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Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Adobe Lightroom Q&A => Topic started by: Schewe on March 10, 2011, 04:33:10 pm
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The RC's for Lightroom 3.4 (http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/lightroom3-4/) and Camera Raw 6.4 (http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/cameraraw6-4/) have been released at Adobe.Labs.com
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I don't know if anyone else has encountered this or not... (Windows 7 Home Premium, 32-bit)
Downloaded LR 3.4 RC, ACR 6.4 RC and DNG Converter 6.4 RC. ACR and DNG Converter installed fine. Tried to install Lightroom and Norton 360 says that the file is acting 'suspiciously' and deletes the file. Deleted the .zip file. Downloaded again. Shut down... restarted... same thing.
I'm not saying that the file is a security risk, only that Norton 360 believes it is. Never encountered that one before.
Mike.
(let Tom Hogarty know as well)
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Norton is evil <g> Ignore and install.
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Unfortunately, it won't let me. It deletes the file automatically. I'll have to find a way around it.
Mike.
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Norton...... ::)
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Windows >:(
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Windows >:(
Michael, you didn't just...
Ditch norton and go with ESET Nod32. A world of difference and no affect on background CPU performance.
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Ditch norton and go with ESET Nod32. A world of difference and no affect on background CPU performance.
Actually, I think Michael ditched Windows...
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Yes, it does require a certain level of sophistication to be able to use Windows effectively. ;)
Rule number 1 is to uninstall Norton, using something like ccleaner to get rid of all its nasty hidden bits, and then use a better protection system (even Microsoft security Essentials is better than Norton these days).
Eric
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There is nothing wrong with Norton.. 360 V5 is the best all around protection you can get imo.
And if you read the prompts it will easily solve the install problem with LR. You can tell it to restore and ignore any file that gives it trouble. You've just gotta read the prompts..
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Windows >:(
What?! It is 21st century and there are still some using it!?
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What?! It is 21st century and there are still some using it!?
Only those living above ground level..
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I can use it without resorting to wearing a hair shirt. ;)
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360 V5 is the best all around protection you can get imo.
"Norton" line it is just a version for dumb consumers... what you really need to use from Symantec is its Symantec Endpoint Protection line.
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Win 7, 64: Norton
LR 3.4RC installed just fine without a hitch.
Good Luck!
Wil
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"Norton" line it is just a version for dumb consumers... what you really need to use from Symantec is its Symantec Endpoint Protection line.
I reviewed it once.. it was aimed at other than home users and priced accordingly. Nice software though.
Norton Internet Security and 360 are very effective and have scored at or near the top of most comparisons, while requiring very little intervention on the users part. And at a price point (3 PC's for $59?) you can swallow. And it does this with a minimum amount of system resources. Over all, much improved over even 2-3 years ago.
And let's not pick on dumb consumers. They're helping Apple make record profits.. ;D
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... And let's not pick on dumb consumers. They're helping Apple make record profits.. ;D
A good one, Steve!
In defense of Apple customers, suffice to say they prefer to use their brains on things other than babysitting their pc (you know, frequent diaper changing, vaccinating, etc.) ;)
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A good one, Steve!
In defense of Apple customers, suffice to say they prefer to use their brains on things other than babysitting their pc (you know, frequent diaper changing, vaccinating, etc.) ;)
We do our best.. ::)
And yes, I do realize Apple customers have issues with multitasking.. ;)
In all seriousness I have recently decided it would behoove me to learn the Snow Dwarf OS. So.. I set out to my friendly Apple store to score a licensed copy of Snow Dwarf for the purposes of building a Hackintosh. The conversation was so funny I wrote it down, but suffice it to say I didn't get my copy. They claim they don't sell the OS by itself.
Upping the ante I look into a small 13" (I wanted a 12" but they don't make them) Macbookpro.. and discovered Steve Job's thinks I don't need an i7 for such a small screen. This surprised me as I greatly enjoy my 12" i7/8g RAM/SSD in my Lenovo x201s.. I find out to get the performance I desire, I'll have to lug around a laptop much bigger/heavier than I desire. Once more I went home empty handed.
I figure there must be a secret suggestion box somewhere at Apple HQ so I can drop a note letting Mr. Job's know my requirements are right along the lines of the mainstream PC user.
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Funny that all the Mac users end up paying almost twice as much for a computer that has essentially the same specifications in terms of power as a new Win7 machine. I've been running Win7 every since it came out and it's been rock solid on all of the applications I run. I do a fair amount of spreadsheet work and it's a joy. I've had as many as six applications open and running at a single time (including LR) and no glitches. You all can continue to enrich Steve Jobs or you can join the new wave to Win7 and buy a couple of lenses with the money you save.
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Heck, Alan, I'm running Vista Ultimate 64 and it has been rock solid. Go figure after all the bad press.
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... I figure there must be a secret suggestion box somewhere at Apple HQ so I can drop a note letting Mr. Job's know my requirements are right along the lines of the mainstream PC user.
And while you are at it, stop by Leica HQ and drop a note with your requirements for M9 to have a Smile Trigger and Art Modes. ;)
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Windows >:(
Hehe....Annnddddd we're off!
But seriously, folks - I wouldn't know what to do with an Apple if it fell out of a tree and hit me on the head.
Oh, and +1 for NOD32...
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Hehe....Annnddddd we're off!
Ya know...at some point it might be useful to get back to something REMOTELY on topic for the thread...otherwise you guys are just masturbating.
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And while you are at it, stop by Leica HQ and drop a note with your requirements for M9 to have a Smile Trigger and Art Modes. ;)
Ya know, not long ago Sony marketed a sort of 'robot photographer', a device you could set your camera in, and then set the entire setup in the middle of a party or event. It would rotate around searching for smiles and make captures automatically.
It just worked! ;D
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Hehe....Annnddddd we're off!
But seriously, folks - I wouldn't know what to do with an Apple if it fell out of a tree and hit me on the head.
Oh, and +1 for NOD32...
It just brings home the gravity of the situation. ;)
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Ya know...at some point it might be useful to get back to something REMOTELY on topic for the thread...otherwise you guys are just masturbating.
It was Michael who first raised the Windows issue; you might ask him why he felt the compulsion to pull the string on this trap!
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It was Michael who first raised the Windows issue; you might ask him why he felt the compulsion to pull the string on this trap!
+1.
Eric
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Ya know...at some point it might be useful to get back to something REMOTELY on topic for the thread...otherwise you guys are just masturbating.
Heeey! All work and no play!? Not Fair! ;)
On a more serious note, and to bring the discussion back to the topic, it would be interesting to know more about: "... [this release] also address a number of issues reported via customer feedback."
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>>Quote from: Schewe on March 11, 2011, 10:02:56 PM
Ya know...at some point it might be useful to get back to something REMOTELY on topic for the thread...otherwise you guys are just masturbating.<<
Quit knocking my hobbies!
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Ya know...at some point it might be useful to get back to something REMOTELY on topic for the thread...otherwise you guys are just masturbating.
All good natured I'm sure.
Personally the timing is right for me to find such banter useful. I've decided to learn Snow Dwarf and I'm currently debating the pros and cons of the OS, MBP's vs. the competition, and even creating a Hackintosh for learning purposes.
It's not that Win7 doesn't meet my needs, it does. And in ways I don't think Mac can, simply because the choices aren't there. It's just that a good number of my clients use Mac's and I'm tired of being less than knowledgeable on the subject. I'd be much more comfortable with a working knowledge of the OS and system.
And who knows, perhaps with that knowledge change will occur. I doubt it, but I'm open to the possibility.
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Steve, you are about where I was two years ago when I first bought a 13" MB just so I could be genuinely informed about both platforms. I found that I quite enjoyed being 'platform agnostic' and I enjoy both for their strengths. I now have a MBP 15" i7 and find it to be a superb laptop for the road and for presenting seminars. Its also, shock, good value as a laptop. I wish I could say the same about the Mac Pro, which is why I have a W7 box as my main machine.
I think you too will enjoy using both platforms.
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Just played with the RC version it on my mb-13" and it appears to be a bit faster, snappier. Will do similar testing on my W7 platform. I too am system-agnostic and glad that LR is available on both.
Anyone any idea on the other fixes and improvements made? The few things listed are new to me, so thusfar not experienced as an issue.
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Steve, you are about where I was two years ago when I first bought a 13" MB just so I could be genuinely informed about both platforms. I found that I quite enjoyed being 'platform agnostic' and I enjoy both for their strengths. I now have a MBP 15" i7 and find it to be a superb laptop for the road and for presenting seminars. Its also, shock, good value as a laptop. I wish I could say the same about the Mac Pro, which is why I have a W7 box as my main machine.
I think you too will enjoy using both platforms.
And an almost identical experience here. A MBP 15" which is excellent, and a new Win7 64 as my main machine. It never hurts to be informed when there are so many iBores around. It's also one of LR's great strengths that it doesn't force you to buy one brand of computer.
John
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Steve, you are about where I was two years ago when I first bought a 13" MB just so I could be genuinely informed about both platforms. I found that I quite enjoyed being 'platform agnostic' and I enjoy both for their strengths. I now have a MBP 15" i7 and find it to be a superb laptop for the road and for presenting seminars. Its also, shock, good value as a laptop. I wish I could say the same about the Mac Pro, which is why I have a W7 box as my main machine.
I think you too will enjoy using both platforms.
Thanks for the response Nick. I'll get there. Maybe. Every time I get an itch to try Mac I start researching a bit and then find PC hardware more suited to my needs. As an example: Last year I wanted a small field expedient computer 'device' to use for time lapse, focus bracketing, very long exposures, and exposure bracketing automation. It also needed to be fairly weather proof. Immediately the Ipad came to mind. After learning it didn't support any of the software I needed, the actual computing power was quite low, to expand the storage was Apple only, spare batteries weren't possible (a must for what I was planning).. I then started looking at netbooks and eventually ended up with my x201s Lenovo. I didn't look at cost so much, but at function, power, size, weight, and weather resistance. Netbooks ranged from 2.6-3 pounds. My x201s was 2.4 pounds. Sure, it cost a lot more, but my priorities were function/fit to my tasks, not price.
Another example: 3 years ago I ordered both a 17" MBP and a 17" Dell Precision Workstation. I ran them side by side for over two weeks and sent the Mac back. It's screen and graphics card weren't in the same league.
Now.. I think the MBP 15 and 17" models have improved quite a bit.. very competitive from a hardware point of view. In a few months I'll be replacing my 17" Dell Precision Workstation and once again I'll compare it to the MBP 17".. and maybe a Lenovo as I've been impressed with them lately. The W series are photographer centric.
My wife was hinting at me replacing her 12" laptop.. a base Pentium M machine she's had for years. Mac doesn't seem to have anything in 12 inches.. and she wants 12 inches.
I'm very interested in setting up an additional SSD on my main PC workstation to run Snow Dwarf from a Hackintosh config. Mac makes a nice large external trackpad so I could get the full experience. Swapping in one SSD for PC work, another for Mac work.. sounds ideal. I need to investigate this more.
Sorry for the verbosity.. but I wanted to show where my mind is on this. I think a lot of this comes down to Mac offering very little choice, and I'm the kind of person who likes to closely tailor my equipment for my needs and I don't mind spending a bit more to do it.
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Now.. I think the MBP 15 and 17" models have improved quite a bit.. very competitive from a hardware point of view. In a few months I'll be replacing my 17" Dell Precision Workstation and once again I'll compare it to the MBP 17".. and maybe a Lenovo as I've been impressed with them lately. The W series are photographer centric.
FWIW, I've heard the screen on the Dell Precision M6500 is quite good. It ain't cheap, but the specs are impressive.
Cheers,
Bart
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FWIW, I've heard the screen on the Dell Precision M6500 is quite good. It ain't cheap, but the specs are impressive.
Cheers,
Bart
The screen on my current M6300 was quite good as well. Unfortunately right after the 3 year warranty period the video card went bad.. Nvidia has a class action, settled, agreed to pay, arranged shipping, and are now appealing..
I know this isn't Dell.. it's Nvidia.. And I think Apple is included in this class action as well. The only place I can find a replacement video card wants $940.. it's a nice card but the entire machine working fine isn't worth $940 at this point. Eventually they'll repair it (hopefully) and I'll use it for something.. but the way Dell handled it, with me being a long time customer of theirs for over 15 years, over 7 units on their current active list, and I was told they couldn't help me. Maybe because of the class action their hands were tied. All the major leading brands use the components from the same companies. At this level, what makes one company stand out over the other, is the degree of service and willingness to keep a relationship going, especially after the purchase. After 15 years and over 15 machines (for family as well as my own use) Dell didn't see the value in keeping me as a customer. Maybe no company would have, but maybe it's time to give another company a chance.
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The screen on my current M6300 was quite good as well. Unfortunately right after the 3 year warranty period the video card went bad.. Nvidia has a class action, settled, agreed to pay, arranged shipping, and are now appealing..
At this level, what makes one company stand out over the other, is the degree of service and willingness to keep a relationship going, especially after the purchase. After 15 years and over 15 machines (for family as well as my own use) Dell didn't see the value in keeping me as a customer. Maybe no company would have, but maybe it's time to give another company a chance.
Video cards can be problematic for another reason. Most all cards are made by third parties who just purchase the core chipset from Nvidia or AMD (mfr of ATI) and problems can come up that are not the fault of the chip maker. I've always specified ATI chipsets for our computers because of occasional compatibility problems with Nvidia.
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Video cards can be problematic for another reason. Most all cards are made by third parties who just purchase the core chipset from Nvidia or AMD (mfr of ATI) and problems can come up that are not the fault of the chip maker. I've always specified ATI chipsets for our computers because of occasional compatibility problems with Nvidia.
I don't know, but I suspect.. I've had about 20-25 ATI boards through my shop over the last 18 months, many of them the same exact series but from different manufacturers. Removing the coolers and comparing them they often seem to be built on the same PC boards, same voltage regulators, same caps, same ports.. everything except the coolers and firmware seems to be the same. I've even transferred one set of firmware from a 5970 card to three other manufacturers 5970's.. and according to the info readers they all read as the same card, same manufacturer, etc.. I suspect ATI has a company which puts together the chipsets and boards.. then lets the different vendors (gigabyte, asus, HIS, etc) write their own firmware and specify their own coolers and port configurations. A guess, but it sure looks that way.
I also stopped using Nvidia for several years, except for their Quattro workstation cards as they've remained excellent. Their drivers were at issue more than their hardware. But before that ATI cycled through similar problems. Today they both seem okay, we're lucky to have so many good choices. For what we do I still give the nod to ATI at the consumer desktop level, but to Nvidia at the workstation level.. their Quattro cards really outperform their ATI counterparts.
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On a more serious note, and to bring the discussion back to the topic, it would be interesting to know more about: "... [this release] also address a number of issues reported via customer feedback."
couple of examples :
1) Panasonic GH2 raw files demosaicking maze issue was solved (apparently, at least on the raw file used as an example) = http://forums.adobe.com/thread/782122
2) Sigma raw files NR issues were not solved = http://forums.adobe.com/thread/791442 : that ACR/LR are using 1) old style NR 2) you can't switch NR off 3) Adobe DNG converter applies NR during .X3F to .DNG conversion thus destroying the original raw data completely (one more nail into the coffin of people who are suggesting to use DNG as archival format).
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One more tedious nitpicking comment?
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I don't know, but I suspect.. I've had about 20-25 ATI boards through my shop over the last 18 months, many of them the same exact series but from different manufacturers. Removing the coolers and comparing them they often seem to be built on the same PC boards, same voltage regulators, same caps, same ports.. everything except the coolers and firmware seems to be the same. I've even transferred one set of firmware from a 5970 card to three other manufacturers 5970's.. and according to the info readers they all read as the same card, same manufacturer, etc.. I suspect ATI has a company which puts together the chipsets and boards.. then lets the different vendors (gigabyte, asus, HIS, etc) write their own firmware and specify their own coolers and port configurations. A guess, but it sure looks that way.
I also stopped using Nvidia for several years, except for their Quattro workstation cards as they've remained excellent. Their drivers were at issue more than their hardware. But before that ATI cycled through similar problems. Today they both seem okay, we're lucky to have so many good choices. For what we do I still give the nod to ATI at the consumer desktop level, but to Nvidia at the workstation level.. their Quattro cards really outperform their ATI counterparts.
You could be correct, I've really never compared the cards since our computers haven't broken down! My 1 GB Radeon 5770 has been working fine; the only minor issue is to remember to check for driver updates every six months or so since an occasional Windows update can lead to some flaky behavior.
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One more tedious nitpicking comment?
what is "nitpicking" about Adobe DNG converter destroying original raw data w/o any warning ? now that is not something like masked to light areas from the sensor that we have w/ some Pentax and Nikon raw files... that is the image data.
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You could be correct, I've really never compared the cards since our computers haven't broken down! My 1 GB Radeon 5770 has been working fine; the only minor issue is to remember to check for driver updates every six months or so since an occasional Windows update can lead to some flaky behavior.
I've had six defective ATI boards over the last six months. 3 were 5770's. All three were factory overclocked, and all three had noisy coolers that started 'rattling' as they had time on them. 2 were 5970's, same cooler rattle issue. The best solution to each one was an Arctic Cooler. The 5970's triple fan Arctic cooler addition went from idles of 80c and highs well over 100c, to idles of 45c and highs not even 80c. Big difference and silent too. A single fan Arctic cooler on the 5770's brought similar results.. but unfortunately these end up taking an extra slot width over stock, so it wasn't always possible to achieve the fix this way. Some we just exchanged for new ones. When doing a build, if given the choice and we have the room, I'll put an Arctic Cooler on the GPU every time. You end up with greatly reduced GPU and subsequently reduced case temps and much lower noise levels.
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I've had six defective ATI boards over the last six months. 3 were 5770's. All three were factory overclocked, and all three had noisy coolers that started 'rattling' as they had time on them. 2 were 5970's, same cooler rattle issue. The best solution to each one was an Arctic Cooler. The 5970's triple fan Arctic cooler addition went from idles of 80c and highs well over 100c, to idles of 45c and highs not even 80c. Big difference and silent too. A single fan Arctic cooler on the 5770's brought similar results.. but unfortunately these end up taking an extra slot width over stock, so it wasn't always possible to achieve the fix this way. Some we just exchanged for new ones. When doing a build, if given the choice and we have the room, I'll put an Arctic Cooler on the GPU every time. You end up with greatly reduced GPU and subsequently reduced case temps and much lower noise levels.
I haven't had that problem but thanks for the information. I'll probably build my own computer from scratch next time and keep this cooling approach in mind. The only issue I had was the screen sometimes did not come back on after coming out of sleep mode. It was right after one of the major Windows updates and I finally figured out that maybe the driver was flaky. Updated the driver and no more problems.
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I haven't had that problem but thanks for the information. I'll probably build my own computer from scratch next time and keep this cooling approach in mind. The only issue I had was the screen sometimes did not come back on after coming out of sleep mode. It was right after one of the major Windows updates and I finally figured out that maybe the driver was flaky. Updated the driver and no more problems.
Many people don't notice the fan rattle because the rattle is less loud than their power supply or system fans. I take a small amount of pride in building PC's that you can't hear even if setting on the desktop (and not the floor) in front of you. The last one I built is here (http://www.bangkokimages.com/Articles/Equipment/entryid/944/Mini-Tower-i7-950-Workstation-Build.aspx), unfortunately I was unable to use an Arctic Cooler on the 5770 because it was a very small case using a MATX board and there just wasn't enough space after installing the OCZ PCIe Revo Drive.. Yet its so quiet, setting on the desktop in front of you, the video card fan is the loudest thing you hear.. it's very soft, but if it started rattling it would become very annoying. The worse ATI fans that rattle are on the 5880/5970 and their 6000 series counterparts. After a month or two the bearing develops play and the rattle begins.
The 5770 doesn't run hot unless under load, but check it out in the ATI Overdrive part of your software. With an Arctic Cooler you can get it to idle at ambient temps, and not rise above 70-75c during full load.. and that would be rare. They're cheap and easy to install and the gains are very real.. so I'll always add one if I can.
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what is "nitpicking" about Adobe DNG converter destroying original raw data w/o any warning ? now that is not something like masked to light areas from the sensor that we have w/ some Pentax and Nikon raw files... that is the image data.
The same old marginal value info that's not worth debating with you.... Best let the dog keep his bone.
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I haven't had that problem but thanks for the information. I'll probably build my own computer from scratch next time and keep this cooling approach in mind. The only issue I had was the screen sometimes did not come back on after coming out of sleep mode. It was right after one of the major Windows updates and I finally figured out that maybe the driver was flaky. Updated the driver and no more problems.
What has all of this got to do with an update to a Lightroom & Camera raw update? ???
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I don't know if anyone else has encountered this or not... (Windows 7 Home Premium, 32-bit)
Downloaded LR 3.4 RC, ACR 6.4 RC and DNG Converter 6.4 RC. ACR and DNG Converter installed fine. Tried to install Lightroom and Norton 360 says that the file is acting 'suspiciously' and deletes the file. Deleted the .zip file. Downloaded again. Shut down... restarted... same thing.
I'm not saying that the file is a security risk, only that Norton 360 believes it is. Never encountered that one before.
Mike.
(let Tom Hogarty know as well)
I just installed the release candidate ACR on my Win 7 64 bit laptop running Norton Security Suite 4.3.0.5 with no problems and it is running fine.
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The same old marginal value info that's not worth debating with you.... Best let the dog keep his bone.
sure, at least you are not disputing the facts that Adobe DNG converter does not preserve the original raw data...
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sure, at least you are not disputing the facts that Adobe DNG converter does not preserve the original raw data...
Sure it does, if you set it to do so (RTFM).
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sure, at least you are not disputing the facts that Adobe DNG converter does not preserve the original raw data...
Not quite - just letting you keep chewing away on that bone of yours.
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Ya know, not long ago Sony marketed a sort of 'robot photographer', a device you could set your camera in, and then set the entire setup in the middle of a party or event. It would rotate around searching for smiles and make captures automatically.
It just worked! ;D
Still available on Sony P&S. Soon to be available on everything else, as this sort of stuff is about all that's left for the marketing people to flog. Nikon's already got it.
The first company that comes up with a 'Wedding Mode' will make a killing.
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Sure it does, if you set it to do so (RTFM).
it does not for Sigma raw files, I suggest you to get a Sigma raw file (get ISO3200 to see it more clearly) and try it instead of making fool of yourself.