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The Art of Photography => The Coffee Corner => Topic started by: sperera on January 19, 2010, 04:19:17 am
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so Ive heard people talk about being right or left eyed but havent come across any studies or conclusions or anything.......
Me.....I'm right-handed and I'm left-eyed....completely....its not like i do both eyes....I'm SOLELY left-eyed when composing and taking pics.....I wonder why???? any ideas??????
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Right-handed, right-eyed, with characteristics of left and right brain, failed demi-veg, Gemini, attached.
Does that mean normal, then, Keith?
Rob C
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Left-handed & left-eyed.
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I'm right-handed and used to be right-eyed. But I got a wound my right eye and became left-eyed without any problem (can't focus accurately with my right eye anymore).
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Left handed and right eyed - I can't hardly even look through the viewfinder with my left eye.
I shoot a gun right handed but a bow left handed.
I bat left handed but swing a golf club right handed.
Use a Wacum tablet with my left hand but a mouse with my right (if I still used one - not needed with the tablet).
I write left handed, but right now have a bum left elbow so have been trying to sign autographs with my right hand - my signature is actually better with my right hand, but I can't write anything else legible with that hand - I'll stick to being a lefty!
If left alone in a vast flat wilderness with no bearings or directional tools, I will wander clockwise when trying to go straight.
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left eyed
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hahah excellent replies, i knew this would amuse people
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right handed, right eyed.
When using the rangefinders tho, I keep both eyes open while shooting.
Both eyes on the ground glass too - except when using magnifier.
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Very left handed but right eyed - the latter probably becasue my left eye vision is significantly worse than the right (myopia)
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right handed, right eyed.
When using the rangefinders tho, I keep both eyes open while shooting.
Both eyes on the ground glass too - except when using magnifier.
Same for me, even though my right eye is developing cataracts. I just can't "think" through my left eye.
Curiously, I have nerve deafness in both ears that measures almost the same in both, but in speech comprehension tests my right ear scores much better than my left. But with all this "right"-ness, I'm pretty far left politically.
Eric
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Naturally left handed but almost fully ambidextrous. I use either eye for focusing, depending on the circumstances.
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I'm right handed but my left eye is my sight eye,, I shoot archery left handed as well as a rifle,, if a pistol I use my right hand to hold and fire but will sight with my left eye,,
cameras always go up to my left eye,,
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Right handed, right eyed, right wing.
Jeremy
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right handed
left eyed
no brain anyway ;-)
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Right handed, right eyed, right wing.
Jeremy
What does this thread have to do with football?
Rob C
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Left handed and left eye but I kick with the right foot.
Eduardo
What does this thread have to do with football?
Rob C
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Right handed, left eye for tripod shots, right eye for hand held (which doesn't happen much). Somebody else had to point that out to me. Right brained in proportion to the bank account.
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Right handed, right eyed, dig with right foot
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Right handed and right eyed, but with glasses. Hearing is excellent though(although still ringing from last sundays game(Metrodome in Minneapolis). I tell people that I have the eyes and ears of a bat!
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Right handed, left eyed. That includes everything, from shooting, to cameras, to microscopes. Sounds like there's little correlation between handedness and dominant eye.
I might add that the root of the word "sinister" translates to "left-handed."
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Right Handed
Left eyed - for short distances
Right eyed - for long distances
Mono vision... so depending on which side you sit beside me on you may look attractive or fuzzy. Poor me another please! LOL
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I am right-handed and was left-eyed, but my magnificent nose made right-eyed.
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I am right-handed and was left-eyed, but my magnificent nose made right-eyed.
Right. Most camera makers seem to assume that their customers are either right-eyed or do not have noses!
I guess that makes a case for a view camera: Under the black cloth, either eye can be used.
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Does political correctness have any part to play with this issue?
I was a little disturbed about the black cloth, but I suppose that anything you do in private ... though I do believe, according to the Playboy Philosophy that I read some time last century, there are states where they will jail you for that! Beware!
Rob C
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Does political correctness have any part to play with this issue?
I was a little disturbed about the black cloth, but I suppose that anything you do in private ... though I do believe, according to the Playboy Philosophy that I read some time last century, there are states where they will jail you for that! Beware!
Rob C
Actually, the "dark cloth" that I used to hide under was a politically correct one from Zone V: Black on one side and white on the other. In use, as in reality (in the U.S. anyway), the white side was usually on top.
Eric
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Heaven forfend that I should be "left" anything!
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So for those of you who prefer to focus with one eye over the other, what happens - or doesn’t -when you use the other eye?
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So for those of you who prefer to focus with one eye over the other, what happens - or doesn’t -when you use the other eye?
Not much... it was a bit uncomfortable at the beginning, but I got used to it; sometimes I forget about it, and end up pressing some random button with my nose.
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[quote name='EduPerez' date='Jan 21 2010, 07:23 AM' post='341323']
"Not much... it was a bit uncomfortable at the beginning, but I got used to it; sometimes I forget about it,
and end up pressing some random button with my nose"
Now that's creative!
Rob C
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Left Eyed , throw right handed , hit a baseball left handed, bowl left handed, write right handed draw left handed and when I was a kid my best punch was a left hook. I close my right eye when focusing.
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So for those of you who prefer to focus with one eye over the other, what happens - or doesn’t -when you use the other eye?
Depends on whether you are using the higher or the lower eye: parallax...
Rob C
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so Ive heard people talk about being right or left eyed but havent come across any studies or conclusions or anything.......
Me.....I'm right-handed and I'm left-eyed....completely....its not like i do both eyes....I'm SOLELY left-eyed when composing and taking pics.....I wonder why???? any ideas??????
Me too. Right handed, left eyed.
Jerry
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I'm right handed, left eyed. I had never thought about it, but about 10 years ago my optometrist noticed it. It must have been the way I looked into one of his machines. He told me it was unusual for someone who is right handed to be left eyed.
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This seemed a rather trivial topic, so I ignored it. But the weather is hot, the sun is out, and my immediate chore of building a retaining wall behind my new house is temporarily postponed till 4pm.
The concept of the right/left hemispheres of the brain having different functions is interesting. In so-called normal people, and who really wants to be normal (apologies to disabled people), the left side of the brain tends to control the right side of the body, including the right arm, the right leg and the right eye.
But the left hemisphere is also more active in all practical matters, including logical thinking and worrying about your insurance premiums.
The right side of the brain is blissfully unaware of such considerations, and the emphasis is on bliss. The right hemisphere of the brain is often described as the 'artistic' and 'religious' side.
When Buddhist monks achieve their goal of Nirvana, they've succeeded in totally pacifying that troublesome, worrying, practically-oriented left hemisphere.
In such a state, they are of course useless to the world. But it must feel good .
There's an interesting account by a neuroscientist on TED, who related her experiences whilst undergoing a stroke centred in the left side of the brain. The stroke was not a sudden on/of situation, but a gradual breakdown of the left hemisphere. The neuroscientist experienced the process, as it was happening, of that left hemisphere switching on and off as it struggled to survive. When it was off, there was bliss. When it came back on, the bliss disappeared. It seemed as though the left hemisphere contained all the practical concerns and worries that afflict us all.
Okay. So after that preamble, what could we say about a right-handed, right-footed, right-eyed person, looking through the camera viewfinder with a left eye. Could it be that the shots taken will be more artistic?
If anyone attempts to do some serious study on this issue, I'd be interested in the results.
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Well, Ray, you could start by becoming a monk or a neuroscientist, preferably both at the same time, but you would have to try to balance that out with shooting transvestites and tripping with tigers. I think I see what you mean about not wanting to be 'normal' in the generally accepted way; isn't norm a dull chap?
;-)
Rob C
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Well, Ray, you could start by becoming a monk or a neuroscientist, preferably both at the same time, but you would have to try to balance that out with shooting transvestites and tripping with tigers. I think I see what you mean about not wanting to be 'normal' in the generally accepted way; isn't norm a dull chap?
;-)
Rob C
Rob.
Of course life should be interesting and an adventure, whatever your age. Who would disagree with that?
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I'm right handed, left eyed. I had never thought about it, but about 10 years ago my optometrist noticed it. It must have been the way I looked into one of his machines. He told me it was unusual for someone who is right handed to be left eyed.
It is not so unusual for a right handed person to be left eye dominant nor for a left handed person to be right eye dominant but is certainly is the minority in each case. I examine people everyday (as an optometrist) who are contralaterally dominant. Most are not photographers nor athletes and blissfully unaware of which eye is dominant until something goes wrong. For example someone developing a cataract in their non-dominant eye only may be totally unaware of it until it is fairly advanced. However if it is their dominant eye with the cataract they tend to notice it much earlier.
I have found this thread very interesting especially since photographers, like people who shoot guns, tend to be very aware of the implications of eye dominance. However I would like to point out that what the right eye sees is not processed only by the LHS brain and vice versa. The right visual field (eg everything that exists to the RHS of fixation) is processed by the LHS of the visual cortex (located at the back of the brain) and vice versa. It is not the eye that is processed by the contralateral part of the brain but the R or L visual field. So what the LE sees to the RHS of fixation is processed along with what the RE sees to the RHS of fixation at LHS of brain. And vice versa.
I am R handed and R eye dominant and 99.9% of the time I photograph with my RE. Occasionally I use my LE especially if, because of the camera position or my position, I can't get my RE to the viewfinder. It is not too difficult to use your non-dominant eye to photograph with if you practice. I guess I have an advantage in that both of my eyes see equally well (if you have a significantly weaker eye you won't be at all comfortable using it) and every day I have to view other peoples' eyes using my LE and suppressing my RE. With practice this can be done without shutting the dominant eye just getting the brain to ignore the image from it.
I have found this useful on occasions taking photographs where I have wanted to be able to frame a moving object in a certain position in a scene without being able to track with the camera. I set up the scene with my RE through the viewfinder but track the object/animal/person/etc movement towards the frame with my LE. As long as the movement is L to R then I can follow it with both eyes open but just using my LE and then when it enters the frame switch to my RE , again with both eyes open and click as necessary. It is easiest when the magnification through the viewfinder is not too far removed from 'normal'. Much harder with a telephoto lens and not really necessary with a wide angle.
Richard
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One of the most interesting jobs I have ever done was photograph a man who writes books on dyslexia
he see this not a problem but a difference - the brain is doing other stuff he reckons- sometimes useful sometimes not
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I put the camera to my left eye to take his picture and he said..
You will are probably a great photographer - LE is good spatial awareness
you probably dont know left from right
and you probably cant remember my name - the left brain has other business
The second and third where true - dont know about the first
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MOST important it made me understand that my Right Eye Clients may be visually dumb - they just dont perceive the lamp post growing out of the head of the subject - they are too busy remembering peoples names, knowing left from right and being able to spell !
This could explain some 'debates' on set that I have had
S
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MOST important it made me understand that my Right Eye Clients may be visually dumb - they just dont perceive the lamp post growing out of the head of the subject - they are too busy remembering peoples names, knowing left from right and being able to spell !
I'm right-eyed, but I've always appreciated the absurdity of a lamp post growing out of the head of a subject, just as I've always appreciated the absurdity of the subject being out of focus whilst the tree behind is in focus.
But I've had the advantage of having a father who was an amateur photographer.
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so Ive heard people talk about being right or left eyed but havent come across any studies or conclusions or anything.......
Me.....I'm right-handed and I'm left-eyed....completely....its not like i do both eyes....I'm SOLELY left-eyed when composing and taking pics.....I wonder why???? any ideas??????
I am right handed and right eye. I have tried left eye on occasion and just couldn't come to grips with how I viewed reality form that perspective.
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Clients may be visually dumb - regardless of what eye they use; I also encounter this problem and have not yet found a good way around it - other than to look for another client. What erks me most is when the visually dumb clients assume they are RIGHT (eyed or not) and my best work is LEFT (eyed or not too) out...
I really admire the work of blind photographers like these guys (http://blog.blindphotographers.org/the-blind-photographers-guild/) who are neither right or left eyed
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I'm a cyclops and my eye still hurts from the time the photographer in front of me turned around with a tripod on his shoulder, just tell me how wonderful it is that we are able to take images of a three dimensional world and place them on two dimensional flat pieces of paper!
JMR
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Clients may be visually dumb - regardless of what eye they use; I also encounter this problem and have not yet found a good way around it - other than to look for another client. What erks me most is when the visually dumb clients assume they are RIGHT (eyed or not) and my best work is LEFT (eyed or not too) out...
What the guy I was photographing was saying..
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Enhancing-Self-est...e/dp/1412921112 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Enhancing-Self-esteem-Classroom-Denis-Lawrence/dp/1412921112)
Was that 'left eyes' are more spatially aware while having other 'limitations' such as slow time to identify left and right and often poor reading
He also said that most people are somewhere in the middle of course
But he introduced me to the concept that I (as a left eye) may have a tendency to see in a more developed manner (being able to understand the positional elements in a scene fast) than others ability to do the same - and to account for that in my interaction with them
Those other people of course may have other attributes that outstrip mine - mental arithmetic, ability to compose wonderful prose etc
He was completely serious
If you think about it there are often artistic differences between writers and photographers - probably the writer has other attributes that lead them to their career seeing more in terms of 'concepts' rather then 'trivial' details like lampposts or angle of light
Of course when writing about a scene the lamp post does not matter - where as in a photos it will be critical
Overall his theory is that most people a great at something - its just discovering where that greatness lies - it the core of his approach to dealing with 'special needs' kids
Its a classic - take a client to a beach at midday on a sunny blue day - they see a wonderful scene - I see a challenging situation in terms of dynamic range nasty shadows etc and just want to come bak at magic hour
S
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One of the most interesting jobs I have ever done was photograph a man who writes books on dyslexia
he see this not a problem but a difference - the brain is doing other stuff he reckons- sometimes useful sometimes not
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I put the camera to my left eye to take his picture and he said..
You will are probably a great photographer - LE is good spatial awareness
you probably dont know left from right
and you probably cant remember my name - the left brain has other business
The second and third where true - dont know about the first
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MOST important it made me understand that my Right Eye Clients may be visually dumb - they just dont perceive the lamp post growing out of the head of the subject - they are too busy remembering peoples names, knowing left from right and being able to spell !
This could explain some 'debates' on set that I have had
S
There's something intriguing about these concepts which I can relate to. I'm right-eyed but I have no difficulty recognising the absurdity of lamposts emanating from the subject's head.
Nevertheless, I frequently have trouble remembering people's names on first meeting them. Is it because my right brain (left eye) is busy with artistic or moral issues (in what way is the person beautiful, photographable, reliable, honest and trustworthy etc) and that their name, which has nothing to do with such considerations, is of lower priority, therefore, unless I make a special effort to remember it, devising a nemonic for example, I frequently forget the name?
I wonder. I'll consider experimenting with left-eyed photography in the future, when I'm in picture-taking mode.
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If you think about it there are often artistic differences between writers and photographers - probably the writer has other attributes that lead them to their career seeing more in terms of 'concepts' rather then 'trivial' details like lampposts or angle of light
I think you'll find that writers, the best writers, sometimes obsess about a particular phrase, or sentence, the order of the words and the puntuation, rewritung a sentence many times until it feels just right and expresses what they are trying to say.
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I wonder. I'll consider experimenting with left-eyed photography in the future, when I'm in picture-taking mode.
That wont work - it how you are wired, but the name remembering, etc all correlates as do 6000+ forum posts to a certain way of thinking that is a little different from the majority of the population
Such thinking is not good or bad, often correlates with good photography and happens more with left eyes
(said my 'expert')
The important thing is to understand and account for the potential difference in thinking style between you and those around you - especially if they are the one with the cheque book
S
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Right Hand, left eye, and my nose allways on the display
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... account for the potential difference in thinking style...
do you mean:
work together with the client as a supportive team player to produce affirmative images that satisfy the client's expectations at the same time as your own personal aspirations...
ie start to believe what people say on television?
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That wont work - it how you are wired, but the name remembering, etc all correlates as do 6000+ forum posts to a certain way of thinking that is a little different from the majority of the population
Such thinking is not good or bad, often correlates with good photography and happens more with left eyes
(said my 'expert')
Nevertheless, it might be interesting to try the other eye to see if one can find any distinguishing features that might differentiate a left-eyed photo from a right-eyed photo. The brain has a capacity to rewire itself. It happens when people are recovering from strokes.
Having recently fractured my right wrist, I'm very well aware how lousy my left-handed writing looks. I can't believe a left-eyed photo would look as bad .
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Right Hand, left eye, and my nose allways on the display
+1!
Paul
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+1!
Paul
I see. A bit awkward really, isn't it. I presume that's preferable to having your nose inadvertently change the controls on the right side of the camera body .
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I´ve a small long tube fixed with powerclue on my viewfinder, so is the distance far enough between nose and display.
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I´ve a small long tube fixed with powerclue on my viewfinder, so is the distance far enough between nose and display.
My first camera had a viwefinder on the left-hand side, so now I always look through my left eye whilst shooting. As a consquence I always have to carry a tissue in my kit bag to wipe the noseprint from the back of my camera.
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My first camera had a viwefinder on the left-hand side, so now I always look through my left eye whilst shooting. As a consquence I always have to carry a tissue in my kit bag to wipe the noseprint from the back of my camera.
maybe a solution for those of us who encounter this problem could be to hold the camera upside down -- though I haven't tried it myself yet
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maybe a solution for those of us who encounter this problem could be to hold the camera upside down -- though I haven't tried it myself yet
A bit awkward to press the shutter release...
Paul
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A bit awkward to press the shutter release...
Paul
you could use your toe
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you could use your toe
What's the matter with you guys! Are you just being silly?
No need to use your toe. I just stepped outside my house and took a shot of my immaculate lawn, with camera upside-down, left eye fixed to the viewfinder, nose completely unencumbered, and left thumb on the shutter.
No worries!, as they say in Australia. Beautiful shot, including the mango tree as well.
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And for the benefit of those who never viewed an image on a view camera's ground glass, there's an easy way to invert the resulting image. Just stand on your head while holding the camera upside down, which will make it right side up to the rest of the world. Except, of course, in Oz, where you will have to ...
Eric
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And for the benefit of those who never viewed an image on a view camera's ground glass, there's an easy way to invert the resulting image. Just stand on your head while holding the camera upside down, which will make it right side up to the rest of the world. Except, of course, in Oz, where you will have to ...
Eric
Come to think of it, that image doesn't quite look right, does it? It was a dull day, but not that dull.
This is better, don't you think?
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Come to think of it, that image doesn't quite look right, does it? It was a dull day, but not that dull.
This is better, don't you think?
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Hmmm; brown sky and green clouds? Do you really think it will catch on? But I love the roots!
Rob C
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Hmmm; brown sky and green clouds? Do you really think it will catch on? But I love the roots!
Rob C
Now, look here! Rob! I would have loved to have had available a beautiful model with sleek legs and ample bosom, to climb into the mango tree and nestle amongst the branches.
Unfortunately, no such model was available when I stepped outside my house to take this first experimental shot employing my left eye on the viewfinder, my left thumb on the shutter button, and the right side of my brain in gear for creative purposes..
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Now, look here! Rob! I would have loved to have had available a beautiful model with sleek legs and ample bosom, to climb into the mango tree and nestle amongst the branches.
Unfortunately, no such model was available when I stepped outside my house to take this first experimental shot employing my left eye on the viewfinder, my left thumb on the shutter button, and the right side of my brain in gear for creative purposes..
good example of how accompanying text influences how an image is interpreted... if it were not for the informative caption I would have wrongly assumed I was just looking at an accidental shot exposed when a glass of red wine was knocked over on a camera lieing upside down on a garden table
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good example of how accompanying text influences how an image is interpreted... if it were not for the informative caption I would have wrongly assumed I was just looking at an accidental shot exposed when a glass of red wine was knocked over on a camera lieing upside down on a garden table
Getting close! However the red wine was not spilt, but imbibed by my sun-tanned neighbour who popped over to enhance the shot.
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Now, look here! Rob! I would have loved to have had available a beautiful model with sleek legs and ample bosom, to climb into the mango tree and nestle amongst the branches.
Unfortunately, no such model was available when I stepped outside my house to take this first experimental shot employing my left eye on the viewfinder, my left thumb on the shutter button, and the right side of my brain in gear for creative purposes..
Tree? What tree? Not only do I see no mangoes but neither ample bosoms nor sleek legs. As for bottles of wine, Ray, what are you on? Oh! I see now, you have doctored the soup!
Rob C
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After being some time around this forum, I am beginning to think that the chemicals used in analog photography are poisonous, and produce long term insanity on those that spend to much time inside a dark room; just another advantage of digital photography.
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After being some time around this forum, I am beginning to think that the chemicals used in analog photography are poisonous, and produce long term insanity on those that spend to much time inside a dark room; just another advantage of digital photography.
unless of course it is the lack of chemicals that causes the insanity - now that would explain why some clients who have never set foot in a dark room do not get the visual thing; maybe also why moving from shooting MF film and chemical processing to MFDB digital and computer screens seems to have such a sobering effect on so many of us (which I had previously thought was due to increasing affluence and diminishing youth).
feel free to correct me if I am wrong
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Tree? What tree? Not only do I see no mangoes but neither ample bosoms nor sleek legs. As for bottles of wine, Ray, what are you on? Oh! I see now, you have doctored the soup!
Rob C
What's the matter with you? I see the mangoes clearly.
Okay! I'll present the image upside down. Maybe you didn't recognise them. How's this?
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As for the sleekness of the lady's legs, you know I can't comment on that.
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Nice self-portrait, Ray.
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Ray
I see it this time! The lady's mangoes are a little more clear now, but is there a problem with the pips? Usually, they are stones. Beautifully Photoshopped dance shoes.
Rob C
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Ray
I see it this time! The lady's mangoes are a little more clear now, but is there a problem with the pips? Usually, they are stones. Beautifully Photoshopped dance shoes.
Rob C
The nipples are a bit on the small side. Oops! I hope I don't get into trouble.
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Now we are getting closer to an understanding of the variables that come in to play when photographers and clients evaluate an image.
Is this observation coming from the right side of your brain or the left side or some place else?
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Now we are getting closer to an understanding of the variables that come in to play when photographers and clients evaluate an image.
Is this observation coming from the right side of your brain or the left side or some place else?
Wouldn't have a clue. It's big mystery to me, which is why I thought it might be worth some experimentation.
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About 80% of people are right handed and 80% of those are co-dominant (right eye); the other 20% are cross-dominant (left eye). The reverse is true: about 20% of people are left handed with 80% of those co-dominant (left eye) and 20% cross dominant (right eye).
Of all the gazzillion of eyes I've looked at, I don't think there's much correlation between eye dominance and behavior, personality, etc.
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Left brain: Y'all might be interested to know that the mangoes have all been stolen. I was hoping to get at least a bucket full. I suspect either possums or fruit bats are the culprits. Bastards!
Right brain: What a pity I wasn't aware they were eating my mangoes. If I had been, I could have photographed the darlings.
(It's true! The mangoes have all been eaten by some creature. No big deal, but I was disappointed to be outsmarted by a possum and a fruit bat.)
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Left brain: Y'all might be interested to know that the mangoes have all been stolen. I was hoping to get at least a bucket full. I suspect either possums or fruit bats are the culprits. Bastards!
Right brain: What a pity I wasn't aware they were eating my mangoes. If I had been, I could have photographed the darlings.
(It's true! The mangoes have all been eaten by some creature. No big deal, but I was disappointed to be outsmarted by a possum and a fruit bat.)
Ray, how do you know they didn't just fall upwards and go to heaven along with the lady? You really must guard against thinking the worst; those darn tigers might sense it.
Rob C
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Ray, how do you know they didn't just fall upwards and go to heaven along with the lady? You really must guard against thinking the worst; those darn tigers might sense it.
Rob C
Evidence! Rob, pure and simple. When you see the remains of eaten mangoes at the foot of the tree, the conclusions are clear. It wasn't a neighbour, and the mangoes didn't aspire to heaven. (Left brain speaking).
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