Luminous Landscape Forum
The Art of Photography => User Critiques => Topic started by: Abbye on May 18, 2012, 02:33:40 am
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after my post a few weeks back that sparked so much debate, i figured it was time for a second try.
i'm in the middle of my road trip down the west coast!! had a chance to take this shot today, and was so happy with the result! after dreaming and dreaming of this location i was worried i wouldn't be able to get the shots i'd hoped, but in the end i was satisfied (and totally soaked!!! and my legs felt like rubber because i was so terrified of falling down the whole, and my many graduated filters were starting to get blurry with salt residue...)
c&c please, as i continue down the coast, i'd like to make sure i don't waste my limited time around big waves
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5323/7219933834_e9db2b70b8.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/10633429@N00/7219933834/)
thors well (http://www.flickr.com/photos/10633429@N00/7219933834/) by hippy_henna (http://www.flickr.com/people/10633429@N00/), on Flickr
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abbye
the picture is nice very nice and will please those who shoot canyons but not those who shoot pale rocks and dry gulches a la western the post is written in text-speak or should that be text-write and calling upon the child in me i can see that your english is fine even though you choose to try and disguise the fact and so it become illegible and unintelligible to all but those under sixteen do you see the problem
;-)
rob c
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I have never cared for this treatment of water, not in waterfalls and not here for this hole. With a different way of treating the water, I'd like this. Have fun on the west coast. We just made that drive back in January; great photographic opportunities.
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abbye
the picture is nice very nice and will please those who shoot canyons but not those who shoot pale rocks and dry gulches a la western the post is written in text-speak or should that be text-write and calling upon the child in me i can see that your english is fine even though you choose to try and disguise the fact and so it become illegible and unintelligible to all but those under sixteen do you see the problem
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rob c
hahahahaha it took me like 20 minutes to figure out what you were trying to say, would you prefer that i use better grammar when posting?
Shutterpup, by treatment of the water do you mean the longer exposure?
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First off, may I suggest you return your camera or at least send it for repair, as every shot you posted so far has uneven horizon ;) Or, perhaps, you are a pilot? I ask because my step-father was one and he could not hang a horizontal picture on the wall if his life depended on it.
As for the rest, I like the lower 2/3 of the image. The upper 1/3 belongs to my list of cliches that annoy me visually (e.g., excessive star trails, smudged clouds, etc.). While I do not mind the milky-water effect in a number of cases, and often enjoy it, smudged clouds are a different story. I know one causes the other, but in this era of stitched shots, I would combine static-clouds top with a long-exposure bottom.
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hahahahaha it took me like 20 minutes to figure out what you were trying to say, would you prefer that i use better grammar when posting?
Shutterpup, by treatment of the water do you mean the longer exposure?
I'm referring to the sheeting, milky effect of the water that is created at slower shutter speeds.
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hahahahaha it took me like 20 minutes to figure out what you were trying to say, would you prefer that i use better grammar when posting?Shutterpup, by treatment of the water do you mean the longer exposure?
I'd settle for the proper use of capital letters. I'm sure you know how to make the most of them, both for your own dignity and the ease of reading that it will bestow upon your material. Leave the nonsense to the kids and pray that they actually do know better and that it isn't terminal negative affectation that will lead to the eventual atrophy of their language skills.
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Rob C
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A little punctuation might help too.
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Well, I'm sure Abbye didn't expect the English Inquisition!
For members of the Academie Anglais, here is grammatician forum:
http://www.englishclub.com/esl-forums/viewforum.php?f=199
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Compositionaly it works for me- looks overexposed though in the foreground.
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Lots of good elements here. The clouds look to have moved faster than the water, a little jarring.
Scott
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Nice, a great location (I've shot there before too) and a good shot that could be better if you addressed it more carefully in post processing.
First, you need to balance the foreground exposure, the lower third needs to be darkened by almost a full stop. I'd reign in the highlights a bit too, it looks very contrasty - almost like you shot the foreground an hour or two earlier than you shot the sky. The light on the well looks more top heavy and direct sunlight, so if you want it to feel in sync with the background then you need to back off the contrast in the foreground and even out the exposure across the foreground, and balance the color temperature so that it looks more like the light source really is coming from the sun in the background (end of the day warm glow).
The other thing I would so is to work on the background/sky so that it emphasizes the light coming between the clouds more. The rest of the sky can be a little darker and I'd dodge out the sunlight peeking between the clouds.
Great shot with lots of potential, keep at it!
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Lots of good elements here. The clouds look to have moved faster than the water, a little jarring.
Scott
I actually like this aspect of it, though I agree with others who have suggested darkening the foreground a little. Of course, the horizon needs to be level, too (can make a very big difference).
I don't mind the water in that style at all - I actually like it in a lot of shots and in this case, as noted above, the fact that the clouds appear "faster" than the water is intriguing and interesting to me - as Scott says a little jarring, but that works for me in this shot.
As for the language? Pffft, dropping capitals isn't my style but I can't say that it made it in anyway difficult to read, and neither was it in any way in "text-speak" unless you count the "c&c" shorthand.
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I actually like this aspect of it, though I agree with others who have suggested darkening the foreground a little. Of course, the horizon needs to be level, too (can make a very big difference).
I don't mind the water in that style at all - I actually like it in a lot of shots and in this case, as noted above, the fact that the clouds appear "faster" than the water is intriguing and interesting to me - as Scott says a little jarring, but that works for me in this shot.
As for the language? Pffft, dropping capitals isn't my style but I can't say that it made it in anyway difficult to read, and neither was it in any way in "text-speak" unless you count the "c&c" shorthand.
eats shoots leaves
Make sense of that, then, if you enjoy such things.
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Rob C
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It's usually "eats shoots and leaves", or a variation "eats roots and leaves". Yes, punctuation is important. A funny one I saw recently was "stop clubbing, baby seals" (along with a little bit of Photoshop work which I'm sure you can imagine).
But the OP's piece was entirely readable and the lack of capitalisation did little to inhibit my ability to comprehend it. Your reply, in an attempt to make some sort of unceccesary point, went to much further extremes than the OP and then you mislabelled it as "text-speak" which would have been more along the lines of, "rob r u 2 l33t r u a h4x00r, lol, wtf".
bibicul8r (invented long before texting)
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It's usually "eats shoots and leaves", or a variation "eats roots and leaves". Yes, punctuation is important. A funny one I saw recently was "stop clubbing, baby seals" (along with a little bit of Photoshop work which I'm sure you can imagine).
But the OP's piece was entirely readable and the lack of capitalisation did little to inhibit my ability to comprehend it. Your reply, in an attempt to make some sort of unceccesary point, went to much further extremes than the OP and then you mislabelled it as "text-speak" which would have been more along the lines of, "rob r u 2 l33t r u a h4x00r, lol, wtf".
bibicul8r (invented long before texting)
To which I can only add:
1. glad to see you were paying close attention;
2. no idea what the line of code means. Absolutely no idea.
Must be an age thing. Most things turn out to be, in one way or another.
;-(
Rob C
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Bye Bye See You Later
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Bye Bye See You Later
+1
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Rob C
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... no idea what the line of code means. Absolutely no idea...
bibicul8r = bi bi c u l8r = bye bye see you later
rob r u 2 l33t r u a h4x00r = Rob, are you too elite, are you a hacker?
Of course, there is always something lost in translation ;)
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bibicul8r = bi bi c u l8r = bye bye see you later
rob r u 2 l33t r u a h4x00r = Rob, are you too elite, are you a hacker?
Of course, there is always something lost in translation ;)
Now I understand, more than ever, the beauty of Standard English!
I simply can't make out how h4x400r translates into hacker! Hacker - moi, with my dislike/distrust/ignorance/fear of computers and my dyslexis fingers (just the fingers - I think) on the keyboard!
Rob C
LOL (Laughs out loud?)
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Age might come into it, but bibcul8r originated from telex operators before I was an adult (I'm 42), and I was never a telex operator.
The l33t sp34k has been around for over a decade and, again, I was never a l33t h4x00r d00d, but it doesn't take much to figure it out either way - you just have to keep your eyes and mind a little open. What's more difficult is when words are assigned new meanings, but context is usually enough (at least after a few references).
Point being, the OP's text was hardly worth commentary when what was asked of us was to comment on the image.
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Age might come into it, but bibcul8r originated from telex operators before I was an adult (I'm 42), and I was never a telex operator.
The l33t sp34k has been around for over a decade and, again, I was never a l33t h4x00r d00d, but it doesn't take much to figure it out either way - you just have to keep your eyes and mind a little open. What's more difficult is when words are assigned new meanings, but context is usually enough (at least after a few references).
Point being, the OP's text was hardly worth commentary when what was asked of us was to comment on the image.
Other point being, this is LuLa: the obvious is seldom enough but the over-cryptic also falls flat on its fanny. Difficult but rewarding place to navigate as long as it comes in a proper language form.
;-)
Rob C
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ROTFL
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Other point being, this is LuLa: the obvious is seldom enough but the over-cryptic also falls flat on its fanny. Difficult but rewarding place to navigate as long as it comes in a proper language form.
Then try this for obvious, difficult but rewarding:
7H15 M355463 53RV35 70 PR0V3 H0W 0UR M1ND5 C4N
D0 4M4Z1N6 7H1N65! 1MPR3551V3 7H1N65!
1N 7H3 B361NN1NG 17 W45 H4RD BU7 N0W, 0N 7H15 L1N3
Y0UR M1ND 15 R34D1N6 17 4U70M471C411Y
W17H 0UT 3V3N 7H1NK1N6 4B0U7 17
;)
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Total random sidebar, and a bit of a shameless self promoting plug, although it is on topic for this thread.... :)
For reasons unknown to me, my image of Thor's well from a couple years ago made it to the top ten/front page of reddit.com in the Pics category this morning. It's received a couple thousand views in a few short hours. Strange how the internet works!
http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/
http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/tz4u5/thors_well_the_sight_photo_capture_and_name_are/
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Well deserved.
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Then try this for obvious, difficult but rewarding:
7H15 M355463 53RV35 70 PR0V3 H0W 0UR M1ND5 C4N
D0 4M4Z1N6 7H1N65! 1MPR3551V3 7H1N65!
1N 7H3 B361NN1NG 17 W45 H4RD BU7 N0W, 0N 7H15 L1N3
Y0UR M1ND 15 R34D1N6 17 4U70M471C411Y
W17H 0UT 3V3N 7H1NK1N6 4B0U7 17
;)
Scary stuff!
Rob C
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Scary stuff!
Maybe, but I am sure you can read it quite easily, if only after the first couple of words.
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Then try this for obvious, difficult but rewarding...
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....and intriguing. Do you have any links to an explanation of how the mind does it?
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....and intriguing. Do you have any links to an explanation of how the mind does it?
No, but I suspect it has a lot to do with Gestalt laws of perception (i.e., proximity, similarity, continuity, closure).
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It's related to another neat trick wehre in you can aslo raed qitue esaliy so lnog as the frsit and lsat ltetres are kpet the smae.
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Total random sidebar, and a bit of a shameless self promoting plug, although it is on topic for this thread.... :)
For reasons unknown to me, my image of Thor's well from a couple years ago made it to the top ten/front page of reddit.com in the Pics category this morning. It's received a couple thousand views in a few short hours. Strange how the internet works!
http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/
http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/tz4u5/thors_well_the_sight_photo_capture_and_name_are/
Hey Sheldon, so funny.
I actually e-mailed you on flickr to find out where this spot was and you gave great directions, it's cool to see you here on the forum.
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Maybe, but I am sure you can read it quite easily, if only after the first couple of words.
I know, that's what's scary: I don't understand why it suddenly flashes into a readable form.
Rob C
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,511177,00.html
http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/people/matt.davis/cmabridge/
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Hey Sheldon, so funny.
I actually e-mailed you on flickr to find out where this spot was and you gave great directions, it's cool to see you here on the forum.
Haha, small world! Glad you were able to find it. :)
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I know, that's what's scary: I don't understand why it suddenly flashes into a readable form.
Rob C
I agree, Rob. Absolutely scary. How quickly the mind adapts.