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Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Digital Image Processing => Topic started by: Graham Welland on July 06, 2005, 04:20:57 am
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Which is a better tool, a hammer, or a screwdriver?
I fear that there's a potential analogy here for comparison of a chisel and a hammer/flat blade screwdriver ... :(
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Jon, Why not just say that the first time instead of being "cute?"
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I think one has to make some allowances for Jonathan. He appears to know his stuff well. He's a busy working professional and I'm surprised he finds the time to comment and offer advice in so many threads. I think we will all be the losers if we drive him away from the forum. I have rarely found him to be completely wrong on any issue.
Lack of bedside manners can be a common failing amongst experts. On the other hand, developing a thick skin is a necessity in this world.
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Howard as I say in a privated email to you, I'm an American citizen, My wife is an American as people call a white American and my two kids..
I apology if I offend any american, I guess my lack of Inglesh
I wrote maybe something to offend some one. I'm very sorry for that.
I didn't speak for what Jonathan wrote the time , in the passed, he just call people stupid, without any concideration,and because I'm coming from very poor country, and I know what I did to get my education, I feel sorry for those don't have the opportunity get the education the wish. So they come here ask a question, and because they don't know any better. They are stupid.
And really We or any one should just help, before make them, feel like trash
But, Ray, Howard lets move one, and ignored rude answer, I guess will be the best.
Thanks again
BlasR
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I'm back; I was traveling in Texas and wasn't able to connect to the internet as I had planned. I'm a bit surprised that my hammer/screwdriver analogy was deemed rude and offensive, but I'm not going to let that bother me, especially considering the source.
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Hello to all. What is the best to save in photoshop cs2?
16 or 32 bits? I used both mac and pc
Thank You
BlasR
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Hello to all. What is the best to save in photoshop cs2?
16 or 32 bits? I used both mac and pc
The only reason to save 32bit would be if you are using the HDR stuff - in which case you'll know whether you want to keep all that data or not.
Otherwise, 16bit is more than enough for anything you've captured digitally. It's a no brainer.
8 bit? Only for jpgs etc for final purposing. With CS/CS2 and the power of our Macs/PCs today there's no real reason to edit/save in 8 bit other than for final delivery.
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Which is a better tool, a hammer, or a screwdriver?
hammer... obviously.
Although that has no bearing on the 16/32 question
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Which is a better tool, a hammer, or a screwdriver?
hammer... obviously.
Although that has no bearing on the 16/32 question
Actually, it does. 32 bits is useful for HDR image editing, but is bloated overkill for standard editing; 16-bit is more appropriate for that. Each has a specific purpose, and neither is the best choice outside of their intended scopes of usage. Use the correct tool for the job.
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I can tell I'm going to really enjoy it here :D
Actually, it does
To you perhaps but I can promise you that any connection between my preference for a hammer over a screwdriver (in a sort of you can take one tool to a desert island type scenario) and the topic of 16 vs 32 bit editing is purely imaginary.
Anyway, apologies to BlasR for keeping this off topic.
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Hello again,
I didn't know the a question can be stupid. in spanish,(educater person) never think it is.
Inglesh is tought, difficult and Photography is almost the same..
I found the site by typing best camara...is how I find the site..got me to LL, I red and red finally I deside to support the site.
I didn't know what Michael was doing I only know was free of promoting any company so I desid to support it.
When you ask a question here you feel like stupid to ask, or some one make you feel stupid. I went to school for spanish I'm a Journalist,pilot ex profeccional boxer and a jockey, I know how to wright in spanish, flight, box and right a horse
I don't need a diccionary for spanish..For Inglesh I think I need it every other time some one wright someting, if my wife is not around.
Some people don't know to much. They ask to learn.
Then you ask the question in some one right away tell you, you are stupid!!!!!.
I like to know if the person had some college educacion.any education
It is sad to think the is better to ask the question and pay to some one, then have some one alway call you stupid..
It's a great site, and I hope just for couple people don't go away..
Will be difficult for me to ask again. Maybe some one ask or I way for my dvd
I never look for other site yet, but I think is time to start looking.
Thank You
Blas Reynoso
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Blas,
Hopefully you got at least one straight answer to your question from me....
(btw, I can't claim to be an ugly American as I'm English! I just live here in the madhouse).
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"I think one has to make some allowances for Jonathan."
Wrong, Ray. He should be held to the same level of manners as the rest of the folks here. It is not acceptable for "Jonathan to just be Jonathan" while the rest are expected to behave. His expertise is appreciated, but not his oft time manner of showing he thinks he is smarter than the rest of us. And he isn't always right.
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Which is a better tool, a hammer, or a screwdriver?
hammer... obviously.
Although that has no bearing on the 16/32 question
Actually, it does. 32 bits is useful for HDR image editing, but is bloated overkill for standard editing; 16-bit is more appropriate for that. Each has a specific purpose, and neither is the best choice outside of their intended scopes of usage. Use the correct tool for the job.
Anyone notice that this was Jonathan's last post?
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This isn't the law, but the law applies equally. Rudeness and arrogance are not diseases caused by bacteria or a virus. They are not genetic defects. They are not caused by accidents. They are learned behavior and a choice. They deserve no extras.
The case in point here was Jon opened and read the question, DECIDED it was beneath his dignity to answer correctly, so he shot back a rude and worthless response. That required more effort than moving on. Only when this was pointed out to him and he decided to defend his behavior did he provide a response.
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Being just a guest here since some days, I probably don’t know the whole story and should better keep my nose out of other people’s business -
however, I’ve often found that an arrogant answer can be an excellent opportunity to check how solid the expertise behind really is!
Isn’t it quite nice if an expert makes such an offer (though he may not be aware)? After such a prelude, who says that follow-up questions have to be defensive; e.g. for a translation of the oracle, an in-depth explanation deriving from this infinite wisdom, maybe an illustrative example / solid proof........
Finally, it’s just like boxing, or maybe judo, where you take advantage of an offense. The real personality test comes at the end – if both parties can leave with mutual respect.
Just a third opinion…….
Cheers! Peter
Munich, Ge
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Blais,
This is a great site with many helpful people who are genuine experts. You have caught several of them having a bad day, but don't take it personally. Sometimes interacting on forums requires having what we call a thick skin. People make remarks that can be biting, cutting & thoughtless. Your question was sincere, and deserved only helpful answers. But continue to stick around. Hopefully, next time you ask an innocent question, the responses will be far more less rude.And remember: when you are beginning, no question is a stupid question!
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Thank you, Jer. The point of my posts was to not simply answer the question, but to help readers of the thread gain a broader understanding of the question and the underlying principles. Give a man a thought, and you've answered one question. Teach a man to think, and he can figure out the answers to many questions on his own. This is more or less the essence of what is called "common sense", which seems to be becoming less and less common. Neither of my posts contained the word "stupid" or any such implication, nor was there any ridicule or mocking of Blas' grammar or spelling, which is certainly better than my Spanish.
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Which is a better tool, a hammer, or a screwdriver?
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well with a screwdriver I will open my pc fix my babies toys and so onnnn.
With the hammer I can smash some one head, then my live is over.
So I prefer the screwdriver to fix my babies toys.
I hope you understand.
Thank You
BlasR
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BlasR,
As an American, I apologize to you for Jonathan's behavior. I would like to think he is not typical. He is rude and arrogant and tries to show how much he knows by ridiculing those who ask questions or do not agree with him.
From some of his other posts, I can only assume he has not been to college and is "self educated" in photography. "Self taught," to me, is the same as home schooled but you are your instructor. You decide for yourself what you want to study (think you need to know) and what the right answers are.
Again, please do not think Jonathan represents Americans. If you do, we have truly earned the title of "Ugly American."
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That seems a very rigid point of view, Howard. Even in a fair and corrupt free judicial system, the law cannot (or should not if justice is to prevail) be applied equally to all offenders, because peoples' circumstances and needs vary enormously.
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Blas,
The Luminous Landscape is a wonderful website with many thoughtful, experienced and helpful people who contribute real knowledge to eachother including new-comers. However, being an open public resource, all kinds participate, and you may have heard the saying "it takes all types to make a world". I have at the same time much respect for Jonathan's technical expertise and serious reservations about how he sometimes treats people. But the important thing is not to let yourself be intimidated. It's what we call in English "developing a thick skin." You should feel relaxed and confident to use this resource to its best advantage, because it is one of the very best on the internet. Let the off-color comments in one ear and out the other, while you retain the good stuff you will get here.
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Very good advice, Mark! And might I make one more philosophical comment (without throwing fuel on the fire, I hope :) ); there's no insult that hurts as much as one that contains an element of truth.
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For the record: Johnathan's response was simply rephrasing BlasR's question to help him understand what he was asking. On it's own it's perfectly harmless. In fact it's a good lesson for those who are learning about asking questions. Granted BlasR's english isn't excellent and he was probably unable to catch his drift, but for the rest of you: come on. Perhaps somewhere else in these forums there's a reason for this resentment, but this can't be it.
Congratulations to everyone whose participated in this mind tingling lesson in manners. I can say I haven't been this engrossed about anything since last weeks oatmeal. Darn was that good. This is officially the lamest thread ever. Michael, will you put one of those locks on this thread like they do on that other nice forum?