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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: Dennis Carbo on November 07, 2010, 10:28:11 am
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Hi All................Captureshop 6.0 Available for download on the sinar site now
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Thanks!
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Really dumb question, actually 3 really dumb questions:
What is the difference between Captureshop and eXposure?
I never shoot tethered. Is there any reason for me to use Captureshop instead of eXposure?
I read that Raw Developer reads eMotion raw files. Does this mean without first using eXposure or Captureshop?
Thanks,
Mitchell
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<<What is the difference between Captureshop and eXposure?>>
CaptureShop allows shooting in multishoot mode with 23H, 43H, 44H, 54H and eVolution 75 H and 86 H backs. The new program should allow the direct export in DNG mode. Whoopee.
Thank you, Graham (because I began to lose patience ...)
PdF
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Thank you Denniscarbo!
Please excuse my confusion, due to an excessive enthusiasm.
(And hello to Graham, also enthusiastic !)
PdF
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What is the difference between Captureshop and eXposure?
Sinar decided to build all the features into one piece of software (Captureshop) and discontinue eXposure. So now the one package supports all the Sinar backs (even going back many years, as I understand) and a DNG workflow too.
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Thanks Pdf and Graham (you always have great info).
So I guess I'll be downloading Captureshop.
Best,
Mitchell
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<<Sinar decided to build all the features into one piece of software (Captureshop) and discontinue eXposure>>
I don't think so. Sinar should continue to develop two programs in parallel. Exposure is dedicated to 1 shot backs and CaptureShop to multishots.
PdF
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Wasn't eXposure funded and owned by Jenoptik,
so now that Sinar is flying solo = CaptureShop 6.0
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Sinar decided to build all the features into one piece of software (Captureshop) and discontinue eXposure. So now the one package supports all the Sinar backs (even going back many years, as I understand) and a DNG workflow too.
I don't like almost all decisions made by Sinar since the time they fired Thierry and start to reform their business, but this one is THE smart move, IMHO.
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Dennis,
Have you used the version 6.0 Captureshop? Any problems?
Has anyone who previously used Exposure with the Sinar 75 back, begun using the 6.0 version of Captureshop?
Jerry
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I´m testing tethered (10m Firewire cable) right now - Capture Shop 6.0b12 on Mac Book Pro (3 GHz Intel Core 2 duo) OS X 10.6.4 with Mamiya 645 AFDII and Sinarback eMotion 75LV Firmware 5.10. No probs so far. I see no important or negativ differences between TIFF 16 BIT file exported thrue the Capture Shop 6.0b12 and 16 BIT dng file imported directly in to the Photoshop CS4 (Adobe Camera Raw 5.5).
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Davor,
Thank you for sharing your favorable experience. I will look forward to any updates that you might provide later. I am shooting with the Hy6 (I see that I did not mention that in my original post).
Jerry
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I've just been using the captureshop 6 and for me eXposure is now redundant, its native format is dng which was the overriding isssue for digitisation projects I'm working with.
export function is also largely redundant.
Speed is at least as fast as CS5.6.6 with a 54 single shot around 20 images per second cycle time at 1/10th sec exposure on an older G5 with 2.5Gb ram
the only reason for eXposure I think is for eSprite users to download files but this is cabe-less back with native DNG
Edwin
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Edwin,
Thank you for your unqualified endorsement of Captureshop, and with the particulars about the speed with which you have been able to process images, on example computers, by which others can compare their results. Great stuff.
Jerry Reed
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Writing files to the CF card - which the new firmware seems to have fixed, the HY6 captured the image to the CF card, and read the file into CP 6.0. Here is what I experienced with CS 6.0. I am unable to EXPORT, using the "EXPORT" feature reach via the menu above the work area, or using the right click menu. Also using the MAGNIFIER tool (ZOOM) shuts down the application, but will resume, after clicking the "resume and report to apple" button in the dialog box.
Any ideas?
Jerry
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Writing files to the CF card - which the new firmware seems to have fixed, the HY6 captured the image to the CF card, and read the file into CP 6.0. Here is what I experienced with CS 6.0. I am unable to EXPORT, using the "EXPORT" feature reach via the menu above the work area, or using the right click menu. Also using the MAGNIFIER tool (ZOOM) shuts down the application, but will resume, after clicking the "resume and report to apple" button in the dialog box.
Any ideas?
Jerry
Hi Jerry, it might help if you write more informations about your configuration here and also provide this information with the description of your problem directly as email to tech@sinar.ch
The best you can do is, that you go to your "about this mac" go for "more informations" and then you can save in system-profiler the information about your computer and to attach that file to the email with the description of the problem. Capture Shop 6.0 is beta 12, so it is still not perfect and I´m sure, Sinar will be glad to have this informations ASAP to solve the problem.
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Last year Thierry Hagenauer gave me this advice : " A general remark: set the exposure time in Captureshop equal or (better) longer than the time you have set on your camera. This makes sure that the sensor does not get light from the camera when already reading the data out. "
Do I have to do the same with this verion of Captureshop ?
Thanks a lot
Luis
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Luis,
I am not shooting tethered. I am using the HY6; writing to the CF card. Then removing the CF card and reading the files into Capture Shop 6.0
Jerry
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Last year Thierry Hagenauer gave me this advice : " A general remark: set the exposure time in Captureshop equal or (better) longer than the time you have set on your camera. This makes sure that the sensor does not get light from the camera when already reading the data out. "
Do I have to do the same with this verion of Captureshop ?
Thierrys remark is still valid. It depends on your configuration. If you are using what Sinar calls "Master Mode", you can set the exposure time independently on the camera and on CaptureShop. To get good pictures though, you need to follow Thierrys advice. The Software has to wait at least, until the shutter is closed. Therefore, the exposure time in CaptureShop needs to be set to the same value as on the camera or longer.
Martin
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Martin,
I must be missing something that is obvious to everyone but me. If I am NOT shooting tethered, the CAPTURE function of CS 6.0 is not active. There is not a way to set the exposure time. The information in the CAPTURE PANEL is blank.
I am shooting my Hy6 with a cord connected Broncolor flash with the Hy6 shutter speed (exposure time) of the camera set to 1/200th of a second.
That would be quite short as far as CS is concerned, would it not?
CS opens the files and reads them into CS via a firewire card reader using the BROWSER feature. The ZOOM function stops the operation of CS. It can be re-started, by clicking the button provided.
Jerry Reed
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Hi Jerry,
the topic concerning the exposure time was a specific answer to galupi20. With the Hy6 you don't need to sync exposure times.
I sent you a PM with some questions to investigate the problem.
Martin
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A new version is available for download
http://www.sinar.ch/en/downloads/category/2-sinar-captureshop
This fixes the problem with opening images that some users encountered.
Martin
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Martin,
Thank you for jumping on this problem and resolving so quickly.
Jerry
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Does anyone know if CS 6.0 supports the SinarBack54(FO) Fiber Optic models?
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Does anyone know if CS 6.0 supports the SinarBack54(FO) Fiber Optic models?
Yes, the Fiberoptic models are also supported. Capturing is of course only supported on PowerPC systems with PCI/PCI-X slots as you need the fiberoptic PCI card.
Martin
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I thought you needed OSX 10.6.4 or better for CS6? I dont think that OS will run on PowerPC will it ?
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I thought you needed OSX 10.6.4 or better for CS6? I dont think that OS will run on PowerPC will it ?
No, Minimum requirement for G5 is 10.4.11 which is what I have. It is also the recommended.
I'm seeing now that the manual is saying it supports FO models. I didn't recall seeing that info in the b12 release but I may have just overlooked it. I'll be installing this on Monday. Planning to upgrade my processing workstation for 10.6.5 and am hoping to run CS6 on that and capture from my G5.
Will be nice to have true multiprocessor support for exporting large groups of images.
-Scott
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I thought you needed OSX 10.6.4 or better for CS6? I dont think that OS will run on PowerPC will it ?
CaptureShop 6 runs on PowerPC. 10.6.4 is the recommended platform for new Macs. For mor details, please see the readme.
Martin
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CaptureShop 6 runs on PowerPC. 10.6.4 is the recommended platform for new Macs. For mor details, please see the readme.
Martin
Any problems with 10.6.5?
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Martin,
Might consideration be given to including some of the refined adjustment features found in eXposure, but not available (yet) in CS 6?
Examples; the vertical f-stop marks in the adjustment curve, and the EXPOSURE COMPENSATION adjustment panel.
Jerry Reed
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exposure compensation is here, but not active by default. place the cursor in the process area and press together mouse button and ctrl button and you will see the the submenu where you can choose not activated features. also, you can go to programms->captureshop 6.0, click on the ctrl button, tap on the capture shop icon and then show contents to find additionaly help files on capture shop. you can also use this link (http://www.sinar.ch/en/downloads/category/14-software?download=23%3Asinar-captureshop-5-6-3-en)- no big difference between CS 5.6.3 and 6.0 in usability.
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I am using a MAC with Snow Leopard. This combination does not provide the response that you indicated. Left clicking the mouse while holding COMMAND (WACOM) does not produce the option previously described.
Jerry Reed
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I am using a MAC with Snow Leopard. This combination does not provide the response that you indicated. Left clicking the mouse while holding COMMAND (WACOM) does not produce the option previously described.
Jerry Reed
Jerry, I don´t know, how your WACOM is working, but if you have a keyboard, then you can easily make a click anywhere in the process column by holding the ctrl button at the same time. I have also Mac with Snow Leopard.
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A control click on one of the 'Process' panels should bring up this:
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My mistake. I was pressing COMMAND and clicking. You were writing CONTROL. Okay, I am a little slow. Thank you for your patience.
Jerry Reed
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CS5 or Bridge, or Photoshop CS5, or Camera Raw 6.5 does not want to open my saved sti 16shots files to DNG files. Different versions have been updated yet. What are your experiences on this? Will I have better luck installing Lightroom?
PdF
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CS5 or Bridge, or Photoshop CS5, or Camera Raw 6.5 does not want to open my saved sti 16shots files to DNG files. Different versions have been updated yet. What are your experiences on this? Will I have better luck installing Lightroom?
PdF
Hi Pdf,
Do you mean you converted them in CS6 to a DNG then tried to open with ACR ? ACR and bridge will not open a STI file , you need to export them from CS6 as a different format THEN open in ACR
Regards,
Dennis
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I see that the sensor orientation panel has been removed in 6.0 and that if you relaunch 5.6.6 it is also gone. Why?
When you export out of 6.0, dng is not an option. It does capture dng but you can not export except to tif, jpg, png or psd.
Only if you open the file and do a save can dng be an option. It does capture dng to where you designate the contact sheet to be.
If trying to export an .sti from 6.0 you can't export as dng. You have to open the file and then do a save as for dng to be an option.
The dng saved from an .sti file will not open in camera raw. The error message is attached.
eVolution 75H
Sinar P3
firmware 2.3
Mac Pro 10.5.8
2x3 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
9 GB 667 MHz DDR2 FB-DIMM
Adobe Photoshop CS5 12.0.1 x64
Adobe Bridge 4.0.3.9
Adobe Photoshop Camera Raw 6.2.0.29
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Just installed CS6 on my capture station. After reboot I received the attached warning.
Now I can not get either CS6 or CS5.6.3 to recognize my camera.
I don't have an installed for 5.6.3 so I can't reinstall it. 5.6.6 is the only one available it it requires Leopard. I am still on Tiger. Has anyone else had this problem? I am dead in the water until I can get this resolved.
-Scott
UPDATE: I managed to get the back working again by installing a copy of 5.6.1 that I had lying around. I was then able to launch into and use 5.6.3. So whatever extensions that are installed by 6.0 seem to be the cause.
At least I can shoot again. I still want to know how to get 6.0 to work properly though.
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Hello museumbrich4d,
> I see that the sensor orientation panel has been removed in 6.0 and that if you relaunch 5.6.6 it is also gone. Why?
I can assure you, it has not been removed. If the orientation sensor is activated, manual orientation setting is disabled. Thus the panel is not shown. If you want to set the orientation manually, you need to uncheck the usage of of the orientation sensor in the hardware setup.
> When you export out of 6.0, dng is not an option. It does capture dng but you can not export except to tif, jpg, png or psd.
> Only if you open the file and do a save can dng be an option. It does capture dng to where you designate the contact sheet to be.
That is the right behavior. DNG is a raw format. Export is used for "finished" image formats.
> If trying to export an .sti from 6.0 you can't export as dng. You have to open the file and then do a save as for dng to be an option.
For conversion of one raw image format to another you need to use the save as funktion. As written above, the export is only for the other formats.
> The dng saved from an .sti file will not open in camera raw. The error message is attached.
Camera Raw 6.2.0.29 is fine and should read the CaptureShop DNGs without problems. I am going to send you a PM.
Martin
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Just installed CS6 on my capture station. After reboot I received the attached warning.
Now I can not get either CS6 or CS5.6.3 to recognize my camera.
I don't have an installed for 5.6.3 so I can't reinstall it. 5.6.6 is the only one available it it requires Leopard. I am still on Tiger. Has anyone else had this problem? I am dead in the water until I can get this resolved.
-Scott
Dear Scott,
I am sorry for this inconvenience. Somehow the installer did not manage to set the correct rights of the driver. Thus Tiger does not want to load it. I am going to send you a PM to resolve that issue with you.
Martin
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CS5 or Bridge, or Photoshop CS5, or Camera Raw 6.5 does not want to open my saved sti 16shots files to DNG files. Different versions have been updated yet. What are your experiences on this? Will I have better luck installing Lightroom?
PdF
Everything is now O.K., after a good restart ...
Not only the new sti files register perfectly to dng (and Bridge, Camera Raw, Photoshop and - soon - Lightroom 3), but also the "old files" stored and accessed via the Contact Sheet screen.
A question to Martin (whom I thank for his intense activity, and efficacity): what is the utility of the cadenas on the lower left edge of some images (photographed in CS5) of the Contact Sheet?
PdF
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CS5 or Bridge, or Photoshop CS5, or Camera Raw 6.5 does not want to open my saved sti 16shots files to DNG files. Different versions have been updated yet. What are your experiences on this? Will I have better luck installing Lightroom?
PdF
Everything is now O.K., after a good restart ...
Not only the new sti files register perfectly to dng (and Bridge, Camera Raw, Photoshop and - soon - Lightroom 3), but also the "old files" stored and accessed via the Contact Sheet screen.
A question to Martin (whom I thank for his intense activity, and efficacity): what is the utility of the cadenas on the lower left edge of some images (photographed in CS5) of the Contact Sheet?
I suppose, you mean the padlock? This shows, that these images have a read only status. CaptureShop 6 can open these images but will not write any changes to them.
The padlock will appear, if your image is on a read only device like a CD or DVD or if the file is write protected in the filesystem. The padlock also shows on images with previous CaptureShop file formats. These have the same status: They can be read, but will not be altered by CaptureShop 6.
There will also appear a notification as soon as you change something on these images like e.g. white balance. It says that you may modify the settings, but the changes will not be written to the file.
Martin
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Thank you, Martin !
PdF
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Just installed CS6 on my capture station. After reboot I received the attached warning.
There is a new beta available now that fixes this problem.
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I installed it right away, and then tested after reboot. It is O.K. for me. Thank you, Martin.
PdF
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CS6.0b16 worked for me on my Tiger machine. So far no issues. It's much faster.
I'll report any issues I find.
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CS6 is a constant pain with my Macbook Pro and Leopard 10.5.8/Mamiya 645 AFD combination
Luis
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CS6 is a constant pain with my Macbook Pro and Leopard 10.5.8/Mamiya 645 AFD combination
Luis
Hi, Louis... could you be more specific?
Do you think that a faster computer would help?
What Mac Book pro do you have?
I have MBP 17", 4 core, 8Gb memory, Snow Leopard... would that make a difference?
Does CaptureShop make good use of 4, 8, 12 cores?
Would it be better on a Mac pro with SSD boot/scratch?
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Hi Dick. Thanks for your answer. If someone by Sinar tell me that it is a hardware and not a software problem I "must" make the upgrade because I only have Mamiya 645 AFD/RZ67 Pro II /Sinar 54M combination.
Luis
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Just another bump of the topic. The Beta 17 is online, which features the simple but often requested feature of batch renaming. I you don't like to read readmes: Select the thumbnails to rename and use right click.
DE:
http://www.sinar.ch/de/downloads/category/2-sinar-captureshop
EN:
http://www.sinar.ch/en/downloads/category/2-sinar-captureshop
Martin
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I was trying the latest version 6.0b17 and no problem with Mamiya AFD II/Sinar 54M combination with my Macbook Pro Mid 2009/Mac OS X 10.5.8/2Gb RAM
Luis
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Final Version ( not Beta ) of Captureshop 6.0 released.
http://www.sinar.ch/en/downloads/category/2-sinar-captureshop
Luis
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How does it interface with the iPhone/iPad and the Sinar eShutters?
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I am working with a Hy6 with 75e and captureshop 6.As soon as I connect the CF card in the card reader and have the cs open, the card reader closes and I can not take the photos.
Any ideas?
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Will there be support for Colorchecker SG in Captureshop?
Can I take calibration images (white reference and color calibration) in untheathered mode?
Tomas
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Has anyone used Captureshop 6 with the M shutter and 54H in 4 pass mode?
We are experiencing blooming on all images born in Captureshop 6, this usually occurs where the highlights blow out or in areas of the file that have sharp contrast / high frequency. In testing, we have used the same camera build same set, same everything using both Catureshop 5.6 and Captureshop 6.0.1 and every time the Captureshop 6 images an not usable. We have gone back to 5.6. Has anyone experienced this issue, any fixes out there?
Thank You!!
Carl