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Equipment & Techniques => Motion & Video => Topic started by: KevinA on March 13, 2012, 09:38:47 am
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http://philipbloom.net/2012/03/13/digitalbolex/
Kevin.
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Bloody hell ! It didn't last too long to see motion contaminated too.
Is it serious? Noo
I think it's time to be serious. Come on. It reminds those Fuji rangefinder vintage digital pale copies fashion from the marketing bureaux.
In a world where they try to sell us that lions and tigers are little inofensive sweet cats, they don't know anymore what to invent to sell any sort of buzz to people,
instead of putting their bloody engineers on the drawing boards in serious.
Everything is conceptual now.
The Bolex...I have had one and still some accessories. It's crap! They would told me that they plan to make a digital Konvas 35mm, that would be something.
If you ever handled a Konvas, you'll know what I mean; that's a really serious 35mm camera, extremely well compact designed and military built.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Konvas-automat_1KSR-1M_with_15EPSS_drive.jpg)
The Bolex in comparaison was a peice of plastic s...
All that is mad.
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Wow Fred, aren't you rushing to judgement a little quick on this? Maybe we should give it chance.
I think it looks fantastic. Who knows, maybe it will be pretty close to what the Scarlet was supposed to be. 2K for 3500.00
Like the Lofi look of the footage. Not crazy about the phoney, cartoon retro style.
Tim
www.tjphoto.net
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I like the look of it, ok fashion over function maybe but it appeals to my childish desire, wether or not it will ever happen and by August? I like the motivation behind it and the thinking behind it. If it happens and actual works with an easy workflow I think it would fly off the shelf ......... and Fred I bet you would want one.
Kevin.
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Hey,
a 15 € solution. http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-METAL-HAND-GRIP-FITS-ANY-CAMERA-/251006979775?pt=US_Camera_Straps_Hand_Grips&hash=item3a712e8ebf
Put than on your Canons, and it will look like a Bolex. Is it vintage enough? I quite like the 50's greenish tone.
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No, no. Even a better idea.
Buy the Fuji rangefinder remake II. It shoots HD video and then with this 15€ handle it would just be top to go filming with elegance in the Cannes croisette. Don't forget that you also need the convertible vintage car, preferently english to be more classy. They haven't done yet the Triumph remake but be sure it will be soon available so no worries if you can't find an original.
We could glue on top a film magazin to pretend it shoots film, more stylized.
Ok, just teasing, just teasing.
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Hey,
a 15 € solution. http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-METAL-HAND-GRIP-FITS-ANY-CAMERA-/251006979775?pt=US_Camera_Straps_Hand_Grips&hash=item3a712e8ebf
Put than on your Canons, and it will look like a Bolex. Is it vintage enough? I quite like the 50's greenish tone.
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No, no. Even a better idea.
Buy the Fuji rangefinder remake II. It shoots HD video and then with this 15€ handle it would just be top to go filming with elegance in the Cannes croisette. Don't forget that you also need the convertible vintage car, preferently english to be more classy. They haven't done yet the Triumph remake but be sure it will be soon available so no worries if you can't find an original.
We could glue on top a film magazin to pretend it shoots film, more stylized.
Ok, just teasing, just teasing.
But who'd make it, Fred? The company has long gone in labour-relations death. Anyway, they'd probably think of remaking the TR7, the ugliest car they ever produced. Now, the TR6, which some say was a Giovanni Michelotti design but others dispute, was a lovely wee thing.
There was a French pop song of I think, the very early 80s with words something along the lines of assis dans mon Triumph, c'est l´heure de pastis, and something about Les Corniches and le jazz américain. My daughter bought it whilst on her year there from university. Maybe you can remember it, but probably before your time. As I recall, they even had a TR of sorts in La Dolce Vita... it was Marcello's wheels. Probably a TR3. I loved the Giulietta Sprint of that era.
Guess that's a whole other world of Good Olde Days! Funny how some of this old stuff costs so many times more than current exotic cars...
Rob C
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Haven't you heard of the Mazda Miata? It's a copy of vintage English sports car from the 60's.
Re done so its safe, economical, and reliable . I'd rather have an aston martin 300.
What the heck this has to do with a new 2k camera that shoots raw, i'm not sure.
Fred, that thing you posted looks like some type of torture device from the middle ages. No thanks!
Thanks,
Tim
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Hi Rob.
Be sure we will have at one point or another a Triumph remake. They did it already in motorcycles division, so as the Ducati, so as the fiat convertible etc etc... Down my home there are both parked on the street side by side (the bikes).
I don't see the new age executives missing it.
I had a friend, a dancer, she drove the TR3. All I remember is that her car was very often at the garage for any kind of issues. Those weren't very reliable.
So there are going to make a concept motion camera, based on a vintage design, but not this serious Konvas design, because that looks too much like a tool (because it is). No. They needed something more sailable.
Oh well. Hope they do well.
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Fred, that thing you posted looks like some type of torture device from the middle ages. No thanks!
Thanks,
Tim
No Tim, it's a tool. Actually one of the best 35mm camera designed to be operated by one single man (I should say, cameraman) under the worst conditions and with maximum reliability.
I've handled one in a vintage shop and its really really impressive.
It's hugly, but it bloody works. I can guarantee that your back, harm and neck will suffer much less with this Konvas than with the Bolex despite being a heavier camera.
(actually most of those cameras are still working today and currently operated by filmakers)
But that's the very big difference between a tool and a concept-cam. Between a product built for professionals to the highest robustness standarts with just the minimum to operate perfectly, and a fancy product made to sell volume.
Same with the Hcam. It's maybe not the prettiest camera, but it's a real tool. Not another gadget. IMHO.
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It's being developed through Kickstarter (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/joedp/the-digital-bolex-the-1st-affordable-digital-cinem). Pony up some cash and send it in!
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Fred, you might like this babe too!
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This one is cool too http://www.ikonoskop.com/dii/a-cam-dii/
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It's being developed through Kickstarter (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/joedp/the-digital-bolex-the-1st-affordable-digital-cinem). Pony up some cash and send it in!
You have to wonder what happens when they hit the last minute glitch which will take a lot of time and money to sort out.
You know that thing that always lurks around the corner. Will a $100k be enough to deliver the goods. Are those that put their money down making a bet or a purchase at this stage?
Also it looks like you swop low light performance for 2k raw. The lure of RAW might get a lot on board, I just wonder wether most would be better off the way things are for now.
Kevin.
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Haven't you heard of the Mazda Miata? It's a copy of vintage English sports car from the 60's.
Re done so its safe, economical, and reliable . I'd rather have an aston martin 300.
What the heck this has to do with a new 2k camera that shoots raw, i'm not sure.
Fred, that thing you posted looks like some type of torture device from the middle ages. No thanks!
Thanks,
Tim
No, Tim, I hadn't, but looking it up, it seems to be another name for what's known here as the MX5. My son's wife has one, and they seem to like it, but his own wheels have switched constantly between hot Scoobies and the hot Clios; he's currently on another Clio.
Given all the funds in the world, I think I'd probably now rule out all of the exotica and settle for a Mustang with a hard roof. I don't like convertibles at all, though I did like my little Fiat X1/9 with its targa top while it lasted... it would have made the perfect car for Mallorca, even though the salt in the air would have killed it long, long ago.
Rob C
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Cars and cameras aside, something that I'd love to see replicated today, even if I'd be left gasping for breath after two bars, is this:
http://youtu.be/Rf55gHK48VQ
There was something magical about those years, and though dancing in music videos etc. has become far more sexually explicit, I'd trade all of the contemporary plastic dolls for a little more of this in my life. Been a long time... but no, I wouldn't want the suits again. Not any suits again, ever.
Rob C
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The Digital Bolex looks like a 'fun' camera, & if it comes to fruition there is a market. Super 16mm is great format for lots of work, & this camera may be a nice option for documentary, & similar needs.
I'm not sold on the low resolution B&W monitoring, & hope they add a better EVF. A professional video-out port would be nice, but I wonder if they'd be able to send a viewable image, or would it look like unprocessed RAW.
But even if it's only manufactured to the current specs I may buy in. I just looks so 'fun'.
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Will a $100k be enough to deliver the goods.
Good question, but it amazing to note that just yesterday they launched on KickStarter, & this morning already have close to $250,000.00.
www.kickstarter.com/projects/joedp/the-digital-bolex-the-1st-affordable-digital-cinem
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This one is cool too http://www.ikonoskop.com/dii/a-cam-dii/
The IMS mount is cool. 12 bits, finally!!! and I.S
Honestly, this camera looks better implemented than the Rolex, sorry...the Bolex... But the eye-cup really looks like a public urinal.
(and more follow-focus, and more mattebox = more hassles)
They also have an interesting super 16 camera a little cheaper: http://www.ikonoskop.com/a-cam-sp16/
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I love the ergonomics, & philosophy, of the Ikonoshop cameras.
If their EVFs articulated they would be even better.
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The sensor is in 1" format, close enough to 16mm and so usable with a lot of C-mount lenses. But it is also the format of the CMOS sensor in the new Nikon One series, and just a bit smaller than Panasonic's 4/3" MOS sensors. So I am guessing that this market will soon enough be served by cameras using those newer technology active pixel CMOS sensors rather than the off-the-shelf Kodak interline CCD model KAI-04050 (http://www.kodak.com/ek/uploadedFiles/Content/Small_Business/Images_Sensor_Solutions/Products/KAI-04050ProductSummary.pdf) proposed for this model. Panasonic seems the one most likely to do it, already having the AG-AF100 with C-mount adaptor available for a not much higher price ($5,000 vs an estimated $3,300 for the Bolex-D). Can we hope for a less expensive follow-up model, and maybe a raw output option added?
Or just a pistol grip for the (hacked) GH2?
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Put a vintage pistol grip on the GH2 if you want to look Bolex.
The problem with the C mount is that the second-hand market is in flame and good units are way too expensive for what they are. And there is no way to use the wides without the ETC,
and you know that the ETC and higher isos aren't very much friends. It's limitating but also you loose the wide angle capability because of the crop involved.
So yes, cameras like the Nikon 1 allow to take adavantage of the wide without compromising the quality in higher isos. But it's a one way system. You can't really go in higher sensor size with those lenses. You're stucked there
in a small format. So it's an optic investment that serves only one type of cameras.
If we could have instead of that, a B mount like those motorized Fujinon zooms designs it would be indeed another story.
I beleive Pana with the m4/3, wich I think it's a very good standart for video, will release at one point a 12 bits raw camera, affordable. The sensor is capable enough to put 4k on the table with max quality.
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Good question, but it amazing to note that just yesterday they launched on KickStarter, & this morning already have close to $250,000.00.
www.kickstarter.com/projects/joedp/the-digital-bolex-the-1st-affordable-digital-cinem
I wonder if I announced a new wonder digital camera and asked for $100,000 up front wether I would get it, it could beat working for a living :-)
What a scam you could work. Rebody a Red and say yes this is the prototype and this is what it is capable of, hand over the money and yours will be here in a month or two.
Not that I think this is what is happening, I believe them to be serious.
Kevin.
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I wonder if I announced a new wonder digital camera and asked for $100,000 up front wether I would get it, it could beat working for a living :-)
What a scam you could work. Rebody a Red and say yes this is the prototype and this is what it is capable of, hand over the money and yours will be here in a month or two.
Not that I think this is what is happening, I believe them to be serious.
Kevin.
Indeed, and people are doing it with other people's photographs ever day!
You know, sampling, homage etc. et bloody cetera.
Rob C
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This one is cool too http://www.ikonoskop.com/dii/a-cam-dii/
Sucks to be left-eyed. :-[
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http://prolost.com/blog/2012/3/13/digital-bolex.html
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Rob,
Not everyone in the world of photography is starving, not everyone worries about what is clipped from the internet and not everyone wants to see Kodachrome, labs, cv's, and Triumph Spitfires come back.
For everything that went sideways in our industry, about 12 billion more opportunites appeared.
It's a new world and tomorrow it'll change, overall for the better.
Life is good if your breathing air.
IMO
BC
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Rob,
Not everyone in the world of photography is starving, not everyone worries about what is clipped from the internet and not everyone wants to see Kodachrome, labs, cv's, and Triumph Spitfires come back.
For everything that went sideways in our industry, about 12 billion more opportunites appeared.
It's a new world and tomorrow it'll change, overall for the better.
Life is good if your breathing air.IMO
BC
That’s an easy, flip throwaway from a place where life is indeed a good thing. It won’t fly in the cities where people starve, where they have bars on their windows and bolts along all the edges of their doors; it means precious little to the guy standing in the dole queue, little to the bum crouched on the park bench and even less to the doctor whose patient is dying because he can’t buy the drug he needs to stay alive.
Yes, there are people in the business doing well; of course there are, always were and possibly it may continue that way, but I wouldn’t bet on it, certainly not that the industry will grow. You must surely remember a time when every photographer in business had a studio? Even little old Scotland worked like that; now, in London too it’s the exception - how is that ever a measure of standing still? It isn’t; it’s a measure of decline, of work not being well enough paid to sustain the business. (I think you yourself say that you now work much harder for about the same reward.)
Was a time Kodak stood for pretty much everything you needed in photography; they produced great product, printed beautiful and useful brochures, booklets and leaflets on Applied Photography; there was a rep. at hand to offer you all the information or assistance that the company could give you; where are they now? Thousands of people who built their lives, homes and dreams around the photo industry are left playing solitaire. Others built the same dream around ships and cars. Their plants have been flattened and the prospects of a return to their expertise is practically zero in many if not most cases.
No, that’s not really all about competitiveness or lack of it either. What we lost in the UK and you in Detroit wasn’t simply because the home product often sucked; it was because foreign meant cheaper, despite whatever the real cost of production might have been, so Japan jumped into the breach and rode the wave while it lasted. Now, where’s Japan going? Who owns Nissan? Who owns Rolls-Royce and Bentley, for that matter… it rumbles on, and at the end of it, you come to realise that every dog does indeed have its day, but that it lasts a very short time and that that period appears to be getting shorter by the year; it's always going to be the turn of the next cheapest nation, the next cheapest product.
I’m afraid that the easy response to all of this is the charge of being a Luddite; facile, and often politically convenient way to quell any voice of concern at the devastation being wrought across humanity. But then we just pick another sucker to sack: bankers will do for the moment. They are rich, nobody loves them because of that and they are mostly personally unknown to the population at large. Their reputations now get kicked because they no longer want to place suspect loans; their own deep personal purses get locked down because they fear conspicuous consumption will get them killed. It’s all chaos; it’s all ass over elbow and it will remain that way until the time comes when the population realises that new isn’t the only way, that durability and sustainability count for more and that everything needs an extended life in order for it to thrive and grow. Madcap ‘progress’ has seldom produced anything that’s lasted.
But my cough’s killing me, so I shall retire for the evening.
;-)
Rob C
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This morning we shoot tethered...it didn't happen for, I don't even remember when.
I kept using the GH2 this time with one Angenieux cine zoon. Great but heavy.
The interesting thing was Lightroom. We tethered a 5D2 via Lightroom, and it's not bad at all. I didn't like it very much and prefered C1 but it goes fast.
I found the viewer quality really top.
We couldn't have this day continuous light set-up so I was always filming in higher isos.
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This morning we shoot tethered...it didn't happen for, I don't even remember when.
I kept using the GH2 this time with one Angenieux cine zoon. Great but heavy.
The interesting thing was Lightroom. We tethered a 5D2 via Lightroom, and it's not bad at all. I didn't like it very much and prefered C1 but it goes fast.
I found the viewer quality really top.
We couldn't have this day continuous light set-up so I was always filming in higher isos.
A video frame, shooted flat right-out-the-box.
(I show those make-up shots because we're not allowed to show anything of the real content for the moment. Sorry about that)
Wish I was there!
Re.the song about Triumph:
Le grand Orchestre du Splendid; La salsa du demon; track: Antibes-Juan-les-pins.
My daughter no longer has the album - I can't find the track in Youtube. ;-(
Rob C
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...from a place where life is indeed a good thing.
'Peter Diamandis: Abundance is our future'
www.ted.com/talks/peter_diamandis_abundance_is_our_future.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Diamandis
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Specs have been updated.
http://www.digitalbolex.com/news/
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Specs have been updated.
http://www.digitalbolex.com/news/
Bern,
I always thought the Bolex's were kinda ugly and never took them seriously. Also they made more noise than a Hell's Angle's birthday party.
Given that I still keep my 16mm Beaulieu. Yea, it makes a lot of noise and the viewfinder kind of looks like a viewing through the bottom of a dirty coke a cola bottle, but it's a pretty little camera.
(http://www.filmprojectors.eu/images/classicBeaulieu4008zmIIprosuper8camera.1.jpg)
I always thought how cool, if someone could take my Box of electronic's Sony and do a retro version that looked like that little french camera.
I mean what would it cost to license it from Beaulieu . . . 50 bucks?
They've done it with motorcycles. Triumphs and BSA's are all over El Lay and we all know they're not the real British Triumphs and BSA's of the past because 1. They are running 2. You can actually get them repaired without speaking the queens english 3. They are running. 4. They are running.
I'm hoping someday the world of plastic electronics get's slammed into the world of analog and stuff what we buy looks like something real and kind of familiar.
That's the cool thing about the R-1. Client's take cell phone photos of it. Have you ever shown a layman a 5d3? They say . . . uh cool my sister has one.
IMO
BC
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Yeah,
The only problem with those remakes is that you'd better not known the original because what they do now is politically corrected.
I rided the Triumph bike, both original vintage and remake. The original is unstable -normal- the remake is unstable too.
But the original vibrates and as a par-engine that gives you a kick in the ass when open gaz.
The remake is too smooth, no push, no vibrations, no fun. It just has the envelope....oh yeah, it's runnin, boring like hell except maybe on a Cannes' croisette
or an L.A beach redneck avenue (you know those ones with the oiled skin guys doing body building or jogging and the striking blondes in pink bikinis with siliconed breast watching them), but yes, it's runnin.
Take those new Harley models and you'll know what I mean.
The Beaulieu was a much better acheived camera IMO than this Bolex toy.
Why instead of trying to emulate the oldies wreak don't they take advantage of digital to design things that are not pale copies of the Jurassic times?
We're not far to see very soon a wooden remake of an Eclair with a fake handle and everybody will applaude while we are still waiting for a well priced AF system that works well.
(http://eclair16.com/files/2009/08/1st-eclair-camera.jpg)