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Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Adobe Lightroom Q&A => Topic started by: Rhossydd on April 24, 2012, 06:10:02 am
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Just posted to Adobe's feature requests; http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/lightroom_5_feature_requests
All would useful and productive to me, YMMV, but I think it is all achievable and the expectations are realistic. Hopefully someone at Adobe will listen.
General
A global history option;
A list of what files have recently been written to (edited/exported) and in which module.
Library;
This module is almost perfect but there are two areas where significant improvements can be made;
Keywording:-
1. Significantly increasing the number of the keyword suggestion options (buttons).
2. Increasing the number of keywords allowable in a set and increasing the number of buttons to accommodate this.
3. Having the option of a third keywording panel. This would allow suggestions/recent/sets to all be easily accessible.
Library filter:-
Allowing multiple search criteria within the catalogue (in the same style as creating a smart collection).
eg must contain keyword “England” AND keyword “garden”, but NOT contain “lawn”
Develop module
Local adjustments:-
Adjustment Brush;
Move “show selected mask overlay” option to mask control drop down box. (like ACR)
Add buttons to change overlay colour (maybe two pre-configured options). (like ACR)
Add HSL range of options.
Gradient Mask;
Add overlay provision as above.
Add HSL options.
It would also be nice to partially erase areas of the mask using the adjustment brush.
History
Add an indication of where in the history a “before” state is being shown from. (Emboldening the text of the state or an added asterisk would help this)
Book module
This absolutely needs the ability to work without templates, custom layout and custom sizes.
The ability to place text boxes freely anywhere on the page.
Print
The ability to place text boxes freely anywhere on the page.
Paul
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You'll get more traction there if you post the suggestions individually, not as a pot pourri, or by adding your comments to existing suggestions (such as re book sizes).
re Library filter - isn't this done by setting multiple columns to keywords?
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re Library filter - isn't this done by setting multiple columns to keywords?
It can be done that way, up to a point. But it only allows four criteria, doesn't allow exclusions and assumes you can easily find the terms you need within the keyword hierarchy.
Just making it work the same way as setting a smart collection criteria strikes me as an easier and more versatile approach.
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Four criteria? You know you can add extra columns? You can also display Attributes and Text (shift click the words) and type in exclusions or set the exclusion by selecting others. Granted, the slightly-differing functionality in SCs and the Filter panel need some work.
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Granted, the slightly-differing functionality in SCs and the Filter panel need some work.
I think that's the core point here.
Keeping things simple and using the same dialogues when doing the same tasks in different places makes the program better.
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I was pleased to see my most wanted feature (PS like clone, healing and content aware brushes) is number one on the request list.
http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/ideas/popular
I'd hope items higher on that list have a better chance of happening. It seems the best way to garner support, as suggested above, is to post simple requests, rather than a long list.
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Mine is a simple one - the ability for an exported JPEG to inherit the Collection membership of its 'parent'.
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1. A note field, much like John Beardy's BigNote plugin. It is very useful do have an area outside of the caption to store information.
2. Keyword Templates (example: if I keyword an image with a certain waterfall, it also adds keywords in the template that may exist in a different part of the keyword hierarchy) That would be really useful for things you shoot frequently.
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I'd vote for those John. Make sure you post them on the official request page.
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I'd vote for those John. Make sure you post them on the official request page.
done, along with one more actually
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The ability to save contact sheets as tifs, not just pdf's.
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how about seeing/viewing PDF's? (I don't see them). Those that shoot for magazines use PDFx files and it would be nice to see them.
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Using dual screens is GREAT, and when working in Library, I love having the second screen show the larger image as the main screen has all the thumbnails.
In Dev mode it is OK to have both, but not so important. I notice it runs slower when both screens are used(2x 30" LCD screens). . It also adjusts/refreshes the second screen first, then the main Dev screen, which also slows things down.
I like having the "Grid" on the second screen while in Dev mode, but since I can't remove the thumbnails from the bottom of the main screen, it's redundant to have it on the second screen.
I suggest making a Preference Option to "Minimize the second screen when switching to DEVELOP mode".
This would simply be an option so you don't have to minimize and max/enable every time you switch between Lib and Dev modes.
Besides I like having another app on that screen.
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As described on a previous post (http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?topic=66025.0), I would like to see an "Archive" module or sub-module.
I envision this as a way to de-clutter my catalogue of all the unrated photos or photos that I no longer need at my finger tips (old client photos or photos from years past) that I don't want to delete.
It would be great if the "archived" photos still appeared as previews in the correct folder alongside their locally stored siblings, but marked with a stylized "A" to indicate that they are not on a local disk, but archived on a DVD, external HD perhaps, or other long-term storage media.
This would be especially helpful for those of us making extensive use of laptops. Our catalogue, current photos and any other frequently used photos could be kept locally, with all others archived externally (in a parallel file structure) with LR keeping track of those locations.
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Sounds good.
Not on top of my list, but surely a helpful feature for some users. What LR has may not be as helpful as you explain but, I LR somehow does this with a "?" in the file and folders, no? Like when they are missing.
I would never feel happy with LR on a laptop...then again, my laptops are 32bit capped at 4GB ram, and would cry using LR with it.
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As described on a previous post (http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?topic=66025.0), I would like to see an "Archive" module or sub-module.
I envision this as a way to de-clutter my catalogue of all the unrated photos or photos that I no longer need at my finger tips (old client photos or photos from years past) that I don't want to delete.
It would be great if the "archived" photos still appeared as previews in the correct folder alongside their locally stored siblings, but marked with a stylized "A" to indicate that they are not on a local disk, but archived on a DVD, external HD perhaps, or other long-term storage media.
This would be especially helpful for those of us making extensive use of laptops. Our catalogue, current photos and any other frequently used photos could be kept locally, with all others archived externally (in a parallel file structure) with LR keeping track of those locations.
I agree this would be a useful feature, and not that hard to implement I wouldn't think. It would be great for laptop users such as yourself, and even somewhat useful for someone having hundreds of thousands of images on a desktop set up.
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-- ref archive feature -
In a way, I think it's a little too narrow a request and needs recasting to meet other common reasons for requests to hide pictures (eg pics you don't want the kids to see).
I'd envisage it as a variation on the Smart Collection or on the Library Filter Preset. You would enter criteria such as "rating = 0 and edited > 300 days ago" or "keywords contains nudes", "keywords contains archived", "folder contains archive". Any pictures that meet the criteria would be hidden from view until you switch into a "show hidden files" mode. Effectively you're duplicating the lock mode and making it persistent.
You'd have to deal with oddities like counts on folders, smart collections and keywords - display the total number or just the visible items? What if the image is used in a Saved Book? That's just two that spring to mind, and there would be a slew of "Lightroom ate my granny" cries from dumbos who accidentally hide all their photos. Certainly not impossible to resolve, these details add to the cost of developing it. And given Adobe aren't so sure-footed outside Develop, do you expect they would allocate (or have) resources for this?
John
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Print module identity plate location could do with some sort of co-ordinate control even a simple alignment and offset would suffice to ensure accurate placement when using variable text as it's a bit hit and miss when placing captions on images.
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Since we are sharing ideas....
For dual screen users...
I'm getting tired of the same step of opening the second screen in Library mode, then minimizing for Dev mode, and repeat each time I go through the modes.
As I notice LR applies adjustments you make to the second screen first, then the main screen, which is odd, and having dual screens in use while in Develop mode slows down editing by an extra second or so.
I suggest making a Preference Option for Dual screen users to: "Minimize the second screen when switching to DEVELOP mode".
This is just to give users the option to auto minimize from Library to Dev, and when you switch back to Library, second screen is back up.
Simply having the option to automate the motions.
In Library mode it is super useful for the second screen. But not so needed in Develop mode. Mainly in Dev mode there already is the Filmstrip on the bottom.
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Here is one that seems to be dear to many people's hearts, yet has been tagged "not a problem". It has to do with keyword behavior, specifically the behavior of synonyms. I'll let you read the thread for the details.
http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/keyword_options_no_longer_available_in_lr4
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Of course, it's tagged that way because it's a bug that Adobe fixed.
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Of course, it's tagged that way because it's a bug that Adobe fixed.
Yes, but I think that depends on your perspective of "bug". In this case many of us considered it a very useful bug.
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A bug is the program not working as it was designed, and there were complaints about that failure. That said, what that thread shows is that people were exploiting this loophole because they genuinely need ways to group and organize keywords. Meeting those needs, not reintroducing the bug, is the way forward and the thread should really be marked as Under Consideration.
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Agreed. I think it would be relatively easy to add a keyword "type" that allows you to choose an created keyword as "hierarchy" that automatically doesn't export, but does allow its synonyms to export. Either that or take it back where it was, but leave the options enabled after you choose to not export the keyword.
I can see the privacy issue, although even before it seemed pretty clear to me what would happen when you chose "do not export", since "export synonyms" remained checked.
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I'd like to see an end to all "automated" responses to the mouse - for example, simply moving the pointer near the bottom of the screen (without clicking) pops up the filmstrip, which then of course obscures the item I actually wanted to click.
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I'd like to see an end to all "automated" responses to the mouse - for example, simply moving the pointer near the bottom of the screen (without clicking) pops up the filmstrip, which then of course obscures the item I actually wanted to click.
You can set that in lightroom options and choose to have it not happen automatically. Then you will have to click the triangle at the bottom and the left and right panels to open or close the panel.
Just right click one of the triangles to get a context menu, and choose which behavior you want.
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Right click on the triangle and select "manual." Done.
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I found Adobe videos very helpful when I got started with LR...Wish they would have one on Keyword managing in specific, or in detail.
I have yet to master it. Wish I could make it like folders. Title a folder and have x,x,x,x,x keywords and make them visible so we can apply a folder then see and copy from other folders that may apply. Anyway, for me it looks confusing a bit. I end up retyping often. :-(
I bet Michael's tutorials for LR3 would go over this in detail , no? I wonder if the fix would alter any explanations in tutorials.
I have other tutorial from Michael, and they are SUPER.
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Rather SURPRISED there is no option to see Color Space & Bit in LR4...Specially with Proofing a new feature.
I would like to see at least Color Space a View Option in the Library.
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"I found Adobe videos very helpful when I got started with LR...Wish they would have one on Keyword managing in specific, or in detail.
I have yet to master it. Wish I could make it like folders. Title a folder and have x,x,x,x,x keywords and make them visible so we can apply a folder then see and copy from other folders that may apply. Anyway, for me it looks confusing a bit. I end up retyping often. :-(
I bet Michael's tutorials for LR3 would go over this in detail , no? I wonder if the fix would alter any explanations in tutorials.
I have other tutorial from Michael, and they are SUPER."
Phil: Have you watched the L-L Guide to Asset Management - Where the #%*! are my Pictures? tutorial? It goes ove everything you'll ever need---or maybe even want to know---about keywording in LR. Not sure if I understand what you want to do, but you can already create top level keywords with sub-level keywords inside. You can easily drag keywords between folders. It seems to me this accomplishes the same thing that folders would.
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I would like to see at least Color Space a View Option in the Library.
Color space of the output? If it's RGB you already can. If you are talking about the color space of the original? Why...there's only two things you can do with an image that is not raw but in another color space, either render it with LR adjustments or output the original. In either case, the original color space is irrelevant.
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No David, yet to check that out...but I have read the DAM book, and with pacing myself and sucking up some patients, I will go over the keyword area with attention. L-L vids are the way to go!
Schewe...Exactly...BUT...I often shoot a 16bit RGB, but the publishers want CMYK, so I keep a hi res version, and a 8bit CMYK file which at the final is in PDF to be sent off....
One of the reasons I do this is because a 8bit file is much faster to work on vs a 16bit, and some features are not available in 16bit(let alone CMYK/another issue).
So my issue is that I need to continue editing or make changes to the 8bit CMYK file, and need to know which file is the 16bit vs the 8bit CMYK. If LR had this info, I wouldn't open the wrong file. The CMYK gets larger as I add text and logo of retailers and such, and hard to tell which is the version I need.
on another note...Wish we could see even a low res PDF files?!...I'd even be happy with a place holder with just file names..., just knowing there is a PDF in a folder helps.
(I know my list is growing :-)
So I know you make loads of work that goes to press...wouldn't you love to at least see which is 8 vs 16 RGB/CMYK....or see that a PDF is residing in that folder?
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So I know you make loads of work that goes to press...wouldn't you love to at least see which is 8 vs 16 RGB/CMYK....or see that a PDF is residing in that folder?
No, I don't use LR for "consumable files", only original raws and rendered RGB 16-bit masters. I would never try to manage CMYK files in LR, what's the point? You can't do anything to CMYYK files and keep them CMYK...Compared to originals and rendered RGB masters, anything else is very specifically targeted consumable "output" (read disposable) files. If I need new files I go back to my rendered RGB master and re-purpose...it ain't hard to export the RGB and apply a droplet to convert to CMYK as an action...although truth be told, I do a lot of extra work when converting images to CMYK for books or other publishing requirements–and that's done in Photoshop, not Lightroom (wrong tool).
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What do you use to manage them?
I don't see how managing a CMYK is different than an RGB file. Your not gonna do anything to it..Just see that it is what it is and launch the edit into PS. With the same respect do pros really edit shawdy JPEGS in LR and use it? You can, but would you? These are mostly PSD files that will go to InDesign and out to PDF.
The reason to seeing the bit 8 vs 16 is to have those PSD files distinguished to launch the needed file, or app.
I was hoping LR would be my manager as it does just about all as ACDSee Pro(knowingly giving up RAW process view), (Media Pro crashes and has issues with certain files. Besides not seeing LR process)....You see all the software I've purchased? I would like to simplify things if I can.
I was against using LR all the way up to LR3, because I never liked the idea of 1 program doing very different things together as 1 (Library/Dev),(and I greatly appreciate ACR-PS for this). Frankly I still don't. But until some TRUE MANAGER gets license to view LR and C1 raw files, this is it). So I used ACDSee which is OK at best, but crashes and not a mature product for managing , but MUCH more stable and more flexable than Bridge. I really liked it, as for some time it was doing things that others didn't).
The point is we have LR playing manager...is it a sw for the enthusiast or for the "Fine Art" photographer/home archival printer/book maker? What happens to studio production?
(This is where C1 stays alive, as it doesn't really try and manage, still like a Windows File Manager). Makes a mess by writing in each folder, but no synching, no "library/cache"
Now LR is doing great things. Since LR3.2, I've been working and learning, and having ACDSee along side to pick up the slack as a manager... and I'm adapting to it, but it leaves me hanging with production work. What do you recommend? And how vested should one be to LR as a "image" manager?
Note: The other files I speak of are directly Adobe products. How hard is it to toss a thumbnail of a PDF or even an InDesign preview to reference a file exists in a folder? How hard is it to link other Adobe Apps as the Edit program other than PS?(we have 3rd party filters and apps for this already!) For instance you want to make a PDF out of a PSD for a magazine or any press. You should be able to directly place it into Indesign Via LR and output the PDF. Now I have to launch PS and then move the layers over. Or within InDesign place the file via Explorer. Maybe LR will eventually have 2 versions...LR-Standard, and LR LibraryPro?
I actually give Microsoft some credit for making Windows Explorer more friendly with images in Win7, and in a pinch always a good go-to to see whats in the folders. Great that LR has this easily a rightclick away.
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If you are talking about the color space of the original? Why...there's only two things you can do with an image that is not raw but in another color space, either render it with LR adjustments or output the original. In either case, the original color space is irrelevant.
Actually I’d love if LR could build smart collections based on the rendered image’s color space. The metadata for this exists, I just can’t search for it. It be useful for me to find all sRGB versus Adobe RGB rendered images as an example. I’m actually not sure why we can’t search for existing metadata like this.
In the meantime, I accomplish this using a Mac utility called Hazel that automatically finds all the images by this metadata, then colors a label based on the color space (sRGB is blue, Adobe RGB is green etc).
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Thank you!!
...and a cool little product (Hazel)...Too bad it is MAC only. But WAIT!!
looks like there is one for the PC...
http://lifehacker.com/341950/belvedere-automates-your-self+cleaning-pc
"Belvedere is a Windows knock-off of the Mac-only Hazel, and Gina has already guided you through setting up a self-cleaning Mac with Hazel, so for a few good ideas for how you might get started with Belvedere, check out her guide. Belvedere's not quite up to par with Hazel yet, but in time I'm hoping to implement as many of Hazel's features as I can for Windows users."