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Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Printing: Printers, Papers and Inks => Topic started by: Roscolo on August 15, 2012, 01:06:00 pm
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I just bought a 44" ipf8300. If I had a crystal ball (well, I've got one but mine's always on the fritz) I would have waited. Got an email from IT Supplies offering $1,000 rebate on the 44" ipf8300, and an $880 trade in, and $500 instant rebate. Their price on the ipf8330 is $3899. Do the math and you can pick one up $1519. Add the $50 for the liftgate and the final price is $1569. That's $1,000 less than I paid last month! And I thought I got a great deal. I do not usually post "deals" on the forums, but this is a great price for anyone needing a new printer, or a back-up or second printer. I'm guessing they're clearing the way for whatever the next iteration of this printer is that is probably just around the bend.
EDIT: I'm likely miscalculated. The $500 instant rebate is likely factored into the $3899 price already. That would make it $2069. Still the best price I've seen.
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It's a plot to get you hooked on ink cartridges. Probably by December they will be paying people to haul them away, and they will still be making money. Hey kid, first one's free!
On Sunday I had an amazing experience. The printer demanded that I replace an ink cartridge. I did. It then immediately demanded that I replace another cart. And no sooner had I replaced that one, than it demanded yet another one! Three in a row, my personal best record. $850 in carts thrown to the insatiable beast.
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I'm OK with that as long as the carts are actually empty and they aren't pulling an Epson telling you to replace carts still loaded with ink! :) I eagerly anticipate the Haul Away Sale. Years ago I did score a pristine Chromega D 4x5, with lenses, accessories, etc. that all I had to do was haul it away when all the labs literally were having "haul away sales."
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The 8300 has never lied to me about empty carts. For a while I was weighing them, now I just give them a heft and a shake to be sure. So far so good. OTOH the little bar charts are not all that accurate, for instance the indication for a 700ml GY cart when from 1/4 full to empty in about 20 square feet. I suspect the indications for the 330ml carts are more accurate.
BTW the 8300 won't let you start a print unless it thinks there's enough ink to completely finish it, it doesn't do mid-print cart changes like the old 9880. When I think a cart is about done I sometimes start running smaller prints to make best use of the remaining ink.
Hah! A few years ago I couldn't even give away an old Omega 4x5 condenser + soft light setup! I kept the El Nikkor lenses for sentimental value.
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Yesteday I replaced the Blue 130ml cartdrigde on my HPz3200ps (until the printer stop printing). I opened it, and wow! I couldn`t even tell if there was at least 1ml of ink left. Of course you cannot play at the limits on all the colors of my printer, but it`s really frugal on ink use and you can play "poker" with the firmware alerts until the printer stops printing (and even you can change the ink while in the process of printing).
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Roscolo,
You are indeed correct on the price. We were just informed from Canon on the lower price a few days ago. This is the lowest price I've ever seen this model selling at. So, if you have a printer that is 36" or wider, that qualifies for the trade-in discount. The other 2 discounts are definitely towards the printer purchase.
I work for IT Supplies as well, but if you get the chance to buy it, I would do this since Epson and HP don't even match it within their 44" printers. Plus, you get a full set of 330ml inks ($2000 value)!
As far as I'm aware, Canon isn't going to be discontinuing this model since it's been a huge hit for a year or 2. The inks are still fairly reasonable.
If you get a tank that states it's out but still somewhat full, the chip on the cartridge may be faulty. This happens.
Let me know if you have questions with this.
Chris Wood
cwood@itsupplies.com
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Oh, Chris, I talked to you on the phone a few times about a month ago when I was searching for a replacement / backup for my z3100. Now if you had only tipped me off about this deal I would have held out and bought my ipf8300 from you! :)
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Sorry about that. Wish I would have known about it sooner and could have informed you. The instant discount was started last night from the e-blast. I know the trade-in and mail-in were going on since beginning of the month.
As long as you purchased a unit, that's great savings to you!
Did you also get the link for the mail-in rebate for Canon?
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Already got my $1,000 check. Even with that, your deal is right at $1,000 less! Dang!
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Just occurred to me that I think the $500 instant rebate is probably already calculated into the price. That would bring the price after $1,000 mail in rebate and $880 trade in up to $2069 (with liftgate). That is still the best price I've seen.
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HMM Lets see.. The last time These units where this low was when they where the 8100 Series..Sounds and Smells Like a x400 Series This fall..
But Than again What Do I Know ;) ::) :o
Cheers
Jim Doyle
Shades Of Paper
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I thought I got the best price I had ever seen. Ordered one on Monday for $2115 plus lift gate from PMSI.
$1000 rebate, $880 trade in, and $300 off their normal base price of $4295.
Considering there is around $2K of ink in it, they are pretty much giving you the printer.
Probably a new model coming, oh well :-\
Just got tracking info and it is in town.
For those of you who have moved one of these beasts, can I get by with just two people
or should I get more. No stairs just one 36" doorway to go through.
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I don't remember what models our Canon rep told us that were coming out in Q4 to early next year, but I don't recall an x400 series. The new printers were somewhat confidential, but I don't remember what our rep mentioned model wise. Just that there would be a couple of cool updated ones.
For both of the companies I work for, our price is lower than PMSI by about $100.
The 8300 should be a great printer for the next couple years since we sell many of the each quarter.
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For those of you who have moved one of these beasts, can I get by with just two people
or should I get more. No stairs just one 36" doorway to go through.
2 STRONG guys where able to get mine up a flight of stairs and in to my studio without incident.
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I bought my last three printers in December, because of the super year-end sales that seem to come up at that time that don't seem directly connected to new models on the horizon. Still waitin' for the iPF9300, come on baby!
Be sure to call your favorite suppliers and tell them to put you on their heads-up call list.
Yer OK on the 36" doorway. If you are ground floor all the way, unpack the box outside, assemble the stand, put the printer on the stand, and roll it in. Easy. But the box itself is humongous.
I hired two muscle builders through Craigslist who lifted the 8300 with ease. But it would have taken 8 of me, two or three of whom would have died. Would be better to have at least 4 able bodied men, and one pretty girl to position the stand underneath the printer while is it held aloft. An independent stand positioner person is a big help, those holding up the printer will not have a clue how to register it onto the stand. Piano movers are another possibility.
Good luck!
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Probably a new model coming, oh well :-\
Just got tracking info and it is in town.
For those of you who have moved one of these beasts, can I get by with just two people
or should I get more.
Yeah, but the new ones likely won't be anywhere near this reasonably priced, and the ipf8300 is a proven model. I've learned I NEVER want to be an early adopter of a new model, unless beta testing and it's free. The z3100 is the only time I bought the first model of anything, and we see a year later they came out with the improved red.
All you need is 1 person plus yourself to lift the ipf8300 onto the stand. Manual says you need 4 people. The extra people probably just get in the way and that's how you could drop it! Me and a friend did it easily, and we're not weightlifters or anything. Might help if someone else is there just to guide you in lining up the arrows, though (you'll see). Or just use a mirror so you both can see to line up the arrows.
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Bill
No 9300 Sorry But can U Say 9400.. ::) ::) ::) ::) 8400 ::) ::) ::) ::) 6400 with a Spectro :o :o :o :o :o
But what Do I Know.. I Know This Much That I Dont Need to constantly Tell people who I work for and That I am Less.. Like someone else on the board..
BUT I WILL TELL YOU THIS HE Cant BEAT ME Ever when it comes to price and Certainly Not Knowledge just because!!! HA Sorry Chris! But a Good Salesperson Educates and helps there customers! Try Doing That Instead Of always Bashing your competitors..
Cheers
Jim Doyle
Shades Of Paper
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If the only upgrade is a spectro, I'm glad I got the deal on the ipf8300, since I've already got the onboard spectro with the z3100 and with APS it can profile the ipf8300. That said, I'm glad Canon has seen the light and is including a spectro. It it is at least as good as the HP z series, that's a definite plus for those with no printer profiling system already in place.
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A drop down menu in an application form (https://www.developers.canon-europa.com/developer/bsdp/bsdp_reg.nsf/newuser?openform) for Canon third party software developers mentions the iPf6400, iPF6450, iPF8400, iPF9400, and iPF9400s.
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Good digging Bill, so they are coming. Will be interesting to see what they improve.
I'll probably stay with my new 8300 for a couple years unless there are some very major
improvements. Can't complain about the price, and I'm not going to cry about $100 difference between my deal
and Chris's. If it was $500-1000 then I would be a little bummed.
Can't imagine anybody would ever sell them for less than the cost of a set of ink. My cost was pretty close to that.
Thanks everybody for the advise. Trucking company called, it will be here between Noon and 2Pm tomorrow.
I have another friend coming to help guide and align us with the stand.
Bill, I get a kick out of your sense of humor ;D ;D
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Interesting that the rebates have been going on since the beginning of the month. I was looking at Atlex about a week ago, and someone there started a chat with me. I said I was waiting for rebates to appear on the 8300 before purchasing one, and the only response I got was "OK". Guess it's about time to order from IT Supplies!
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Besides the $2000.00 in ink you are also getting 2 new Heads ($900.00+)!................just buy the printer and use the consumables .............. save the chassis for major breakdowns (belts, mainboard, etc.)
This is crazy.
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But don't forget the shipping, and the time spent in receiving and handling, and storing the rather large printer body. And winding up with two obsolete printers carcasses a few years down the road. And there are other issues having to do with parts compatibility due to manufacturing revisions, etc. It actually involves quite a bit of effort, and after thinking about it I decided not to go that route.
And I really think Canon should reward me for that attitude by sending me a free iPF9400 for testing. Yoohoo...Canon! I'm available!
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Yeah, Jim. what would a person in your position know? :-)
HMM Lets see.. The last time These units where this low was when they where the 8100 Series..Sounds and Smells Like a x400 Series This fall..
But Than again What Do I Know ;) ::) :o
Cheers
Jim Doyle
Shades Of Paper
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The nice price on the ipf8300 (even though I don't have a trade-in) is making me think whether this is a good time to take the plunge on a large-format printer. My concern (or at least one of them) is the comment Bill T. has made a couple of times in other threads about the need to tweak one's edited photo files when moving from Epson to Canon. This has stuck in the back of my mind. What is the problem, and what is necessary? My prints match what I see on-screen, and have been printed on the Epson 2200 (years ago), the 3880, 4900, and the R3000. I use Photoshop CS5, processing raw files first in ACR, then some additional editing if necessary in Photoshop. Doesn't an ICC-managed work-flow yield the same results on a Canon? I really don't want to have to re-edit files I'm already happy with. What would I expect with a change in printer brand?
As additional information, I am attracted to the Canon because I don't print a lot and don't want a going-crazy experience with clogs that won't clear and large amounts of wasted ink. The downside of the Canon is that I prefer printing on cut sheets when I can to avoid having to deal with curl. I've watched a video on loading cut-sheets in the Canon and think I can deal with that, especially as I am not printing large volumes. Advice would be appreciated, especially as to any need to re-work photo files. --Barbara
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In terms of cut sheets, be aware that on the 8300 the minimum trailing end margin is larger than the other three. This will pose problems if you're trying to print 8x10 on 8.5x11" paper, for example.
Neil
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What is the problem, and what is necessary? My prints match what I see on-screen, and have been printed on the Epson 2200 (years ago), the 3880, 4900, and the R3000. I use Photoshop CS5, processing raw files first in ACR, then some additional editing if necessary in Photoshop. Doesn't an ICC-managed work-flow yield the same results on a Canon? I really don't want to have to re-edit files I'm already happy with. What would I expect with a change in printer brand?
Barbara,
The printer profile describes the gamut of the printer/media combination and when the gamut is increased or changes shape between successive printer generations the printer profiles will do the same. Depending on the CM rendering intent you used in the past and will use in the future your prints will change towards the new printer gamut. If you did not experience that with the changes from the 2200 up to the 4900 + R3000 then it will likely not be an issue either in this case. You could also do some proofs on an 8300 to see what happens. Gamut increase is progress in printer land. Cross rendered proofing and profiles created for that purpose could recreate the original Epson gamut on the Canon if the Canon gamut extends on all the boundaries of the Epson gamut. Whether that is worth the effort in your case remains a question.
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Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst
340+ paper white spectral plots:
http://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm
update july 2012: Moab changes, paper sorting by name
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The problem was not going from Epson to Canon per se. The problem was moving to a printer/media combination that had a somewhat wider gamut of colors than the previous one.
For instance, the 12 ink Canon can print colors around blue and red with much better saturation and accuracy than the old 8 ink Epson. Not that the Epson could not make beautiful prints! Colors that I had pumped to limits of the 9880's gamut and otherwise tweaked to "come through" looking nice, came through howling like a banshee on the 8300! Whoa, where did that blue come from! And how 'bout those reds! It was just a matter of toning down the printer files a little bit. But since I was doing all that during a seasonal printing crunch, it had a bigger impact than it might have otherwise. And since nothing is more fun than complaining, I did!
A comparable thing is taking the same printing file from a subtle, low gamut matte paper or canvas to a much louder glossy paper or canvas. Certain more extreme colors that can print accurately within the gamut on the glossy media will have areas significantly out of gamut (ie. color clipped) on the matte media, and the best possible matte print will be made by toning down or shifting those colors a bit. Which is best done by soft proofing with a few test strips thrown in.
So anytime you change media types on the same printer, or move between printers with significantly different gamuts you need to do some file tweaking. And that's the way it is in Inkjet Land.
Anyhoo, no piece of equipment has earned my love and affection more easily than the 8300, except for maybe the refrigerator. It's so easy going compared to the 9880 or any of its predecessors. Cheers.
Edit...I left something out. When you find yourself in a situation where a wider gamut media or printer can offer more colors than the previous venue, you also have the option to push the printed image into areas it could not go before. So you have to ask yourself, do I want to maintain the same look as before, or go for a more dramatic rendition of the image than before. I go for the gold, every time.
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Wow. Thank you for the replies, Neil, Ernst, and Bill. I do understand gamut, and don't offhand remember the difference between the two major rendering intents, but for what it's worth, I have always used relative colorimetric with black point compensation (I did know the difference at the time I made the choice for relative colorimetric). What I could probably figure out if I wrapped my head around it, but you may know right off the top, Ernst, is whether that choice will tend to give me more or fewer issues when I make a change. And actually, I don't do that many reprints to worry me unduly. I can do any edits that are needed. The comments about the edits, Ernst and Bill, helped tremendously, and gave me less to worry about. Now I know what to look for. Any increased gamut I can appreciate and enjoy and make the necessary adjustments. I enjoy doing landscapes, and any additional range in the blues would be quite nice.
Bill, I enjoyed your comment about the refrigerator. I finally, in my 60's, have a refrigerator I love. But I love my printers at least as much (no, undoubtedly more). The thing for me about photography is that it is a multi-part creation, and I love each of the parts -- the capture with the camera, the editing in Photoshop (and I've tried to learn CaptureOne), and the print. What a joy it all is! -- Barbara
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Barbara, if you still have the 3800 or 4900 they qualify for the trade in rebate.
Check out this link>
http://www.proimagingsupplies.com/docs/rebates/canon/may2012/canon-trade-in-2012.pdf
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Actually, after looking closer anything epson SP2000 and up qualifies.
So You should be good to go ;D
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Be careful I am under the imPression that to qualify for a trade in the unit has
To be 36" or bIgger
Cheers
Jim Doyle
Shades of Paper
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<But it would have taken 8 of me, two or three of whom would have died.>
Please don't post something like this when I'm enjoying a beverage...almost exited via my nose <g>.
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Be careful I am under the imPression that to qualify for a trade in the unit has
To be 36" or bIgger
Cheers
Jim Doyle
Shades of Paper
Maybe PMSI is wrong but their website clearly states the information I gave before.
Here is a link to the page where you check if your printer qualifies.
http://www.proimagingsupplies.com/Rebates-and-Promotions-32.html
See "Click here to see if your printer qualifies for trade-in savings."
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Be careful I am under the imPression that to qualify for a trade in the unit has
To be 36" or bIgger
Cheers
Jim Doyle
Shades of Paper
I used an Epson 2400 to get the trade-in instant rebate on a new 8300 a couple months ago.
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I have always used relative colorimetric with black point compensation (I did know the difference at the time I made the choice for relative colorimetric). What I could probably figure out if I wrapped my head around it, but you may know right off the top, Ernst, is whether that choice will tend to give me more or fewer issues when I make a change.
Barbara,
Suppose you used relative colormetric and AdobeRGB for the image's color space, it would give less changes than either sRGB and ProPhoto and perceptual rendering. Based on the assumption that AdobeRGB is somewhere in the middle of the printer's gamuts we discuss here. If you want to use the Canon's gamut optimal with new strong images you may consider switching to ProPhoto.
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Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst
340+ paper white spectral plots:
http://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm
update july 2012: Moab changes, paper sorting by name
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Ernst, thank you for your additional comments. I forgot to mention that I am already using the ProPhoto space for the raw conversion and editing in Photoshop/ACR. I should add that I always enjoy reading your posts on the variety of subjects you feel inclined to respond to. Thanks again. --Barbara
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But don't forget the shipping, and the time spent in receiving and handling, and storing the rather large printer body. And winding up with two obsolete printers carcasses a few years down the road. And there are other issues having to do with parts compatibility due to manufacturing revisions, etc. It actually involves quite a bit of effort, and after thinking about it I decided not to go that route.
And I really think Canon should reward me for that attitude by sending me a free iPF9400 for testing. Yoohoo...Canon! I'm available!
I decided to go down the same route as well. It will cost me a few hundred bucks more to buy the full set of ink and replacement heads, but I do not have to sink all the money up front, so I get better cash flow, plus I do not have to worry about throwing the entire printer away somehow. Bill and others who are using high volume have had no problem with the printer itself, so I am going to stick with that plan. I do low volume, and so far it has worked great for me. None of these clogging head problem that Epson guys see when they do not use if frequently. (I do art shows, so I print a lot in a batch, then it sits around for about a month before next large volume gets printed)
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Those prices are unbelievable. What a deal. I really don't see anything they could improve over the 8300. But I make my own profiles with X-Rite.
The Canon does more cleanings than the HP but no where near what you have to do with my Epson. In both cases the ink carts face down and drain pretty much all of it.
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I am strongly considering purchasing one of these printers. I have owned an HP Z3100 for about 5 years and have had zero maintenance issues other than I replaced a few print heads. My printing is sporadic, thus I need a printer that can sit for long periods without clog issues. The HP has been a champ at this and from what I read above the Canon is pretty good as well. I do have a few questions though.
My understanding is that the Canon has a maintenance tank. How often does this need to be changed?
I leave the Z3100 on all the time. Ink usage during self cleanings seem to be minimal. How much ink does the Canon use? Do you leave it on all the time as well?
Even though the HP ink cartridges are relatively small compared to the Canon, the cost per ml is quite good (comparatively speaking) if you buy the HP 2 pack. Actually, it appears to be less per ml than the Canon 300ml cartridge. One must move up to the Canon 700ml to match the per ml cost. This concerns me a little since I often have cartridges that the printer indicates have expired (I have continued to use them without problems) before they are completely used up. Do Canon cartridges expire as well? Can they continue to be used? Will this void the head warranty?
Lastly, the Z3100 software seemed to work better on the old windows xp than the current windows 7. I believe Ernst has commented on this in the past. Are there any software issues I should be aware of or concerned about with the Canon?
Thanks in advance for any advise you all can offer.
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I have an 8300 and am not a heavy-volume user. I leave it on all the time and have never had to replace the maintenance tank, and ink cleanings do not appear to have an impact on ink usage.
I use it with Windows 7 x64 and there are no issues.
Neil
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Thanks for the info Neile. How long have you owned it? Can you provide any info on whether the ink carts expire?
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Canon says that carts shouldn't be left in the printer for more than 6 months. But I think that's just a wildly safe number. AFAIK a lot of people here must have cartridges installed for way more than year, and we're not hearing complaints.
I've got two Win7 and one Vista computers accessing the 8300 over the same network. No problems, and there doesn't seem to be any difference in printing speed.
And like neile I leave the printer on all the time. Left to itself it will wake up every day and grunt for a while, then go back to sleep. Once in a while it will do the syncopated "agitation" routine, which I don't quite understand but which I assume is a good thing. Very little ink seems to be used by those activities. The wake up period seems to be slightly longer than 24 hours, so if you're into a daily printing cycle it may not even happen. When I hear it wake up I am reminded that I am being a slacker and need to run some more prints.
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Thanks for the info, Bill. The printer sounds pretty bullet proof!
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Yes I was correct..The Trade in On The 8300 is as Follows..
Canon is pleased to offer a Trade-in promotion on imagePROGRAF printers. To earn this rebate, a Canon printer will be a
trade-in replacement for approved competitor’s Large Format printers traded in by the end-user customer. Sales to end
customer must be made between July 1, 2012 and September 30, 2012.
ImagePROGRAF Eligible Unit Trade-In Amount Trade-In Requirement
iPF6350 / iPF6300 $300
Any 17‖ or Wider Inkjet Printer
iPF6300S $200
iPF9100 / iPF9000S $1,200
Any 36‖ or Wider Inkjet Printer
iPF8300 $880
iPF8300S $300
iPF8000S $880
iPF825 / iPF825 MFP $600
Any 36‖ or Wider Inkjet or LED
Printer
iPF815 / iPF815 MFP $250
iPF765 $550
iPF765 MFP $950
iPF760 $500
iPF760 MFP $900
iPF755 $550
iPF755 MFP $950
Cheers
Jim doyle
Shades Of Paper
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I bought it November 15th, 2010. I'm still on my original ink cartridges with no signs of any ill effects.
Neil
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Shouldn't this thread really be called: 44" Canon ipf8300 - best price I've ever seen in the USA
I just checked Vistek (Canada), and whaddyaknow, it's listed at a bargain basement price of $5400+Tax including rebates.
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Thanks again for the info, Neile. I'm convinced, just ordered one!
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Shouldn't this thread really be called: 44" Canon ipf8300 - best price I've ever seen in the USA
I just checked Vistek (Canada), and whaddyaknow, it's listed at a bargain basement price of $5400+Tax including rebates.
That's ridiculous. Sounds like Canon Canada isn't particularly interested in selling large format printers.
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To avoid disappointment I have not checked European prices or actions after reading this thread. It will not be different for down under I guess. Whatever brand of printer the better deals happen in the US.
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Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst
Dinkla Grafische Techniek
Quad,piëzografie,giclée
www.pigment-print.com
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Basically, from my understanding is that Epson's 9900 is supposed to be the top of the line quality with the O&G where the 9890 and the IPF8300 are still very close in the color gamut area. To really figured out which printer you would like to go with for the best quality printing that you want, Canon and Epson have the best selections. HP has already discontinued the Z3200 series and only has the Z6200 series available at the moment now.
With the trade-in discount, whomever you purchase it from would just need a picture of the qualified printer serial number to be emailed to them for verification. Depending on which Canon printer you go with, you will get a trade-in amount off the printer price upfront. Canon states that the printer being used should be removed from the location that it's in.
So far, with IT Supplies and Atlex, we currently have the 3 discounts going on right now. The Instant rebate is upfront already and ends either while supplies last or at the end of September.
This is by far the biggest promotion that I've ever seen from Canon while working at the company for 2 years. With the free 330ml ink and 2 printheads, you're saving more than half off upfront (including trade-in) and our free shipping (same as most of our competitors).
Let me know if anyone has any questions.
cwood@itsupplies.com
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With the trade-in discount, whomever you purchase it from would just need a picture of the qualified printer serial number to be emailed to them for verification. Depending on which Canon printer you go with, you will get a trade-in amount off the printer price upfront. Canon states that the printer being used should be removed from the location that it's in.
I did move my z3100 from the gallery into the office. Glad to see I complied with Canon's requirements! :)
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I wish we could see a similar discount percent on the IPF9100 60" printer. Epson 11880's are now as low $6500.00.
I now have both the ipf 8300 & 11880, but the 11880 dropped out its three warranty 3 mos ago and now head clogs happen all to often.... (the internal warranty clock)
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For those of you who already have an ipf8300, the trade-in discount does not apply, so it close to $3,000 to pick up a new unit. You won't be saving any money this way to replenish your ink and heads. I've seen better deals around thanksgiving/Christmas for the past 2 years.
For HP and Epson users, now might be the perfect time to migrate over. Grass is greener printed on a Canon printer. :-)
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I wish we could see a similar discount percent on the IPF9100 60" printer. Epson 11880's are now as low $6500.00.
I now have both the ipf 8300 & 11880, but the 11880 dropped out its three warranty 3 mos ago and now head clogs happen all to often.... (the internal warranty clock)
The discount for the 9100 is $1200 if you have a qualifying 36" printer or larger. The 11880 that you have would qualify for this trade in and the huge Mail-in would help you out as well.
Feel free to email me for a price quote.
cwood@itsupplies.com
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I was also going to mention from a previous post that manufacturers state to not leave ink in a printer for more than a specific time. Now, with the updated print heads and the moistened sponge that the print heads stay over help to prevent the inks from clogging. The president of our company (whom used to work for HP) mentioned that certain manufacturers are thinking about removing the expiration on the ink pack since they won't really expire.
With the new printers, this issue shouldn't be a problem with leaving ink in your printer for months at a time and possibly printing a few times. Doing the nozzle check and print head alignment will normally fix the banding issues if left unused.
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Just wanted to inform everyone that was interested in the 8300 that Canon updated their trade-in list.
Epson Stylus Pro 4000 Series (17" inkjet), Stylus Pro 7000 Series (24" inkjet),
HP Designjet Z2100, Z3100 and Z3200 (24" inkjet) printers.
As long as your current printer isn't already used for a previous trade-in, it will qualify (working or not).
If you have questions, feel free to contact me.
cwood@itsupplies.com
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These are wonderful prices. They had something similar about a year or so ago, when I got my 8300. One thing you may want to consider is purchasing the extended warranty (perhaps closer to when the warranty is about to run out). I didn't and I am sorry now. Let me explain why: Up until this weekend my 8300 was running flawlessly. I use it primarily for canvas, and I was still using the original ink and maintenance cartridges, with light to moderate use. An absolutely wonderful machine. Then this weekend, out of the blue, the machine wouldn't print. It originally listed a "2618" hardware error code (which could be anything from bad print heads, to a bad cable, to a bad PCB.) After an A Cleaning, it then listed a "2F42" error code (which I believe relates to bad print heads). I called Canon today, and they had me update the firmware and print a nozzle check, which showed that the print heads weren't functioning properly.
Now, here's the rub: I asked for new print heads. But, Canon wasn't interested in sending me replacement print heads (which they normally do, gratis, when the heads have little ink usage, even though outside the warranty period). Instead, they want to schedule a service call for $1,500.00! You heard it right ... $1,500.00! That is what it costs to get them out to look at your machine.
Now, you might be saying .... can't you get an independent service company to service Canon Prograf inkjet printers. So far, the short answer is, "No." Canon has got you by the "short and curlys." Their business model is something like the old Bardahl Oil Treatment commercial " ... you can pay me now ... or you can pay me later ..."
So, when you buy that new Canon printer at what seems to be a give away price, also see if you can get the extended warranty, preferably sometime down the road, before the original 1 year warranty expires. If something minor goes wrong after the warranty expires .... like a $25.00 part ... guess what? If you call Canon it will cost you $1,500.00 to get it fixed.
Believe me, I am not dumping on Canon. I love the quality of the prints the machine has made (so far). But, you really have to ask yourself what the true cost of owning such a machine might be, especially if you have to pay for service on the back-end at Canon's prices, with no alternative, other than Canon.
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Yes, this can be a hassle. The great part is that you can replace your print heads by yourself without wasting the $1500 for the service call. We sell them for less than that for both heads together. The other nice part of the Mail-in rebate on the printer is that you have the option between the $1000 cash back or the 1-year extended CarePak warranty ($1250 value). Otherwise, you can check through Pitney Bowes, which I believe is the company that Canon goes through for out of warranty service. If you have issues through Canon, we can check with our Canon rep for better assistance. Normally customer service people can be a pain on the direct side, but checking with a person rep can sometimes help with pushing the issue faster for a fix.
Let me know if you have further questions regarding this.
cwood@atlex.com
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... The great part is that you can replace your print heads by yourself without wasting the $1500 for the service call.
Of course I can. That is what I wanted to. However, Canon wasn't inclined to send out me out a replacement set at no charge. They wanted me to pay for a set of new heads ... and obviously I can get them much cheaper than $1,500.00. That is not the point. I have read numerous instances where Canon would simply send out a new set of heads ... no charge .... when the heads have failed outside the warranty period, if the heads have had little or moderate ink usage through them. (As you know, the heads are really warrantied based upon the amount of ink that has gone through them, and not based upon time.) I even talked to a supervisor at Canon. Their position: we don't know "for sure" that replacing the heads will fix the problem, so you could end-up needing that $1,500.00 service call after all!
Now, here is the interesting thing. Last evening I did a B Cleaning and tried to print another nozzle check. It wouldn't print the nozzle check and the machine gave me a message (in plain, good old English) saying to replace both heads!!! So, I guess I will give Canon a call back and see if that changes anything on their end.
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I see what your saying. I believe I miss read your previous reply. If you get another person, they will probably tell you differently and hopefully send them out to you free of charge :)
Good luck!
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Just wanted to inform everyone that Canon gave another discount off the printer price. Granite, it is another $20, but still makes it below $2000 after all discounts!
Contact us if you have any questions.
cwood@itsupplies.com
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I see what your saying. ... If you get another person, they will probably tell you differently and hopefully send them out to you free of charge :)Good luck!
I tried. I talked to another service guy at Canon this morning and e-mailed him the status report (after I had upgraded the firmware). Basically: the nozzles are bad and he claims a PCB board is also bad.
Now, here's the rub: The second service guy asked me whether I kept the machine on constantly or turned it off. I told him I turned it off after use. Oh, he says. It would be better to keep the machine on all the time. Really, I say. Where does it say that it in the manual? The service guy: Well, it doesn't say that anywhere. It is just something that we have found. Well, that's nice I say. Thanks for that little bit of $1,500.00 advice. It certainly would have been nice to have had the benefit of that information from Canon when I bought the machine, or when I when I reviewed the manuals. I would have left it on all the time!
Now, it gets better: While he is telling me all of this, I have 2 status reports up on my screen. The first status report is from the old firmware (from Tuesday) and the new status report is from today with the new firmware. Guess what? The new firmware has an 8 hour power time-out. Basically, it shuts the machine off after being on for 8 hours. I tell this to the Canon guy, and ask him, so how can I keep the machine on full-time? Oh, it has a power time-out, he says. Hmm, I guess that must be for some sort of energy compliance. But, he says, I think you can disable it somehow. (WTF)
So, I guess it is going to cost me the big $1,500.00. Just be aware that if you upgrade to the new firmware, you may have to figure out a way to keep your machine on all the time. Nice to know all these little secrets about how to care for your machine. Considering that this is supposedly a "professional" machine, don't you think it would be appropriate for Canon to tell you this in the manual ... rather than waiting for a failure, so that you they can then charge you the big $$ for a service call?
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I've had the same issue on my 8300, after upgrading firmware, it shuts itself off after a bit. I'll have to look to see how to disable it, I am squarely in the "leave it on all the time" camp for nearly every piece of electronics I own.
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I discovered the power-off timeout as well. Couldn't figure out what was happening, couldn't be power glitches since I have the printer on a UPS.
Go into the menu on the printer's control panel, there's a setting in there where you can disable it. I don't remember the exact details now, but it wasn't hard to find.
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This whole "Turn off, leave on" thing is getting weirder. First, there is no info as to leave on or off in the literature you get when you purchase. Wise people here who watch these things have worked out that leaving on is better, and you'd have to agree, otherwise why when you do, does it wake up and check temperature and humidity, do a little nozzle check and agitate the ink.
Now we hear that the factory default is to NOT leave on. What about some genuine answers from the Canon engineers about this? Is it some sort of secret society that keeps secrets, do we have to keep on with guessing games? Very un-professional attitude frrom the manufacturer. If they don't participate here, then where?
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Thanks so much for that, John. I had no idea why the printer wasn't staying on. (It's in the System Setup menu, called Shut Down Timer.)
--Drew
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OK so I now have one of these on the way.... my HPZ3100 was one of the early ones, and although I plan to do a belt service on it soon I've been eyeing canvas printing and want to go bigger than the 24" printer will offer.
My question is about the depth, including space around it needed to load rolls. The specs say that it's 38" including the stand. So....
I assume that this includes the catcher, is that right?
How deep is the printer alone?
Can you load from either side, front or back? (eg I load my Z3100 from the right only and don't need any additional space behind the printer)
which leads to...
How much distance do I need to have behind it, or to the right or left to load rolls?
Anything else I should be thinking about for placement?
I have a couple of spots I can put it and one of them is a little more space constrained but would be a little better
Thanks
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Here are the dimensions with the basket from Canon's site.
(with stand): 45" (H) x 74.5" (W) x 38.4" (D)
The sheets and rolls load from the front.
Printer, basket, stand and full 330ml inks all come in the shipment (one box).
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For various reasons I have chosen not to use the stand supplied with the 8300. Instead I set the printer on top of 3 sets of flat file storage units. This raises the printer about 48 inches off the floor and makes rear access difficult. There is no space required behind the printer and it is 29 inches deep. I don't have the standard paper catcher though something can easily be rigged. Loading is front only regardless of how the printer is set up. No extra space is needed on the sides.
The repair tech. just loved this setup when he came to repair my printer. I had to beg him to make a second visit.
Moving the printer does require that I have buddies willing to work for pizza, but it's just a matter of trade offs. This way I have room for flat files and a 44 inch printer.
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Ahh, load from the front. Love it! I was not aware of that. It will be welcome as my back was not looking forward to wrerstling 44" rolls behind the printer.
Deloof, that's a good idea, in fact I did this with my Z3100, although I built a table over a single 29" x 42" lower flat file and use the space between for storage, but it's got me thinking now.
Thanks
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I bought my 8300 in December last year, I got it on a good promotion from LexJet, almost close to this price. After the deals I probably paid around $2600 shipped, and I thought that was a crazy deal.
I do fairly "low" volume IMO, but have printed around 70k sq inches thus far in ink volume. I just replaced my matte-black tank, and thats the only one that was even near depletion. I print on canvas exclusively and do a lot of black borders, so thats why it was used more than other colors. The gray is the next lowest, but thats typical for Canon, as my 9500 sucks Gray ink more than the others. I'll be using 700ml tanks as I replace them since its about a 20% savings over the 330ml tanks.
So, in 9 months, I've never had a single issue, clog, hiccup, or any problem. It's always plugged in, but it seems to maintain itself quite well. The color output is incredible. I'm thrilled with my purchase and would highly recommend this printer without hesitation to anyone. The only thing that would make this printer better is if I could print from LR4.
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The only thing that would make this printer better is if I could print from LR4.
I print from LR4 on my 8300 with a Mac. The only thing I have not been able to do from LR, is print with the Black Ink Only options that are available in the Canon PS print plugin.
~ Jeff
http://artslidesboston.com
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Not sure if those who were still interested in the IPF8300 knew, but the promo on this printer is still going until they are out of stock.
Same discounts as last month.
$880 for trade-in printer (serial number needed only)
$1000 Mail-in via Canon's site
Any 36" or Wider Inkjet printer (excludes IPF8300)
Epson Stylus Pro 4000 Series (17" inkjet), Stylus Pro 7000 Series (24" inkjet),
HP Designjet Z2100, Z3100 and Z3200 (24" inkjet) printers.
Final price below $2000.
Feel free to contact us with any questions.
cwood@itsupplies.com
800-238-6050 x5583