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Title: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: SpiritShooter on September 23, 2012, 11:07:24 PM
Wonder if anyone has heard anything regarding rumors that C1 7 will be out within a matter of weeks (or less).
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: EricWHiss on September 24, 2012, 02:33:38 AM
Did you read some of the hints being dropped over on the other forum about something new coming soon? I'm hoping they were hinting about a new c1 and not some other new software.
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: MrSmith on September 24, 2012, 04:33:07 AM
I hope it's not a paid upgrade and they leave the current version still broken (5D III tethering in osx 10.8)
Time to install the free version of Lightroom I have if it is.
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: SpiritShooter on September 24, 2012, 09:35:38 AM
Which forum is that?
If someone is dropping hints, I sure hope they are in the know. :)

Saturday night I had dinner with a friend at a South Beach restaurant. He said he felt fairly confident that a new release was just a few weeks away based on what is being discussed by the local suppliers. Sometimes, I think all this "he said - she said" is wishful thinking, but more times that not there is a basic truth hidden somewhere in the message.

Mike
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: Doug Peterson on September 24, 2012, 12:22:52 PM
I hope it's not a paid upgrade and they leave the current version still broken (5D III tethering in osx 10.8)

Canon's SDK that they provide to third party tethering software has not been updated to fully support 10.8. As soon as it is I'm sure it will be incorporated into Capture One. If that happens while version 6 is still shipping I'm sure it will be incorporated into that version.

As a side note re: loyalty to customers: LR3 was not updated with support for any of the new Canon/Nikon cameras; forcing customers to upgrade (and creating unfortunate situation where a customer's system could not handle LR4). Capture One 6 has provided support shortly after it came available from Canon/Nikon.
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: Keith Reeder on September 24, 2012, 12:29:41 PM
I've used Capture one since v.3 and every time the version number has incremented it has been a paid-for release. As is usually the case with software, the "dot" releases are free, but Capture One 7 - I'll bet pounds to pennies - will cost.

I agree that 7 is probably round the corner: Phase One has had a few sales/special offer pricing deals recently, which usually precedes a new release.

Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: Doug Peterson on September 24, 2012, 12:47:03 PM
I've used Capture one since v.3 and every time the version number has incremented it has been a paid-for release. As is usually the case with software, the "dot" releases are free, but Capture One 7 - I'll bet pounds to pennies - will cost.

There is no secret here. Capture One upgrades have been $99/license (allows 2 computers) for many years. Updates are always free.

For those interested in the rather boring history of Capture One pricing:
Capture One 3 Pro was the exception. It was sold for many many years for $499 with "2 free upgrades". Phase One planned on making upgrades a 1-2 year cycle. But it took much longer to release Capture One 4 Pro (a complete rewrite with modern code). Anyone who paid for Capture One 3 Pro did not have to pay again through Capture One 5 Pro - for many customers that meant they did not pay for upgrades for 5+ years (while P1 was still paying to develop it). Because of this they decided to sell Capture One 4 Pro for $399 ($100 less) but without free upgrades associated with that purchase. Later the price was reduced to $299 (clear pricing pressure from Adobe LR) where it has been selling quite well. Lately there have been a string of promotions that reduce the price by varying amounts.

Also, anyone who made a purchase right before an upgrade has been given the upgrade for free. For instance if you bought Capture One 5 Pro two weeks before Capture One 6 Pro was released they gave you the upgrade for free.

Even if you're shooting a mid-tier dSLR if you shoot tethered or care at all about image quality and workflow speed then the cost of Capture One software (even with every update) is a very very small % of your equipment/software costs. Considering that for many photographers the software is where you are 50%+ of their total imaging time this seems to me to be the best ROI in photo spending.

Historically you've always been able to buy from a handful of dedicated dealers like us (Digital Transitions) for 5-10% less than from Phase One direct, in which case you gain phone/in-person support of that dealer for questions/issues/feature-requests in addition to retaining the email/online support of Phase One. I don't expect that to change whenever the next upgrade to Capture One is released.

And of course no one is forced to upgrade. If they bring enough to the table regarding new features, improvements, refinements etc to justify the cost then you will - if not, you won't.
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: SpiritShooter on September 24, 2012, 01:24:16 PM
Thanks Doug,

I have always found C1's upgrades to be worth the price.  Anything that makes for better, cleaner and better color images is a no brainer.

Mike
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: HarperPhotos on September 24, 2012, 09:29:08 PM
Hello,

Hope it has live video for Nikon.

Cheers

Simon
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: SpiritShooter on September 25, 2012, 07:09:58 PM
Simon, you and me both.  ;D

One of the things I REALLY miss (when I had the P45+), was shooting interiors live tethered to C1 on a 15" Macbook Pro. The camera LCD works, but just not the same mojo.  ;)

Mike
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: Paul Sumi on September 26, 2012, 03:55:36 PM
Hoping that Phase One has cracked the Fujifilm X-Pro 1 RAW's secret code...

Paul
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: zobeleye on September 27, 2012, 05:11:33 AM
 {Hoping that Phase One has cracked the Fujifilm X-Pro 1 RAW's secret code...}

uuh yeaahh...

cheers
stephan
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: Christopher on October 22, 2012, 04:59:18 AM
So much to very soon ;)
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: Jack Flesher on October 23, 2012, 12:51:31 PM
So much to very soon ;)

Reminds me of my kids a few days before Christmas morning :D

Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: deejjjaaaa on October 24, 2012, 09:18:29 AM
DPReview posted an announcement of C1 v7 on their news page today/tonight and then quickly pulled it off... replacing with DxO v8.
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: LarsHansen on October 24, 2012, 11:31:31 AM
I noticed it too and I wondered why the announcement was dated October 25. so maybe they were a day too early :-) .. we'll know tomorrow.
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: deejjjaaaa on October 24, 2012, 11:39:10 AM
I did not care to read the pulled announcement - but it seems to me that price quoted there for C1 Pro was low... probably P1 wants to align that closer to LR price levels
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: robgo2 on October 25, 2012, 12:54:56 AM
At this very moment, there is a teaser ad on the front page of the Phase One website, promising a revolution in image quality.  We shall see if they can live up to their own hype.

Rob
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: LarsHansen on October 25, 2012, 06:39:10 AM
Hmm.. a revolution is a big mouthful. I'd be happy with less if they have made a good RAW converter for Fujis cameras with the X-Trans sensor... one that is on par with the cameras processing .. that would be a small revolution.
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: LarsHansen on October 25, 2012, 07:25:50 AM

Yes .. today it's the 25. ;-)
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/10/25/Phase-One-releases-Capture-One-Pro-version-7
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: Roskav on October 25, 2012, 07:30:27 AM
Hmm at first glance it seems to be expanding to cover some of the functions of media pro.  .. .. but they don't seem to give a discount for anyone who would have bought that program in addition to Capture One in the upgrade options.

R
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: LarsHansen on October 25, 2012, 07:38:28 AM
So far no Fuji X-Pro1 (or X-E1) in the list of supported Fuji cameras.
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: Doug Peterson on October 25, 2012, 08:18:06 AM
I've got some image quality examples on the main Capture One 7 thread (http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?topic=71760.msg569472;boardseen#new).
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: Alan Smallbone on October 25, 2012, 09:51:45 AM
They are giving upgrade pricing. I just bought V6 last month and they are giving me a free upgrade. I really hope they support the X-Pro 1 soon... although I can use it on my Canon images.

Alan
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: Paul Sumi on October 25, 2012, 10:14:58 AM
I really hope they support the X-Pro 1 soon...

Alan


I hope so, too.  Although if Adobe has had its challenges decoding X-Pro 1 RAWs, it remains to be seen if P1 has any better luck cracking the code.

That said, I'm happy that v7 still supports all my legacy RAWs all the way back to the Olympus E-10.

Paul
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: ario on October 25, 2012, 11:21:54 AM
I hope so, too.  Although if Adobe has had its challenges decoding X-Pro 1 RAWs, it remains to be seen if P1 has any better luck cracking the code.

That said, I'm happy that v7 still supports all my legacy RAWs all the way back to the Olympus E-10.

Paul
The problem is not decoding the raw file but developing a demosaicing algorithm suited for this exotic CFA.
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: BartvanderWolf on October 25, 2012, 12:28:58 PM
Hmm at first glance it seems to be expanding to cover some of the functions of media pro.  .. .. but they don't seem to give a discount for anyone who would have bought that program in addition to Capture One in the upgrade options.

So basically you don't have to pay for the MediaPro upgrade anymore ..., or, the package price has been reduced to 2 for the price of 1.

Just an alternative way of lookig at it.

Cheers,
Bart
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: photo570 on October 25, 2012, 04:55:52 PM
I notice that the Leica S/S2 is not listed as a supported file type anymore. I know you couldn't shoot tethered directly, you had to use Leica Image Shuttle and a watched folder. Can you still do this? I was this close to buying a S to compliment my Hasselblad H1/AptusII, now that the S to H adapter is available, but I want to stick with C1.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARG!

Cheers,
Jason.
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on October 25, 2012, 09:33:46 PM
As mentioned, I see no reason for it to be a charity when they are (Hopefully) putting over a 100 useful features/changes, with what reads to be a leap forward in IQ processing not ONLY from previous versions but from other RAW developers.
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: Isleofgough on October 25, 2012, 11:58:28 PM
There must be something wrong with the company's server. Multiple attempts to download paid upgrade have stalled at 18 hours. Internet connection speed tests show everything is working well. Tech support is not answering queries. Maybe they did not consider web traffic when announcing new version.
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: Doug Peterson on October 26, 2012, 12:52:48 AM
If you're having problems with Phase' servers you can use the "download now" link halfway down our page:
https://digitaltransitions.com/page/capture-one-pro

That runs from our (Digital Transitions) server rather than Phase's.

And yes, as a company that's been distributing software via web delivery for a decade Phase One's DK team did in fact account for an increase in traffic. The demand has just been that high that it exceeded even the high-end of the range they planned for.
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: Isleofgough on October 26, 2012, 09:51:00 AM
After an annoying 24 hour download, I was very happy to see that this is a wonderful update. Some old files that I could never get exactly the right rendition in Photoshop after importing from Lightroom and Capture One Pro 6, came to life in Capture One Pro 7. The shadow/highlight controls and clarity seem much better to my eye. For skin tones, I am getting better results is side by side comparison than Lightroom even after a lot of tweaking.
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: LKaven on October 26, 2012, 11:29:29 PM
After an annoying 24 hour download...

Best I found was to use the servers at night, local time.  Download from Europe when it's late afternoon/early evening in the eastern US. 
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: LarsHansen on October 27, 2012, 09:30:30 AM
It seems I'm going to have some extra work with this upgrade - I'm running Windows XP Pro 32bit. C1 7 only support a Windows 64bit OS. And going from a Windows 32bit OS to a 64bit OS seems to be a "start from scratch" operation. OMG...  :(
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: jrp on October 27, 2012, 10:54:22 AM
My first impressions, as a Lightroom user: image quality (Nikon, Sony NEX) is superb (although I have not compared side by side); catalog, an essential addition for those of us storing photos on a network drive;  on the downside, the user interface is a bit wearisome, requiring lots of clicks and scrolls and drop downs to get things done. Perhaps things will get less tiresome once I learn a few keyboard shortcuts, and make some presets, but at present, it's a struggle to see what adjustments you have applied so far, etc. Still, great to finally have a more than worthy competitor to the also improving Lightroom, which has a simpler interface, leaving the fiddly one to Photoshop itself. 
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: qwz on October 27, 2012, 12:42:35 PM
Is essential to
1. Learn (and make your own) key bindings.
2. enable Quick tool tab and arrange all needed palettes there
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: jeanvalentin on October 27, 2012, 01:56:20 PM
Is essential to
1. Learn (and make your own) key bindings.
2. enable Quick tool tab and arrange all needed palettes there


There are things that are better/easier done in LR, regardless if you make shortcuts or not. For example, to switch between browser/individual view/adjusting, in LR you just press one key: G/E/D. In C1 you have to create and use workspaces which involves many mouse moves/clicks. Also, if you switch between workspaces, you have to then click on an image if you want to use your arrows to move between them. Another thing is the possibility to automatically move to the next image after you rated; previous button to apply the settings from previous image and so forth.

This version it's an improvement (especially on highlight recovery where LR4 was kicking butt) but there are still things that can be improved in terms of interface.

And these are the things that come to mind right away.
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: jrp on October 27, 2012, 09:04:49 PM
Lightroom is also able to detect RAW+JPEG pairs and ignore the JPEG, which is a help.  With the new DXO due on Monday, we're starting to be spoilt for choice.
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: Doug Peterson on October 27, 2012, 09:43:22 PM

There are things that are better/easier done in LR, regardless if you make shortcuts or not. For example, to switch between browser/individual view/adjusting, in LR you just press one key: G/E/D. In C1 you have to create and use workspaces which involves many mouse moves/clicks. Also, if you switch between workspaces, you have to then click on an image if you want to use your arrows to move between them. Another thing is the possibility to automatically move to the next image after you rated


Both of the above items you point to can be done in C1 with a single keystroke if you are an advanced user.

I agree however they could make both more obvious to implement for newer or less software savvy users.
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: jeanvalentin on October 28, 2012, 02:50:59 AM
Both of the above items you point to can be done in C1 with a single keystroke if you are an advanced user.


I mentioned three things so which two are you referring to?
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: jeanvalentin on October 28, 2012, 03:03:47 AM
...
I agree however they could make both more obvious to implement for newer or less software savvy users.

I've been using C1 for a while, although I stopped using it when they change the interface in v4. Came back to it in v6. I didn't see any shortcuts in the manual so how is a user to know that certain things are available?

Also, another thing. In LR, I can right click on a folder and create a sub folder. The popup has a check box to move the selected files automatically to the new folder. In C1 you have to create the folder, set at as the Select folder and then "Move to".
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: mgrayson on October 28, 2012, 04:00:43 PM
Under the "Capture One" menu, choose "Edit Keyboard Shortcuts" to see a complete list.
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: jeanvalentin on October 29, 2012, 02:10:58 PM
Under the "Capture One" menu, choose "Edit Keyboard Shortcuts" to see a complete list.

I know you can customize and change keyboard shortcuts. As far as I know, there is nothing in C1 like what I mentioned. I'm always open to be proven wrong.
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: David Grover / Phase One on October 31, 2012, 08:53:52 AM
I've been using C1 for a while, although I stopped using it when they change the interface in v4. Came back to it in v6. I didn't see any shortcuts in the manual so how is a user to know that certain things are available?

Also, another thing. In LR, I can right click on a folder and create a sub folder. The popup has a check box to move the selected files automatically to the new folder. In C1 you have to create the folder, set at as the Select folder and then "Move to".

Goto Capture One (Menu Bar)>Edit Keyboard Shortcuts.  There is the complete list - or you could define your own.

With regards to your second question, why not use a Smart Album?  More Powerful!

David
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: jeanvalentin on October 31, 2012, 11:06:16 AM
Goto Capture One (Menu Bar)>Edit Keyboard Shortcuts.  There is the complete list - or you could define your own.

I didn't see anything that would accomplish what in LR is the viewing mode: E for single image view, G for browser view and D for processing the images. The closest I could come up with was creating different workspaces. I don't see any shortcuts (I looked) that would allow me to change between the workspaces. In addition to that, v7 crashes when I change workspace now.

With regards to your second question, why not use a Smart Album?  More Powerful!

David

Smart albums are only visible within Capture One. I use other software as well so I need to separate the selected images from a job in a different folder (culled).
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: Doug Peterson on October 31, 2012, 11:13:48 AM
I didn't see anything that would accomplish what in LR is the viewing mode: E for single image view, G for browser view and D for processing the images. The closest I could come up with was creating different workspaces. I don't see any shortcuts (I looked) that would allow me to change between the workspaces.

Dealing with post-hurricane catchup so can't take you through step by step.

But yes, you can create a keyboard shortcut via OSX to access a workspace.

And yes you can create a keyboard shorcut via Capture One to switch from single image to browser - simply assign e.g. Option-V to "hide/show (toggle) viewer" and hide the browser (apple-B).
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: David Grover / Phase One on October 31, 2012, 11:18:53 AM
I didn't see anything that would accomplish what in LR is the viewing mode: E for single image view, G for browser view and D for processing the images. The closest I could come up with was creating different workspaces. I don't see any shortcuts (I looked) that would allow me to change between the workspaces. In addition to that, v7 crashes when I change workspace now.

Smart albums are only visible within Capture One. I use other software as well so I need to separate the selected images from a job in a different folder (culled).

If you are using sessions then you could simply move the images to the Selects folder, or Cmd-J.
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: jeanvalentin on October 31, 2012, 11:25:14 AM
If you are using sessions then you could simply move the images to the Selects folder, or Cmd-J.

That's what I'm doing now, but here is the difference in workflow.

LR - right click on parent folder -> create new folder (make sure check box is set to move them to the new folder) - done, just a right click
C1 - right click on parent folder -> create new folder -> right click on new folder -> set as selects folder -> Command + J

That's the point I'm trying to get across. The workflow on v3.xx was so simple was brilliant. Instead of keeping it that simple (you can add features and still keep a simple workflow), it was changed and you either have to be a savant to remember all kinds of keyboard combinations or you need a lot of mouse clicks.
Title: Re: Capture One 7 - I'm hearing it's coming very soon....
Post by: jeanvalentin on November 03, 2012, 05:21:33 PM
Dealing with post-hurricane catchup so can't take you through step by step.

But yes, you can create a keyboard shortcut via OSX to access a workspace.

And yes you can create a keyboard shorcut via Capture One to switch from single image to browser - simply assign e.g. Option-V to "hide/show (toggle) viewer" and hide the browser (apple-B).

I hope you are OK and not being affected too much by the hurricane.

So, instead of providing a way to do it in the software you have to rely on the operating system? What about Windows? I don't know about you, but it doesn't make sense to that approach.

Compare hitting a letter and a combination of keyboard shortcuts. What's easier? And that's the problem, the workflow/interface used to be SO SIMPLE. There is no logical reason to complicate matters when you add features.