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Title: L-L Guide to Capture One 5 Pro
Post by: Chris Sanderson on June 13, 2010, 11:58:03 PM
I have posted the Luminous Landscape Guide to Capture One 5 Pro in the store's Specials section (http://store.luminous-landscape.com/zencart/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=243)

It is currently missing a few files which will be added over the course of the next week. Some of the Table of Contents and descriptions may be inaccurate for the next day or two...

I have priced it at 10% off the full price until it is complete.

The 5.1 Update video (File 25) will go up within 24 hours.

Chris
Title: L-L Guide to Capture One 5 Pro
Post by: Ralph Eisenberg on June 14, 2010, 04:39:52 AM
Quote from: Chris Sanderson
I have posted the Luminous Landscape Guide to Capture One 5 Pro in the store's Specials section (http://store.luminous-landscape.com/zencart/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=243)

It is currently missing a few files which will be added over the course of the next week. Some of the Table of Contents and descriptions may be inaccurate for the next day or two...

I have priced it at 10% off the full price until it is complete.

The 5.1 Update video (File 25) will go up within 24 hours.

Chris

Good news. As you observed, several files are not listed or up yet. As a long term user of CO Pro (since v1 on the Mac), I'm definitely looking forward to viewing the tutorial.
Title: L-L Guide to Capture One 5 Pro
Post by: Chris Sanderson on June 14, 2010, 09:41:46 PM
All files are now up except for the final short file about Walter Borchenko's Capture-U (https://secure.capture-u.com/index.php)

Chris
Title: L-L Guide to Capture One 5 Pro
Post by: James R on June 15, 2010, 12:14:34 AM
I just purchased the video and watched the first few chapters.  After years, you tend to develop your own workflow, which might not use some good features of C1.  So, its worth the 44 bucks.
Title: L-L Guide to Capture One 5 Pro
Post by: Ralph Eisenberg on June 15, 2010, 02:17:10 AM
Quote from: Chris Sanderson
All files are now up except for the final short file about Walter Borchenko's Capture-U (https://secure.capture-u.com/index.php)

Chris

From what I have seen so far, these are very instructive, informative and helpful tutorials from which I've learned a great deal. I'm sure that I'll be using the program more effectively from now on. However, I've been encountering problems with file # 25, which may require your attention, as it doesn't appear to open properly (on the Mac).
Title: L-L Guide to Capture One 5 Pro
Post by: James R on June 15, 2010, 10:56:21 AM
Quote from: Ralph Eisenberg
From what I have seen so far, these are very instructive, informative and helpful tutorials from which I've learned a great deal. I'm sure that I'll be using the program more effectively from now on. However, I've been encountering problems with file # 25, which may require your attention, as it doesn't appear to open properly (on the Mac).

I'm unable to download 23, 24, and 25 (Mac).  I'll try 23 and 24 again.
Title: L-L Guide to Capture One 5 Pro
Post by: Chris Sanderson on June 15, 2010, 11:25:37 AM
File 25 appears to be corrupt - it has been removed

It actually needed to be changed in any event since there are now only 24 videos not 25.

The 5.1 revision video will be in File 24. The Table of Contents will be revised. Files 25 & 26 will then remain placeholders for possible future videos.

Apologies for this. All the corrections should be made by midnight EST. The product will be made 'live' in its own section of the store tomorrow - Wednesday, June 16

Chris
Title: L-L Guide to Capture One 5 Pro
Post by: Ralph Eisenberg on June 15, 2010, 11:39:19 AM

Thanks.

This is a very edifying and, I'm afraid to say, entertaining series. Of course, that there is no coupon along with the tutorials for a Phase back and some Schneider lenses comes as a bit of a disappointment.
Title: L-L Guide to Capture One 5 Pro
Post by: James R on June 15, 2010, 01:47:24 PM
Quote from: Ralph Eisenberg
Thanks.

This is a very edifying and, I'm afraid to say, entertaining series. Of course, that there is no coupon along with the tutorials for a Phase back and some Schneider lenses comes as a bit of a disappointment.

Yeah, like 40% off!
Title: L-L Guide to Capture One 5 Pro
Post by: hubell on June 15, 2010, 02:32:57 PM
I bought the Capture One Tutorial and hope it covers a workflow that "ignores" the use of Sessions. I want the program to work the way I like to work in terms of file downloading to my desktop, importing, and file organization, rather than being forced to follow a workflow using Sessions that I can't (and don't want to) get my head around.
Title: L-L Guide to Capture One 5 Pro
Post by: Morris Taub on June 16, 2010, 08:33:21 AM
Quote
Ralph Eisenberg @ Jun 15 2010, 08:39 AM) *
Thanks.

This is a very edifying and, I'm afraid to say, entertaining series. Of course, that there is no coupon along with the tutorials for a Phase back and some Schneider lenses comes as a bit of a disappointment.


Quote from: James R
Yeah, like 40% off!

40% would be good
Title: L-L Guide to Capture One 5 Pro
Post by: Jack Flesher on June 16, 2010, 10:03:34 AM
Quote from: hcubell
I bought the Capture One Tutorial and hope it covers a workflow that "ignores" the use of Sessions. I want the program to work the way I like to work in terms of file downloading to my desktop, importing, and file organization, rather than being forced to follow a workflow using Sessions that I can't (and don't want to) get my head around.

You can ignore sessions by simply ignoring them. (But then you lose a huge amount of the programs file management flexibility...)  Simply use the browser to browse any existing folder of images on your system, regardless of how it was created, and process directly from that. Note when you first browse to said folder, C1 may need a few seconds to build and load it's previews. You should then select a desired output folder similarly, wherever you want it to be.

The only minor pitfall for someone as voraciously against sessions as you seem to be, is that C1 will open in it's default session because that's how it works.  Here, if you do NOT manually choose your desired output folder, it will automatically use the default session's output folder, which is the CaptureOne/Output subfolder inside your /system/User/Pictures folder...

Cheers,
Title: L-L Guide to Capture One 5 Pro
Post by: deejjjaaaa on June 16, 2010, 11:40:33 AM
Quote from: Jack Flesher
Here, if you do NOT manually choose your desired output folder, it will automatically use the default session's output folder, which is the CaptureOne/Output subfolder inside your /system/User/Pictures folder...

or for example in "Process Recipe" -> Root Folder = "Image folder"
Title: L-L Guide to Capture One 5 Pro
Post by: tho_mas on June 16, 2010, 06:24:13 PM
I've purchased the video and watched it yesterday.
It's a great introduction to the tools and capabilities of Capture One and it's nice to learn something about the background of the tools!

I am finding two points a bit misleading:

1. is smart saturation in the basic color editor
This is certainly a very helpful feature as it helps to avoid color clipping.
However in the workflow outlined in the video - working with camera profiles as working space (that's what I do as well) - you have to think about this.
An increase of saturation in the basic Color Editor shrinks the camera profile, i.e. smart saturation physically compresses the input profile (unlike an increase of saturation in the advanced Color Editor).
So if we talk about the limitations of AdobeRGB (or so) with regard to print this is at least worth a note.
See here -
wireframe: original camera profile
white (inner): the camera profile after an increase of global saturation (+30) in the basic Color Editor
colored (outer): the camera profile after an increase of global saturation (+30) in the advanced Color Editor
[attachment=22640:ColorThink_Graph.jpg]

2. is color preferences
The setting of the rendering intend only comes into play when the target profile (or the monitor profile) is table based (typically printer profiles).
If the target color space (set as recipe in the output tab) is matrix based (such as AdobeRGB, sRGB, ProPhoto etc.) the only possible rendering intend is relative colormetric anyway.
(see: http://tinyurl.com/3x5z7or (http://tinyurl.com/3x5z7or) )
Too, if you use the camera profile as working space the setting is almost meaningless.
However the setting also affects the translation to the monitor profile (again: only if the monitor profile is table based) … but I think for the translation to the monitor profile any other setting other than relative colormetric doesn't make any sense.
Bottom line: default should be relative colormetric IMO but you may switch to perceptual when you are working with a printer profile set as output- or proof profile in C1.
This is BTW why I'd highly welcome a switchable CMM in C1 so that we can utilize AdobeCMM (AFAIK in Adobe applications the color conversion to the monitor profile is always rel. colormetric… independ of your customized color settings. Too, - and maybe more important - we C1 users could utilize the same BPC that ACE uses in Photoshop).
Title: L-L Guide to Capture One 5 Pro
Post by: K.C. on June 16, 2010, 06:43:59 PM
I'm glad to read some positive reviews. The example with Michael nodding and saying ' ah ha' few times isn't too impressive.
Title: L-L Guide to Capture One 5 Pro
Post by: tho_mas on June 16, 2010, 07:02:48 PM
Quote from: K.C.
I'm glad to read some positive reviews. The example with Michael nodding and saying ' ah ha' few times isn't too impressive.
Well, honestly I was expecting some more in depth discoussion of workflow options and especially the interaction of tools/adjustments (like the example of the interaction of inverse color edits and global saturation in one of the last chapters… which I found very good).

However it depends how experienced you are with C1.
If you are new to C1 this video is mandatory.
If you are a long time C1 user but only use the default workspace and only the basic features the video is also highly recommended.
Although you will only learn about the potential of customizable tools and such… not how to customize them for a certain workflow.
If you are very experienced and already have figured out your own way through the software it's possibly just a nice, entertaining thing to look through.
All in all I'd say it's quite balanced to adress beginners as well as to some extend advanced users.
Title: L-L Guide to Capture One 5 Pro
Post by: Chris Sanderson on June 16, 2010, 07:22:08 PM
Many thanks for your comments. The Capture-U (https://secure.capture-u.com/) offer made at the end is specifically for those who need to delve further into C1 than those 5 1/2 hours allowed us.

Chris
Title: L-L Guide to Capture One 5 Pro
Post by: michael on June 16, 2010, 07:35:22 PM
Thanks for your polite follow-up Chris.

Next time we'll do the 10 hour version, take an additional 6 months to edit it, and charge $150. Six or even eight people might buy it, but by then Phase will probably be shipping a version that's two increments further on.

Sigh,

Michael
Title: L-L Guide to Capture One 5 Pro
Post by: James R on June 17, 2010, 03:51:31 AM
Quote from: hcubell
I bought the Capture One Tutorial and hope it covers a workflow that "ignores" the use of Sessions. I want the program to work the way I like to work in terms of file downloading to my desktop, importing, and file organization, rather than being forced to follow a workflow using Sessions that I can't (and don't want to) get my head around.

I felt about "Sessions" much like you.  However, I recently gave in and tried using their process and it works great.  BTW, you decide where the Capture Folder is located if you don't like C1's default location.  The video covers Sessions in #2 or 3.  You should give it a try, you might like it.
Title: L-L Guide to Capture One 5 Pro
Post by: James R on June 17, 2010, 04:13:56 AM
Quote from: michael
Thanks for your polite follow-up Chris.

Next time we'll do the 10 hour version, take an additional 6 months to edit it, and charge $150. Six or even eight people might buy it, but by then Phase will probably be shipping a version that's two increments further on.

Sigh,

Michael

Michael,

I was self-taught on C1 and now realize I wasn't using the program very efficiently.  Walter did a great job explaining the program and gave a lot of time saving tips.  The forty-four bucks is drop in the buck if it saves you time and improves the output file.  

C1 has been long neglected in the area of training.   You guys did a great job.
Title: L-L Guide to Capture One 5 Pro
Post by: Morris Taub on June 17, 2010, 11:53:39 AM
just wondering how relevant this guide will be for me having just bought Capture One 5, not the 'pro' version...

I did go through the C1 to C1 pro differences list...some major things not included C1 5 are the styles tool, rgb levels and curves, lens correction, dust spots, and customizing the work space...

my primary conversion and pp tools are lightroom 3 and CS5...but on certain images I like to do versions using alternate converters for my nef files...I use Raw Photo Processor and also, now, C1...tried the trial and I liked the way it handles nef files...I only do alternates on important images...i find that for detail, color, etc., they all create different results when they spit them out as tiff or psd's...

anyway, that's my short story...I'm thinking the guide will prove useful, I'm a beginner with C1, so feeling my way around, i do see the phase one site has many videos to look at...I haven't gone through them yet...

thanks

M
Title: L-L Guide to Capture One 5 Pro
Post by: AS1 on July 21, 2010, 10:55:00 PM
[quote name='tho_mas' date='Jun 16 2010, 06:02 PM' post='371493']
Well, honestly I was expecting some more in depth discoussion of workflow options and especially the interaction of tools/adjustments (like the example of the interaction of inverse color edits and global saturation in one of the last chapters… which I found very good).

I agree; I was disappointed with the tutorial, it seemed to lack the level of detail and depth that the  printing tutorial with Michael and Jeff Schewe had (that was excellent!). In many cases it's a simple overview of the tools in C1, but without enough explanation beyond the basics.

The chapter on B/W is unusual in that there is no information on converting files to b/w, and no information on the C1 profiles.It's really more of a discussion of b/w photography (which is fine but not what the tutorial is supposed to be about). Despite Walters fondness for the color editor, he inadvertently misses one of the pitfalls of using the tool. In correcting a cool color cast in the sample still life image you can clearly see a bottle cap changing in color from blue to black! This is one of the reasons this tool is so difficult to use.... you have to be very careful that the color you're correcting is ONLY in the area you want corrected, and nowhere else in the photograph!
C1 is a fantastic tool, great software, and I can't fault Walters enthusiasm for photography (and C1) but the video is best as a basic introduction.
Title: L-L Guide to Capture One 5 Pro
Post by: tho_mas on July 22, 2010, 11:35:19 AM
Quote from: AS1
Despite Walters fondness for the color editor, he inadvertently misses one of the pitfalls of using the tool. In correcting a cool color cast in the sample still life image you can clearly see a bottle cap changing in color from blue to black! This is one of the reasons this tool is so difficult to use.... you have to be very careful that the color you're correcting is ONLY in the area you want corrected, and nowhere else in the photograph!
here activating "view selected color range" helps a lot. then fine tune the selected color in the color wheel and/or adjust the "smoothness" of the selected color...
Title: L-L Guide to Capture One 5 Pro
Post by: AS1 on July 23, 2010, 12:39:49 AM
Quote from: tho_mas
here activating "view selected color range" helps a lot. then fine tune the selected color in the color wheel and/or adjust the "smoothness" of the selected color...

I agree... but that's the type of info I was hoping would be in the tutorial!
Title: L-L Guide to Capture One 5 Pro
Post by: K.C. on July 23, 2010, 02:05:39 PM
Quote from: Morris Taub
just wondering how relevant this guide will be for me having just bought Capture One 5, not the 'pro' version...

The standard version of C1 5 is missing quite few of the key features of the Pro version.

I recently went to help a friend who was new to C1 5 and had only the standard version. Everything I wanted to show her was missing.

I'd put your $40 towards the pro version and then try Capture U, IMHO.
Title: L-L Guide to Capture One 5 Pro
Post by: Morris Taub on July 25, 2010, 08:26:57 AM
Quote from: K.C.
The standard version of C1 5 is missing quite few of the key features of the Pro version.

I recently went to help a friend who was new to C1 5 and had only the standard version. Everything I wanted to show her was missing.

I'd put your $40 towards the pro version and then try Capture U, IMHO.

thanks K.C.
Title: Re: L-L Guide to Capture One 5 Pro
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on August 12, 2010, 05:19:54 AM
I am the same way...Sessions? Who needs sessions? :-)

One of these days James, I might give in to try...But honestly, if you can give me 3 reasons, It would nudge me a bit.
Here is a breif flow if it helps you apply to my need...

I shoot with computer A... files go to server X.... and I process/edit with computer B. 
How is Sessions going to manage a folder structure I have already setup for 30 to 40 clients with thousands of images that have a paricular role(meaning they are for different publishing reasons, or for web? 

I make the clients folder; CLIENT1(or what ever the name)....Then a CAPTURE folder (contain the raw captures), Then an OUTPUT (C1 processed files) folder.  I make my final edits in Photoshop and place in the EDITS folder. Then I have a JPEG folder for approvals, and a SUBMIT folder for files I intend for clients.

I say this as I am open ears, if anyone has a better flow.


Anyway.  I am glad Michael and team put out a video on C1 ... it was about time, and having your tutorials on other topics Michael, I can't see even the profcient user with even slight curiousity, or even a dark area using C1 go wrong purchasing this instruction. 
Title: Re: L-L Guide to Capture One 5 Pro
Post by: robgo2 on August 17, 2010, 02:57:21 PM
I am the same way...Sessions? Who needs sessions? :-)

One of these days James, I might give in to try...But honestly, if you can give me 3 reasons, It would nudge me a bit.
Here is a breif flow if it helps you apply to my need...

I am an amateur, not a commercial photographer, so, obviously, my needs differ from yours.  I like Sessions for the very useful Move To folder, where I place those images which I want to edit, and the Favorites folders that allow me to organize a project by subject, location etc.  Albums can be used in a similar fashion.  I also like having all of the processed images collected in the Output folder, where I can easily find them when I want to open them in Photoshop.  This is certainly not the only possible C1 workflow, but it is one that I find simple and efficient.

Rob
Title: Re: L-L Guide to Capture One 5 Pro
Post by: alain on July 30, 2011, 03:32:50 PM
Hi

How useful is the tutorial when using c1 pro version 6?

Alain
Title: Re: L-L Guide to Capture One 5 Pro
Post by: Chris Sanderson on July 30, 2011, 04:15:39 PM
The only way I can honestly answer that is to say that the tutorial still sells and we get v. positive feedback.

Chris
Title: Re: L-L Guide to Capture One 5 Pro
Post by: kuau on August 03, 2011, 09:59:34 AM
Chris

in regards to the tutorial, which 6.0 features are not covered in the 5.0 tutorial?

Steven
Title: Re: L-L Guide to Capture One 5 Pro
Post by: Doug Peterson on August 03, 2011, 11:21:56 PM
in regards to the tutorial, which 6.0 features are not covered in the 5.0 tutorial?

http://www.captureintegration.com/2010/12/01/capture-one-6-ten-best-changes/
http://www.captureintegration.com/2010/12/28/hdr-via-lcc/

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Title: Re: L-L Guide to Capture One 5 Pro
Post by: kmeyers on January 30, 2012, 01:46:09 AM
I'm new to digital capture. I come from 8x10 and the darkroom where I'm a proficient photographer and printer...

First off, you can spend a fortune on digital capture equipment, software etc.  So far, I would have to say this has been the best $40 dollars I have spent.  If you pick up even a few techniques/uses after watching the videos, wouldn't that be worth it? I have version 6 and the version 5 training gets it done. Thank you Michael and Walter.  I still have a very steep mountain to climb, but you helped get me to base camp.

Ken
Title: Re: L-L Guide to Capture One 5 Pro
Post by: jessuca09 on February 06, 2012, 02:07:06 AM
I just purchased the video and watched the first few chapters.  After years, you tend to develop your own workflow, which might not use some good features of C1.  So, its worth the 44 bucks.




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Title: Re: L-L Guide to Capture One 5 Pro
Post by: cole2010 on February 21, 2012, 08:03:32 AM
(http://www.herfree.com/avatar1.jpg)I'm unable to download 23, 24, and 25 (Mac).
Title: Re: L-L Guide to Capture One 5 Pro
Post by: Chris Sanderson on February 21, 2012, 01:03:45 PM
(http://www.herfree.com/avatar1.jpg)I'm unable to download 23, 24, and 25 (Mac).
What happens when you try?

BTW, C1_25.zip has nothing in it