now too long to check), but what I would really like is an enhancement to the Slideshow module that allowed a slifeshow to be exported as an .exe file (similar to ProShow Gold) that would run completely independently and stand-alone on any PC.
I really don't see the benefit of such a thing. In this security-conscious day, handling *.exe files can be difficult (try mailing them as an attachement).

Why not use PDF or some other standardized document format (HTML?) that can be played almost anywhere (not only on MS Windows PCs)?

-h
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on February 21, 2013, 04:58:15 pm
I repeatedly find myself needing to move the adjustment brush points.  This would be most handy for mulitple images with slight variation of where things are. You can Copy/Paste the adjustments, then some keystroke with a click drag to move that point over the area is shifted out of.

I think I mentioned this here or elsewhere....ability to Duplicate the Gradient layer

thank you!
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: johnkiv on February 22, 2013, 04:15:25 pm
I would appreciate some simple things, so simple maybe they are impossible?

Toggle between "Auto Sync" and "Sync" in develop mode with one hot key, may I suggest "x".  (Please, anything that requires 4 keys in combination is not a short cut.)
Ability to move both side panels to a second monitor.  More options for using two monitors.
The ability to ignore drive letter (use volume name) for external drives with windows.  This may be a windows problem?
Convert stacks to layers and a mask or reversible eraser tool.

All the suggestions I've seen posted here sound good, but don't want to see the program bog down and run slower.  My pc 2 years old; 4.3 is running nicely.  I want to get at least 2 more years out of it.  I love the brush and gradient tools, but I don't ever want to go back to how slow and buggy they were when they were new.

John

Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on February 22, 2013, 05:12:46 pm
"Ability to move both side panels to a second monitor.  More options for using two monitors."

YES...this is a BIG one! Big enough to ignore my other wishes to fulfill this one!  BUT...the answer to this has been a solid "no" from Jeff Schewe. The buck stops there?
I'm thinking he isn't using 2 large screens for his editing. I'm not even sure if you are still editing these days? :-) We nee to update his photo of the overheard image with the 22"CRT's  :-)

The Gradient layer can SURELY use a erase brush over it. This would keep from almost all images going to PS.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Schewe on February 22, 2013, 05:40:05 pm
I'm thinking he isn't using 2 large screens for his editing. I'm not even sure if you are still editing these days? :-)

My imaging area shown in my book shows dual 30" and a 24" for a total of three displays on my main machine. So, yes, I do understand using multiple displays...but I have no problem using Lightroom on a single 30" (and don't really use a 2nd display with LR. I use dual displays for Photoshop panels on the 24". And the right display has Bridge on it.

And, yes, I still do editing these days...just not for stupid clients, just for myself.

Again, the architecture of LR would make tear off or movable panels very, very expensive in engineering hours and it's something that is not on the table.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on February 24, 2013, 01:04:00 am
I think I was looking at an older photo of you .....
http://www.schewephoto.com/images/DS.gif


You still rock...Cheers!
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on February 24, 2013, 08:55:00 am
I think I was looking at an older photo of you .....
http://www.schewephoto.com/images/DS.gif


You still rock...Cheers!
Gosh! That musta been taken before they invented Hawaiian shirts!

Yeah, Schewe is very cool!

And thanks, Jeff, for the historical sidebar. Much appreciated.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: hugowolf on February 24, 2013, 03:03:16 pm
I think I was looking at an older photo of you .....
http://www.schewephoto.com/images/DS.gif
I wonder if the lava lamp is calibrated to D50 or D65?

Brian A
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: James R on February 24, 2013, 09:45:50 pm
Haven't read all the posts, but, hear are some of my wants.
1. Layers
2. Free form interface so tools can be organized by which ones we use and the order we use them in. 
3. Allow all tools to have short-cuts assigned.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Schewe on February 24, 2013, 11:32:23 pm
1. Layers
2. Free form interface so tools can be organized by which ones we use and the order we use them in. 
3. Allow all tools to have short-cuts assigned.

#1, ain't gonna happen...
#2 ain't gonna happen...
#3 could happen but prolly not in the short term.

Layers and a free form panel UI is simply not in the underlying software architecture. Layers is a completely foreign concept to raw files (which is what LR was designed to do) As far as the UI, well, you might as well get used to the way it works now because it's highly unlikely that substantial changes will happen to LR's UI.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: John Caldwell on February 24, 2013, 11:57:37 pm
A) Search For:

1) Develop History states, such at "Print"
2) Collection attributes, likes as Collection Names, Collection Folder names


B) Adjustment Brush:
1) Update "Brush Preset 1" with current settings like we have elsewhere in the LR UI
2) Organize brushes into group that the user defines. My brush, for example, is quite large so the sorting has become bulky

John Caldwell
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: afx on February 25, 2013, 03:54:01 am
Layers is a completely foreign concept to raw files (which is what LR was designed to do)
Then tell me how Bibble/AfterShot do it? Works just fine there.
There is nothing inherent in RAW processing that prevents layers.
Just because LR has quite primitive local adjustment tools doesn't mean this is fixed in stone.

cheers
afx
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Rhossydd on February 25, 2013, 04:13:30 am
Layers is a completely foreign concept to raw files (which is what LR was designed to do)
Unless you use them as smart objects in Photoshop, where they become layers. eh?

 
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: stamper on February 25, 2013, 04:15:34 am
Layers. If LR had them then it would be less of a selling point for PS. This is what the members who have a wish list don't get. The more you get in LR then the less likely they will buy PS. :)
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: mac_paolo on February 25, 2013, 04:26:23 am
In order to use layers, Adobe should release a new DNG specification update with the option to embed several Raw files in a single DNG. Is it a DNG anymore if several different shots are grouped together?

Let's say you only add layers with local adjustments for a single DNG. Can't you just stack adjustments one onto another?
Sure, layers with names may ease the work while managing a huge number of adjustments but, is it worth it?
I can't tell.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: hjulenissen on February 25, 2013, 04:37:35 am
Layers. If LR had them then it would be less of a selling point for PS. This is what the members who have a wish list don't get. The more you get in LR then the less likely they will buy PS. :)
Perhaps. But LR have to compete with other photography-oriented tools. It seems that many people will continue using Photoshop no matter what LR offers, perhaps because of its inherent flexibility, or because they have gotten used to doing things a certain way.

I really like the idea of LR being "anti-photoshop". I think it is an interesting exercise to ponder what features would make sense to include in LR without it loosing its "soul".

I, for one, use LR almost exclusively as a photography library and a photography editor/printer. I think that the photobook/web/map/slideshow/video stuff are a mild nuissance due to generally being to rigid and inflexible. If I need to put 2 images into one jpeg file, I will generally use Microsoft Paint as I find that more flexible than LR4...

I really hope that LR5 will get the ability to combine several images into one (HDR, pano, blending).

-h
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Rhossydd on February 25, 2013, 04:45:09 am
This is what the members who have a wish list don't get. The more you get in LR then the less likely they will buy PS. :)
I think most people understand that, but it doesn't stop them asking for it.

It may be that at some future point Adobe will take notice and implement some sort of layers feature, but I strongly suspect that it will be difficult technically and conceptually.
Maybe it could be added as a 'merge' module, that would cover simple comping, panoramas and HDR in one module.
I won't hold my breath though.

Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: stamper on February 25, 2013, 05:23:08 am
There is the problem of bloat. The more layers that are added then the more resources are used?
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on February 25, 2013, 12:53:11 pm
One thing I could think of is that it could hurt PS sales.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Schewe on February 25, 2013, 01:22:16 pm
I really like the idea of LR being "anti-photoshop". I think it is an interesting exercise to ponder what features would make sense to include in LR without it loosing its "soul".

And that's exactly what Mark Hamburg was going for when he designed Lightroom...in truth really, he thought of LR ad the "Un-Photoshop" sort like 7-UP being the Un-Cola, not really the anti-Photoshop :~)

The main fulcrum in the decision axis is what image processing is BEST done with raw processing and what is best done in Photoshop? Since LR is an extension of Camera Raw's processing pipeline and that pipeline is designed and controlled by Thomas Knoll (who also happened to develop Photoshop), the push to add features and functionality to Camera Raw is really based on what is the optimal processing for raw files. Those things that can (and should) be done in ACR are done in ACR and the rest deferred to Photoshop.

There is no conscience effort to keep stuff out of ACR/LR to preserve Photoshop sales...seriously, if you think that, you don't understand the Photoshop marketplace. Photographers make up a very, very small % of the Photoshop user base (under 10% and getting smaller). The real line in the sand is what is best done with a metadata editor and what is best done with a pixel editor.

There's a lot of editing that's really easy to do (easy meaning engineering-wise) with pixels that is very, very difficult to do with metadata edits. If you understand the distinction, it becomes easier to understand what to hope for and ask for in terms of new features and functionality in ACR/LR. And, remember, both pipelines are tied together...what goes in one, will be in the other. I'm sure there will be some nice surprises showing up in LR 5 and ACR 8...(in fact, I already know some of them).

But...it's not really useful asking for features that are conceptually not designed for the basic task that ACR/LR was/is designed for; raw image processing.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: bobtowery on February 26, 2013, 01:21:43 pm
In my own usage, color coding has little value, whereas keywording has great value. I'd love to be able to assign specific keywords to keys 6,7,8,9,0. I'd put my five most often used keywords on them and boy would that save me some time. (And yes I'm familiar with spray painting keywords.)
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: markly86 on February 26, 2013, 01:52:15 pm
A free upgrade from LR4
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on February 26, 2013, 08:24:54 pm
Color coding may have little value to you, but I often use it to sort and distribute...but that doesn't mean I use the shortcuts for it. Having said that, I think it would be nice to use a combo keys to make such changes. I haven't gotten so used to the shortcuts in LR. I use the shortcuts for ratings 1-5, and brush, zoom and many basics, but as someone suggested, it would be nice to get a large set of functions with the ability to customize them.  First thing I would adjust is the gradientM key and a few others. :-)
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: PhotoEcosse on February 27, 2013, 06:31:28 am
Color coding may have little value to you, but I often use it to sort and distribute..


Ditto - and I do use the shortcut keys.


...and going back up the thread a wee bit, to the discussion about potential competition between LR and PS, I suspect that we have already reached the stage where a combination of LR and Elements meets the genuine needs of most photographers. PS die-hards might well feel that they need CS** but, if we were starting again from scratch, what would we choose?

I am already at the stage where LR is the hub of my photoprocessing and, increasingly, I find myself using Nik and Topaz programs from within Lightroom, rather than moving into CS6. I have been trying to find something important that I currently do in CS6 that I could not do, almost as effectively in Elements.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on February 27, 2013, 03:05:33 pm
How about it being time that LR CAN read all PSD file formats, and not just Max compatible! 

This is a pain not only for new files, but all the old folders I want to import have many non-max-compat files and I would need to open each individually and save!  I just cancel out of it, and how I remember to Sync the folder later and hope it prompts me again.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on February 27, 2013, 03:08:50 pm
Also, is it my settings or does it stop reading files over 125K MBytes? If the latter, lets rid that cap. (I do think this maybe a user setting, but it should give you the option with a prompt that has a end action/solution not a statement. It can ask "Do you want to import this large file?". 
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Schewe on February 27, 2013, 03:42:38 pm
How about it being time that LR CAN read all PSD file formats, and not just Max compatible! 

Sorry, not likely because Lightroom can't read layered PSDs to create the main composite preview. I doubt there is interest in putting in a layer raster capability for legacy use of PSD when saving with the composite preview makes the PSD compatible.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on February 27, 2013, 03:54:41 pm
Also the second screen doesn't work too well. If you want to batch rate a set of images on the second screen in grid view. You can't. it only make it on the selected image. You have to switch back to the 1st screen to do this.
It would be nice to make it a TRUE dual screen support by making the Folders list movable to the second screen. This gives you more room on the 1st, and much more flex on the use of second screen. As long as it can make adjusments on the 2nd as it does on the first. This would also minimize the need to go from Lib to Dev, back to Lid modes.


Give the Folder list(Browser) with grid view on the second screen some independence, and you'd have a better LR for v5
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Whitney Dunn on March 02, 2013, 09:02:04 am
My wish list comes from someone who's recently migrated from Aperture to Lightroom. Most of the friction comes from the library module. It's capable, but cumbersome.

What I'd like to see there:

1.) a closer link between the filter bar and smart albums. Unless I'm missing something, there's no way to save the results of using the filter bar as a smart album. Equally, there's no way to have a live preview of a smart album: you first set up the criteria, then see what you get.

2.) creating new sets, collections and smart collections is unnecessarily cumbersome. If I right click on a collection set and pick "new collection", don't pop up a dialogue box - create the collection inside it with the cursor ready to name it. And let me rename something by simply double clicking on it! It works for the finder &amp; windows explorer, it should work for LR too.

3.) it would be fantastic if develop included a grid view. In the longer term, the web/slideshow/book functions really do feel modular - you generally don't do those things till you've culled your images - but develop and library seem two sides of the same coin. Rating and adjusting, tweaking and choosing, those often go hand in hand. I'd love to see those modules combined or, if that's not possible, grow closer together.

4.) a more powerful spot removal tool. Circles are useful but limited. Being able to brush with uninterrupted strokes would be much more effective.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Rory on March 02, 2013, 11:01:53 am
3.) it would be fantastic if develop included a grid view. In the longer term, the web/slideshow/book functions really do feel modular - you generally don't do those things till you've culled your images - but develop and library seem two sides of the same coin. Rating and adjusting, tweaking and choosing, those often go hand in hand. I'd love to see those modules combined or, if that's not possible, grow closer together.

I hear you Whitney.  About the grid view part of your wish - you can do that already in the second window.  It only helps you pick images to edit in Dev, but thought I would mention it in case you were not aware.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: ErikKaffehr on March 02, 2013, 11:26:25 am
Hi,

I would like to have some kind of luminosity mask.

Also I would like to have relative presets (like ten percent brighter) that could be temporarily applied to a set of images.

LR 4 is pretty good. It has most things I ever asked for!

Best regards
Erik

Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: madmanchan on March 02, 2013, 10:59:02 pm
I would like to have some kind of luminosity mask.

For doing what types of adjustments?
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Schewe on March 02, 2013, 11:03:21 pm
For doing what types of adjustments?

And before you answer, remember who's asking...if anybody can make something happen, it's this guy :~)

(but you gotta make a real good use case and describe exactly what you are trying to do and why the current toolset fall short)
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: ErikKaffehr on March 03, 2013, 08:26:04 am
Hi,

I would use it like the gradient filter.

As an example, I use it to darken skies in Photoshop. What I do is that I duplicate the image and use multiply. Than I select blue channel (Alt-CMD-5) and create a layer mask on the top layer. Would be nice to be able to do this in LR without going to Photoshop.

So what I would like to do is essentially to apply corrections depending on the luminosity of the region.

Best regards
Erik

For doing what types of adjustments?
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: jjj on March 05, 2013, 01:31:15 am
How about it being time that LR CAN read all PSD file formats, and not just Max compatible! 

This is a pain not only for new files, but all the old folders I want to import have many non-max-compat files and I would need to open each individually and save!  I just cancel out of it, and how I remember to Sync the folder later and hope it prompts me again.
Simply write an action to do the job for you and then batch process from Bridge - Menu/tools/Photoshop/Batch IIRC, not near computer to check. I did just that and another one to convert my Duo/Tritoned  PSD files so they then appear in LR. And set PS to save files for max compatibility to avoid issue in future.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: jjj on March 05, 2013, 01:33:12 am
Hi,

I would use it like the gradient filter.

As an example, I use it to darken skies in Photoshop. What I do is that I duplicate the image and use multiply. Than I select blue channel (Alt-CMD-5) and create a layer mask on the top layer. Would be nice to be able to do this in LR without going to Photoshop.

So what I would like to do is essentially to apply corrections depending on the luminosity of the region.

Best regards
Erik

I tend to use -ve highlight attribute on grad filter as a way of doing that.
I also use the blue channel control to alter saturation and luminance as another quick and dirty sky adjustment.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: jjj on March 06, 2013, 07:51:53 am
My wish list comes from someone who's recently migrated from Aperture to Lightroom. Most of the friction comes from the library module. It's capable, but cumbersome.

What I'd like to see there:

1.) a closer link between the filter bar and smart albums. Unless I'm missing something, there's no way to save the results of using the filter bar as a smart album. Equally, there's no way to have a live preview of a smart album: you first set up the criteria, then see what you get.
Being able to create collections from criteria you've set in filter panel could be handy for many people.

Quote
2.) creating new sets, collections and smart collections is unnecessarily cumbersome. If I right click on a collection set and pick "new collection", don't pop up a dialogue box - create the collection inside it with the cursor ready to name it.
Yup. +1

Quote
And let me rename something by simply double clicking on it! It works for the finder &amp; windows explorer, it should work for LR too.
Likewise not being able to rename things inline is a clunky [and unnecessary] aspect of a programme that in general makes using a computer easier.

Quote
3.) it would be fantastic if develop included a grid view. In the longer term, the web/slideshow/book functions really do feel modular - you generally don't do those things till you've culled your images - but develop and library seem two sides of the same coin. Rating and adjusting, tweaking and choosing, those often go hand in hand. I'd love to see those modules combined or, if that's not possible, grow closer together.
I use two monitors and have grid or second loupe view on second screen - which works really well. On laptop I simply use 'D' and 'G' shortcut keys to swap between grid/library view and develop module. Some people use the strip of thumbnails along bottom, but I find it too fiddly to be of any use. Much easier and quicker to swap to grid view.

Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: hjulenissen on March 06, 2013, 09:00:28 am
I find the distinction between the graduated filter and the brush a little artificial. In the end, they end up being rendered as a spatially variable control parameter to one or more functions, right?

So why can I not draw the mask using a simultaneous combination of primitive  circles, triangles, lines, brushes etc with various opacity, edge hardness etc? That would make for one less "top-level" icon, the unification of two related concepts and more flexible editing.

-h
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Schewe on March 06, 2013, 01:32:12 pm
So why can I not draw the mask using a simultaneous combination of primitive  circles, triangles, lines, brushes etc with various opacity, edge hardness etc?

Because that's not the way it was designed and coded...the gradient is (I think) a simple vector drawn gradient over which the the gradation occurs. The brush is a painted mask that must be stored parametrically. It doesn't actually create a mask, it stores the mask in X Y coordinates and then uses those numbers to render the mask during processing. Both functions, the gradient and the brush are totally different concepts in terms of describing the way an adjustment will be applied locally.

And believe me, what the engineers have already done is pretty darn remarkable mathematically and in code. Yes, I would like to be able to modify a gradient with a brush...but in the grand scheme of things, the way things are at the moment (things can always be added–hint, hint) allows for pretty useful local control over the raw processing. If you need more complicated adjustments or greater precision, there's this little application called Photoshop...you may have heard of it?
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: hjulenissen on March 06, 2013, 01:48:38 pm
Because that's not the way it was designed and coded...the gradient is (I think) a simple vector drawn gradient over which the the gradation occurs. The brush is a painted mask that must be stored parametrically. It doesn't actually create a mask, it stores the mask in X Y coordinates and then uses those numbers to render the mask during processing. Both functions, the gradient and the brush are totally different concepts in terms of describing the way an adjustment will be applied locally.
The way Lightroom is presented makes us (users) prone to not care about how it is coded. That is a great quality! It also makes you wonder "how could things be even better for the user", instead of "ah, I understand why the application has this quirk because the underlying algorithm has to ..."

Eventually, no matter if it is a vector or a bitmap, I assume that the parameters are somehow transferred to a "fixed" image processing pipeline. If the gradient and the brush are both affecting WB, then I assume that they are somehow merged into something that can control the WB-processing-thingy, instead of doing two pixel-affecting WB-processing-thingys in series.

The reason I am requesting this is that I often find the application of brush tedious, time-consuming, and difficult to align to large simple geometric shapes. The gradient, on the other hand, is very coarse and always straight. I might like to make a general outline of the horizon using something like the gradient (or perhaps a smooth low-order spline), then use something like the brush to add/detract to it to work my way around trees or other irregularities. Then I'd like the two of them linked to e.g. pull down the exposure of my sky. Perhaps there is some neat work-around inside Lightroom that I did not think of?
...there's this little application called Photoshop...you may have heard of it?
Tried it... not anyhing for me. I can code basic image processing easier (and a lot more satisfying) in MATLAB than I can navigate the frustrating endless popup windows, minimal icons and OS-alien interface concepts. If I can't do the simple stuff within an hour ("hello world"), I seem unable to motivate myself to work until I am able to do the fancy stuff (and I am impressed by the stuff photoshop-jockeys produce). Photoshop feels to me much like Wordperfect did in the late 80s: a mature product that did everything the core users expected it to do and blistering fast, but soon to be beaten commercially by the (in many ways inferior) Microsoft Word that made basic chores simpler for basic users.

Perhaps I am just lazy and a cheapskate...

-h
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Schewe on March 06, 2013, 03:05:41 pm
The way Lightroom is presented makes us (users) prone to not care about how it is coded. That is a great quality! It also makes you wonder "how could things be even better for the user", instead of "ah, I understand why the application has this quirk because the underlying algorithm has to ..."

I'm just explaining why what you are asking for would be a MAJOR bit of engineering...and unlikely to be done. On the other hand, there may be other approaches that could be done...like maybe a radial based gradient. But having the graduated filter and the adjustment brush work together to modify the adjustment area interactively is simply not in the cards based on the way the features were designed. Sorry, but I'm trying to explain why what you think you want likely won't happen so you can move on to some other feature request that might.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: John Cothron on March 06, 2013, 03:44:05 pm
User defined fields, specifically for those of us who are still scanning film and wish to store film specific information in metadata.  This would alleviate the need for things like EXIF tool.  Also a general notes field, over and above the current caption field but with the same characteristics.   I apologize if these have already been mentioned.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: john beardsworth on March 06, 2013, 04:07:19 pm
User defined fields....
You can add them but only through the SDK - look up my Big Note plug-in as an example. However, I agree LR should have built-in custom fields, as they are in most other cataloguing apps.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: John Cothron on March 06, 2013, 04:26:39 pm
You can add them but only through the SDK - look up my Big Note plug-in as an example. However, I agree LR should have built-in custom fields, as they are in most other cataloguing apps.

I actually use your Big Note plug-in for exactly that purpose.  The only issue I have with that is running out of space.  It has a character limit of some number (haven't counted), while the caption field seems to be a "memo" type field with lots of storage available. 
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Chris Kern on March 06, 2013, 07:11:42 pm
I'm trying to explain why what you think you want likely won't happen so you can move on to some other feature request that might.

I'm interpreting this as a hint that the feature-set for LR 5 isn't fixed yet—that your friends at Adobe are still interested in hearing what else their customers want most to see in the next major rev.

I have been doing a lot of both exterior and interior architectural shooting lately.  Strictly amateur: my wife and I are building a new house and I'm documenting the construction.  While the combination of the LR4 automated and manual “lens correction” controls almost always permits me to achieve the result I want, often a lot of fiddling is involved.  Specifically, on some shots I find I need to make many repetitive, finicky, vertical, horizontal and rotational adjustments before the perspective looks correct to me.  (I'm not working with a T/S lens.)

Maybe there's no way around this other than improving my capture technique and/or technology.  I've tried other software, including DxO and Photoshop, that doesn't perform perspective correction any better than LR.  Or any worse, for that matter.  In other words, I pretty much can get where I want to be whatever product I use, but it frequently takes longer than I would like.  (This is my first experience with what for me is high-volume PP.)  What I'm looking for is a simpler but equally-effective toolset rather than an improvement in core functionality.

Anyway, since these days easily 90 percent of what I shoot is post-processed exclusively in LR, I thought I'd throw this into the ever-enlarging request queue.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Schewe on March 06, 2013, 10:16:28 pm
I'm interpreting this as a hint that the feature-set for LR 5 isn't fixed yet—that your friends at Adobe are still interested in hearing what else their customers want most to see in the next major rev.

It's always useful to have the LR engineers get feedback from customers...and feature wishes. But realize that what can be done, version to version, is outside of the engineer's hands and in the hands of the product managers who determine feature triage. As for whether or not LR5 features are or are not "fixed yet", I could not answer...but I don't think you should try to read the tea leaves.  Nothing I've said so far in this thread should be taken as an indication LR5 is or is not feature locked. Fact is, nothing is ever truly feature locked until the final GM version of any software ships. And now that Lightroom has joined Photoshop in the Creative Cloud, not even that is set in stone.

Don't try to read the tea leaves, just make your tea and drink it :~)
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: David Eichler on March 12, 2013, 08:54:47 pm
Would like the ability to batch export multiple presets.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: jwlimages on March 14, 2013, 01:06:22 pm
I have a request for a simple addition to the UI - in Grid view, how about adding arrows to the scroll bar for more precise scrolling through images?

My primary catalog is only 16K images or so, but moving through it in grid view is so awkward when limited to clicking in or dragging the scroll bar. Simply adding arrows would allow for much more precision moving around the catalog.

I know the Mac UI guidelines seem to be trying to eliminate scroll arrows - they're hidden until I hover/click in the scroll bar area. But it seems like they would be a big help to navigation in Grid view. Anyone else find their absence an issue?

John
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Schewe on March 14, 2013, 01:17:21 pm
Anyone else find their absence an issue?

Nope...I use a scroll wheel mouse. Trying to scroll by clicking with the mouse is, kinda antiquated...even if you are on a laptop, gestures work better (well, on the Mac). So, I doubt this will happen...sorry.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: jwlimages on March 14, 2013, 01:33:52 pm
Hi Jeff,

Quote
Nope...I use a scroll wheel mouse.

-- for me, that's about as imprecise as dragging the little "box" in the scroll bar. Oh well...

John
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Bryan Conner on March 14, 2013, 01:37:54 pm
Anyone else find their absence an issue?



I do not find their absence an issue either.  I use the up and down arrows on my keyboard to move one row at a time and the page up, page down keys if I wish to move in greater increments.  I think they are called page up and page down on an English keyboard.  On my German keyboard they are called Bild up and Bild down.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: nufarydyna on March 15, 2013, 02:44:09 pm
I am surprised that nobody so far mentioned output modules. Slideshow is probably most underdeveloped module in LR. It does not have Ken-Burn effects, limited transitions and it does not allow use more than one piece of music. So, if your slideshow is longer than 3-4 min than you have to use one of symphonies by Gustav Mahler :)
Also book module which I use extensively needs some improvements, mainly more flexibility with page layouts. I do not ask for InDesign type of capabilities, but at least something like picture package in LR print module.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: JeanMichel on March 15, 2013, 02:57:22 pm
Hi,
Perhaps an easier way to change a crop from horizontal to vertical. I did find out about the "X" shortcut -- can't get any simpler I guess --  but before I did the exercise was a little bit frustrating.
Jean-Michel
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Rory on March 16, 2013, 12:37:56 am
Hi,
Perhaps an easier way to change a crop from horizontal to vertical. I did find out about the "X" shortcut -- can't get any simpler I guess --  but before I did the exercise was a little bit frustrating.
Jean-Michel

So, you are wishing you knew about X? 
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on March 17, 2013, 12:21:07 am
IMPORTING FILES:

I wish on import from a device or memory card
(mainly the large cards that last for days and different shooting needs).......

                   we could select a group of images and RIGHT CLICK to decide where that group is going as a destination path/folder......AND set its own Keywords from the rest as they will go to other destination/keyword group.  This would help organize so much faster and help automate things.

For those that put all their eggs in one basket and think LR is the only application they will use for organizing..... and dictate every aspect of images via LightRooms organization tools (the destination maybe not so useful for those who select a 1 ended solution)....

The group keywords alone would be a major help

Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: SangRaal on March 20, 2013, 02:18:19 pm
Sigma XF3 raw processing --- SPP is awful(at least compared to LightRoom)
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: jrp on March 20, 2013, 02:59:16 pm
I would like to be able to hand off different raw file format to different applications; sometimes I prefer / need to use the specific features of the native raw converter for the format (Capture NX2, Sony Image Data Converter, ...).
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Adam L on March 20, 2013, 03:13:03 pm
I came up with another request when working with lightroom last night.   I find the sliders are very difficult to move when trying to do some very fine movement - even with the panel stretched out.

I know this is a long shot but if it's possible to put that functionality on the scroll wheel of the mouse or to create a refine button that allows for very small movements?
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on March 20, 2013, 03:55:31 pm
I came up with another request when working with lightroom last night.   I find the sliders are very difficult to move when trying to do some very fine movement - even with the panel stretched out.

I know this is a long shot but if it's possible to put that functionality on the scroll wheel of the mouse or to create a refine button that allows for very small movements?

You can use the up and down arrow keys. Click in the numeric box next to the slider first.

Jeremy
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: jjj on March 20, 2013, 05:23:37 pm
I came up with another request when working with lightroom last night.   I find the sliders are very difficult to move when trying to do some very fine movement - even with the panel stretched out.

I know this is a long shot but if it's possible to put that functionality on the scroll wheel of the mouse or to create a refine button that allows for very small movements?
Alternatively make the panels a more useful width. I find the needless restriction of the max width of LR panels very frustrating at times, particularly with big monitors we have at our disposal these days.
Because they are so narrow, I cannot read my folder names properly and tell where I am or where I need to go to at times.
Luckily Jeffrey Friedl has a tool (http://regex.info/blog/2007-03-13/395) to sort out that and many other useful LR tools (http://regex.info/blog/lightroom-goodies) too. His configuration manager allows one to make LR panels as wide as you require.  ;D
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Mark F on March 21, 2013, 03:46:15 pm
When I've masked an area, the ability to choose the inverse. Similar to the CS6 inverse command for a selection.

And I really do wish the import speed could be improved, as well as the speed when going to 100% or greater.

And while I'm at it, why not add some filters and improve the slide show module?
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on March 22, 2013, 03:43:08 pm
Can these 14 pages!!!! be organized then tally up which are overlapping, and then voted on?
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Schewe on March 22, 2013, 05:36:15 pm
Sure, go ahead...

But just to let you all know, it's way too late in the LR5 dev cycle for a polled list of features now to have any impact on LR5 when it's released. LR5 either will or won't have some of the stuff discussed (and yes, "some" things will be in LR5 as well as some other things nobody has even mentioned) but anything here now that isn't already planned for LR5 will have to wait till the next time and the odds are some of what people have been asking for may change considerably for LR6.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: schrodingerscat on March 22, 2013, 05:42:49 pm
Easier way to deal with the Library and Catalog when moving between multiple machines and drives.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on March 22, 2013, 08:10:06 pm
Makes sense for all you said. Not that it was very giving. But it made sense :-)

maybe it is worth listing and seeing what we can cross out, and what can be kept to carry over.

I've never done a poll online.  Anyone want to work with me on this?   I have an hour or 2 to contribute and make it happen.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Chris Kern on March 23, 2013, 09:12:40 pm
it's way too late in the LR5 dev cycle for a polled list of features now to have any impact on LR5 when it's released. LR5 either will or won't have some of the stuff discussed (and yes, "some" things will be in LR5 as well as some other things nobody has even mentioned) but anything here now that isn't already planned for LR5 will have to wait till the next time and the odds are some of what people have been asking for may change considerably for LR6.

Now that LR is part of the Adobe “Creative Cloud” licensing scheme, can those of us who have subscribed expect to see incremental feature enhancements (i.e., between major releases) after LR5 ships?

If so, does Adobe have an established process for J. Random End-User to communicate enhancement requests?  Do the developers monitor the Lightroom forum at Adobe.Com, for example?

I suspect many of us would be interested in anything you or Eric Chan could tell us regarding either of these issues.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Schewe on March 24, 2013, 12:11:00 am
I suspect many of us would be interested in anything you or Eric Chan could tell us regarding either of these issues.

Well, Eric is pretty busy these days (head down working on new stuff ya now). As for how LR will exist in the Creative Cloud ecosphere that's a bit tough to anticipate. One might presume that ACR 8.0 and LR5.0 will be upped a bit at the .1 release (I say this only because of past experience not any specific insight with the next releases).

Photoshop CSX.X will have a feature set (including ACR 8.x) which can grown for subscribers but won't grow for point product users between major version upgrades. How that will impact LR, I really don't know. We'll see...
Title: Map Module: Filter for Untagged Files
Post by: John Caldwell on March 27, 2013, 12:27:57 pm
When the folder or collection you are browsing in the Map Module filmstrip contains a fair number of images, the Untagged Filter is flakey and unruly. Since the display of untagged images in the filmstrip "flickers" as you scroll left and right, I'm finding it best to identify untagged images by creating a Smart Collection whose criteria is No GPS Coordinates.

Anyhow, the Map module seems pretty mature to me for being its 1st version, and I hope that this filter for untagged gets some attention.

John Caldwell
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: madmanchan on March 27, 2013, 10:16:52 pm
Internally we have a (rather long) list of feature requests and ideas, most of them gathered from you -- photographers!  So it's helpful for me to read this thread and understand what the requests and pain points are.  I take particular note of things that I may be able to tackle myself.  But in any given development cycle, there are many more requests than we can implement, so we have to choose carefully. 
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: jjj on March 28, 2013, 12:39:49 pm
My biggest request is to have LR be responsive.
It's the backbone of my image workflow as I love the programme. But sadly since LR3, I've been one of those who has had speeds ranging from dreadful to appalling, with occasional patches of being OK. Sometimes I can wait 20 secs to see what a slider does. Previews take so long to render I can't even tell if an image is sharp for what seems like eternity.
Recently put LR Cat and previews on an SSD to see that helped and unfortunately nada.  :(
If demoing LR, I can't develop live as LR can be so embarrassingly slow to use at times and so I mainly rely on pre-cooked images.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: John Cothron on March 29, 2013, 11:47:23 pm
I'm trying to start a list, but some off the top of my head:

1.  Ability to export keywords in something other than alphabetical order.  There are many reasons this would be beneficial, but the specific one that comes to mind is Alamy.
2.  Ability to see development history in a right-click context menu...or some other means than having to go to the develop module to see it.  It's not the develop settings persay, but that is also where export history, print history, etc. is kept.
3.  The only place I sometimes see a "slow-down" is when using the spot healing tool.  That seems to affect performance far more than anything else in the workflow (for me).  I don't know how you make it "faster", but that would be a good area to look for improvement.  I have seen others mention peformance issues in this same area.
4.  User created fields.  Again this would be useful for many reasons, but having another "memo" type field that performs like the caption would be wonderful.  Also, being able to create film photography related fields. 
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Robert55 on March 30, 2013, 05:37:11 am
The crop tool is also rather slow to start, especially if you want to use Angle [I wish I could go to that directly.

A small thing: in "Edit in" in LR 'HDR pro' is lower in the menu than 'merge to pano', in Bridge /tools and PS  [CS5 at least] it is just the other way around.

Backing-up the catalogue has a stage near the end where it takes an inordinate amount of resources, bringing other programmes almost to a stand still. Also LR remains the active window, which has no point.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: john beardsworth on March 30, 2013, 06:42:31 am
1.  Ability to export keywords in something other than alphabetical order.  There are many reasons this would be beneficial, but the specific one that comes to mind is Alamy.
It would be interesting if you could come up with those other reasons, if there are any. To my knowledge, Alamy is the only one that people ever mention.

4.  User created fields.  Again this would be useful for many reasons, but having another "memo" type field that performs like the caption would be wonderful.  Also, being able to create film photography related fields. 
Couldn't agree more. Look up my Big Note plug-in (http://lightroomsolutions.com/plug-ins/big-note/) which you can expand if you're (slightly) technically-minded. But this shouldn't be left to plug-ins - no other serious photo cataloguing program lacks custom fields.

John
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: David Hufford on March 30, 2013, 08:12:44 am
I'll try one. It's a minor irritant, but I'd like a way to select a photo for the top of a stack and keep it there until I decide another should replace it. Right now, if I make a virtual copy or send a tiff to another application, it moves that to the top of the stack. Drives me nuts which I suppose explains a lot.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: mburke on March 30, 2013, 08:47:19 am
How about being able to delete just one history step. I haven't been able to figure out how to do that.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: john beardsworth on March 30, 2013, 08:51:07 am
There's no great point doing so, so I wouldn't spend too much time trying to figure it out.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Rhossydd on March 30, 2013, 08:59:55 am
There's no great point doing so,
YMMV, this has been asked for many times before and could be useful.

For anyone particularly keen to drop a single process setting, it's partially possible by saving the develop setting of the image without the setting you wish to omit, then clearing all the history back to import, then pasting the previous develop setting back.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: John Cothron on March 30, 2013, 10:53:35 am
It would be interesting if you could come up with those other reasons, if there are any. To my knowledge, Alamy is the only one that people ever mention.

Another one is Smug Mug... for whatever reason they don't seem to fully index beyond a certain number of keywords (I've just discovered this in trying to base a smart collection on keywords).  Some of my images would not be recognized for the keyword.  The only difference I can see thusfar is that those images have more keywords.  Granted I'm still looking into this one.

Another is just the way Lightroom sorts in the keyword list (which is slight different but still alphabetical).  There are some parts of the hierarchy I would like to keyword first, second, etc.  Sure I can use underscore, asterick, etc. to make it work but why not just let it be user ordered.

In my mind, I would think Lightroom could write the keywords just as they are laid out in the hierarchy and in that order.  Maybe that's more difficult than it seems.


Quote
Couldn't agree more. Look up my Big Note plug-in (http://lightroomsolutions.com/plug-ins/big-note/) which you can expand if you're (slightly) technically-minded. But this shouldn't be left to plug-ins - no other serious photo cataloguing program lacks custom fields.



John

I do use your Big Note plug-in.  The field size is limited however.  I'm familiar with some programming, I've used VB and SQL a lot (almost every day).  I've looked at the code and I can't determine how to set the field type and/or size property.  I've looked into it a little but the answer didn't come up quickly.  If I could figure that out it would be perfect for my needs.  As you said however, why have to use a plug-in for that purpose?  There are many other fields that would be great to use as well (film type, lens, etc.) for film photography information.  Currently I use analog exif or exif tool for that, but it's a separate step in the workflow.  If you would be willing to give me a clue how to change the field size (amount that can be stored) I'd be eternally grateful :)
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: john beardsworth on March 30, 2013, 11:06:22 am
I do use your Big Note plug-in.  The field size is limited however.  I'm familiar with some programming, I've used VB and SQL a lot (almost every day).... If you would be willing to give me a clue how to change the field size (amount that can be stored) I'd be eternally grateful :)

I don't think there's a limit on the amount that can be stored in the field, John, but the file MetadataPanel.lua has a line which sets the size of the field:

{ formatter = 'uk.co.beardsworth.note.jbNote', height_in_lines=15 , topLabel=true },   

MetadataDefinition.lua contains the field definitions, and you can add extra fields by duplicating the one that's already defined and changing its id. You'd also have to add the field's id to the MetadataPanel. But beware, my background was also in VB and SQL and I started figuring out Lua by messing around with custom fields. It's a slippery slope with a sticky end.

John
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: john beardsworth on March 30, 2013, 11:10:52 am
YMMV, this has been asked for many times before and could be useful.
No, it's mostly because those people imagine it's more than a mere log of what you've done.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: John Cothron on March 30, 2013, 11:36:03 am
I don't think there's a limit on the amount that can be stored in the field, John, but the file MetadataPanel.lua has a line which sets the size of the field:

{ formatter = 'uk.co.beardsworth.note.jbNote', height_in_lines=15 , topLabel=true },   

MetadataDefinition.lua contains the field definitions, and you can add extra fields by duplicating the one that's already defined and changing its id. You'd also have to add the field's id to the MetadataPanel. But beware, my background was also in VB and SQL and I started figuring out Lua by messing around with custom fields. It's a slippery slope with a sticky end.

John

Thanks John, I've been looking some more since I posed my response earlier.  I can change the height in lines, in fact I did, hoping that might possibly be the answer.  As I suspected, that part of the definition just formats the size of the box in the lightroom panel. 

The storage limit is somewhere around 500 characters, it SEEMS to be 502 with spaces or 420ish without.  I tested by filling up the text box with characters till it wouldn't take anymore.  Interestingly, if you go over the limit it removes the entire paragraph as opposed to just that character that is over.  I got around that by hitting ctrl ENTER at the end of each line.  I'm still looking, but thusfar I can see nothing that determines the maximum length of the 'string' data type.  If I had run across a data type of 'memo' I would have just changed the type, but far as I can tell lua doesn't support that like SQL.  The only text based field type I can see is 'string'. 

I do appreciate your response, thank you :)
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: john beardsworth on March 30, 2013, 12:49:23 pm
You're welcome. I can't see any documentation of a limit. One guess is that specifying dataType is optional, so I wonder what happens if it's not set. Maybe try that?
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: John Cothron on March 30, 2013, 02:34:30 pm
I read somewhere that the datatype will default to string.  Tried it anyway just to see, got the same behavior as I had before so it didn't make any difference.  I also learned when you change the data type you have to change the version number :)
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: john beardsworth on March 30, 2013, 03:39:53 pm
I also learned when you change the data type you have to change the version number :)
And isn't the error message so helpful? Not. I warn you, fiddling with this stuff endangers your sanity.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: cmi on March 30, 2013, 09:11:40 pm
Ok this is not so strictly for Lightroom but for Camera Raw (since I work more with Bridge), a version-mixer for the snapshot-panel would be cool, where you could mix several snapshots weighted on percentage like layers. I sometimes do that in Photoshop, blend 2 or 3 different versions to create a final master.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Schewe on March 30, 2013, 09:19:56 pm
Sorry to be a wet blanket (again) but the structure of the way settings are set and applied would not work for the concept of "blending" between different settings. Aside from the structure of the settings, the fact that snapshots can store multiple Process Versions would make blending between them completely impossible because the various PVs use totally different algorithms that could never be blended...sorry, not gonna happen.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: cmi on March 31, 2013, 05:48:45 am
Too bad, but good to hear that so frankly from someone competent.

Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: stamper on March 31, 2013, 06:25:14 am
I suspect that about 95% wished for here isn't going to happen which is good because it will prevent bloat and possible slowdowns to the software. At the risk of being called an Adobe fan boy I trust they will make good decisions - mostly - and I am looking forward to the new version.  :)
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: John Cothron on March 31, 2013, 02:41:14 pm
I suspect that about 95% wished for here isn't going to happen which is good because it will prevent bloat and possible slowdowns to the software. At the risk of being called an Adobe fan boy I trust they will make good decisions - mostly - and I am looking forward to the new version.  :)

I tend to agree with you regarding the potential bloating but, at its core Lightroom is/was supposed to be an image management/raw processing tool (as I understand it).  I'd personally rather see those capabilities improve or become more efficient over things like a book module getting more complex.  It's not that I don't appreciate that it has it, but I think when you step that far away from the core purpose I think it's easier to use a tool designed specifically for that.  If bloat becomes a problem I'd rather see something like that go vs. not improving image management functionality or something to do with processing images.  Of course I'm just one opinion/mouth out here. :)
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Tony Jay on March 31, 2013, 06:42:04 pm
One of the advantages of Lightroom's design is that it not a single monolithic program.
Each module can function independently of the others - its point of reference is the database (catalog).
Obviously making each module too large and complex will impact on performance.

Although it is not sexy I feel that there is a lot of work to do in the Library module.
The Develop module is excellent.
Several of the output modules are not as functional as they could be but this is also where there is a serious risk of bloat.

Tony Jay
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: hjulenissen on April 01, 2013, 02:58:29 am
One of the advantages of Lightroom's design is that it not a single monolithic program.
Each module can function independently of the others - its point of reference is the database (catalog).
Obviously making each module too large and complex will impact on performance.
Execution time and perceived "sluggishness" are complex things. But I agree that adding a "module" to some software should only affect its harddrive/memory footprint and development cost, not necessarily slowdowns in other (unrelated) areas of the program.

-h
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: kencameron on April 01, 2013, 05:39:23 am
Sigma XF3 raw processing --- SPP is awful(at least compared to LightRoom)

SPP does what it sets out to do (convert sigma foveon raw files) very well indeed, IMO, and it has a simple and functional user interface. Lightroom won't take on Sigma raws until Lightroom engineers are satisfied they can do as good a job, or better, and that may be quite a high bar to jump.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: John Cothron on April 01, 2013, 10:10:43 pm
Another item:

A masking tool to deal with shadow noise.  This would work much like the masking tool for sharpening, but instead of looking for edges... it would look for luminance in the image.  Adjusting the slider to the right would move from applying noise reduction to the entire image, to applying it to the luminance values you really need it applied to.  Many images don't technically need much (if any) noise reduction overall, but the shadows do if you have brought them up to any large extent.  This would allow you to apply noise reduction to just those areas.

Yes, I realize you can use local adjustments to do the same thing, but it's much more tedious to do so.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: aduke on April 01, 2013, 11:58:43 pm
Interesting idea.

Perhaps an alternative definition of the slider: moving the slider to the right raises the luminance level that noise reduction is applied to. This would keep the slider movement consistent with that of the other develop module sliders.

Alan
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: John Cothron on April 02, 2013, 01:17:04 am
True, although I was thinking of it working more like the sharpening mask, the more to the right, the "less" of the image it applies to.  Meaning it would default to the far left (or close to it) so that noise reduction would be applied to all luminance levels.  i think that would be the case more so than not...for those that are shooting high ISO images.  For those of us that usually shoot very low ISO speeds, we rarely need it on the whole image... just in the deep shadows with very low luminance values.  Personally I'd rather see the default be the whole image, and any adjustment otherwise would be up to the user.
Title: Keyword Filter: Allow Presets
Post by: John Caldwell on April 04, 2013, 09:00:51 am
Once the keyword list is large it's a great help to filter the list of KW displayed. I find my filter lists are often repeated depending on assignment type, but the filter list may contain up to 20 or so keywords. So the idea of creating, reusing and editing "filter lists" is very appealing to me. It's a considerable use of time to type those lists repeatedly.

Keyword Sets, which we now have, is not equivalent to Filter List presets.

John Caldwell
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on April 05, 2013, 10:16:59 am
How about being able to delete just one history step. I haven't been able to figure out how to do that.

I mentioned that as a possibility just after LR1 was released. Jeff's response (on this site) was, well, very Jeff-like. I haven't held my breath for it since.

Jeremy
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on April 05, 2013, 10:18:04 am
Another item:

A masking tool to deal with shadow noise.  This would work much like the masking tool for sharpening, but instead of looking for edges... it would look for luminance in the image.  Adjusting the slider to the right would move from applying noise reduction to the entire image, to applying it to the luminance values you really need it applied to.  Many images don't technically need much (if any) noise reduction overall, but the shadows do if you have brought them up to any large extent.  This would allow you to apply noise reduction to just those areas.

Yes, I realize you can use local adjustments to do the same thing, but it's much more tedious to do so.  Thoughts?

I agree it would be very useful.

Jeremy
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Rhossydd on April 05, 2013, 10:50:31 am
Yes, I realize you can use local adjustments to do the same thing, but it's much more tedious to do so.  Thoughts?
I don't really see a masking provision being much different in use to local adjustment.
The real star addition would be to add the HSL panel to the local adjustment options, the TAT option would open so many possibilities.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: stamper on April 05, 2013, 10:53:03 am
The problem I see with all of the above "wishes" is that most photographers see LR as a Raw converter and a fully blown photo editor. There was a thread on the forum recently about the meaning of editor but I don't want to open that can of worms again. It wasn't intended to be both and it won't - imo - be both? Therefore I take it that most of the "wishes" won't happen especially because some of them are already implemented and some photographers didn't realise they were there. I suspect about 10% of them will be implemented in LR5 and then another wish list will start for LR6. What would be interesting would be a wish list for the modules and functions that are already implemented and could be left out in future versions. ;)
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: John Cothron on April 05, 2013, 04:31:50 pm
I don't really see a masking provision being much different in use to local adjustment.
The real star addition would be to add the HSL panel to the local adjustment options, the TAT option would open so many possibilities.


I agree HSL localized would be a very good addiition.  I still would like the masking provision for noise adjustment however.  One, I think it would be pretty easy to do, luminance data is readily available in the raw file.  Two, vx. the local adjustment brush... it's much quicker/efficient to drag a slider over with the ALT held down to see the masking, than it is to paint the adjustment in with a brush....in my opinion.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: John Cothron on April 05, 2013, 04:33:46 pm
The problem I see with all of the above "wishes" is that most photographers see LR as a Raw converter and a fully blown photo editor. There was a thread on the forum recently about the meaning of editor but I don't want to open that can of worms again. It wasn't intended to be both and it won't - imo - be both? Therefore I take it that most of the "wishes" won't happen especially because some of them are already implemented and some photographers didn't realise they were there. I suspect about 10% of them will be implemented in LR5 and then another wish list will start for LR6. What would be interesting would be a wish list for the modules and functions that are already implemented and could be left out in future versions. ;)

I don't think we will see much of this on Lr5 either, unless it just happened to be already planned by luck.  If they're reading this however, perhaps it will enter some thoughts for Lr6. 
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: hjulenissen on April 06, 2013, 06:26:51 am
The problem I see with all of the above "wishes" is that most photographers see LR as a Raw converter and a fully blown photo editor. There was a thread on the forum recently about the meaning of editor but I don't want to open that can of worms again. It wasn't intended to be both and it won't - imo - be both?
...
I have the opposite view: Lightroom was (or should be?) intended as a "fully blown" parametric photo editor integrated with a sensible database engine. By "photo editor" I mean the kind of editing that is needed by "photographers" working on "photos". It should probably never include the flexibility and functionality of Photoshop geared towards "graphics artists" and other users that do visual work far removed from photography.

If Lightroom did close to 100% of what _I_ want to do to my photos without introducing usability "clutter", then it would be worth even more to me. I am guessing that much of Lightrooms success is based on many people having sufficiently similar needs, needs that were sufficiently covered by Lightroom.

-h
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: mburke on April 06, 2013, 07:38:15 am
I mentioned that as a possibility just after LR1 was released. Jeff's response (on this site) was, well, very Jeff-like. I haven't held my breath for it since.

Jeremy

Thanks for the reply. Just the other day I was working on an old photo that had a bunch of edit steps. I wanted to warm it up and add some clarity. I didn't like the changes. It would have been nice to just highlight those 2 and hit delete. There have been times when I had a list of edits where I wanted to go back and highlight a couple steps and then delete. There may be a way to do this but I haven't run across it.

Mike
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: madmanchan on April 06, 2013, 09:30:29 am
I don't think we will see much of this on Lr5 either, unless it just happened to be already planned by luck.  If they're reading this however, perhaps it will enter some thoughts for Lr6.  

Feature requests (like the ones in this thread) and Lightroom development happen on a "staggered timeframe".  By this, I mean that the feature set for the next Lightroom was actually determined long ago, shortly after Lr 4 shipped.  This feature set was in turn determined by requests that came in during the Lr 4 development cycle (yes, we had a similar thread on LL then!).

So, John's comment above is right on:  this thread isn't going to factor into the next major Lr version, but into the one after that ...
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: John Cothron on April 06, 2013, 10:04:34 am
Feature requests (like the ones in this thread) and Lightroom development happen on a "staggered timeframe".  By this, I mean that the feature set for the next Lightroom was actually determined long ago, shortly after Lr 4 shipped.  This feature set was in turn determined by requests that came in during the Lr 4 development cycle (yes, we had a similar thread on LL then!).

So, John's comment above is right on:  this thread isn't going to factor into the next major Lr version, but into the one after that ...


Thanks for the confirmation Eric, now just give me my luminance mask for noise  ;D
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on April 06, 2013, 03:28:55 pm
How about a simple Envoke backup NOW!!

It is tough to expect large catalogs to be backed up at all intervals and a manual backup is a must
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: stamper on April 07, 2013, 05:03:42 am
Thanks for the reply. Just the other day I was working on an old photo that had a bunch of edit steps. I wanted to warm it up and add some clarity. I didn't like the changes. It would have been nice to just highlight those 2 and hit delete. There have been times when I had a list of edits where I wanted to go back and highlight a couple steps and then delete. There may be a way to do this but I haven't run across it.

Mike

If you were to delete two edits then that will have an effect on the others you made? I know that all of the edits are applied at the end but from a workflow point of view it changes everything. If you make a boost in contrast followed by a small boost in saturation and then delete the contrast edit then the saturation boost will be affected. Personally if I don't like what image looks like after it is "finished" then I would start over again.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: stamper on April 07, 2013, 05:06:46 am
I have the opposite view: Lightroom was (or should be?) intended as a "fully blown" parametric photo editor integrated with a sensible database engine. By "photo editor" I mean the kind of editing that is needed by "photographers" working on "photos". It should probably never include the flexibility and functionality of Photoshop geared towards "graphics artists" and other users that do visual work far removed from photography.

If Lightroom did close to 100% of what _I_ want to do to my photos without introducing usability "clutter", then it would be worth even more to me. I am guessing that much of Lightrooms success is based on many people having sufficiently similar needs, needs that were sufficiently covered by Lightroom.

-h

And how much more would you be willing to spend when buying the next version? Nobody seems to think about that when they make multiple wishes. It all costs money with regards to research and implementation. :)
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Rhossydd on April 07, 2013, 05:21:25 am
And how much more would you be willing to spend when buying the next version?
That, of course, depends on what's in it, or what's taken out.

I'd happily pay £250( $375) for an upgrade if it had all the features I'd like added, and the unnecessary resource wasting bits stripped out. The chances of the later happening seem pretty slim though.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: stamper on April 07, 2013, 05:42:20 am
I don't think that most users would be willing to pay that much? Many at the moment see LR as a cheap alternative to PS and wish for it to remain that way. There has to be a balance but finding it is difficult. I am sure Adobe knows where the balance is but obviously won't reveal it.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Rhossydd on April 07, 2013, 05:55:19 am
Many at the moment see LR as a cheap alternative to PS and wish for it to remain that way.
An interesting way to think of it.
I don't see it as an alternative to PS at all. It does so much more and has become the core of my photographic workflow and as such I'm prepared to pay a significant amount to pull it up to what I'd like to see it do.
Whether I'd pay that much for another couple of minor additions is a different matter.

I've pretty much given up upgrading PS at CS4 after which they started taking things out I used. I can't see myself upgrading PS again now. The few things I can't do in LR now, can be done in CS4 or ID4 (or even The Gimp, Scribus or Booksmart).

The only thing that will kill LR for me is if they move it to being a cloud based operation, then I'll be looking elsewhere.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: John Cothron on April 07, 2013, 10:36:58 am
Many at the moment see LR as a cheap alternative to PS and wish for it to remain that way.

That may very well be true, I don't know.  I tend to look at Lr for what I believe it was intended to be...A tool for photographers to edit images/convert from RAW, and an asset management program.  Personally I think it does both of those very well as is, in ways...much better than Ps ever did.  That may not be technically true (better than Ps), but it is certainly geared toward those things that a PHOTOGRAPHER wants to do with their images.  Ps on the other hand, covers a very wide gamut of image creation and/or manipulation.  I think the balance you spoke of is just that, the line between actual photography vs. electronically created art. While Ps will do either, Lr focuses on the photography end of things.

While I use Ps from time to time, those needs are reduced to something like stitching images, or removing a distracting highway sign in an otherwise very nice image.  Things that step outside the normal bounds of "photography", at least in my opinion.  Sure there are tweaks I'd love to see, both on the asset management side as well as the development side.  I don't need layers in Lr however, while I understand that some do.  The edits in Lr are already not destructive, which is part of why layers came into existence isn't it? (perhaps I'm wrong about that).  I recently got the set of Nik plugins, mainly for Silver Efex.  I DO like the UPoint method of selection it is much easier/faster than an adjustment brush.  Again that is above and beyond the normal photograph in my opinion (much like HDR), so I'm quite comfortable either moving to Ps or some plugin to accomplish those.

Things like I've mentioned above though; tools for noise control, keyword management, EXIF data field management, etc. are things that relate specifically to what I believe the core purpose of Lr is and was supposed to be.  If I have to pay a little more for those things, so be it.  It is still more useful (therefore more valuable) to me than Ps will be.

***Qualify all of the above as someone that started with Lr, as opposed to a convert from Ps, etc. to an application like Lr.  I'm sure that gives me a different perspective from some.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: hjulenissen on April 07, 2013, 01:39:07 pm
And how much more would you be willing to spend when buying the next version? Nobody seems to think about that when they make multiple wishes. It all costs money with regards to research and implementation. :)
Adding features in itself costs nearly nothing in software products (just check the near infinite feature-list of many low-cost embedded products such as TVs). What seems to have a development cost (or, equivalently, enable companies to charge a higher price from the customer) is delivering a well thought-out product consisting of just the right (working) features without the distracting bloat.

I am fully aware that feature-creep would be the result if every single customer had their saying in the next version of Lightroom. With 3000 sliders, check-buttons, pop-ups and whatnot working in a non-intuitive manner (is this not a good description of Photoshop?). Thus, Adobe are no doubt aware that improving Lightroom is a balancing act between the stuff that customers claim that they want, what they are willing to pay for, and what will actually make them happy.

As a paying customer since version 1.0, I have opinions on how that balancing act should be carried out, no doubt biased by my own interests and background. I allow myself to be quite vocal about it, hoping that it pushes Adobe (ever so slightly) in a direction that would benefit me personally.

I do photography as a hobby, and spend some time in front of Lightroom. If I felt that I could do significantly more in less time, and/or get significantly better results, a price of $150 vs $300 would be of less importance.

I do feel that the price of Photoshop has less to do with the man-hours spent writing the code (at least the added code in the later versions), and more with the price that Adobe are able to get from a market where they have a practical monopoly, and where people have devoted careers to knowing every quirk of that particular application.

-h
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: jjj on April 07, 2013, 06:14:58 pm
I am fully aware that feature-creep would be the result if every single customer had their saying in the next version of Lightroom. With 3000 sliders, check-buttons, pop-ups and whatnot working in a non-intuitive manner (is this not a good description of Photoshop?).
Nope.  :P
As someone who taught people how to use both programmes, I'd say people are equally baffled by each programme, albeit in different ways. But once you grok how each programme works then they are both very easy to use. The "difficulty" in using either is more to do with the myriad things you can do and choosing what to do and when to do it. This takes experience and practice time. Something not everyone can be bothered to do.
This also raises an important issue. Ease of use, intuitive, simple are words oft used when taking about software, yet what people often miss is the fact that some tasks are actually complex and there is not necessarily a simple one button solution to do something and to get good at most things requires practice, lots of practice. And sometimes after using  software for longer periods, you realise that the 'quirky/unintuitive' behaviours have a good reason to be there. Though sadly you also get software that gets more annoying as you realise its limitations/stupid behaviour.
Also intuitive is all too often used instead of the word familiar, despite them having very different meanings. LR being a database and a parametric editor worked in a way most people were unfamiliar with, which caused confusion for many coming from bitmap photo editors as it worked in a quite unfamiliar way. Intuitive means easy to use even if unfamiliar with (in this case) the software.

I actually find some programmes that try and go the simple route end up being simplistic instead and can in fact be quite difficult to use.  Particularly programmes that go the route of removing features/buttons in order to be simpler - which is such a lazy approach. One Apple is guilty of at times.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: bill t. on April 07, 2013, 09:36:45 pm
See that little checkbox labeled "Remove Chromatic Aberration"?

I want one just like it labeled "Remove Diffraction Effects, Completely".

Such a little thing, am I asking too much?
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on April 07, 2013, 10:35:41 pm
Diffraction effects I would think is close to or same as sharpen. I don't know if you can "gain" sharpness back from something that isn't there to begin with. Of course you can add sharpness, but this is different detail than getting a image without blade distortion.
Try approaching your shoot to avoid diffraction, or use Sharpen, maybe clarity helps....
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: bill t. on April 07, 2013, 11:08:06 pm
Well, we can to some extent deconvolute out of focus blur by running the well knows physics of optics backwards.

Since we also understand the physics of diffraction, why not run that precisely backwards rather than approximating a fix with sharpening?

Speaking empirically, I have often tried to sharpen away f16 diffraction, and it's just not the same creature as f8 out-of-focus.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: hjulenissen on April 08, 2013, 02:59:45 am
Nope.  :P
As someone who taught people how to use both programmes, I'd say people are equally baffled by each programme, albeit in different ways. But once you grok how each programme works then they are both very easy to use. The "difficulty" in using either is more to do with the myriad things you can do and choosing what to do and when to do it. This takes experience and practice time. Something not everyone can be bothered to do.
I have tested Photoshop a few times over the last decade. Every time I stopped once I had spent a couple of hours not being able to do _anything_. If I borrowed a camera and still hadn't made a single image after 2 hours I would probably return it. For me the process of learning has to have minor rewards along the way (such as the joy of seeing an image being gradually improved). I think this is the only reason that Microsoft Office was able to dominate its market in the 90s, people could write and print a simple letter within minutes without ever touching the advanced menus. The competitors had features geared towards the experienced users, but did not care much about soccer-mums.
Quote
This also raises an important issue. Ease of use, intuitive, simple are words oft used when taking about software, yet what people often miss is the fact that some tasks are actually complex and there is not necessarily a simple one button solution to do something and to get good at most things requires practice, lots of practice. And sometimes after using  software for longer periods, you realise that the 'quirky/unintuitive' behaviours have a good reason to be there. Though sadly you also get software that gets more annoying as you realise its limitations/stupid behaviour.
Sure. User interaction is tough. The good thing about Lightroom (and many Apple products) is that they seem to have found a well-defined group of users and focus on helping them getting the job done with a minimum of effort. This means cutting sexy features that expert users and intern software developers might want to include.
Quote
Also intuitive is all too often used instead of the word familiar, despite them having very different meanings. LR being a database and a parametric editor worked in a way most people were unfamiliar with, which caused confusion for many coming from bitmap photo editors as it worked in a quite unfamiliar way. Intuitive means easy to use even if unfamiliar with (in this case) the software.
When writing software for MS Windows, one should adhere to that platforms conventions. Windows users will be familiar with certain items being in the "file" menu, and certain actions being available by right-clicking. Adobe sadly does not seem to think so.

Parametric editing is a major obstacle, but it seems that the rewards are sufficient that many users take the time to learn it.
Quote
I actually find some programmes that try and go the simple route end up being simplistic instead and can in fact be quite difficult to use.  Particularly programmes that go the route of removing features/buttons in order to be simpler - which is such a lazy approach. One Apple is guilty of at times.
It is easy to add buttons or remove buttons. The hard part is helping a sufficiently large group of users do what they expect from a product (or what they will learn to appreciate) as effort-less as possible.

My Sony tv has a web-browser, dlna, installable apps, and what not. It also has 5 hdmi inputs, loudspeakers and loads of other stuff that I will never use. For me personally, it is clearly a case of putting in too many irrelevant features instead of focusing on the primary concern for me: image quality vs price. Now, I judged this particular tv to have very good image quality, but Sony could still have lowered their dev costs and sold it to me at higher margins (or, preferreably, diverted those resouces to the zoned backlighting system).


It seems that Adobe is focusing on adding new modules for rendering images in various forms. This is not the direction that I want them to go. I want:
1)Very good raw development/editing (HDR stacking, pano stitching, simple multi-image layering)
2)Very good database/search functions (I am convinced that it could be done more intuitive and flexible. Face detection? Focus/exposure quality estimation? I dont know...)
3)Very good export/print to paper or jpeg (I have less gripes with this part)
 
This is (to my mind) the core Lightroom functionality that should work fast, intuitive and with very good results. Other modules are nice-to-haves that may detract from the overall experience.

-h
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Philmar on April 08, 2013, 01:35:25 pm
I don't have enough time to see if it's been suggested already but i'd like to se LR5 only save 2 or 3 of the Catalog backups. Currently it saves them all.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: jjj on April 08, 2013, 09:43:14 pm
I have tested Photoshop a few times over the last decade. Every time I stopped once I had spent a couple of hours not being able to do _anything_. If I borrowed a camera and still hadn't made a single image after 2 hours I would probably return it. For me the process of learning has to have minor rewards along the way (such as the joy of seeing an image being gradually improved).
Two things strike me there. A camera is pretty darn simple to use and if you already know how use one camera taking shots with another is not exactly hard. But imagine you never seen a camera before and someone handed you a film camera, would you have any idea what to do with it. As you wouldn't get any handy feedback from a screen on the back as to what it does. Chances are that you would end up fogging the film. Sometimes you need to be shown a few pointers or learn to understand a tool before you can use it.
The other thing is that if you can spend several hours in PS and not be able to do anything, I would wonder if you have any computer skills/common sense at all. If nothing else you can go through the menu options [just like with 99% of all desktop programmes] and click on various items, many of which are straightforwardly labelled and obvious as to what they do. I learnt to use PS fairly easily and I had only just got my first computer and was still learning how to use that. And I reckon I could teach you the basics of PS [for photography] in a couple of hours.


Quote
I think this is the only reason that Microsoft Office was able to dominate its market in the 90s, people could write and print a simple letter within minutes without ever touching the advanced menus. The competitors had features geared towards the experienced users, but did not care much about soccer-mums.Sure. User interaction is tough.
And yet MS drastically changed the MS Office interface a few years back as they realised it didn't work very well.

Quote
The good thing about Lightroom (and many Apple products) is that they seem to have found a well-defined group of users and focus on helping them getting the job done with a minimum of effort. This means cutting sexy features that expert users and intern software developers might want to include.
Except PS is a programme for experts not beginners and LR is full of tools for the expert user, a different set of tools though. You now seem to be complaining PS isn't iPhoto.

Quote
When writing software for MS Windows, one should adhere to that platforms conventions. Windows users will be familiar with certain items being in the "file" menu, and certain actions being available by right-clicking. Adobe sadly does not seem to think so.
Funny as I use right click to access Adobe features all the time and Adobe does have the usual suspects in the File menu, plus some others that are specific to the individual programme. Adobe are pretty darn good at adhering to platform conventions whilst maintaining a balancing act in that people often work on both Macs + PCs as consistency of say PS between platforms is also important.


Quote
My Sony tv has a web-browser, dlna, installable apps, and what not. It also has 5 hdmi inputs, loudspeakers and loads of other stuff that I will never use. For me personally, it is clearly a case of putting in too many irrelevant features instead of focusing on the primary concern for me: image quality vs price. Now, I judged this particular tv to have very good image quality, but Sony could still have lowered their dev costs and sold it to me at higher margins (or, preferreably, diverted those resouces to the zoned backlighting system).
Psst here's a secret. Other people also use TVs and have different requirements to you and those features may be important to them. I once saw a reviewer dismiss a product because of a particular feature - I actually bought that product specifically for that feature.
If a products has all the features you require, just ignore the ones you do not need. If you require products that have high quality and very few 'features' buy audiophile gear or equivalent audiovisual kit.


Quote
It seems that Adobe is focusing on adding new modules for rendering images in various forms. This is not the direction that I want them to go. I want:
1)Very good raw development/editing (HDR stacking, pano stitching, simple multi-image layering)
2)Very good database/search functions (I am convinced that it could be done more intuitive and flexible. Face detection? Focus/exposure quality estimation? I dont know...)
3)Very good export/print to paper or jpeg (I have less gripes with this part)
 
This is (to my mind) the core Lightroom functionality that should work fast, intuitive and with very good results. Other modules are nice-to-haves that may detract from the overall experience.
1) LR's raw processing is constantly improving and now you are now asking LR to do Photoshop work which is very easy to do. In fact you can even do all of those requests from LR with a simple right click on a selection of images and they'll appear in PS all ready to merge/hdr etc. Simples!
2) Uh, good search is one of LR's major selling points.
3) Exporting from LR is already pretty awesome.


Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: jjj on April 08, 2013, 09:48:54 pm
I don't have enough time to see if it's been suggested already but i'd like to se LR5 only save 2 or 3 of the Catalog backups. Currently it saves them all.
Not sure what you mean here as LR only saves one back up at a time. It's up to you to delete old backups when they are surplus to requirements..
BTW they compress really well if space is a concern.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: hjulenissen on April 09, 2013, 03:24:02 am
The other thing is that if you can spend several hours in PS and not be able to do anything, I would wonder if you have any computer skills/common sense at all.
I have an MSc in electronics engineering, and I work as a dsp/software developer.

-h
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: jjj on April 09, 2013, 08:52:35 pm
I have an MSc in electronics engineering, and I work as a dsp/software developer.
And yet you you cannot do anything to an image in Photoshop after several hours playing around. Plus you bizarrely [and incorrectly] claim Adobe doesn't follow the basic Windows paradigms such as menus and right click functionality as well as requesting features already present in LR/PS.
Sounds more like someone with no computer skills whatsoever.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: hjulenissen on April 10, 2013, 02:07:17 am
As someone who taught people how to use both programmes...
...I would wonder if you have any computer skills/common sense at all. ...
Sounds more like someone with no computer skills whatsoever.
In your experience as a tutor, does insults make it easier to win your audience?

-h
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Rhossydd on April 10, 2013, 04:27:31 am
In your experience as a tutor, does insults make it easier to win your audience?
You claim to have tried to use Photoshop for two hours and not achieved anything ?
In other posts here you give the impression that you have a basic understanding of digital photography. So why can you achieve nothing in Photoshop ?

Don't be surprised if people come back with insults if you make gross exaggerations and false claims here.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: hjulenissen on April 10, 2013, 05:51:14 am
You claim to have tried to use Photoshop for two hours and not achieved anything ?
In other posts here you give the impression that you have a basic understanding of digital photography. So why can you achieve nothing in Photoshop ?
Sure, I managed to pull some sliders, open and close some pop-ups. Does that count as "anything"? I did not manage to do anything photographically meaningful to the image that I had loaded.

With Lightroom I was able to import some images and pull sliders to see brightness changes within minutes. With MATLAB I was able to calculate the FFT of a general vector within 30 minutes.
Quote
Don't be surprised if people come back with insults if you make gross exaggerations and false claims here.
So if _you_ believe that I am exaggerating you are free to throw personal insults?

-h
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: hjulenissen on April 10, 2013, 06:02:54 am
Two things strike me there. A camera is pretty darn simple to use and if you already know how use one camera taking shots with another is not exactly hard. But imagine you never seen a camera before and someone handed you a film camera, would you have any idea what to do with it. As you wouldn't get any handy feedback from a screen on the back as to what it does. Chances are that you would end up fogging the film. Sometimes you need to be shown a few pointers or learn to understand a tool before you can use it.
I went from digital compact camera to my first DSLR. I would claim that there are some fundamental differences in how they work and how they interface with the user.
Quote
And yet MS drastically changed the MS Office interface a few years back as they realised it didn't work very well.
Do you have any references that "they realised it didn't work very well"? In what way does this refute my point?
Quote
Except PS is a programme for experts not beginners and LR is full of tools for the expert user, a different set of tools though.
Even programs for experts may benefit from user-friendliness.
Quote
You now seem to be complaining PS isn't iPhoto.
I have never used that application. I think it is great that Adobe has _some_ competition, though.
Quote
Adobe are pretty darn good at adhering to platform conventions whilst maintaining a balancing act in that people often work on both Macs + PCs as consistency of say PS between platforms is also important.
I believe that it is this balancing act that gets in the way of embracing the platform.
Quote
Psst here's a secret. Other people also use TVs and have different requirements to you and those features may be important to them. I once saw a reviewer dismiss a product because of a particular feature - I actually bought that product specifically for that feature.
I have never met a person who use the "smart tv" functionality. Heres a secret: sometimes manufacturers miss their market, and spend R&D money on something that noone wants.
Quote
If a products has all the features you require, just ignore the ones you do not need.
Feature-creep often affects the general usability, speed and security of a product.
Quote
If you require products that have high quality and very few 'features' buy audiophile gear or equivalent audiovisual kit.
"Audiophile" gear is usually for simple minds that believe in homeopathy and the like.
Quote
1) LR's raw processing is constantly improving and now you are now asking LR to do Photoshop work which is very easy to do. In fact you can even do all of those requests from LR with a simple right click on a selection of images and they'll appear in PS all ready to merge/hdr etc. Simples!
Did you read the thread title? "What are you wishing for in LR5 ?" Perhaps you thought that it read "What are you wishing for in LR5/CS7 ?"
Quote
2) Uh, good search is one of LR's major selling points.
So? This means that it cannot be improved?
Quote
3) Exporting from LR is already pretty awesome.
Yes, like I said, I have less gripes with that part.

-h
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Rhossydd on April 10, 2013, 07:13:30 am
So if _you_ believe that I am exaggerating you are free to throw personal insults?
I'm not insulting you.
I'm just pointing out that if you say something provocative don't be surprised if you get some come back.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: john beardsworth on April 10, 2013, 09:42:47 am
Sorry, hjulenissen, I don't think anyone's insulting you. What you wrote made it easy to imagine you were a complete numpty.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Schewe on April 10, 2013, 11:20:04 am
What you wrote made it easy to imagine you were a complete numpty.

Numpty?

Ok, I had to look that one up. Seems like a pretty popular word in Scotland where 'numpty' was voted nation's best word (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6520353.stm)!
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: stamper on April 10, 2013, 11:30:37 am
Numpty?

Ok, I had to look that one up. Seems like a pretty popular word in Scotland where 'numpty' was voted nation's best word (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6520353.stm)!

I am not sure about numpty being the favourite. I think glaikit  would be the winner. :) They mean the same.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: jjj on April 10, 2013, 05:42:36 pm
In your experience as a tutor, does insults make it easier to win your audience?

-h
Taking some quotes out of context really doesn't help your case.
You demonstrated that you had no idea what you were talking about and made several innaccurate comments, I simply commented on that.
And numpty is indeed the perfect word to sum you up.

Numpty is fairly commonly used in rest of UK too Jeff.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Schewe on April 10, 2013, 06:06:25 pm
Numpty is fairly commonly used in rest of UK too Jeff.

Last time I was there, Scotland was still part of the UK. I mean, I know there are some that would like to make the brake (kinda like Montreal or Northern California) but it hasn't happened yet, right?
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: madmanchan on April 10, 2013, 07:22:28 pm
Since Lightroom uses an instruction-based (parameter-based) model for image editing, we have to be very careful about adding new knobs or changing existing knobs.  Each addition or change has important implications for rendering compatibility down the road.  It's much easier for us to add something, than to remove something later that we (mistakenly) added. 
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: CatOne on April 10, 2013, 09:37:32 pm
I don't have enough time to see if it's been suggested already but i'd like to se LR5 only save 2 or 3 of the Catalog backups. Currently it saves them all.

This is a perfect "feature" for an application like Hazel on the Mac  ;)
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: jjj on April 10, 2013, 10:25:19 pm
Last time I was there, Scotland was still part of the UK. I mean, I know there are some that would like to make the brake (kinda like Montreal or Northern California) but it hasn't happened yet, right?
There's definitely a separatist faction of sorts. But the Kingdom is still United.  :)
Though not sure why you though I was implying anything to do with that by saying a popular Scottish word is used elsewhere in UK. As there are lots of words that are very region specific still being used in the UK. I didn't know the more Scottish synonym, glaikit that Stamper mentioned and my builder who has a really strong local accent is often coming out with words I've never heard before. Despite my living up North for many years.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: jjj on April 10, 2013, 11:40:06 pm
I went from digital compact camera to my first DSLR. I would claim that there are some fundamental differences in how they work and how they interface with the user
The concept is exactly the same, even if the buttons/layout differ. It's a camera, it takes photos, you understand what it does.
Using Photoshop to you seems to be the same as using a 35mm film camera without knowing anything at all about photography/cameras and getting annoyed it cannot produce something tangible in a couple of hours.

Quote
Do you have any references that "they realised it didn't work very well"? In what way does this refute my point?
The fact they changed it so drastically, despite an enormous user base than was very, very used to the old paradigm tells you they knew the old way wasn't working. MS were quite open about why it needed to change. You basically said that Word was able to dominate by very easy to use and if that was indeed the case they wouldn't have changed it. I hated Word myself as it was so faffy and fiddly.


Quote
Even programs for experts may benefit from user-friendliness.
And they may well be user friendly to experts, who usually have very different requirements to non-experts like yourself.

Quote
I have never used that application. I think it is great that Adobe has _some_ competition, though.
iPhoto is not competition for Photoshop. Very, very different end users in mind.


Quote
I believe that it is this balancing act that gets in the way of embracing the platform.
I work on a Mac and on PCs and Creative Suite seems pretty native on each, no less so than single platform programmes I'd say. Macs and PC are not really that different when it comes to basics of how things work and have become more similar over time by copying each other.

Quote
I have never met a person who use the "smart TV" functionality.
And I can't think of anyone I know who watches 3D tv as it happens, I wouldn't be so daft as to claim nobody uses it though.

Quote
Heres a secret: sometimes manufacturers miss their market, and spend R&D money on something that noone wants.Feature-creep often affects the general usability, speed and security of a product.
Not a secret that manufacturers get it wrong at times, but what people usually mean by feature creep/bloat is the very selfish "they are adding things I don't want".

Quote
"Audiophile" gear is usually for simple minds that believe in homeopathy and the like.
Or people with good hearing and who appreciate music. I can tell the difference between bad/decent/good kit as can many people I know and none of us believe in homeopathy, most of us being scientists. Those who dismiss that such differences are basically poor of hearing and cannot accept others are more capable in that area. That doesn't mean I necessarily believe £500 a metre cable is worth it over £10 a metre cable. But it quite surprising what a big difference decent cables can make over crappy cheap ones - not with digital signals I should point out.

Quote
Did you read the thread title? "What are you wishing for in LR5 ?" Perhaps you thought that it read "What are you wishing for in LR5/CS7 ?
Your English comprehension is as poor as your computer skills. I stated that part of what you were asking for was already there in CS6/LR4 and indeed has been since the beginning IIRC. Yes you have to open files into PS to do those tasks, but that is because they are PS fuctions and not LR abilities. There are different tools [bitmap Vs parametric editing] which excel in different areas. But they work very well together. As I can for example, open up multiple images into layers in PS and the work subsequently done in PS then seamlessly appears in the LR library.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: NikoJorj on April 11, 2013, 01:07:01 pm
How about a simple Envoke backup NOW!!
Yes, good idea - and why not directly zip the backups?
It saves about 90% space.

In the same Backup dpt., would it be possible to have the 2nd copy on import to mirror the folder structure created in the catalogue? that would make a data reconstruction from that backup much easier.


I want one just like it labeled "Remove Diffraction Effects, Completely".
I'd say that such an adaptative deconvolution based on fstop, in addition to the capture sharpening, has already been asked, but I'd second it nonetheless.
Doesn't DxO Optics Pro already do that?
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: hjulenissen on April 27, 2013, 04:30:36 pm
Or people with good hearing and who appreciate music. I can tell the difference between bad/decent/good kit as can many people I know and none of us believe in homeopathy, most of us being scientists. Those who dismiss that such differences are basically poor of hearing and cannot accept others are more capable in that area. That doesn't mean I necessarily believe £500 a metre cable is worth it over £10 a metre cable. But it quite surprising what a big difference decent cables can make over crappy cheap ones - not with digital signals I should point out.
If by decent cables you mean the kind of cables sold by the hifi industry, this would place you squarely into the "homeopathy" group. Anyone with any experience in audibility, double-blind listening tests, basically audio science tends to be highly sceptical about hifi cables. If by decent you mean "follow basic engineering principles as known for 50 or 100 years", then of course, you are right. But those cables tends to cost pennies. Electronic engineering does apply to digital cables as well, by the way.

Claims are cheap ("you have bad hearing, I have golden ears"). Passing an ABX test with p>0.95 is really hard (anything not passing such tests belongs to the homeopathy group of "may or may not be plausible, but has so far evaded proof").

-h
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: hjulenissen on April 27, 2013, 04:31:57 pm
Taking some quotes out of context really doesn't help your case.
Falsely claiming that quotes are out of context doesnt help your case either. If you have a problem with my quotes, why don't you point to specific cases?
Quote
Your English comprehension is as poor as your computer skills.
...
And numpty is indeed the perfect word to sum you up.
If hammering at your keyboard like this makes a small man feel a little larger, then I guess _something_ came out of our discussion rather than wasted time.

(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png)

-h
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: PeterAit on May 09, 2013, 08:37:52 am
Probably too late for the new LR, but it would be useful to be able to turn cropping off for all thumbnails. Any cropping would be retained, just not shown in the thumbs. Sometimes I want to browse my thumbs and see the full frame images.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on May 09, 2013, 08:00:13 pm
What I'm really wishing for in LR5 is a stand-alone, non-cloud product. And that's what I'm mainly hoping for in LR6, LR7, and LR8.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: PeterAit on May 11, 2013, 05:31:58 pm
And, the abiliity to "print" to a PDF. Yo, Adobe, you are the PDF people, what do you say?
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: CatOne on May 11, 2013, 10:18:57 pm
And, the abiliity to "print" to a PDF. Yo, Adobe, you are the PDF people, what do you say?

I assume you're speaking of Windows?  Because on OS X it's built into the OS.  ANYTHNG you can print, you can print to PDF via the print dialog.  It's been this way for 12 years now.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: dreed on May 12, 2013, 06:55:44 am
And, the abiliity to "print" to a PDF. Yo, Adobe, you are the PDF people, what do you say?

If you're on Windows, install an application called "PrimoPDF":
http://www.primopdf.com/
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: PeterAit on May 12, 2013, 08:22:21 am
Thanks for the ideas.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: jjj on May 14, 2013, 12:14:15 pm
If hammering at your keyboard like this makes a small man feel a little larger, then I guess _something_ came out of our discussion rather than wasted time.

(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png)

-h

Candidate for least aware post of the month.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Christopher Sanderson on May 15, 2013, 10:48:42 pm
Note to jjj & hjulenissen

Perhaps you might take your sparring elsewhere?
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: jjj on May 16, 2013, 11:05:42 am
I had given up on the thread a while back, but came across hjulinissen latest rant, so simply pointed out the hypocrisy.
People like hjulinisen is why I have mostly given up on internet forums.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: StephaneB on June 07, 2013, 09:27:52 am
Well, since Adobe tells us now that PhotoShop was never intended for photographers, while LightRoom was always intended for photographers*, I see no reason why LightRoom only catalogs PhotoShop files and not files from PaintShop Pro, PhotoLine, Pixelmator and other photo editors.

So, that would be my biggest wish: to have LightRoom act as an agnostic photo cataloger.

I know it catalogs JPEGs and TIFs, but not files from other editors with layers and so on.




* I find the former an insult to our intelligence, while I do believe the latter.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: PeterAit on June 07, 2013, 10:12:06 am
Saying that PS was never intended for photographers is such BS. How many years did PS exist before LR came on the scene? And yes, LR should definitely support files from non-Adobe apps. I don't use any such, but as you say, they need to support as many formats as possible for maximum success.
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: Drazick on July 26, 2013, 10:31:09 am
I would be happy if you opened the processing procedure for Plug In's.
Let people offer alternatives for NR, Demosaicing, Tonality Adjustments, etc...
Title: Re: What are you wishing for in LR5 ?
Post by: SunnyUK on July 30, 2013, 08:36:43 am
Saying that PS was never intended for photographers is such BS. How many years did PS exist before LR came on the scene? And yes, LR should definitely support files from non-Adobe apps. I don't use any such, but as you say, they need to support as many formats as possible for maximum success.

They *need* to spend their development resources on stuff that makes more people buy their wares. Same as any other software developer. They might have determined (rightly or wrongly) that the market for a catalogue-and-powerful-editor-and-print-and-web-and-... tool targeted at people who use their competitors' editor-and-print-and-web-and... tools is likely to not sell in huge quantities.