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Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Printing: Printers, Papers and Inks => Topic started by: buckshot on February 14, 2011, 05:22:58 am
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Does anybody know of any place in Canada where you can buy one of these for a price close to what they're selling for in the US?
FYI:
Best price I've found in the US = $2199
Best price I've found in Canada = $5900 (Ouch!!)
Thanks.
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Just order one from the US, or at least get a quote. You may be surprised at how reasonable freight charges can be. I did have to pay an entry preparation fee of $175 plus GST costs by the customs brokerage , but I get the GST back. I was peeved that HP and Canon were not doing any rebates in Canada and the price in the US was way cheaper even without the rebates which I could not get anyways as I am in Canada.
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Just order one from the US, or at least get a quote. You may be surprised at how reasonable freight charges can be. I did have to pay an entry preparation fee of $175 plus GST costs by the customs brokerage , but I get the GST back. I was peeved that HP and Canon were not doing any rebates in Canada and the price in the US was way cheaper even without the rebates which I could not get anyways as I am in Canada.
I'm waiting for a quote from Atlex at the minute - fingers crossed. There's always the concern though about warranties - I don't know if HP Canada will honor the warranty of a product originating in the US.
I can accept a difference of a couple of hundred bucks...heck, even a thousand dollars all things considered (being very generous)...but a difference of almost $4k is...quite frankly...an abomination of unprecedented proportions...even taking into account that well worn argument of 'economies of scale.' HP should hang its head in shame.
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I purchased my IPF8300 from the US had it shipped to a border storage company and went and got it myself with a rented truck. I cleared the printer myself through customs saving $150 brokerage fee. The forms are dead simple to fill out. They had a computer with a guide book on what to do. It took all of 5 minutes to fill out. I even got an import/export number through the government of Canada website. Again, very easy to do.
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Hey Buck,
Check your private messages.
Thanks,
John
856-787-9200
www.shadesofpaper.com
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I purchased my IPF8300 from the US had it shipped to a border storage company and went and got it myself with a rented truck. I cleared the printer myself through customs saving $150 brokerage fee. The forms are dead simple to fill out. They had a computer with a guide book on what to do. It took all of 5 minutes to fill out. I even got an import/export number through the government of Canada website. Again, very easy to do.
That was my plan A, but the freight shipping was very reasonable and I am 7 hrs from the border, plus the printer may have not fit in my truck stress. I think I could have done the paper work myself as well instead of using a third party brokerage, but I did not have time to figure that out at the time.
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FYI:
Best price I've found in the US = $2199
Best price I've found in Canada = $5900 (Ouch!!)
Best price in Australia = $12,100 :(
Seeing the Aussie dollar is around parity with the USD, how do you think we feel?
I bought my Z3100 44 near launch for 14,000 in Australia!
Evo
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Australia ... land of the great electronic ripoff ... have to echo your thoughts and experiences ... Z3100 plain 24inch for 8400 back in Oct 2007.
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Hi, would you be so kind to tell your source of $2199. in the US? Thanks in advance
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Yeah, I was going to ask the same question - where can I get one for $2200....seems like a tremendous deal.
Sean
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Atlex.com - here's the link (http://www.atlex.com/hp_designjet_wide_format_printer.htm).
$2199 for the standard 44"
$2499 for the postscript version 44"
Use 'Add to cart' to see the real price.
[I'm beginning to think that the rest of the world has to pay over the odds in order to keep the US price so low ;)]
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Atlex.com - here's the link (http://www.atlex.com/hp_designjet_wide_format_printer.htm).
$2199 for the standard 44"
$2499 for the postscript version 44"
Use 'Add to cart' to see the real price.
[I'm beginning to think that the rest of the world has to pay over the odds in order to keep the US price so low ;)]
Thank you for the link - very helpful.
Sean
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;D
I had to registered to this forum to say "THANKS!" for the original poster for this deal.
If you check with itsupplies dot com (same company as altex.com), they are selling the Z3200ps for 2399 with free freight delivery in the US.
I'm planning to have it freight delivered to a UPS warehouse for holding until I pick it up on arrival. (also coming back to toronto)
How on earth can these prices be this low?
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Has anyone actually bought a Z3200 printer at these prices? Is there a catch? ;)
Evo
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Yeah the catch is, it's most likely a type-o, especially since they have the 24" for a grand MORE (normal price).
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Yeah the catch is, it's most likely a type-o, especially since they have the 24" for a grand MORE (normal price).
No it isn't. I've had similar figures quoted from a number of different sources. As a result of aggressive selling, sometimes combined with specific promotions (in the US at least), the 44" is available (for now) at a price point well below the 24".
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It's NOT a typo... I have a printed confirmed invoice and UPS tracking number indicating it's on it's way.
As Buckshot mentioned, there's some really aggressive discounting on the 44 inch model where they are just cheaper than the 24 inch models. (by quite a bit!)
It's Christmas in March, folks ;) Get it while you can!
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Gee, if only I could get it cheaply to Australia!
Evo
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This sort of less than half price sale has usually been a clearance sale as a precursor to a new model replacing the old one. I found the same pricing at Itsupplies and B&HPhoto so it is definitely an HP factory approved pricing.
Any new product news?
Jim
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Gee, if only I could get it cheaply to Australia!
Evo
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Find out how much it weighs and check with Quantas or other air carriers to find out how much it would be to send it air freight. Also find out how much it would be if it was part of your "luggage". Might be worth a round trip flight to the US.
And I know the following may sound silly, but...... I knew a guy who had to regularly fly with many (10-15) large cases (say 2ft x 2ft x 4ft) of film and video, lighting and audio equipment 20 years ago. He told me that he'd load them all up in his small truck and head for the airport. He'd go to the curbside baggage checkin and ask one of the baggage handlers for help. He'd tell him what flight he was on, open the back of the truck, ask if he could get these checked onto the flight, and then hold out a $100 tip. Nine times out of ten, he said the baggage handler would check them all in and he'd not be charged anything additional. Might not work today, with all the security requirements, etc, but it worked for him back then.
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Hi Brad, yeah would be nice but I think unlikely these days! The 44" is on a pallet and is very heavy.
I used to work for a TV station and when we flew There were always excess baggage costs but I wasn't paying!
I am flying to the US next week and may look into freight options whilst there but my old Z3100 44 is still fine so no real need.
Evo
an iPad 2 is on the cards though!
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Anyone know if this is a precursor to a new model intro?
Or just a market share food fight?
The lack of competitive tradein as in previous food fights makes me think the former.
Jim
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I just picked up my Z3200 PS 44" unit yesterday from UPS freight in Buffalo. I purchased through Atlex and had no problems. In a few hours I was printing 20x24 prints that were amazing. The Atlex deal is for real, trust me.
Does anyone have any recommendations for photo paper? I tested Epson lustre and HP satin, I like the Epson feel, but there are so many papers to choose from. My primary use is photo printing, so I'm looking to emulate traditional lab prints. The Epson lustre is very close. Is there a better paper for the Z3200?
Thanks,
Dan
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Great Dan, well done on such a bargain! What did it end up costing if you don't mind?
We do lots of portraits too and we use 36" HP ID Premium Satin or Everyday Satin as the HP papers are way cheaper for us here in Australia. Don't like the HP watermark on the back though. Does the Epson Lustre have a watermark? We put gloss enhancer on the whole sheets too to help reduce bronzing etc.
Evo
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Oh man I'm jealous of you guys getting this killer deal!!! You are going to LOVE the printers!!
I HIGHLY recommend the Pro Satin paper, it's very lovely for color work. I love the ILFORD GALERIE GOLD FIBRE SILK for B&W too!
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The HP Prof. Satin Photo RC shows some aging issues compared to other RC papers. Check Aardenburg's results. So far I have printed on HP ID Premium qualities that print well and I expect the Everyday types act similar. All with less FBA in the coating than Prof Satin has. But with logos printed on the back.
Canon has an RC paper, Canon Heavyweight Satin Photographic Paper 300gsm, that scores extremely well in Aardenburg's tests but I do not know how it behaves with HP inks + gloss enhnacer. No idea whether it has logos at the back. With that name I can not get it in Europe, here it could have another name.
I did recieve the Epson Proofing White SemiMatte. still have to test it. The RC paper with no FBA aboard but good white reflectance. Epson logos in very light grey, hardly visible on the backside.
met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst
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Evo,
The Z3200 cost me $2400+tax US, shipping was free. The Epson lustre does have a faint watermark. There is supplier in Toronto called CCBC, I think they might have a variety of papers to offer.
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Does anyone know if this is an inventory clearance sale in preparation for a new model?
We've long planned to upgrade to a Z3200 44" once my daughter finishes grad school which happens this May. Her B9180 is on its last legs.
But I'd rather get her a new model rather than a closeout.
Thanks
Jim
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It is my understanding that there is not another model coming out. The price is just crazy awesome, I have to say.
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This sounds as if HP may have produced too many of these printers relative to the market and they are trying to slim the inventory by holding a sale in the USA, which is not being extended to Canada. I have no idea - just a hypothesis based on what I'm reading here. For the sake of current owners and prospective buyers I hope it is not that they are planning to vacate this market segment. I haven't heard any such rumours, but when you see massive sales, you want to know why - and excess inventory is the most usual culprit.
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I bought mine from Atlex two weeks ago for $2149 delivered, and it arrived two days after order. I wasn't even in the market for a 44" printer at the time, but who could resist?
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So far I have printed on HP ID Premium qualities that print well and I expect the Everyday types act similar. All with less FBA in the coating than Prof Satin has. But with logos printed on the back.
I bought a couple of 42" rolls of HP Prem ID Satin that had no logos printed on the back and was hoping HP had gotten a clue and this was a permanent improvement. Did they go back to printing the HP logo on the back?
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Those prices went back up about today by about $500. Hope everyone who wanted a z3200 got the deal!
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I wonder why not back to list price?
Jim
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Ouch, pricing is way up now.
Anyone know of another source for a good price on the z3200?
Thanks!
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I've been using the HP Pro Satin for years and the weight, surface, and gamut is perfect for this printer.
However, as you can easily see on the Aardenburg fade test results with samples some of us submitted, that the white paper base is using some kind of oba that is not holding up very well.
So, after I got my Canon I started using the Canon Heavyweight Satin and I really love this paper and the fade tests show it holding up quite well. Its slightly heavier than the HP Pro Satin. It has a nice base color to it, not the strange cyan color of the HP ID Satin. And, like Pro Satin it doesn't have the logo on the back.
It has a texture similar to the old Kodak N surface, which is very slightly textured but not that horrible pebbly texture of Epson Luster. The gaumt and sharpness are great.
Definitely try this one out. Its a quality paper for the price. The only downside it they make it in 42" rolls. Why? You got me. That makes no sense whatsoever but I live with it.
john
The Epson lustre is very close. Is there a better paper for the Z3200?
Thanks,
Dan
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Actually, Canon Heavyweight Satin is also available in 17", 24" 36" and 60" in addition to the 42".
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Yes but not 44" which is what most of us use in this size printer. I still don't get what the point of making a 42" paper is? My silk comes in this size roll too and they just won't change despite everyone pleading with them to.
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I don't understand the 42" either. But do you really need the extra 2"? I mean, I don't think I print over 40". I guess it all depends what you're doing though.
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The only downside it they make it in 42" rolls. Why? You got me. That makes no sense whatsoever but I live with it.
john
I think it is because 42 inches is exactly divisible by 8 inches, so you can cut seven 8 inch wide (by 10 inch long) prints across the width with no waste. In the U.S. 8x10 inch prints are a "standard enlargement size" for photo applications whereas the 44 inch roll width is divisible by 11 inches and thus related to graphic arts standard page sizes. Since Canon HWsatin is an RC photo type inkjet paper, the available roll sizes (16 inch, 36, and 42 inches) reflect the roll width usefulness for the intended photographic print market.
cheers,
Mark
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I think it is because 42 inches is exactly divisible by 8 inches, so you can cut seven 8 inch wide (by 10 inch long) prints across the width with no waste.
I'm glad I didn't post this.
:-)
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Uhhhhh..... Mark, recheck your math. Seven 8" prints are 56" wide. One could get five 8" prints with one inch left over on each end, or six 5"x7"or seven 4"x6" or three 11"x14" all in landscape position with no waste.
Rich
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There have always been 42"printer models in HP's catalog. I do not think there is more logic about it than that. I recall that we had a discussion way back why the Epson printer size was ever set at 44", nobody could understand that either.
met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst
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Just order it online...
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It certainly isn't a huge deal, it's just that I don't understand why they do it. If you have a 44" printer it is nice to have that extra space for nice borders, especially on say a 40x60 inch print you can have 2" boarders on each side for either matting or if using magnets to display. You have a nice looking border to do that with. It looks a lot nicer than 1" borders on each side.
There is something to this 42" size though because Breathing Color makes their canvas in both 42" an 44" widths. But if all these printers using this media are 44" it just seems odd to me to have to buy a roll 2" shorter than that capability. And yes I make all my test prints 8.5x11 which comes out perfectly on the 44" width.
I don't understand the 42" either. But do you really need the extra 2"? I mean, I don't think I print over 40". I guess it all depends what you're doing though.
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I'm glad I didn't post this.
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me bad ;) Brain freeze. I was thinking 6 times 7 but wrote 8 times 7. Six times seven is still in line with the point I was originally trying to make, that 42 inches will fit multiples of many standard US photo sizes, e.g. 4x6 inch, 5x7 inch, 11x14, and even 4 8x10 inch portrait mode where 10 inch left over can then be used to lay out landscape 8x10 and other multiples of smaller standard US photo print sizes). Many photo labs get requests for print packages of these multiple sizes, so 42 inch width does make some sense for nesting prints that have standard US photo sizes.
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Wow, thanks for the heads-up on Atlex.com!
It seems crazy that a Canon 8300 is only $400 more than the 6300, and now I'm considering a 44" printer just for kicks. :o
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Just make sure you have at the very least 4 strong guys to move it. We moved mine with only three of us moderate strength guys and it was not the way to do it. It could have been a bad scene.
Canon recommends using 6 people. With my HP Z, my little 110 lb girlfriend and I turned it over and set it up ourselves. The Canon is a monster but I don't regret the effort one bit. Just be careful and plan ahead.
j
Wow, thanks for the heads-up on Atlex.com!
It seems crazy that a Canon 8300 is only $400 more than the 6300, and now I'm considering a 44" printer just for kicks. :o