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Site & Board Matters => About This Site => Topic started by: Robert Spoecker on December 21, 2009, 02:43:49 pm
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This site name is Luminous Landscape.
Recently there seems to be a rash of nude images. All done artistically in black and white.
They appear about the same as all the other nudes easily available on the web.
I think thats fine, but does it belong here? By what stretch of the imagination are full frontal nude images landscapes?
Sorry but I don't get it.
Robert
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Did the models have great big tracts of land?
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The name of the site is The Luminous Landscape, but if you spend any time here at all you'll discover that it concerns itself with every aspect of photography, both esthetic and technical.
Nudes are therefore perfectly fine.
The only restriction is that pictures of cats are not allowed. Cat photographers are respectfully redirected to DPReview.
Michael
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The name of the site is The Luminous Landscape, but if you spend any time here at all you'll discover that it concerns itself with every aspect of photography, both esthetic and technical.
Nudes are therefore perfectly fine.
The only restriction is that pictures of cats are not allowed. Cat photographers are respectfully redirected to DPReview.
Michael
The reply came from a high enough level. I am satisfied with it and thus will refrain from further comment on the subject.
Thank you for explaining your policy so well, Michael.
I don't even know a cat personally so someone else will have to respond to that.
Robert
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The name of the site is The Luminous Landscape, but if you spend any time here at all you'll discover that it concerns itself with every aspect of photography, both esthetic and technical.
Nudes are therefore perfectly fine.
The only restriction is that pictures of cats are not allowed. Cat photographers are respectfully redirected to DPReview.
Michael
But Michael, what will we do with some of my favorites? Are big cats exempt? I would hate to see them consigned to DPReview.
Botswana Leopard (http://www.luminous-landscape.com/1photo-pages/leopard-1.shtml)
Jaguar (http://www.luminous-landscape.com/1photo-pages/j/jaguar.shtml)
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The only restriction is that pictures of cats are not allowed. Cat photographers are respectfully redirected to DPReview.
Michael
Or to Cute Overload (http://cuteoverload.com).
I must say, however, that Minor White accepted a cat photo of mine in his exhibit "Being Without Clothes" at M.I.T. back in the '60s. It was the only cat photo in the exhibit, and one of only two that were not of human nudes. Exhibit cat-alog was published in Aperture.
Eric
"Cat Photographer to the Stars"
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OK, big pussys are allowed.
Michael
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OK, big pussys are allowed.
Michael
Good One.....
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This site name is Luminous Landscape.
Recently there seems to be a rash of nude images. All done artistically in black and white.
They appear about the same as all the other nudes easily available on the web.
I think thats fine, but does it belong here? By what stretch of the imagination are full frontal nude images landscapes?
Sorry but I don't get it.
Robert
What's to get? There are lots of photos here that are not landscapes, including many of those posted by Michael. So what?
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OK, big pussys are allowed.
Michael
Oh dear this is degenerating! (Or is it just me?)
Anyway, Mrs Pascoe thinks it is just about landscape photography, so please, no nudes on the home page.
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Recently there seems to be a rash of nude images. All done artistically in black and white.
Robert
Robert.
I am really busy in the pre-Christmas rush to get all my orders out, so please could you save me time and tell me where I can find the pictures to which you refer to save me trawling through the whole forum.
Jim
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OK, big pussys are allowed.
Michael
Good! I can't resist showing off.
Here's me with some lovely big cats. They are very peaceful because they are Buddhist cats. As you can see, I'm also very peaceful.
[attachment=18826:Cats.jpg]
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Good! I can't resist showing off.
Here's me with some lovely big cats. They are very peaceful because they are Buddhist cats. As you can see, I'm also very peaceful.
[attachment=18826:Cats.jpg]
Can I assume that you are the one [ahem] petting your [ahem], big cat?
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Good! I can't resist showing off.
Here's me with some lovely big cats. They are very peaceful because they are Buddhist cats. As you can see, I'm also very peaceful.
[attachment=18826:Cats.jpg]
And they're not wearing a stitch of clothing (blush, blush!)
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And they're not wearing a stitch of clothing (blush, blush!)
All extremely good. But cats are not allowed because of the Resident Rottweiller.
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All extremely good. But cats are not allowed because of the Resident Rottweiller.
Of course, a Rottweiler should be an easy meal for these cats, but it's an interesting question as to how the cats would respond.
As I departed from the enclosure, I saw a small hill from which I could get an overview of the whole scene. I climbed the small hill with camera in hand and was immediately shouted at, by the monks and wardens, to get down.
It was later explained that the tigers might get the impression that I was a goat and might come bounding towards me to tear me to shreds. I'm really skeptical that such nice, peaceful tigers could ever consider me a goat.
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Well Ray, the problem is the beard. You and I share much the same hair-do other than the smallish ponytail that I am endeavouring to grow for the simple reason that with my wife I lost my barber (she was my barber). A neighbour told me that they are having the same problem with their new grand-daughter whose hair is still pretty sparse, but she wants bunches. I explained that if you are patient, the shorter bits catch up with the longer bits and then, voilà, once in the rubber band you have enough spare material to cut the tail off at a thickish length and even the thing up.
From the tigers' point of view, the beard is the problem, particularly when of that choice, silvery disposition. As you know, those cats are well dosed with lysergic acid diethylamide and are thus not wholely to blame for any mistakes that they may make at a distance. The concern of the monks is totally altruistic, trust me.
Rob C
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Well Ray, the problem is the beard. You and I share much the same hair-do other than the smallish ponytail that I am endeavouring to grow for the simple reason that with my wife I lost my barber (she was my barber). A neighbour told me that they are having the same problem with their new grand-daughter whose hair is still pretty sparse, but she wants bunches. I explained that if you are patient, the shorter bits catch up with the longer bits and then, voilà, once in the rubber band you have enough spare material to cut the tail off at a thickish length and even the thing up.
From the tigers' point of view, the beard is the problem, particularly when of that choice, silvery disposition. As you know, those cats are well dosed with lysergic acid diethylamide and are thus not wholely to blame for any mistakes that they may make at a distance. The concern of the monks is totally altruistic, trust me.
Rob C
Well, Rob, I guess I'm more practical than you. My partner is hopless at cutting hair (and sewing and operating the Blu-ray player etc) so I always had to pay to have my hair cut, a not unpleasant experience when the barber is female of course.
However, when one is at an advanced stage of baldness, it seems such a waste of money, and also rather pointless, to regularly cut the remaining few strands of hair that struggle to grow at the back of one's head.
On the basis that one would spend $20 every 4 months on a hair cut, that amounts to $60 a year, or, after ten years with compound interest, at least $1,000, sufficient to buy a small camera.
But that's not the full extent of the expense. There's the time involved in sitting and waiting. During the time it takes to have a haircut, I could process, color manage, and print out a multi-image, stitched, panoramic masterpiece.
A similar situation applies to shaving. 10 minutes a day for the rest of one's life amounts to approximately 8 whole working days per year (8 hours per day), doing nothing but scraping stubble off one's face.
Life is short and time is precious.
To get back to the original poster's question about whether nudes belong in a forum dedicated to landscape. My solution is, combine them both, as in the following landscape of a Himalayan dawn.
Let it never be said that I stray off the topic.
[attachment=19252:Himalaya...th_Nudes.jpg]
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Well, Rob, I guess I'm more practical than you. My partner is hopless at cutting hair (and sewing and operating the Blu-ray player etc) so I always had to pay to have my hair cut, a not unpleasant experience when the barber is female of course.
However, when one is at an advanced stage of baldness, it seems such a waste of money, and also rather pointless, to regularly cut the remaining few strands of hair that struggle to grow at the back of one's head.
On the basis that one would spend $20 every 4 months on a hair cut, that amounts to $60 a year, or, after ten years with compound interest, at least $1,000, sufficient to buy a small camera.
But that's not the full extent of the expense. There's the time involved in sitting and waiting. During the time it takes to have a haircut, I could process, color manage, and print out a multi-image, stitched, panoramic masterpiece.
A similar situation applies to shaving. 10 minutes a day for the rest of one's life amounts to approximately 8 whole working days per year (8 hours per day), doing nothing but scraping stubble off one's face.
Life is short and time is precious.
To get back to the original poster's question about whether nudes belong in a forum dedicated to landscape. My solution is, combine them both, as in the following landscape of a Himalayan dawn.
Let it never be said that I stray off the topic.
[attachment=19252:Himalaya...th_Nudes.jpg]
But sir, I agree with you 100% which is why I am growing the tiny tail in my own endeavour to save the planet and avoid waste of resources! It's the same with washing the hair: think of the dangers of having my few stray strands slipping slowly down the drain, potential cloggers of the entire domestic system! Time and motion study, of course, is wholly on your side and on mine too, and what others see as sloven I am pleased to consider as frugal, careful and an altogether selfless gesture to the greater benefit of mankind. Think of the danger to salmon of too much detergent mixing with the waters of river and sea, not that there are any rivers on Mallorca, but the intentions are good. Which leads me directly to considering the relative merits of a small car engine labouring hard to mount an incline as compared with a larger one doing the same gradient on tick-over... where the greater menace to the balance of nature?
Rob C
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Well, Rob, I guess I'm more practical than you. My partner is hopless at cutting hair (and sewing and operating the Blu-ray player etc) so I always had to pay to have my hair cut, a not unpleasant experience when the barber is female of course.
However, when one is at an advanced stage of baldness, it seems such a waste of money, and also rather pointless, to regularly cut the remaining few strands of hair that struggle to grow at the back of one's head.
On the basis that one would spend $20 every 4 months on a hair cut, that amounts to $60 a year, or, after ten years with compound interest, at least $1,000, sufficient to buy a small camera.
But that's not the full extent of the expense. There's the time involved in sitting and waiting. During the time it takes to have a haircut, I could process, color manage, and print out a multi-image, stitched, panoramic masterpiece.
A similar situation applies to shaving. 10 minutes a day for the rest of one's life amounts to approximately 8 whole working days per year (8 hours per day), doing nothing but scraping stubble off one's face.
Life is short and time is precious.
To get back to the original poster's question about whether nudes belong in a forum dedicated to landscape. My solution is, combine them both, as in the following landscape of a Himalayan dawn.
Let it never be said that I stray off the topic.
[attachment=19252:Himalaya...th_Nudes.jpg]
I know this isn't the critique forum, but does anyone else feel that this panorama was over-Photoshopped?
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But sir, I agree with you 100% which is why I am growing the tiny tail in my own endeavour to save the planet and avoid waste of resources! It's the same with washing the hair: think of the dangers of having my few stray strands slipping slowly down the drain, potential cloggers of the entire domestic system! Time and motion study, of course, is wholly on your side and on mine too, and what others see as sloven I am pleased to consider as frugal, careful and an altogether selfless gesture to the greater benefit of mankind. Think of the danger to salmon of too much detergent mixing with the waters of river and sea, not that there are any rivers on Mallorca, but the intentions are good. Which leads me directly to considering the relative merits of a small car engine labouring hard to mount an incline as compared with a larger one doing the same gradient on tick-over... where the greater menace to the balance of nature?
Rob C
Rob and Ray,
I must remind you that there is a cost associated with the desire of us Old Geezers to Save the Planet: we must make sure to avoid getting on the wrong side of a camera or we might cause uncontrollable chaos, even if we are nude.
Eric
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I know this isn't the critique forum, but does anyone else feel that this panorama was over-Photoshopped?
Oh no; lots of people like men like that.
Rob C
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Rob and Ray,
I must remind you that there is a cost associated with the desire of us Old Geezers to Save the Planet: we must make sure to avoid getting on the wrong side of a camera or we might cause uncontrollable chaos, even if we are nude.
Eric
Ambiguous post: first you have to state which side of the camera is the wrong one! Or is the ambiguity part of the Chaos Theory you are touching upon? I have a pair of self-portraits, both with camera in shot, obviously, one with my first Exakta and the other a later F2. The funny thing is, in both of them, though divided by much time and ravages of same, the self-conscious posturing appears to be appreciably the same. Odd, and possibly proving that some things are not learned through experience, of itself a damning lesson.
Rob C
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... we must make sure to avoid getting on the wrong side of a camera or we might cause uncontrollable chaos, even if we are nude...
Especially if we are nude.
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Let me clarify the situation.
The nudes in the foreground were transexual or transgender persons I photographed in Bangla Road, Patong, Pucket Thailand.
They've been copied and pasted into the foreground of the Himalayan scene in order to add interest to the foregound.
If I'd wanted such transexuals to accompany me to Nepal, I suspect it may have been possible. But I doubt their eagerness to get up at 4am to trek to the hill top before dawn.
Photoshop makes it so much easier, don't you think?
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There's an old saying in Scotland, which I'm sure stamper will confirm, that goes: suck it and see. Whether this applies to the early morning in Nepal parts of this thread is best left to the gentle readers in Scotland to determine. However, given the extreme cold there just now, I doubt many will have thawed out sufficiently to care. It's a tough world out there.
It's a tough one out here, too. Having pursued and discarded the thoughts of a rebuild/respray, I'd been toying with the idea of changing my rust heap for something new. At the moment, the Spanish system offers 2000€ against a new set of wheels if you want to trade in a scrapper over ten years old, something similar to the US system, I believe. Anyway, I battle the twin prongs of a low and fluctuating exchange rate for the UK pound against the duration of the 2000€ bribe. I was in the local Ford dealership yesterday having another look at a car I'd tested a couple of days ago, and the conversation got around to the price and the bribe. Turns out it consists of 1000€ from Ford, 500€ from the Spanish central govt. and 500€ from the local Balearic govt. Only the local govt. decided to halt its contribution at the end of the past year and Ford has put its prices up by around 200€ making that small car now 700€ more expensive overnight. Fark.
I'm sure there's another old Scottish saying about stikes and hot irons.
Rob C
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There's an old saying in Scotland, which I'm sure stamper will confirm, that goes: suck it and see. Whether this applies to the early morning in Nepal parts of this thread is best left to the gentle readers in Scotland to determine. However, given the extreme cold there just now, I doubt many will have thawed out sufficiently to care. It's a tough world out there.
It's a tough one out here, too. Having pursued and discarded the thoughts of a rebuild/respray, I'd been toying with the idea of changing my rust heap for something new. At the moment, the Spanish system offers 2000€ against a new set of wheels if you want to trade in a scrapper over ten years old, something similar to the US system, I believe. Anyway, I battle the twin prongs of a low and fluctuating exchange rate for the UK pound against the duration of the 2000€ bribe. I was in the local Ford dealership yesterday having another look at a car I'd tested a couple of days ago, and the conversation got around to the price and the bribe. Turns out it consists of 1000€ from Ford, 500€ from the Spanish central govt. and 500€ from the local Balearic govt. Only the local govt. decided to halt its contribution at the end of the past year and Ford has put its prices up by around 200€ making that small car now 700€ more expensive overnight. Fark.
I'm sure there's another old Scottish saying about stikes and hot irons.
Rob C
Rob,
You should try to confine yourself to the topic. Straying off the topic is fine as long as it's loosely related to the subject. You seem to be straying off the topic too far. I can't see a connection.
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Rob,
You should try to confine yourself to the topic. Straying off the topic is fine as long as it's loosely related to the subject. You seem to be straying off the topic too far. I can't see a connection.
I can only conclude that either
(1) His old car is a nude, or (2) his old car is a landscape.
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Well, it is called Rusty, so at least it's organic and quite likely to be part of the landscape quite soon! Not exactly car-in-American-deserts landscape, but close enough if you are willing to stretch a point...
I shall take a landscape photograph of it. There - snap - right back on topic.
;-)
Rob C
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Well, it is called Rusty, so at least it's organic and quite likely to be part of the landscape quite soon! Not exactly car-in-American-deserts landscape, but close enough if you are willing to stretch a point...
I shall take a landscape photograph of it. There - snap - right back on topic.
;-)
Rob C
But is Rusty also nude, or have you clothed the private parts? An answer to that would directly relate to the OP's original question.
Eric
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But is Rusty also nude, or have you clothed the private parts? An answer to that would directly relate to the OP's original question.
Eric
Well, Eric, I have done a little body painting here and there already; perchance that qualifies as enhanced nudity?
To diverge or even digress somewhat: it's darn cold here in Spain! If I were nude you wouldn't need a thermometer to guess it was cold. Thank goodness I have Rusty and no need for a bicycle!
Rob C
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I've shot quite a few nudes in landscape situations over the years but it's far too cold to even think about at the moment here in the UK. I wish I was somewhere much further south right now...
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I've shot quite a few nudes in landscape situations over the years but it's far too cold to even think about at the moment here in the UK. I wish I was somewhere much further south right now...
Nudes in the snow! Lovely! Nothing salacious about the pure, driven snow!
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Nudes in the snow! Lovely! Nothing salacious about the pure, driven snow!
But can you find insurance cover against bits freezing and cracking off?
Rob C
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But can you find insurance cover against bits freezing and cracking off?
Rob C
Now be sensible, Rob. One can do a rehearsal for the shoot with the lady wearing warm clothing which is easy and quick to remove; fur boots and fur coat perhaps.
After everyone concerned is clear as to what's required, the lady can do a quick strip and spend, say, just one minute fully nude in the snow. With a digital camera one can take a lot of photos in one minute.
Now that can't be hard, can it?
I should add, that brief exposures to very cold conditions can be invigorating and healthy. It apparently provides a boost to the immune system. In fact insurance premiums could be reduced as a result of the health benifits of frolicking in the snow.
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[quote name='Ray' date='Jan 12 2010, 03:22 AM' post='339368']
"Now be sensible, Rob. One can do a rehearsal for the shoot with the lady wearing warm clothing which is easy and quick to remove; fur boots and fur coat perhaps."
Which was done by Snowdon for Unipart in Russia.
"After everyone concerned is clear as to what's required, the lady can do a quick strip and spend, say, just one minute fully nude in the snow. With a digital camera one can take a lot of photos in one minute."
Not a lot of fun being a one-minute man...
"Now that can't be hard, can it?"
In the snow? What alternative other than total recall and subsequent recourse to a winkle picker?
"I should add, that brief exposures to very cold conditions can be invigorating and healthy. It apparently provides a boost to the immune system. In fact insurance premiums could be reduced as a result of the health benifits of frolicking in the snow."
I should imagine premiums would be removed entirely - who's going to pay when they are dead?
Which reminds me of an item on the news this morning - a 66-year-old guy in Canada got himself killed by his pet tiger.
Rob C
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Ray... great shot of you and the tigers!!
...could it be that you misunderstood what the monks said?? I think they said.. Get down off there, you old goat!! These things can get lost in translation, don'cha know!
Now... Just where was this place where you can sit with tigers?? I want to do that, also.
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Ray... great shot of you and the tigers!!
...could it be that you misunderstood what the monks said?? I think they said.. Get down off there, you old goat!! These things can get lost in translation, don'cha know!
Now... Just where was this place where you can sit with tigers?? I want to do that, also.
Ha! Ha!. Could be, but I think generally Thai people are too respectful to their elders to use such language .
The location is a temple near Kanchanaburi, Thailand, which is also the location of the WWII "Bridge over the River Kwai" POW drama. I would recommend visting the place at the end of the monsoon period, say November/December when it's cooler and not so crowded. The second time I visited the place was in April. It was very hot, very crowded, and I didn't enjoy the experience as much. When it's quieter, you're allowed greater freedom to wander around in the tiger enclosure taking photos. When it's crowded, there's a certain tension in the air. There are too many tourists to keep an eye upon, and of course, one tourist eaten puts an end to the whole show.
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Thanks ray for the info. I'm going to do a google search and bookmark it for a future trip.
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I should imagine premiums would be removed entirely - who's going to pay when they are dead?
Nonsense! Don't know what the world is coming too. You pony-tailed youngsters seem much too accustomed to the soft life for your own good.
It's well-known that brief exposures to freezing temperatures increase the levels of monocytes and lymphocytes in the immune system, which ward off any potential infection. The principle is, as the body experiences a shock of cold, the immune system springs into action thinking there's something to fight.
There are many old people who keep amazingly fit by taking a swim in cold water during the winter. I'm sure a voluptuous, nude lady could not be harmed by a minute or two's frolic in the snow. If one or two minutes is not long enough for the photographer, then the lady can take a break and get back into her fur coat to warm up. No need to create problems where none exist.
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There are many old people who keep amazingly fit by taking a swim in cold water during the winter.
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I always thought it worked the other way around: from those who take cold swims in frozen water, only amazingly fit people survive long enough to get old... natural selection!
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I always thought it worked the other way around: from those who take cold swims in frozen water, only amazingly fit people survive long enough to get old... natural selection!
That's absolutely correct: those who can don't need to and those who need to can't. That's not only natural selection but natural justice: Sod's Law in yet another guise.
Rob C