Fred - If you are indeed thinking about renting then you should speak to the rental house instead of asking here.
Don
USB3 on the Credo/IQ backs is a very sore subject!
Beginning to think its just broken and will never be stitched on in this generation of backs...... sigh. :-[
Capture speeds as fast as 1.2 frames per second
Fastest image transfer speed through the use of advanced FireWire 800, USB 3.0 and UDMA CompactFlash technologies.
Q: What does “Credo” mean?
A: Credo in Latin means “to believe/trust”. With Mamiya and Leaf being the most trustable brands in the business, we think it suits the new product perfectly!
Q: Who makes the Leaf Credo back?
A: The Leaf Credo is produced by Leaf Imaging Ltd.
Q: What is unique about the new display?
A: The new 1.15MP display is extremely bright and is useable in all lighting conditions. The touchscreen extends beyond the LCD area, allowing for additional functionality and space for tools.
Q: What camera bodies can I use the Leaf Credo on?
A: The Leaf Credo is available with a choice of four mounts: Mamiya 645DF, Contax 645AF, Hasselblad V and Hasselblad H1/H2/H4x. For a full list of supported cameras check the specs.
Q: Does the Leaf Credo offer on-screen Live View?
A: YES! Live View works both when shooting tethered or untethered!
Q: What files format does the Leaf Credo produce?
A: The RAW file format is called IIQL (large) or IIQS (small) The IIQ stands for "intelligent image quality".
Q: Can I open the files in Photoshop/Lightroom?
A: We are working with Adobe to ensure that one of their future versions will support the Leaf Credo files.
Q: Does it offer better long exposure performance than my Aptus-II back?
A: YES. The maximum exposure time has been increased to two minutes (Credo 80) and one minute (Credo 60 and 40).
Q: What type of CF cards should I use?
A: The Leaf Credo supports most UDMA 6 cards from the main brands. We will have a full list of tested/supported models before the product ships.
Q: Can I use my existing Aptus accessories?
A: A Leaf Credo back comes with a new set of accessories (i.e. batteries, chargers and FW cables). Some accessories, for example, the charger can still be used once the insert plate is replaced.
Q: Can the Leaf Credo be used on a view or a tech camera outdoors?
A: YES!!! The added functionality of Live View and bi-directional spirit level, along with the very bright screen, enclosed battery and weather sealing make the Leaf Credo the perfect tool for shooting in the great outdoors.
Q: What do I need in order to use the Leaf Credo on my RZ PRO II?
A: We have several adapters for all RZ types including the PROII and they come with all the necessary accessories: sync cables, remote cables and focusing screens suitable for the type of back mount and sensor size.
Q: Can I use my existing Leaf adapter on my RZ PROII?
A: If you already have an adapter for your existing back, you may be able to use it, depending on your current back’s mount (for example if the adapter is for H mount it’ll take the new back). You will also need to change some of the cables.
Q: Can I use the Leaf Credo with a low-powered MacBook Pro, an iMac or a Windows based laptop?
A: YES! The Leaf Credo uses an internal battery, ensuring that the back has enough power to work tethered, regardless of the voltage of the FireWire or USB3.0 port in the computer.
Tip: The Leaf Credo also has a built-in battery charger so the battery gets charged through the FireWire/USB 3.0 cable.
Q: Can I connect the Leaf Credo to the Thunderbolt port on my Mac?
A: Currently there are no off-the-shelf, reliable hardware/software solutions for connecting FireWire or USB devices to Thunderbolt.
Q: Is there an AFi/Hy6 mount version of the Leaf Credo?
A: The Leaf Credo is made in four different mounts but not in AFi/Hy6 mount. The AFi-II 10 and AFi-II 12 backs are still in production and provide the perfect digital solution for this platform, including a tilt-screen and a rotating sensor.
Q: Does the V-mount Leaf Credo back include a rotating sensor like the Aptus-II R?
A: The Aptus-II 10R and Aptus-II 12R are still in production and maintain the unique rotating sensor capability.
Q: In the studio, can I use the Leaf Credo with Schneider Electronic-Shutters and the Schneider software?
A: YES: You will need the cable that connects the Leaf Credo to the Schneider USB box. The cable is normally provided by Schneider.
Q: In the studio, can I use the Leaf Credo with Schneider Electronic-Shutters and the shutter controller as I do with my Aptus-II back?
A: YES, however Capture One will not be able to control the shutter (like it does with the Aptus-II) so you will have to use the controller for this. If you’re looking to upgrade to a higher resolution back and shoot mostly in the studio then the Aptus-II 10/12 present a fantastic price/ performance value.
Q: In the studio, can I use the Leaf Credo with Rollei Electronic Shutters and the shutter controller as I do with my Aptus-II back?
A: YES, however Capture One will not be able to control the shutter (like it does with the Aptus-II) so you will have to use the controller for this. If you’re looking to upgrade to a higher resolution back and shoot mostly in the studio then the Aptus-II 10/12 present a fantastic price/ performance value.
Q: Is the Credo supported by Leaf Capture?
A: The Leaf Credo is designed to work seamlessly with Capture One in order to maximize its outstanding image quality; therefore it is not supported by Leaf Capture.
Q: I just took delivery of a new Aptus-II 10 and I’m interested in the Leaf Credo 60. Can I get a special discount on this upgrade?
A: Please contact your Mamiya Leaf dealer so that we can look into a suitable solution for you.
From the Mamiya Leaf website
Based on this one would assume it works ::)
Even the FAQ page makes no mention of USB not working yet, but there are some references to USB that would lead one to believe it works:QuoteQ: What does “Credo” mean?
A: Credo in Latin means “to believe/trust”. With Mamiya and Leaf being the most trustable brands in the business, we think it suits the new product perfectly!
Q: Who makes the Leaf Credo back?
A: The Leaf Credo is produced by Leaf Imaging Ltd.
Q: What is unique about the new display?
A: The new 1.15MP display is extremely bright and is useable in all lighting conditions. The touchscreen extends beyond the LCD area, allowing for additional functionality and space for tools.
Q: What camera bodies can I use the Leaf Credo on?
A: The Leaf Credo is available with a choice of four mounts: Mamiya 645DF, Contax 645AF, Hasselblad V and Hasselblad H1/H2/H4x. For a full list of supported cameras check the specs.
Q: Does the Leaf Credo offer on-screen Live View?
A: YES! Live View works both when shooting tethered or untethered!
Q: What files format does the Leaf Credo produce?
A: The RAW file format is called IIQL (large) or IIQS (small) The IIQ stands for "intelligent image quality".
Q: Can I open the files in Photoshop/Lightroom?
A: We are working with Adobe to ensure that one of their future versions will support the Leaf Credo files.
Q: Does it offer better long exposure performance than my Aptus-II back?
A: YES. The maximum exposure time has been increased to two minutes (Credo 80) and one minute (Credo 60 and 40).
Q: What type of CF cards should I use?
A: The Leaf Credo supports most UDMA 6 cards from the main brands. We will have a full list of tested/supported models before the product ships.
Q: Can I use my existing Aptus accessories?
A: A Leaf Credo back comes with a new set of accessories (i.e. batteries, chargers and FW cables). Some accessories, for example, the charger can still be used once the insert plate is replaced.
Q: Can the Leaf Credo be used on a view or a tech camera outdoors?
A: YES!!! The added functionality of Live View and bi-directional spirit level, along with the very bright screen, enclosed battery and weather sealing make the Leaf Credo the perfect tool for shooting in the great outdoors.
Q: What do I need in order to use the Leaf Credo on my RZ PRO II?
A: We have several adapters for all RZ types including the PROII and they come with all the necessary accessories: sync cables, remote cables and focusing screens suitable for the type of back mount and sensor size.
Q: Can I use my existing Leaf adapter on my RZ PROII?
A: If you already have an adapter for your existing back, you may be able to use it, depending on your current back’s mount (for example if the adapter is for H mount it’ll take the new back). You will also need to change some of the cables.
Q: Can I use the Leaf Credo with a low-powered MacBook Pro, an iMac or a Windows based laptop?
A: YES! The Leaf Credo uses an internal battery, ensuring that the back has enough power to work tethered, regardless of the voltage of the FireWire or USB3.0 port in the computer.
Tip: The Leaf Credo also has a built-in battery charger so the battery gets charged through the FireWire/USB 3.0 cable.
Q: Can I connect the Leaf Credo to the Thunderbolt port on my Mac?
A: Currently there are no off-the-shelf, reliable hardware/software solutions for connecting FireWire or USB devices to Thunderbolt.
Q: Is there an AFi/Hy6 mount version of the Leaf Credo?
A: The Leaf Credo is made in four different mounts but not in AFi/Hy6 mount. The AFi-II 10 and AFi-II 12 backs are still in production and provide the perfect digital solution for this platform, including a tilt-screen and a rotating sensor.
Q: Does the V-mount Leaf Credo back include a rotating sensor like the Aptus-II R?
A: The Aptus-II 10R and Aptus-II 12R are still in production and maintain the unique rotating sensor capability.
Q: In the studio, can I use the Leaf Credo with Schneider Electronic-Shutters and the Schneider software?
A: YES: You will need the cable that connects the Leaf Credo to the Schneider USB box. The cable is normally provided by Schneider.
Q: In the studio, can I use the Leaf Credo with Schneider Electronic-Shutters and the shutter controller as I do with my Aptus-II back?
A: YES, however Capture One will not be able to control the shutter (like it does with the Aptus-II) so you will have to use the controller for this. If you’re looking to upgrade to a higher resolution back and shoot mostly in the studio then the Aptus-II 10/12 present a fantastic price/ performance value.
Q: In the studio, can I use the Leaf Credo with Rollei Electronic Shutters and the shutter controller as I do with my Aptus-II back?
A: YES, however Capture One will not be able to control the shutter (like it does with the Aptus-II) so you will have to use the controller for this. If you’re looking to upgrade to a higher resolution back and shoot mostly in the studio then the Aptus-II 10/12 present a fantastic price/ performance value.
Q: Is the Credo supported by Leaf Capture?
A: The Leaf Credo is designed to work seamlessly with Capture One in order to maximize its outstanding image quality; therefore it is not supported by Leaf Capture.
Q: I just took delivery of a new Aptus-II 10 and I’m interested in the Leaf Credo 60. Can I get a special discount on this upgrade?
A: Please contact your Mamiya Leaf dealer so that we can look into a suitable solution for you.
Fred -
No, USB is not currently active in either the Leaf Credo products, nor the Phase One IQ products. There's no need for you to wonder any longer, regardless of what the feature-drivem marketing materials from Leaf or Phase One's website may state. You may consider USB to be "pretty standard stuff", but obviously it's not as simple as you may feel, otherwise, they'd have it ready to go. If they can be at fault for anything, it would be for not portraying the USB port as a "future-proof" port. I believe they could be excused for putting the hardware in, as long as they cautioned the activation of that port would be some ways out (obviously they were more optimistic than reality dictated).
Steve Hendrix
Capture Integration
.....
You may consider USB to be "pretty standard stuff", but obviously it's not as simple as you may feel, otherwise, they'd have it ready to go.
.....
Steve Hendrix
Capture Integration
Hello,
This would be a good time for Yair to chime in and tell everyone what is going on and how it connects.
Cheers
Simon
Yanick from the topic it's not clear what are you looking for....also "options in the market in 2012+" is a bit broad...
Your opening post suggests that you'd specifically like to compare the H5D to the H5D, but then you mention USB3.0....
Technical specs and product images of all current and soon-to-be-available MF models exist on the manufacturers' websites. I think that's where you should start your research. It'll give you a good idea of things like cable positioning, connention types, frame rates, iso range etc.
You can put it all in One Excel sheet so that other members can make use of this information
BR
Yair
Okay Fred you've more than made your point. Digital medium format is not good, the mechanics suck, image quality is subpar; in general nothing beats a Nikon unless it's a Fuji and you're using film. Mamiya, Leaf and of course the arch enemy Phase are all a bunch of hypocritical liars and should all be banished from the world.
Have I missed anything? Of course you'll be more that pleased to let me know if I've missed anything.
:P
Read this (http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2012/11/the-whiners-room.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+typepad%2Fsethsmainblog+%28Seth%27s+Blog%29)
Yair
Credo and IQ users will be the first to know as soon as USB3.0 is enabled and released.
Read this (http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2012/11/the-whiners-room.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+typepad%2Fsethsmainblog+%28Seth%27s+Blog%29)
Yair
Yair - can you confirm that both the IQ and the Credo have a USB port that will fit that connector in the Wikipedia image I linked to earlier?
Kind regards,
Gerald.
Cheers.
I assume you mean left though, yes? :)
Just out of interest, what is the difference between that connection and the one I linked to?
Kind regards,
Gerald.
Spoken like a spoiled 5 year old. ::) ::)
When have I ever said that the image quality was sub par. Also never said nothing beats a Fuji with film. In case you want to know my preferred format was Polaroid 8x10 (and
for a full disclosure ... yes I was blessed to be sponsored by Polaroid.
Can you both please retreat to your corners and nurse your feelings quietly? Lets move on.....
Leaf Credo USB 3.
Is it working yet? ....
Not buying... may need to rent....
USB3 doesn't work with the IQ or Credo yet; that's no big secret.
Credo and IQ users will be the first to know as soon as USB3.0 is enabled and released.
Read this (http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2012/11/the-whiners-room.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+typepad%2Fsethsmainblog+%28Seth%27s+Blog%29)
Yair
Just one question for you. Don't you think that it would be honest to state under specification on the Mamiya Leaf website that
USB 3 is not implemented yet and that there is as of now no date by which it will be implemented.
Rather funny that you question my credibility while you just have a knee jerk fan boy reaction to anything you don't like to hear about
your idols.
I've noticed Fred when you don't have a solid defense or want to ignore something you deflect.
Connectivity FireWire 800, USB 3.0, USB 2.0
Capture speeds as fast as 1.2 frames per second
Fastest image transfer speed through the use of advanced FireWire 800, USB 3.0 and UDMA CompactFlash technologies.
A choice of FireWire 800 or USB 3 / USB 2 connection to a Mac or a
PC with fast capture rate and Capture One workflow create excellent
conditions for studio work.
Storage and
connectivity
CompactFlash inc. UDMA 6 & 7, Firewire 800, USB 3, USB 2
USB3 on the Credo/IQ backs is a very sore subject!
Beginning to think its just broken and will never be stitched on in this generation of backs...... sigh. :-[
Fred,
Did some guy from Denmark run off with your girlfriend? (insert silly smiley face here).
IMO
BC
Looks clear as day that you are deflecting and I'm not the one that needs a solid defense....
Mamiya Leaf is the one that states that the Credo has USB 3
From Specifications
From Features
Website Banner:
(http://www.mamiyaleaf.com/images/products/credo/Credo-banner.jpg)
From the current product brochure
As far as I can see no mention anywhere in the website or the brochure that neither USB 3 or USB 2 is currently not supported.
Fred,
...
I'll admit I never was a fan of the Mamiya 645 AF but the later DF itineration I recently tried was night a day compared to the original mamiya 645 autofocus. The lenses felt great, the body was robust, the focusing was very good, I thought almost equal to the Hasselblad which is the leader in mfd autofocus.
...
IMO
BC
Oh and by the way - are you even thinking of responding to bcooters request for information/clarification or are you going to deflect yet again?
Don
Still waiting for the ignore button
Hello,
Personally I don’t think it is a petty issue.
How can a manufacturer advertise a feature in its product and it doesn’t work full stop.
If a car manufacturer did this the would have law suits thrown at them.
I am a happy Leaf user so please don’t call me a troll or that I have a Nikon agenda as I don’t but there advertising is simply misleading.
This is all I am going to say on this matter.
Good day
Simon
Yes, let me clarify.... if I had bought one of these expecting to use only USB3 then I'd say it was a legitimate issue. But if I had spent most of my time on LuLa posting about how much better the D800 is than any medium format back is and I started a post complaining about the lack of USB3 on a product that I would never use when it has a tethering solution, then yes, I'd call that petty. It's a shame when someone who has a lot of knowledge about photography wants to spend his time on posts like this, feigning some kind of consumer watch dog, instead of sharing something really valuable like working experiences with people, lighting or camera gear.
I think this post really sums up this thread.me too.
Guy's right. I completely forgot that when Phase released the IQ back they specifically stated that USB3 was an additional feature. The way I see it is that Phase knew they wanted to add a second tethering option and rather that wait until they had all the kinks worked out they inserted the plug in from the get go; that way it's there waiting for the solution.
I don't tether so it's never been a huge problem for me however I can see the need and thankfully there's the firewire.
I have a great 30 ft Firewire 800 to 800 cable that works awesome on a IQ back, i cant say that for USB 3 as i cant get past 15 ft on my Nikon.
When you only rent use firewire800
The images are the same.....
But as mentioned before you probably won't rent but just want to rant ;)
Don't you think it would be more clear, honest and simple to state on the Mamiya Leaf website that USB 3
is not supported yet?
Simple question ;)
Oh and one more thing.
I don't lend my name to leaf or phase one.
I pay for my gear, I don't get paid for the images they use from me, I'm just a very enthusiastic user.
I would love to be able to work with usb3 because the cables are less stiff and I fly a lot so everything I can save on space and weight is a big plus.
I don't think it is OK to jump on any on these forums, just because you have some bad feelings about some product.
Best regards
Erik
Bad feelings?
I bought a DF system and had bad experience with multiple bodies.
It was a lot more than that. Camera freezes, focusing way below claimed performance, V-grip camera combination freezing randomly requiring un assembling camera, lens and grip to get things working again. Having to do this repeatedly in front of a client whose time is very very expensive is unacceptable to both the client and me.
I needed a very simple part from Phase one. The plastic plate with the alignment pins that keeps the v-grip and body aligned when mounted.
Without this the alignment would go out and the camera would freeze. It was a particular problem with longer lenses.
Neither Phase One USA, Mamiya USA or the LA dealer could come up with it after weeks of being bounced from one to the other.
So you think that it is not OK for a previous owner of a cameras system, he or she had major problems with, to be critical of the system on a public forum.
Actually outside of the immediate "fan base" of Phase/Leaf the caliber of my work and clients gives what I say quite a bit of credibility among many photographers
considering what type of camera to buy. I get many messages from prospective buyers thanking me. One even said that knowing about bugs and overstated claims helped him haggle a better price. ;) Seems helpful to me.
Due to the quality of high end DSLR cameras being virtually indistinguishable for 99% of print, advertising, catalog it really is getting easier and easier to tip the choice
in favor of 35mm systems.
These review do it nearly every time especially when the reader downloads the images and print them on high end printers that actually print better than the publications where their images are published.
http://www.circleofconfusion.ie/d800e-vs-phase-one-iq180/ (http://www.circleofconfusion.ie/d800e-vs-phase-one-iq180/)
http://www.photigy.com/nikon-d800e-test-review-vs-hasselblad-h4d40-35mm-against-medium-format/ (http://www.photigy.com/nikon-d800e-test-review-vs-hasselblad-h4d40-35mm-against-medium-format/)
Hi, ...I have ... also written my own: http://echophoto.dnsalias.net/ekr/index.php/photoarticles/71-mf-digital-myths-or-facts
Best regards
Erik
Erik, finally a non diatribe. Just finished reading the article and found it compelling and backed up with facts not anecdotal information.
Thanks for the information.
Don
Conclusion on noise in highlights & shadows
Unless some dramatic improvement happens in technology, dramatically increasing the FWC on small sensors, larger sensors will have an advantage in midtone noise.
Unless some dramatic improvement happens in technology, reducing the readout noise of large sensors, modern CMOS will have an advantage in the darks.
Findings
The IQ180 image has noisier shadows compared with the Nikon D800E image. The difference is visible in both actual pixels view and with the IQ180 image downscaled to D800E image dimensions.
Sensor | MP | FWC | |
Nikon D3X | 24 | 48975 | |
Sony Alpha 900 | 24 | 26843 | (note that the sensor is basically the same as in D3X) |
Nikon D600 | 24 | 76231 |
Camera/Back | ISO | SNR 18% |
Hasselblad H3DII | 39 | 45.3 |
Phase One IQ180 | 29 | 48.7 |
Nikon D800 | 73 | 46 |
From the article
However practical tests don't seem to confirm this at least when it comes to grey card testing. (upper mid tones)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8490/8175991668_ec2d091bb3_b.jpg)
It's also interesting that there is virtually no difference between the d600 and the d800 despite the difference in pixel size
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8478/8175957715_6d82362e0f_b.jpg)
Here is a comparisson between the D4 and the D800. Same generation cameras.
One with significantly larger photosites. The noise is practically identical.
The big pixel theories don't hold up.....
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8487/8177557000_6f550a518f_b.jpg)
While USB 3 cables can be slimmer and less stiff they will not work very well with longer cables.
The most reliable USB3 cables are just as stiff as the good fire wire cables.
So will a leaf credo 40 ever tether over usb3?
Can you charge it over USB3?
I could not get a straight answer from Leaf support.
Connecting the cable you see the charge sign, but the battery gets depleted.
They gave me an answer something like it theoretically can be charged if there was enough power, but would absolutely not say anything about what card to use to give that power.
With FW cable the battery always gets charged.
With USB3 the battery never gets charged.
I am using a desktop PC with an on board (Asus P8B75-M LX PLUS) USB3 port.
It doesn't matter how much time I leave it connected with no shots, the battery gets depleted, and it doesn't do it with FW.
I am using an official 10' cable.