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Title: Lu-La CS6 Guide
Post by: Chris Sanderson on April 03, 2012, 04:20:22 PM
Michael Jeff & I have debated doing an Advanced Guide to Photoshop CS6 but have not yet decided to proceed with one.

Most of my efforts have gone into Camera to Print & Screen and Lightroom tutorials.

We did not do anything for CS5 except within those tutorials.

Our Guides to Raw Processing in CS3 & 4 have had remarkably little traction since their release - so we are quite leery about dedicating resources to a Guide to PS CS6 - especially one which might cover the same ground as Lightroom. However there is still a lot that can only be done in Photoshop

Would you be interested in a Guide to Advanced Techniques in Photoshop CS6? A Guide to the techniques that can only be achieved in Photoshop.
Title: Re: Lu-La CS6 Guide
Post by: W.T. Jones on April 04, 2012, 05:16:04 AM
Chris,

I cannot speak for the majority, nor should I. However, I think before you spend too much time on that, I would personally like to see the Video tutorials finished.

While I use photoshop for some things, LR is my go to image editing tool. I know little of how Photoshop really works and well done video by Jeff & Mike would be most welcome & useful to me.I would certainly buy it if priced reasonable. I know the content will be good from experience.

Cheers
Title: Re: Lu-La CS6 Guide
Post by: Tony Jay on April 04, 2012, 05:44:54 AM
IMHO an advanced "nuts and bolts" tutorial on PS6 would be a winner.

I have several really helpful books on CS5 (and earlier) and am able to internalize this stuff well.
However, I have been really surprised by just how useful the realtime "explain by example" method used in the LuLa tutorials have been to me.
The CPS tutorial has been the magnum opus for me.
The multimedia-multimodal approach has been a revelation.
With Michael and Jeff playing off their different techniques and philosophies in a sort of "dynamic opposition" this improves the learning experience immeasurably since one sees played out in real time possibly several contrasting approaches to solving particular problems.

In summary I would really like this proposal to become a real project.

Kind Regards

Tony Jay
Title: Re: Lu-La CS6 Guide
Post by: Josh-H on April 04, 2012, 05:45:44 AM
Im keen for a CS6 tutorial.

But.. I'd like to see the remainder of the *cough* long overdue video journals completed for those who purchased subscriptions in advance. Im a patient person.. but (isn't there always a but!) Im starting to feel like the next one isn't coming.... Just an observation. ::)
Title: Re: Lu-La CS6 Guide
Post by: Robert-Peter Westphal on April 04, 2012, 06:31:16 AM
Hi Chris,

but please, keep in mind before starting a new project ( which I'm also really heavily interested in !), that we all are waiting to see the next LLVJ ( I think 20 or 21) !

( or did I miss the information that is has been buried in complete ) ?

Best wishes

Robert
Title: Re: Lu-La CS6 Guide
Post by: Gordon Buck on April 04, 2012, 07:20:14 AM
The next LLVJ please.
Title: Re: Lu-La CS6 Guide
Post by: mburke on April 04, 2012, 07:27:24 AM
Wonderful idea. I would like to see it be from the photographer's perspective. I am a NAPP member and most of their stuff is for the graphic artist. It would be nice to see some real life workflows. I really don't need 30 layers on my photos. It would be nice to learn how to use the program as a photographer from download, Bridge, raw, composite, hdr, layers, blending, styles, frames, printing, save for web, etc.

Your videos are very helpful and entertaining. Great idea.

Mike
Title: Re: Lu-La CS6 Guide
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on April 04, 2012, 09:02:41 AM
More reasons to have Chris cloned.
Title: Re: Lu-La CS6 Guide
Post by: JeanMichel on April 04, 2012, 01:43:49 PM
Hi,
I'm still using the CS4 Suite. Now that I use LR I do not use PS anywhere as often as before when it was Bridge-ACR-PS. I will probably upgrade to CS6 primarily to stay current with InDesign, so I would welcome a Luminous Landscape tutorial on PS6.
I find that all your tutorial are very good and offer excellent value.
Jean-Michel
Title: Re: Lu-La CS6 Guide
Post by: Daniel Salazar on April 04, 2012, 01:53:05 PM
my idea of asking for this tutorial, is because until now, I was no where able to learn so much, as I've done from Michael and Jeff, both are amazing. Just the knowledge Jeff has regarding this, makes me wish there was something about it. I'm also a NAPP member, however the way the show you, is like ".....grab this and make a line..."???, I want to know why this tool exist and what could do. I mean, I want to think and learn to do it by myself, I don't want to learn a recipe.
Cheers,
Daniel
Title: Re: Lu-La CS6 Guide
Post by: Chris Sanderson on April 04, 2012, 04:02:02 PM
...keep in mind before starting a new project ( which I'm also really heavily interested in !), that we all are waiting to see the next LLVJ ( I think 20 or 21) !
( or did I miss the information that is has been buried in complete ) ?

 :D - not the first time I have been told that! But I'm peddling as fast as I can.

IF we do anything on PS/CS6, it will be after the completion of the LR tutorial

(quietly,  ::)  my preference is to get back to the VJs)
Title: Re: Lu-La CS6 Guide
Post by: Robert-Peter Westphal on April 04, 2012, 04:11:11 PM
[...]
(quietly,  ::)  my preference is to get back to the VJs)

That's more than great news !

Many thanks for being that honest to us !

Robert

Title: Re: Lu-La CS6 Guide
Post by: sms60 on April 09, 2012, 03:07:56 PM
"Our Guides to Raw Processing in CS3 & 4 have had remarkably little traction since their release - so we are quite leery about dedicating resources to a Guide to PS CS6 - especially one which might cover the same ground as Lightroom."

My two cents is that your most successful productions are those that are relatively unique to LL.  "Camera to Print" and "Where are My Pictures" are examples of videos for which there are not many equivalent products, and for which your tutorial style is well suited.  Your Lightroom Guides face more competition from some high quality "All Screenshot with Voiceover" tutorials, but you still have some differentiation based on a unique presentation format and your long history with the Adobe engineers.  The Raw Processing tutorials don't really fit that description, and I guess I am not surprised that they have fared less well.

The first challenge in producing a tutorial on Photoshop itself is deciding what to cover.  If you make it a straight PS photo editing workflow tutorial, I think you will have a limited market similar to the Raw Processing videos.  If you try to cover more sophisticated editing techniques how do you decide which ones?  And, there are many more alternative sources for those kind of editing tutorials, including very high quality videos from Adobe, Photoshop News, and various other independent sites.  When I am trying to figure out how to perform a task or accomplish a specific effect in Photoshop, a simple Google search usually finds more than one good, clear, free explanation.

For what it is worth I have the Print, Asset Management and Lightroom videos, and all of the LLVJs.  I did not buy the Raw Processing and would not by a Photoshop series.  I would, however, look forward to seeing select sophisticated PS techniques covered in segments in LLVJs -- but the Journals would have to be released on a much more frequent and predictable timetable for that to take hold.   

Only you all can decide whether the return on sales of LL Video Journals justifies your investment of time and resources, or whether there are enough interesting topics to fill journals on a frequent basis.  Either way I would not count on a Photoshop series to have the same reception as your Print, Management and Lightroom productions. 

Sean Sullivan
Title: Re: Lu-La CS6 Guide
Post by: Robert-Peter Westphal on April 09, 2012, 03:59:52 PM
HI,

beside my wish concerning the LLVJ, why not doing a video which shows the complete developing of some example 15-20 pictures using both Lr4 and CS6, similiar you did in from camera to print and screen.

Each episode could show some specialities of CS6 or Lr4 and how these two programs interact, so both CS6 and Lr4 customer could be interested in these video.

Robert
Title: Re: Lu-La CS6 Guide
Post by: jeremyrh on April 14, 2012, 09:32:55 AM
Another vote for giving priority to the LLVJ. I particularly enjoy the travel episodes, seeing how the place looks "live" and then how it was captured in still photos. The Bangladesh one, for example, made me consider a trip to a place I had never in a million years considered visting.
Title: Re: Lu-La CS6 Guide
Post by: bjornaagedk on April 14, 2012, 11:22:03 AM
I'm also giving my vote for more LLVJ's. We have seen many excellent interviews with exciting people in the business. This is to me the most interesting product from LL, much more than the technical stuff.
Title: Re: Lu-La CS6 Guide
Post by: kaelaria on April 15, 2012, 01:00:35 AM
The next LLVJ please.

100% YES.  I'm afraid we've seen the last of the fabulous series though :(
Title: Re: Lu-La CS6 Guide
Post by: ErikKaffehr on April 15, 2012, 02:25:44 AM
Chris,

It is very well possible that I would buy a Lu-La CS6 Guide, but I'm not sure. I'm no big user of Photoshop, the main reason is that I'm much in favor of the parametric workflow. Would PS be even better integrated in LR, like being to able to use parametric edits in PS from Lightroom without converting to TIFF/PSD I may have much more interest in using Photoshop.

For me, the Reichmann & Schewe show is real entertainment. So it is very well possible I would buy it for the entertainment value. It would also be an excellent way to learn weather or not CS6 is a worthy upgrade.

Actually, I'd say that it would be an excellent idea for Adobe to sell a Lightroom Edition of PS at a reduced price.

Another view I may have is that a video about doing some advanced tricks in PS may be attractive. Focusing on the stuff that cannot be done in Lightroom.

Best regards
Erik

Ps. OK, if you make that video with Michael, Jeff and them eminent Mr. Sanderson, I promise I'll buy it, so long it is at a reasonable price.
Title: Re: Lu-La CS6 Guide
Post by: Chris Sanderson on April 15, 2012, 09:50:38 AM
...I'm afraid we've seen the last of the fabulous series though :(

Nope!
Title: Re: Lu-La CS6 Guide
Post by: ErikKaffehr on April 15, 2012, 11:59:01 PM
Great!
Nope!
Title: Re: Lu-La CS6 Guide
Post by: kaelaria on April 16, 2012, 12:24:07 AM
Nope!

I'll quote you on this a year form now when the next round of 'where's the next LLVJ' threads start ;)  How long has it been now since the last one?
Title: Re: Lu-La CS6 Guide
Post by: kaelaria on April 16, 2012, 12:30:04 AM
Ah, had to go waaaaaay back to look - it's been 3 years and 4 months since the last one...come on man just be honest.  We all know by now, it's done...
Title: Re: Lu-La CS6 Guide
Post by: Schewe on April 16, 2012, 01:27:11 AM
Ah, had to go waaaaaay back to look - it's been 3 years and 4 months since the last one...come on man just be honest.  We all know by now, it's done...

Actually, not...

You gotta understand the relationship between "timely" and relevant. Chris tries his best keeping the two together. But people wanting to learn "new stuff" vs stuff that is a bit more timeless is a difficult proposition. Chris would LOVE to stay heads down on older stuff to get it out. But...he's gotta spend time on the stuff people are demanding currently.
Title: Re: Lu-La CS6 Guide
Post by: kaelaria on April 16, 2012, 01:29:44 AM
I completely understand that.  But when there have been a few big threads, about every year or so asking when it's coming and he states - in a few months, by Christmas, going from 4 to 1 a year, etc. but in reality not a thing gets released at all for almost 3 1/2 years now...well I'm just stating the obvious is all.  Like I said, I'd LOVE a new episode, but I'm realistic. :(
Title: Re: Lu-La CS6 Guide
Post by: Photobird on April 16, 2012, 10:42:57 PM
please no more LLVJ's, They have already cost me 2 trips to Antarctica  ;D. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Actually, Spitsbergen would be good ... ::)
Polar Bears and no Penguins (maybe just giant yellow ones).

Craig
Title: Re: Lu-La CS6 Guide
Post by: AFairley on April 18, 2012, 06:56:15 PM
I would prefer to see a more in-depth treatment of lightroom first.  I am finding the LR4 tutorial a little more on the once-over-lightly side that I had expected.  I do appreciate that there's a lot to cover in there and that there's plenty of video as it is, but, for example, I found the treatment of sharpening and noise reduction pretty cursory.  But I guess I am conflating a Lightroom tutorial with a printing tutorial (I haven't seen the most recent Camera to Print tutorial, only the prior.
Title: Re: Lu-La CS6 Guide
Post by: kers on April 18, 2012, 08:13:31 PM
The best thing I learned about photoshop on LL was that Michael showed to use Unsharp Masking by 20% radius 50 pixel. (he got it from Thomas Knoll himself i believe)

It really improved the 3d quality of my photographs...( along with destroying detail but that is what phototshop 90% of the time does)


Yes if you have more...let it come!
Title: Re: Lu-La CS6 Guide
Post by: Dave (Isle of Skye) on May 15, 2012, 08:19:06 PM
100% YES.  I'm afraid we've seen the last of the fabulous series though :(

+1

Chris,

I know you already have your hands full and are working flat out and I also assume you must have built up quite a stock of LL-VJ footage over the many years since the last release in 2009, in fact probably enough for about 9 complete LL-VJ's I would guess, and as we all seem to be getting desperate for them to recommence, would it not be an idea to release them as pre-paid downloads as they become available in sections, just like you did with C2PS and LR4 videos? This way you can gauge what I think would be a flood of renewed interest, by revenues received and thereby allowing you to focus all your efforts on what is already known to be a very popular product, with a ready made and eagerly awaiting audience - this is just an idea.

But for me, I would prefer more (as in lots more) LL-VJ's than anything else, I can go to sites like Lynda for all the PS and computer related stuff and Youtube or B&H for their excellent and free videos on techniques and camera/gear specs etc, but the LL-VJ's are (or were) yours and Michael's USP.

A cold night by a warm fire with a glass of wine, watching a couple of hours of Michael wandering across various landscapes with his compadres, chatting about photography and discussing the resulting images, is the nearest thing to being out and about with Michael etc and chatting about photography and taking/making pictures - I truly love it and I also totally miss it.  :(

Dave
Title: Re: Lu-La CS6 Guide
Post by: billmac on May 17, 2012, 06:47:45 PM
Chris,

Long time lurker; not much of a poster. I have virtually all of your videos and return to them often for inspiration and renewal. Please, please don't waste time and resources on CS6! Too much competition and much less need for PS. Do what you folks do best, as others have highlighted. The LLVJ lead us away from the technical, for the most part, and into the world of composition, vision, inspiration, searching, seeing, etc.

Bill McClure

Title: Re: Lu-La CS6 Guide
Post by: Chris Sanderson on May 17, 2012, 10:40:59 PM
Chris,
Long time lurker; not much of a poster. I have virtually all of your videos and return to them often for inspiration and renewal. Please, please don't waste time and resources on CS6! Too much competition and much less need for PS. Do what you folks do best, as others have highlighted. The LLVJ lead us away from the technical, for the most part, and into the world of composition, vision, inspiration, searching, seeing, etc.
Bill McClure
Thank-you all for your encouragement and exhortations. Duly noted! When the Lightroom 4 tutorial is completed in a couple of weeks, I intend to take a break from editing and then return to the Video Journal in late Summer/early Fall.

Chris
Title: Re: Lu-La CS6 Guide
Post by: Martin Ocando on May 27, 2012, 01:08:13 AM
Thank-you all for your encouragement and exhortations. Duly noted! When the Lightroom 4 tutorial is completed in a couple of weeks, I intend to take a break from editing and then return to the Video Journal in late Summer/early Fall.

Chris

Take your time, Chris. I definitively think an advanced guide to CS6 for photographers would be a winner, and I will be the first to buy it. There are simply so many things that you still have to bounce to PS to do, that would be a complete package for a new photographer to learn all the tricks of the trade. I mean, not a single photographer should be content with learning everything about Lightroom, and simply feel restrained in doing things because Lightroom simply doesn't allow you to. You cannot achieve the pinnacle of image processing until you learn PS. Or at least the specific things that a Photographer must know.

I also hope you keep with the discounts for pre-order and during release time frames.

Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Lu-La CS6 Guide
Post by: Mark D Segal on May 27, 2012, 08:22:19 PM
I think clearing the backlog before getting into more new stuff makes a certain amount of sense, especially because the kind of material we get in LLVJ we don't get anywhere else. I really think Photoshop instruction is a saturated field. There are so many free and low-cost high-quality resources out there. I think to give such a product commercial traction you'd need to identify a niche that isn't being addressed already elsewhere in the market. And this would be coming at a time when more and more people are doing more and more of their work in Lightroom because it has growing and obvious advantages which you know and show so well. So I don't really say yea or nay to something on Photoshop, just a note of caution about the environment it would be playing into and the need to identify some uniqueness that would make it a "must buy" product.
Title: Re: Lu-La CS6 Guide
Post by: owinthomas on September 19, 2012, 07:33:52 AM
Chris,

I for one would love an advanced Lu-La Guide to CS6, although as a previous post has stated the market is saturated with this sort of thing.

As to the issue of providing the LLVJs, may I make a suggestion, or two?

Do the same as you did with the longer tutorials, release as you finish a segment, instead of focusing on a DVD size release, just do shorter segments and release on a regular basis. A sort of little series of epsiodes, in each episode concentrate on one subject, finish it, process it and then release it. Didn't MR do some small segments at the beginning of the year? Do something like that. This way you will be pleasing the majority of people who are copmplaining by giving them LLVJ segments.

Pricing? Do a similar deal, for those who buy as they're released a discount, if you want to wait for the full LLVJ release, then the fuil price.

Oh and another idea, take on an apprentice ;-) They can do the donkey work whilst you take care of the tutorials.
Title: Re: Lu-La CS6 Guide
Post by: Chris Sanderson on September 19, 2012, 11:29:29 AM
Good thoughts - thanks!

On the subject of an assistant. I have gone through several and basically had to redo all their work. Besides, I don't want one in my house all day  :D
Title: Re: Lu-La CS6 Guide
Post by: AveryRagan on September 28, 2012, 02:30:49 PM
"For me, the Reichmann & Schewe show is real entertainment."

How about adding Eric in a popup or  a bubble with a caption that says..."Now what they really meant to say is"...and then he gives us more advanced technical insight. Not saying that we don't get plenty with what we've received so far in the videos...but more is always better IMHO. ;)
Title: Re: Lu-La CS6 Guide
Post by: Schewe on September 28, 2012, 05:27:51 PM
How about adding Eric in a popup or  a bubble with a caption that says..."Now what they really meant to say is"...and then he gives us more advanced technical insight.

It was very generous of Eric to spend the time to fly up to Ontario and agree to do a day's taping with us, but you know, Eric does have a real job. Would you rather have him spend time doing videos or cool new features in ACR & LR? Yeah, I though so...

:~)