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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: chiek on August 03, 2012, 06:01:49 AM

Title: apple thunderbolt to firewire800, It works with MFDB?
Post by: chiek on August 03, 2012, 06:01:49 AM
New apple thunderbolt to firewire800 (US$29)

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD464ZM/A?fnode=51 (http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD464ZM/A?fnode=51)

apple says it has 7W power. It can operate MFDB?

If It can, I will sell my MBP15 and buy lightest macbook air...
Title: Re: apple thunderbolt to firewire800, It works with MFDB?
Post by: dizzyg44 on August 03, 2012, 07:11:49 AM
I believe Leaf backs require 12w and P1 10w though P1's might work as you can run from battery while tethered.  No clue on Hassie and others
Title: Re: apple thunderbolt to firewire800, It works with MFDB?
Post by: Frank Doorhof on August 04, 2012, 02:22:17 AM
I ordered one for my retina MBP and credo 60 (leaf). It will probably run from the battery but if you want you can remind me in a week for results. It has a 5-7 day delivery time.
Title: Re: apple thunderbolt to firewire800, It works with MFDB?
Post by: Frank Doorhof on August 07, 2012, 01:27:34 PM
Just got the Apple Firewire to thunderbolt cable.
Good news for people with a digital back with internal battery... my Leaf Credo works flawless.... although it did not worked straight away, it works with slow loading battery or non loading.

Most important thing however is that it works. When working in the field I will have my loading off anyway.
Title: Re: apple thunderbolt to firewire800, It works with MFDB?
Post by: Doug Peterson on August 07, 2012, 03:15:27 PM
I have one of the adapters in hand and an Aptus II, P+, IQ, and Credo to test it with. I will be testing on a MacBook Air (only thunderbolt available today).

If anyone in NYC wants to stop by our office (35 West 35th) with their back/computer to do similar test just call my cell 740-707-2183.
Title: Re: apple thunderbolt to firewire800, It works with MFDB?
Post by: Doug Peterson on August 07, 2012, 04:09:27 PM
Good news for people with a digital back with internal battery... my Leaf Credo works flawless.... although it did not worked straight away, it works with slow loading battery or non loading.

Still testing, but initial results with a Credo 80 and IQ180 conforms to yours: works perfectly, but you must manually tell the back not to recharge battery.

Our first pass did not work on "slow" battery charging - only "off", but that could have been a snaffu. We'll run the test several more times to be sure.

Seems like it might be a smidgen slower. We'll do some speed testing to confirm/deny/quantify.
Title: Re: apple thunderbolt to firewire800, It works with MFDB?
Post by: Stefan.Steib on August 08, 2012, 03:24:15 PM
But this means for sure with a firewire repeater it will also work with older backs ?
Any Infos yet ?

regards
Stefan
Title: Re: apple thunderbolt to firewire800, It works with MFDB?
Post by: Doug Peterson on August 13, 2012, 12:30:58 PM
We have now posted our extensive preliminary review.

The executive summary reads: The results are preliminary but Phase One IQ, P+, and Mamiya Leaf Credo backs work with a Thunderbolt to Firewire adapter - but only after changing a power setting in the menu of the digital back. Also, there is some concern about extended rapid shooting, and the adapter is still quite new, so like any change to the core of your workflow, make sure to test extensively before using in production.

Naturally the executive summary is not comprehensive, so if it's important to your workflow I advise you read the entire article: Thunderbolt Adapter Testing of Phase One and Leaf Digital Backs (https://digitaltransitions.com/blog/dt-blog/thunderbolt-adapter-testing).
Title: Re: apple thunderbolt to firewire800, It works with MFDB?
Post by: Frits on August 15, 2012, 06:09:51 AM
FWIW: it works flawlessly for me.

- MacBook Air 13" (2011)
- Phase One P25+ back (on a Hasselblad H1)
- Thunderbolt to FireWire adapter (Apple), Moshi FW800 to FW400 adapter (both ordered from the online Apple store).
- Set tethered power source to "battery", as mentioned above.
Title: Re: apple thunderbolt to firewire800, It works with MFDB?
Post by: donkittle on August 15, 2012, 10:23:51 PM
Anyone able to test with an older Leaf back to confirm it won't work?  I have a Leaf Aptus II 22.
Title: Re: apple thunderbolt to firewire800, It works with MFDB?
Post by: photosoph on August 30, 2012, 03:59:15 PM
To bring this topic up again:
I would really be interested to hear if the adapter works with older backs. I would love to get the Retina MacBook Pro, but only if I can run it with my Aptus 22. So, if anyone has a chance to try it... PLEASE!
Firewire Repeater would be fine for me. Maybe it is even possible to split the firewire-cable up to feed the power separately?
Waiting for answers...
gunter
Title: Re: apple thunderbolt to firewire800, It works with MFDB?
Post by: lance_schad on August 30, 2012, 09:50:12 PM
To use Thunderbolt with Leaf Aptus Backs you will need to use a Powered Firewire Repeater similar to this:

(http://support.phaseone.com/KBFiles//2132/1/Setup.jpg)

Lance
Title: Re: apple thunderbolt to firewire800, It works with MFDB?
Post by: nazdravanul on August 31, 2012, 07:25:11 AM
What about Sinar backs ? Does anyone have any info on this ?
Title: Re: apple thunderbolt to firewire800, It works with MFDB?
Post by: archivue on September 10, 2012, 04:44:19 PM
i wonder if using of of this Hard Drive with main adapter and linking it to the MFDB will provide the power...

http://www.macway.com/fr/product/25840/storeva-aluice-mini-turbo-1-to-25-5400-trmin-usb-30-et-firewire-800.html (http://www.macway.com/fr/product/25840/storeva-aluice-mini-turbo-1-to-25-5400-trmin-usb-30-et-firewire-800.html)
Title: Re: apple thunderbolt to firewire800, It works with MFDB?
Post by: Dustbak on September 10, 2012, 04:58:20 PM
it works very well with the Hasselblad H4D. I have done several shoots sofar, some of them were 1000+ shots a day. No issues. actually I remember a discussion we had some years ago about being able to shoot continuously. It seems it is finally here... I can shoot and the images come in about as fast as I can shoot.
Title: Re: apple thunderbolt to firewire800, It works with MFDB?
Post by: Fritzer on September 11, 2012, 04:44:19 AM
Anyone able to test with an older Leaf back to confirm it won't work?  I have a Leaf Aptus II 22.


I'd be very interested to hear about that as well.
It seems like all reports so far are about DBs which use a battery (?) .

My Leaf is the old Aptus 75, no batteries possible for tethered shooting , FW400 .

Tethering works well with a MacBook Pro up to 5m FW cable length (not with a repeater , powered or not) .
Title: Re: apple thunderbolt to firewire800, It works with MFDB?
Post by: Fotophil on September 12, 2012, 11:45:05 PM
I am running my Aptus 5 back connected to a MacAir with a Thunderbolt F/W adapter and powered F/W hub.
Title: Re: apple thunderbolt to firewire800, It works with MFDB?
Post by: yaya on September 13, 2012, 01:50:11 AM
I'd be very interested to hear about that as well.
It seems like all reports so far are about DBs which use a battery (?) .

My Leaf is the old Aptus 75, no batteries possible for tethered shooting , FW400 .

Tethering works well with a MacBook Pro up to 5m FW cable length (not with a repeater , powered or not) .

You can use a powered FW800 repeater and a 400-800 cable with an older Aptus
Title: Re: apple thunderbolt to firewire800, It works with MFDB?
Post by: Fritzer on September 13, 2012, 10:19:25 AM
Thank you !

To summarize : the MBA with Thunderbolt adapter will only drive a DB if there is an additional power source, be it a battery in the back or a powered FW repeater/hub .
Correct ?
Title: Re: apple thunderbolt to firewire800, It works with MFDB?
Post by: yaya on September 13, 2012, 10:39:45 AM
Yes, the repeater can also be powered from a 12V battery
Title: Re: apple thunderbolt to firewire800, It works with MFDB?
Post by: Dinarius on September 15, 2012, 03:29:19 PM
Has anyone tried this adaptor with a Hasselblad Multi-Shot back? I use a H3Dll 39ms.

Thanks.

D.
Title: Re: apple thunderbolt to firewire800, It works with MFDB?
Post by: Dustbak on October 23, 2012, 03:18:34 AM
That is odd, I am not sure which firmware I use. I think it is the latest, the one that brings the autolevel and the settings display.

I do stick in the adapter first before I insert the firewire of the camera and wait a bit.

Does Phocus see the camera (bottom left in the image browser in Phocus)?

I have this error sometimes, also on other computers. It is most of the time a firewire error. Try another cable.
Title: Re: apple thunderbolt to firewire800, It works with MFDB?
Post by: Dustbak on October 23, 2012, 08:33:14 AM
The latest firmware updates comes in 3 steps (back, finder & body). you could download these from the Hasselblad website and update it via the computer that can connect to the body via Phocus.

Most issue people had with the latest firmware is that they forgot to update one of the parts ( I know I did).
Title: Re: apple thunderbolt to firewire800, It works with MFDB?
Post by: JerryReed on October 24, 2012, 03:36:36 PM
Yaya,

Where may a repeater that is battery powered be purchased?

Jerry Reed
Title: Re: apple thunderbolt to firewire800, It works with MFDB?
Post by: yaya on October 29, 2012, 07:38:24 AM
Yaya,

Where may a repeater that is battery powered be purchased?

Jerry Reed

The ones we stock (http://www.phaseone.com/Search/Article.aspx?articleid=2132&languageid=1) have a DC socket so they can be used with e.g. Quantum Turbo or similar batteries:
Title: Re: apple thunderbolt to firewire800, It works with MFDB?
Post by: Dustbak on October 29, 2012, 09:04:18 AM
That is weird. I use ML and the H4D60 without issues. Using it as I type this. Must be some fluke.