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Site & Board Matters => About This Site => Topic started by: Photo Op on March 28, 2010, 02:47:29 pm
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Here goes. The original topic that contains the words found in the Title of this thread has been closed, so I can't make the comment there. And at the risk of being called a fanboy on several levels, I would like to request that the Forum Owner ban the author of the phrase for at least 10 years. As a fat, old, hairy reader of this forum, I take offense to that characterization. No suspension, no probation..just make him history. AND, make the announcement as the last entry in the Topic, so any like minded authors can have pause for thought.
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Oh Michael, you spoilsport.
And it was just getting good . . .
John
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And it was just getting good . . .
:~)
Well, poor Jerry thinks he's "special" because Adobe and NAPP decided to do a last minute wide beta release for purposes I'm not at liberty to completely explain (but DID have to do with the platform Jerry uses). And I do know the circumstances regarding the NAPP testers involvement and what rules have been set and the primary motive was for technical testing not so much marketing...
Jerry seems to think I've had a falling out and I'm no longer a "beta tester" for Adobe...which is really pretty funny because he's essentially correct...I don't do a lot of "beta testing" anymore because I don't have the time for it (although I do submit bug reports). I do a lot of engineering development and consultation on Camera Raw, Lightroom and Photoshop. Which is, of course, not beta testing but still subject to NDAs...
I'm actually not in the least bit pissed off by the phrase "fat, old, hairy friend". It's both descriptive and accurate; I am a friend of Andrew and I am fat, old and hairy.
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Well, poor Jerry thinks he's "special" because Adobe and NAPP decided to do a last minute wide beta release for purposes I'm not at liberty to completely explain (but DID have to do with the platform Jerry uses).
Well he’s somewhat special at least as a “Super Moderator” over on the ProPhoto forums where he feels its OK to delete posts where he’s called out for the same issues discussed here. So he’s both a special late beta tester who needs to hone his Photoshop skills and a censor. Now I do know who I feel more sorry for, its Adobe.
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I'm actually not in the least bit pissed off by the phrase "fat, old, hairy friend". It's both descriptive and accurate; I am a friend of Andrew and I am fat, old and hairy.
It's classic, isn't it - no-one here is ever going to forget this piece of Sunday afternoon nonsense. And I am also old, hairy, short and bald into the bargain. But still tolerably slim
John
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...And I am also old, hairy, short and bald into the bargain.
Ah, well, if you throw in SHORT & BALD into the equation, then if the guy had said "old, hairy, short, bald & fat" then I would be pissed...I'm not short and while my forehead has grown, I hate being called "bald".
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I'm actually not in the least bit pissed off by the phrase "fat, old, hairy friend". It's both descriptive and accurate; I am a friend of Andrew and I am fat, old and hairy.
Nothing wrong with being old and hairy, Jeff. But not even the American health reforms will save you from the consequences of obesity.
Provided your heart is okay, can I suggest 2 month's trek in the Himalayas, at least 8 hours every day. This is a most enjoyable way of losing weight. You can partake in your passion for photography at the same time whilst burning off the fat. The combination of altitude sickness and plain food also helps reduce your appetite and contributes towards further weight loss.
You'll soon be so slim and dapper, you'll hardly recognise yourself .
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Nothing wrong with being old and hairy, Jeff. But not even the American health reforms will save you from the consequences of obesity.
Well, I'm taking steps to deal with the morbid obesity–literally. (don't ya just love medical terms?)
I workout for 1.5 hrs 3 days a week and walk 1.5-2 miles (30 minutes) for the other 2 weekdays. My problem now seems to be the weekends...I will say my cholesterol is better than Obama's and my blood pressure is well under control.
I added a lot of weight post 2007 when I quit smoking. The goal of this year is to get below where I was when I quit then keep going...
As for the "old" not sure what I can do about that...when it comes to hairy, no way will I EVER not have a beard (too friggin' lazy to shave–plus it hurts) and not having a pony tail isn't an option either...
So...the only thing it looks like I have the power to modify in the "Your fat, old, hairy friend..." phrase is the fat parameter.
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I workout for 1.5 hrs 3 days a week and walk 1.5-2 miles (30 minutes) for the other 2 weekdays. My problem now seems to be the weekends...I will say my cholesterol is better than Obama's and my blood pressure is well under control.
I added a lot of weight post 2007 when I quit smoking. The goal of this year is to get below where I was when I quit then keep going...
Sounds like a good start. Weight lifting is more efficient for weight loss * than cardio, but it's better to do something than nothing. Also, diet is one third of keeping in shape (the last being proper rest), so all sugars should be minimized for starters.
* when people talk about weight loss they usually mean fat weight loss. One can gain weight but look leaner since muscle is more dense than fat.
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Geez! This thread is getting out of hand. All this talk about weight loss, cardio and cholesterol is down right depressing. This is not the tone I come here to read about from the Harley rider (that might get "him" going).
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This is not the tone I come here to read about from the Harley rider (that might get "him" going).
Harley? What planet are you from dooode?
I ride a BMW R1200 GS Adventure (http://www.motorcycle.com/specs/bmw/on-off-road/2010/r/1200-gs-adventure.html)...This is my new bike. My old 1996 R1100 GS got traded in with 96K miles.
Harley? Really?
Why? The beard?
Heck, even the current Hell's Angles president is riding BMW now...
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Harley? What planet are you from dooode?
I ride a BMW R1200 GS Adventure (http://www.motorcycle.com/specs/bmw/on-off-road/2010/r/1200-gs-adventure.html)...This is my new bike. My old 1996 R1100 GS got traded in with 96K miles.
Harley? Really?
Why? The beard?
Heck, even the current Hell's Angles president is riding BMW now...
Now you're making me feel bad - I'm waiting for the weather to get better here so I can pick up my Harley (http://accessories.harley-davidson.com/cat/beautyspreads/FXCWC.jpg) (in red) from the shop.
No facial hair here, overweight is muscle mass and midlife is still several years off
That's a nice BMW, though.
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Harley? What planet are you from dooode?
That's better. I was starting to think you were mellowing on us.
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Oh Michael, you spoilsport.
And it was just getting good . . .
John
Not me, I've been off line all day. Must have been my alter-ego.
Michael
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Now you're making me feel bad - I'm waiting for the weather to get better here so I can pick up my Harley (http://accessories.harley-davidson.com/cat/beautyspreads/FXCWC.jpg) (in red) from the shop.
Funny that you say it's in the shop–which when I did have a Harley that's exactly where it spent a lot of time at. I switched to BMW (and the GS in particular) because I could load my computer and some cameras/lenses and go 500-700 miles a day no problem. Ya see, I'm about 1,000 miles from really nice riding and it just takes too long if you only do 250 miles a day like most Harley riders :~)
So, what model is your red one?
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It's classic, isn't it - no-one here is ever going to forget this piece of Sunday afternoon nonsense.
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Ah, well, if you throw in SHORT & BALD into the equation, then if the guy had said "old, hairy, short, bald & fat" then I would be pissed...I'm not short and while my forehead has grown, I hate being called "bald".
How about follicley challenged?
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Who owned this Harley?
Oh, it was my FLSTS alright...but I didn't put over 3,000 miles on it before I sold it. My 1996 R1100 had 96,000 miles on it when I traded it in last year...
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Jeff, are we old????.... Damn, I thought our age bracket was the new 30?
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As an all life european motorcycle rider, I agree that with BMW you eat miles better than with any other bikes,
but they are for reasonably aged, riders.
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Go full frame,
Shave your hairy body
make exercice to keep body-shape
and then,
Ride Kawasaki!
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Harley Davidson Is:
Noisy - like a compact cam
Slow, heavy and expensive - like a MFD
Unreliable - like Foveon
Unstable - like color profiles
Ugly - like the Pentax 645
Accurate vibrations for massage body seekers
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BMW is:
Extremely ugly - like a Kiev camera
Very reliable, heavy and expensive - like MFD
Stable germanic - like a Leica
Boring - like a Pentax K7
Confortable - like a Contax
The choice of reason when travel with package.
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Kawasaki is:
Fast, heavy and reliable - like a Canon D1 MK3
Agressivly designed - like the S2
Fun in use - like MFT
Powerfull - like a Phase P65
Not as expensive as the other 2 - like a G10
The choice of the experts.
Fred.
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My single-cylinder BMW R26 (back several decades) was
Very quiet -- like my Canon 5D
Very stable and reliable -- like my Canon 5D
Much less expensive than the big guys -- like my Canon 5D
As good looking as the big guys -- like my Canon 5D
More fun than a barrel of MFDs -- like my Canon 5D
Didn't need no freakin' electric starter, either. I could always start it with one gentle push of my hand on the kick-starter.
BMW = Bliss, as far as I know. But I've never owned a Hawaiian shirt.
I am fat and old, but, like Schewe, I fancy the "wide-part" hair style.
-Eric
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My single-cylinder BMW R26 (back several decades) was
Very quiet -- like my Canon 5D
Very stable and reliable -- like my Canon 5D
Much less expensive than the big guys -- like my Canon 5D
As good looking as the big guys -- like my Canon 5D
More fun than a barrel of MFDs -- like my Canon 5D
Didn't need no freakin' electric starter, either. I could always start it with one gentle push of my hand on the kick-starter.
BMW = Bliss, as far as I know. But I've never owned a Hawaiian shirt.
I am fat and old, but, like Schewe, I fancy the "wide-part" hair style.
-Eric
I almost cut my hair...
Ok Eric, I admit...the R26 was on the gorgeous side. After, when they strated the flat cylinders, they kill the design.
But I would not compared the R26 to your 5D, to be fair, it is more suitable to a Pentax 6x7 ?
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And the kick return: could break your leg...
Lot of fun.
Fred.
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I almost cut my hair...
Ok Eric, I admit...the R26 was on the gorgeous side. After, when they strated the flat cylinders, they kill the design.
But I would not compared the R26 to your 5D, to be fair, it is more suitable to a Pentax 6x7 ?
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And the kick return: could break your leg...
Lot of fun.
Fred.
Old fat and hairy guys ride BMW's; old ( 70 ) thin and hairy guys ride KTM's.
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Funny that you say it's in the shop–which when I did have a Harley that's exactly where it spent a lot of time at. I switched to BMW (and the GS in particular) because I could load my computer and some cameras/lenses and go 500-700 miles a day no problem. Ya see, I'm about 1,000 miles from really nice riding and it just takes too long if you only do 250 miles a day like most Harley riders :~)
So, what model is your red one?
Sounds like you had one of those Harleys manufactured in the early 80s when HD was owned by AMF, better known for bowling equipment than motorcycles? From what I've heard the latest Harleys are just as reliable as their Japanese counterparts - but I'll have to get back to you on that in a few months as I plan to take much longer trips than 250 miles...
I bought Softail Rocker C FXCWC which is in the picture, another here (http://www.mcnews.com.au/Wallpaper/HarleyDavidson/2008/Wallpaper/1280/FXCWC_RIDING.jpg) with the trick seat in use - I have even more chrome, sexier pipes. I'll surely post a picture of my baby once I get it
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I almost cut my hair...
Ok Eric, I admit...the R26 was on the gorgeous side. After, when they strated the flat cylinders, they kill the design.
But I would not compared the R26 to your 5D, to be fair, it is more suitable to a Pentax 6x7 ?
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And the kick return: could break your leg...
Lot of fun.
Fred.
OK, maybe the Pentax 67 (mark II) is a better comparison. I loved mine, and what it has in common with the R26 is that I no longer own either. Both were quite lovely machines.
As for the kick-starter, mine was silky soft and, if you treated it right, you could start it with two fingers and get no injuries.
Thanks for the photos, Fred. They bring back lustful feelings!
-Eric
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...mine was silky soft and, if you treated it right, you could start it with two fingers and get no injuries.
Thanks for the photos, Fred. They bring back lustful feelings!
We're still talking about motorcycles, right?
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So how many of you guys (or gals) ever rode a Norton? My other bike (before the BMW) was a Norton with single 500cc cylinder. Loud, wild, unreliable, but fun.
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We're still talking about motorcycles, right?
Of course we are! This is the "Luminous Motorcycle" forum, isn't it?
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So how many of you guys (or gals) ever rode a Norton? My other bike (before the BMW) was a Norton with single 500cc cylinder. Loud, wild, unreliable, but fun.
Ahhh the Norton... Mytic and pure british chic.
I'd like to try the new Ducati. Been told that they are fun.
As for photography, we are talking about motorised photography aren't we?
Fred.
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Ahhh the Norton... Mytic and pure british chic.
I'd like to try the new Ducati. Been told that they are fun.
As for photography, we are talking about motorised photography aren't we?
Fred.
As long as we're talking mythic bikes, nothing like the Laverda triples. Had an RGS and then an RGA. Shook your teeth loose 'till you got into 2nd at about 40MPH, so a PIA in town. The Jotas were even worse. Handled sweepers like they were on rails though.
MV Agusta has come out with a new rocket. Not as pretty as the original, but should give Bimoto a run for the money.
PS - There was a reason hard core Harley guys had tiny Crescent wrenches on their key chains.
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The best (for overall fun) I ever owned was a Norton 650 Dominator. Those Roadholder front forks were something else at the time. Mind you, my Triumph Bonneville pushed it hard.
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The best (for overall fun) I ever owned was a Norton 650 Dominator. Those Roadholder front forks were something else at the time. Mind you, my Triumph Bonneville pushed it hard.
I'm partial to Nortons.
Ken Norton
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I'm partial to Nortons.
Ken Norton
Yeah, but now I'm waiting for someone to come out with a "Myrvaagnes" bike.
Eric
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So how many of you guys (or gals) ever rode a Norton? My other bike (before the BMW) was a Norton with single 500cc cylinder. Loud, wild, unreliable, but fun.
Ahhh my college roomate rebuilt his in our living room.... I still remember the shredded burned carpet when he rode it out
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Listening to all you folks extoll two wheelers, especially German ones, makes me anxious to get my Porsche back onto the track. Nothing like tracking out onto the rumble strip after the downhill at Lime Rock.
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I'm really surprised that so many of you guys are into status symbols (well, not really. It was always apparent).
Whatever happened to the concept of 'the best tool for the job'? Oh! I see! The job is to impress. To impress the client with one's magnificent ego. It's no wonder there's a market for the MFDB.
My interest in motorbikes, when I was much younger, was mainly centred on the practical advantages of getting from A to B in an economical manner. The exhilaration of pushing air as one sped along a country road at 100km/hr was part of the experience, but unfortunately was offset by the uncomfortable experience of riding in rain and cold weather, not to mention the increased risk of accident due to no fault of one's own.
When an accident is my own fault, I can deal with it and learn from it. When it's someone elses fault, there's a problem.
Now I don't have a photo of my Honda 250cc four-stroke which I sold about 15 years ago, but I do have a photo of the trailer I used with that bike. It so happens that it featured in a dynamic range comparison between my 5D and 60D. The image of the trailer is a small crop from the centre of the frame and therefore of low resolution, but sufficient for you to get an impression.
There was many a time when I carried two 40kg bags of cement in that trailer, picked up from the local hardware shop to save on delivery charges. Fortunately, I wasn't as overweight as Jeff Schewe. A 250cc bike without trailer and bags of cement, can easily break the speed limit on Australian roads, if you're not obese.
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Having had one-and-a-half heart attacks (don't ask - I'm not sure myself) already, I was determined not to allow the next version to happen without some sort of preventative action on my part.
I am only 68 kilos in my natural state - never weighed more than 71; I don't have more than a single red a day- effing orders - and I eat no animal fat that I can see. I went for a blood test in December and, to my surprise, was within every recommended parameter. The next week I was scheduled for a stress test - the walking machine thing - and I though hey! a piece of cake. Except it wasn't. I needed another stent. Which I got a month ago. I protested my innocence to the cardio and told of how I walked up a particular hill three times a week, every week, after visiting a restaurant in the area. He looked shocked. Oh no, he said, all that go for the burn stuff is lethal after you reach forty! What you must do is take normal walks but on the flat!
So there you go; you may be better off just riding the bikes than pushing them, in which case I suggest you never buy a Derbi which my son had for a while until he had to push it home one day from the beach at Formentor. Which is reachable via a mountain climb or, alternatively, by sea, which latter option was clearly unsuited to the task in hand.
As a further bit of useless information, his Mum fixed the bike when he got home - throttle cable and carb problem. She actually rode the bike a single time and didn't take to the experience. Women are generally wiser than we are, though that's yet another generalisation I hesitate to offer.
However, a ponytail is quite useful; I now claim that mine, post-hearts, is all about keeping an equilibrium in life: the less hair I have then the longer it has to be to maintain the essential balance.
Rob C
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So how many of you guys (or gals) ever rode a Norton? My other bike (before the BMW) was a Norton with single 500cc cylinder. Loud, wild, unreliable, but fun.
1955 BSA A10 Road Rocket....still have it, still leaks oil and requires a baking tin under the crank-case. Newer bike is the Triumph Thruxton, a modern Cafe Racer.
Steve
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From a tall old bald but not quite fat, about 10 to 15 lbs overweight, can one of you other old bald fat short guys with too much money, give a poor struggling photographer a 39 mp back for a contax? In return you get a lifetime of gratitude place to stay when In Hailey idaho, by sun valley, and undying gratitude. I just figure I am better off with the back then you guys are with a motorcycle that could easily hurt you. LOL well it was worth a try. David
www.davidseelig.com
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From a tall old bald but not quite fat, about 10 to 15 lbs overweight, can one of you other old bald fat short guys with too much money, give a poor struggling photographer a 39 mp back for a contax? In return you get a lifetime of gratitude place to stay when In Hailey idaho, by sun valley, and undying gratitude. I just figure I am better off with the back then you guys are with a motorcycle that could easily hurt you. LOL well it was worth a try. David
www.davidseelig.com
There's a very instructive principle of economics called 'opportunity cost'. You have a certain amount of money available to you, including credit, and you have to decide what expenditures of such money will give you the greatest satisfaction.
Is it perhaps a 1,000cc BMW, or a $50,000 MFDB system? If you are wealthy, you can have both. If you are not, you may have to choose.
On the other hand, you can juggle the satisfaction benefits between the two very desirable items to find out the relative priorities.
For example, would you prefer the swankiest BMW available, but a humble Canon 550D, because that's all you can afford? Or would you prefer the ultimate MFDB system, but a humble Honda 250cc bike, because that's all you can afford?
It's your choice. Don't whinge.
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What is whinge. I am a pro photographer, that is the only profession I have had through 52 years . If Ray you are making a joke fine if not look at my website before you try to tell me something. I was kidding with the request, I am very happy with the choices I have made with my life, I just do not think you were kidding and do not appreciate how I see your words.
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What is whinge.
I still have my Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, bought in 1974. It's interesting that it doesn't have an entry for 'whinge'. Maybe this dictionary is just out of date, although whinge is a very old term of British origin.
It basically means to moan or complain. British immigrants to Australia are/were sometimes called 'whinging poms'. They whinged because they were disatisfied with life in Australia as a result of the very different conditions and circumstance to those they had been used to in England.
I got the impression that behind your comment was a bit of a whinge, whether in jest or not. My reply was not so much directed at you personally, but at the general situation of people buying stuff without full consideration of the 'opportunity cost' principle.
However, if I've offended you, then of course I apologise. Don't let me spoil your day. Be happy!
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I accept the apology and in the future do not make assumptions about people you do not know.
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I accept the apology and in the future do not make assumptions about people you do not know.
Sorry! But it's unavoidable that we make assuptions based upon the post, whether such assumptions are justified or not, misunderstood or not.
I don't know you and you don't know me. For all I know, you could be a child molester, a rapist and an ex-criminal. And the same applies to me from your perspective.
The thing that brings us together on this forum is our common interest in photography where we can respond to ideas, concepts and techniques that are related to photography, however loosely.
I'm instinctively suspicious of people who make a big deal out of a small insult. Take it from there.
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Why insult people you do not know? If you want to know sometimes reactions are about something else in someone's life. Last year in this forum I gave thanks for these forums for being here. you see I had lost my wife to alcohol. MY wife was a great lady from a family where she was blamed for everything sstarting from her father to her siblings to her first husband and lastly her children. To get away from the abuse she draink.I had never seen such negativity and emotional abuse and yes marrying her I got the abuse too. So forgive me for not liking someone giving me grief when they do not know me and just make a stupid assumption. Life is too short, why be negative. Maybe Ray you should keep your suspicions to your self and not dump on someone.
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Why insult people you do not know? If you want to know sometimes reactions are about something else in someone's life. Last year in this forum I gave thanks for these forums for being here. you see I had lost my wife to alcohol. MY wife was a great lady from a family where she was blamed for everything sstarting from her father to her siblings to her first husband and lastly her children. To get away from the abuse she draink.I had never seen such negativity and emotional abuse and yes marrying her I got the abuse too. So forgive me for not liking someone giving me grief when they do not know me and just make a stupid assumption. Life is too short, why be negative. Maybe Ray you should keep your suspicions to your self and not dump on someone.
I see your problem. I've already explained that the thrust of my earlier comment was about the objective and unemotional economic principle of 'opportinity cost', not an intention to personally insult you, which I've already aplogised for, since you took it as an insult.
If you are sensitive and frail, emotionally disturbed and distraught for any reason, for God's sake don't participate in banter on such forums as this, and especially not on dpreview.
During my time on this forum I've been called an idiot, a moron, an illogical twit and quite a few other derogatory terms which I can't recall because I don't dwell upon such matters.
All I did was imply indirectly that you might be a bit of a whinger. Get over it! I apologise again.
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Ray
Sorry you cannot see my point do not guess as to my state assumtions make people an ___ . My point is simple why be negative. Sorry you do not get it . I would not waste time at get dpi. Just here sportsshooter get dpi and rangefinder forum. I was never hurt just wondered why, I was going to offer you a dollar so you could buy a sense of humor.
David
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Gentlemen - enough already!