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Title: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: Chris Sanderson on February 08, 2012, 05:27:19 PM
I have placed in the Store a Pre-release product of our upcoming Lu-La Advanced Guide to LR4 (http://store.luminous-landscape.com/zencart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2&products_id=286).

Up until the release of Lightroom 4, there will be a 35% discount.

The new Advanced tutorial is designed for those who are already familiar with previous versions of Lightroom and it will concentrate on the new features of Lighroom 4.

However this Pre-Release product will also include the videos for a separate tutorial: The New User's Introduction to Lightroom 4.

No videos for any Lightroom 4 tutorial will be available until the release of Lightroom 4.

We will begin to release the first videos on the LR4 release date at which point, this 35% discount will end.
Title: Re: Lu-La Advanced Guide to LR4
Post by: mac_paolo on February 08, 2012, 05:43:45 PM
Got it! Thank you guys!  ;)
Title: Re: Lu-La Advanced Guide to LR4
Post by: Josh-H on February 08, 2012, 06:08:49 PM
THanks Chris, very cool and clear.

Now go back into your bunker and get editing..... and while you are there... see if you can dig up another video journal...  ;D
Title: Re: Lu-La Advanced Guide to LR4
Post by: Chris Sanderson on February 08, 2012, 06:56:44 PM
Yes, probably - but after the LR4 series is complete.
Title: Re: Lu-La Advanced Guide to LR4
Post by: Martin Ocando on February 09, 2012, 09:06:18 AM
Will you be discounting the Lightroom 3 videos, Chris?

Sharon

Chris, what do you recommend. Buy now at the 35% off, or wait for the videos and apply the discount for LR3 customers ?
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: michael on February 09, 2012, 09:17:31 AM
This 35% discount will be greater than the discount offered to LR3 tutorial owners, so your best bet for saving money is to place your pre-order now.

Michael
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: Martin Ocando on February 09, 2012, 09:18:37 AM
This 35% discount will be greater than the discount offered to LR3 tutorial owners, so your best bet for saving money is to place your pre-order now.

Michael


That's all I needed to know. Thanks Michael. Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: davidgp on February 09, 2012, 11:18:48 AM
Nice, I just ordered mine... now waiting for Adobe to release the new version.

Many thanks Michael, Chris, and Jeff!!!
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: Alan Smallbone on February 09, 2012, 11:34:42 AM
I ordered it too, thanks for the early bird discount. Looking forward to it.

Alan
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: BernieKohl on February 09, 2012, 02:14:05 PM
I ordered it immediately. Any ideas when LR4 will be released?
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: michael on February 09, 2012, 02:16:44 PM
Adobe hasn't made that information public. Sorry.

Michael
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: John E on February 09, 2012, 03:20:38 PM
Bernie, the Beta expires March 31, 2012 (http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/lightroom4/), so that gives us a window on when the final -should- be released.

John
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: Martin Ocando on February 09, 2012, 03:22:57 PM
Bernie, the Beta expires March 31, 2012 (http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/lightroom4/), so that gives us a window on when the final -should- be released.

John

Nice, that gives me time to get the Pre-release in time.
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: Roberts J on February 10, 2012, 03:21:05 AM
OK! Thanks!

Now, if i understood correctly, for those who want to buy not only Advanced tutorial, but Beginners tutorial, too, situation is this way:
- after release of Lightroom 4 price for full tutorial will be 60$ (Advanced tutorial) + 20$ (additional Beginners tutorial) = 80$ for full tutorial;
- now i can buy (preorder) Advanced tutorial for 39$, but I will get full tutorial (both - Beginers tutorial and Advanced tutorial).

And this mean that for beginners there is really approx. 50% discount (80$ vs. 39$). Am I correct?
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: Chris Sanderson on February 10, 2012, 09:02:09 AM
OK! Thanks!

Now, if i understood correctly, for those who want to buy not only Advanced tutorial, but Beginners tutorial, too, situation is this way:
- after release of Lightroom 4 price for full tutorial will be 60$ (Advanced tutorial) + 20$ (additional Beginners tutorial) = 80$ for full tutorial;
- now i can buy (preorder) Advanced tutorial for 39$, but I will get full tutorial (both - Beginers tutorial and Advanced tutorial).

And this mean that for beginners there is really approx. 50% discount (80$ vs. 39$). Am I correct?
No

Today you get both Advanced & Beginners for $38.97 - the lowest price the Advanced Tutorial will ever be.

On LR4 release, there will be separate Advanced & Beginners tutorials. The Beginners will be $19.95. The Advanced will be higher than the current discounted price for both.
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: Roberts J on February 10, 2012, 10:37:08 AM
No

Today you get both Advanced & Beginners for $38.97 - the lowest price the Advanced Tutorial will ever be.

On LR4 release, there will be separate Advanced & Beginners tutorials. The Beginners will be $19.95. The Advanced will be higher than the current discounted price for both.

Thanks for your answer!
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: StuartOnline on February 23, 2012, 11:37:02 AM
Hi Chris,

Just purchased the pre order for Lightroom 4 videos.  Received conformation with no problems.
I also assume I will receive both Advanced tutorial along with the Beginners tutorial even though I may not need that one.
I do assume the Beginners tutorial will be done with Lightroom 4?

Looking forward to the release of these videos as it looks like Lightroom 4 will be released very soon.

Best,

Stu
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: Chris Sanderson on February 24, 2012, 12:16:37 PM
I do assume the Beginners tutorial will be done with Lightroom 4?
Yes, the full New User's Introduction to LR4 tutorial will be there on LR4 release. I am trying hard to have some Advanced stuff as well. Plugging away at it...
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: reyn_two on February 27, 2012, 10:57:33 AM
Have the videos been made using the final version of Lightroom 4 or the beta?
Just asking because if it was the beta then they must have taken a long time to record. ::)
Frank
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: michael on February 27, 2012, 11:20:36 AM
Not sure what your question means, but the videos are based on the release version.

Michael
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: reyn_two on February 27, 2012, 11:38:38 AM
Not sure what your question means, but the videos are based on the release version.

Michael

Just making sure all the new features of the release version have been incorporated in the videos, and hoping it's more responsive then my beta copy, I think I must have the over 65's version.
Please take both posts in the light hearted way they are intended and don't chastise me, my nerves won't take it.
Frank
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: Etrsi_645 on February 27, 2012, 12:23:37 PM
I'm in on V4 video; I can't believe soft proofing is this easy now (though I do have a few minor points to digest)..
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: Robert-Peter Westphal on February 27, 2012, 01:01:27 PM
Just making sure all the new features of the release version have been incorporated in the videos, and hoping it's more responsive then my beta copy, I think I must have the over 65's version.
Please take both posts in the light hearted way they are intended and don't chastise me, my nerves won't take it.
Frank


I bet that there will be some significant differences between the beta and the relase.

Otherwise it makes no sense for me that the relase of the video is postponed after / to the date of release of Lr4.

Let's have our fingers crossed that there are some features added and not removed....

Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: reyn_two on February 27, 2012, 01:51:55 PM
I bet that there will be some significant differences between the beta and the relase.

Otherwise it makes no sense for me that the relase of the video is postponed after / to the date of release of Lr4.

Let's have our fingers crossed that there are some features added and not removed....


Over the years I have purchased all the Video Journals and most of the tutorials and I have already pre-ordered this one.
I save them to my Windows home server and play them on my Panasonic 37 inch TV using either DNLA or my Popcornhour media server - the only problem I have is not technical or quality which is excellent but finding enough free TV time to watch them on my own. (the tutorials that is, we both watch the Journals).
As for features of the release v4 I have it on excellent authority that  - we will have to wait.
Frank
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: Andrew Makiejewski on March 06, 2012, 05:56:32 PM
Oops...  I dropped the ball and forgot to pre-order the LR4 training the other day.

Dumb question, any kind of discount for LR3 training owners?

Andrew
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: wtlloyd on March 06, 2012, 07:49:36 PM
Take a look at the front page "What's New" Andrew.
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: dwnelson on March 07, 2012, 11:25:32 AM
I'm more than halfway through the intro videos and I think they are excellent. I am new to Lightroom - I've only started fiddling around with LR4 beta - and now I am ready to migrate my 38,000+ images over to LR4. These videos are very helpful! I would never have taken the time to read the manual, but thanks to this series and the Where The Bleep Are My Images? series, I am now migrating my collection to LR with confidence. Furthermore, it helps that they are high quality, and I can rewind them any time. Michael, Jeff and Chris - nice job!
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: Alan Goldhammer on March 09, 2012, 05:49:17 PM
So here I sit watching the 'Soft Proofing' video and Jeff is discussing setting the upsampling to 360 in the print module.  Jeff states it's just as important "...as having really good expensive power cables for an amplifier."  Micheal's expression is priceless and thanks Chris for leaving this one in there!
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: Schewe on March 09, 2012, 06:02:02 PM
:~)

Glad you caught that...when we taped that segment, the uproar from the article was still fresh in my mind. Course, in years to come, not many will understand it!
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: Alan Goldhammer on March 09, 2012, 06:13:50 PM
:~)

Glad you caught that...when we taped that segment, the uproar from the article was still fresh in my mind. Course, in years to come, not many will understand it!
It was easier than counting the different shirts you wore in C2P&S!!!   ;-)
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: thebatman on March 10, 2012, 12:13:54 PM
Great to have the LR4 videos released so quickly - thanks Michael, Jeff and Chris!

Chris, BTW, the videos seem to have a very 3D / narrow DOF look to them.  Very nice from what I've seen so far.  What camera(s) did you shoot with?

-Ken
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: Chris Sanderson on March 10, 2012, 03:11:36 PM
What camera(s) did you shoot with?
the Panny AF100 X 2 and GH2 x 2 but the secret is good Leica primes borrowed from Michael. We were shooting 'available light' and the week was pretty cloudy, so I was around 2.8 the whole time. No way for that with Panny zooms.
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: Robert-Peter Westphal on March 10, 2012, 03:54:36 PM
Hi Chris,

just to satisfy my curiosity :

In the Video MIchael says that this video is created in a hotel, but the background seems to looks like a kitchen ?

Are the scenes where you can see the screen directly taken from the macbooks LCD or did you take a monitor ?

Many thanks for the great videos and best wishes

Robert
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: michael on March 10, 2012, 04:01:03 PM
We rented a space in a hotel outside of San Miguel, called Nirvana (http://www.hotels.com/ho387759/nirvana-restaurant-and-retreat-san-miguel-de-allende-mexico/). It was used as a massage room much of the time.

We used four cameras, plus screen captures.

Michael
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: Robert-Peter Westphal on March 10, 2012, 04:03:07 PM
We rented a space in a hotel outside of San Miguel, called Nirvana (http://www.hotels.com/ho387759/nirvana-restaurant-and-retreat-san-miguel-de-allende-mexico/). It was used as a massage room much of the time.

We used four cameras, plus screen captures.

Michael


Hola Michael,

thanks for the fast answer !

I'm really impressed by the quality you deliver with your videos !

Best wishes

Robert
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: Schewe on March 10, 2012, 04:49:52 PM
I'm really impressed by the quality you deliver with your videos !

Credit for the quality on the video and edits goes to Chris...course all three of us fiddle around with camera framing, lighting and stuff...but once we start Mike and I quit looking through the camera because, well, we spend all our time in front of the camera :~)

The one thing we had to fight was changing light. We had floor to ceiling windows usually with translucent drapes except when it was raining where we pulled the drapes. We also had some LED lights as bounce fill. We had a couple of days where the generally west facing windows caught sun/clouds where Chris had to constantly change exposure.

Mike and Chris spent a day setting up before I even got down there tweaking. In particular, Chris fine tuned the white balance to match between all 4 shooting cameras. We shot with a wider 2 shot and a closeup on the main speaker and then Chris had to reposition the over the shoulder camera when Mike & I switched.

We also spent a couple days walking around and shooting in SMA with Chris shooting us shooting. Those segments will be in the Advanced sections (I think). And of course, we did our final wrap...
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: stormyboy on March 10, 2012, 04:51:13 PM
We rented a space in a hotel outside of San Miguel, called Nirvana (http://www.hotels.com/ho387759/nirvana-restaurant-and-retreat-san-miguel-de-allende-mexico/). It was used as a massage room much of the time.

We used four cameras, plus screen captures.

Michael


Ha!  :)
Massage room or "massage" room?    
Advertisement for the LR4 videos could read: Filmed in a Brothel!  Advanced Techniques!

That would probably double your sales?  ;)

Tom

P.S.  I own the videos and they are terrific.
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: Robert-Peter Westphal on March 10, 2012, 05:23:45 PM
Ha!  :)
Massage room or "massage" room?    
Advertisement for the LR4 videos could read: Filmed in a Brothel!  Advanced Techniques!

That would probably double your sales?  ;)

Tom

P.S.  I own the videos and they are terrific.

Yes, surely I'm thankful to Chris ( and Michael) for the technical quality of the episodes - and it is really increased, but the quality I was talking about is a combination of all, which includes you Jeff as well as all other influenced in tis  project !

Best wishes

Robert
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: AlexG on March 10, 2012, 10:30:33 PM
Chris,

Quote
the Panny AF100 X 2 and GH2 x 2 but the secret is good Leica primes borrowed from Michael. We were shooting 'available light' and the week was pretty cloudy, so I was around 2.8 the whole time. No way for that with Panny zooms.

Nice...but I will also add that little table top audio setup you got there...H4n + hell of a little tripod ;) Best sound so far IMHO!

Well done.

Alex
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: Schewe on March 10, 2012, 10:52:51 PM
Nice...but I will also add that little table top audio setup you got there...H4n + hell of a little tripod ;) Best sound so far IMHO!

I think for the vast majority of sound Chris got it from the close lav mics we were wearing (recorded on one of the AF10 cams...) the digital recorder is really only used as backup most of the time (although I don't know that for a fact since I don't sit over Chris' shoulder when he edits).

In addition to the 4 video sources plus the screenshots, Chris has the digital recorder and we also record sound on the Macs when we are doing screen captures (although that's only for the onboard video/audio which is used primarily to help Chris sync the audio).

In the grand scheme of things the production values we use are far more advanced than most video tutorials...and really all the credit goes to Chris keeping all this stuff together and usable (and well edited–you have no idea how well Chris does making us seem intelligent in the final cut).

We do have a lot of experience and we're pretty good at it at this stage...we've been doing this stuff for a long time and the tech keeps getting better in both video and audio quality.

That and HD delivery...which of course causes issues with delivery and fulfillment–which we do honestly regret. We wish nobody had any issues downloading but it's not a perfect art at the moment.
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: wtlloyd on March 11, 2012, 12:53:52 AM
I think the cleverness of breaking the videos into introductory and then advanced components has really promoted the delivery of information. I had thought the Lightroom3 tutorial wandered a bit compared to the earlier versions.
The new two part format seems to me to have brought things back into focus..and the gradient demo for explaining PV2012 was brilliant.
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: ErikKaffehr on March 11, 2012, 01:28:52 AM
Hi,

Looking forward to the final wrap ;-)

I know that it is a lot of hard work  behind the films, but hopefully you also enjoy making them. Chris does a very good job on recording the videos and also I guess keeping everyone happy. Make the final cut on all that video is an impressive amount of work, greatly done by Chris.

Best regards
Erik



And of course, we did our final wrap...
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: W.T. Jones on March 11, 2012, 02:38:00 PM
I finally got around to downloading the available videos. The first thing I noticed was the background separation or shallow DOF and the excellent sound quality. Which I see was explained above. It is by far the best (IMO) quality set of vids done to date. I also am thrilled with the breakdown and explanation of how things work of the new basic panel as well as Process 2012 & Soft proofing.  Excellent job lads.
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: knoxman on March 11, 2012, 03:11:05 PM
The videos are a bit....well....ETTR.   ;)  But the shallow DOF and Bokeh is nice...very nice.  ;)
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: bernphys on March 12, 2012, 09:42:32 AM
The videos are excellent indeed.
Wonder when will No.14 + be available

Bernard
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: Chris Sanderson on March 12, 2012, 11:09:03 AM
Wonder when will No.14 + be available
I usually try to add new videos every two weeks or so.

This time may be a little longer because we are very probably migrating the downloads to Amazon S3. This will hopefully mitigate the download crunch every time we release something new.  ::)
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: Josh-H on March 17, 2012, 05:43:16 PM
I lucked out.. logged on just as the new videos went live and managed to pull them down in less than 5 minutes - nice to beat the feeding frenzy this time  ;D
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: aduke on March 17, 2012, 06:43:14 PM
I lucked out.. logged on just as the new videos went live and managed to pull them down in less than 5 minutes - nice to beat the feeding frenzy this time  ;D

You certainly did javascript:void(0); I just finished with the first one, it took over 40 minutes on a reasonably fast connection. It was better than the download times of the basic videos done after the frenzy was over, supposedly.
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: Robert-Peter Westphal on March 18, 2012, 05:11:47 AM
HI,

a question to Jeff :

What kind of Macbook pro are you using ? For me and in the latest videos, it looks very responsive when you change the slidersx. Allthough yu are working on a 80MPx Picture, it looks pretty fast.

Like usual, it is great fun to watch you and I think ( hope ) I understand sharpening now.

Beyt wishes

Robert
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: Chris Sanderson on March 18, 2012, 09:44:35 AM
What kind of Macbook pro are you using ? For me and in the latest videos, it looks very responsive when you change the slidersx. Allthough yu are working on a 80MPx Picture, it looks pretty fast.
I am guilty of being impatient with computers and often speed up the 'grinding' time... therefore your mileage my vary  ::)
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: Schewe on March 18, 2012, 02:23:27 PM
What kind of Macbook pro are you using ? For me and in the latest videos, it looks very responsive when you change the slidersx. Allthough yu are working on a 80MPx Picture, it looks pretty fast.

Yes, Chris does "edit" the run time and tends to speed things up a bit so everything always looks snappy. But I really don't see a lot of slider delay when working. My Macbook Pro is a dual core 2.8 ghz i7 processor with 8 gigs of ram and booted from an internal SSD drive. Also note that while Mike and I are recording screenshots, we're also running iShowU HD recording the movies. It's pretty processor intensive. But the only time I really see any slow downs is when I'm running both LR and Photoshop...then things can get pokey particularly when the image I'm working on is from a P 65+ or IQ 180. Then I will sometimes see SBODs.

But LR4 on my laptop is pretty fast...and Chris does help take out the excess time.
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: Robert-Peter Westphal on March 18, 2012, 03:09:05 PM
Hi Chris, hi Jeff,

thanks for the honest answers !

But good to hear from Jeff that the performance of the Macbook is enough for Lr 4. I consider buying a Macbook pro instead of my old PC wich show delays while working with Lr4 ( it is just a quadcore 266GHz with 8GB RAM).

My idea is to use the laptop for both working at home with a 24" or 27" monitor and on journeys without any external motiro.

Best wishes

Robert
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: mvsoske on March 19, 2012, 11:14:53 AM
Chris:  I noticed that the "camera click" was missing from all the videos in the 14 & 15 downloads!  I miss them!  ;D
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: Chris Sanderson on March 19, 2012, 12:17:48 PM
@mvsoske: interesting. I figured that Advanced users want to get to the content quicker without so much Lu-La branding; so the sunrise click is on the Introduction videos but not on the Advanced - that saves about six seconds  ;D
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: Robert-Peter Westphal on March 19, 2012, 01:17:53 PM
@mvsoske: interesting. I figured that Advanced users want to get to the content quicker without so much Lu-La branding; so the sunrise click is on the Introduction videos but not on the Advanced - that saves about six seconds  ;D

Hi Chris,

I think this was a very good idea to do it the way you did.

I watch these videos most of the time one after the other and so it is much better.

Robert
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: Etrsi_645 on March 20, 2012, 11:37:34 AM
To me the camera click had become the signature (audible logo, if you will) of the videos.
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: Chris Sanderson on March 20, 2012, 12:37:58 PM
To me the camera click had become the signature (audible logo, if you will) of the videos.
Well since the title is silent, maybe I'll sneak a click in there for the next lot - by popular request ;)
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on March 20, 2012, 01:28:03 PM
Well since the title is silent, maybe I'll sneak a click in there for the next lot - by popular request ;)
Instead of a simple click, how about the sound of cocking the focal-plane shutter on a classic Graflex, followed by the CLUNK as you release the shutter.  :D
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: Chris Sanderson on March 20, 2012, 01:59:20 PM
Instead of a simple click, how about the sound of cocking the focal-plane shutter on a classic Graflex, followed by the CLUNK as you release the shutter.  :D
Well! I want you to know that the sound effect used was recorded and heavily 'cooked' by yours truly and I will not undertake such radical change lightly!

But if you want to record something along those lines and send it to me I'd be happy to try it.

Maybe we can work out some secret audio code with the key based on the unique camera click... ::)
Title: Re: Advanced Guide LR4
Post by: John.Murray on March 20, 2012, 07:14:38 PM
Eric, Chris:  I do sound and recording for my local church.  I'll be sure to bring in my pristine Crown Graphic and capture a suitable recording over the weekend :)