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Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Colour Management => Topic started by: mdijb on December 17, 2009, 06:40:12 pm
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I am Using OSX10.6, CS4, and printing on a epson 7600. I downloaded and installed the driver for Snow leopard. I made a new profile on Innova Fibaprint ultrasmooth matte paper. I read the post elsewhere about printing out the targets with snow leopard and the targets look Ok. I printed out one image with the new profile and the results were good and i was able to make some tweaks and print other versions. THen something happened. I printed out a new image on the same paper ant the result was ugly. The test prints were very dark and excessively contrasty. Viewing image on the monitor using the correct profile to soft proof, the image looked good but the output bears no relationship to what is on the the screen--not even close. This is unusual behavior. Do I have a color management problems?
I tried printing with my usual paper and profile and the result was ugly also.
Help!
MDIJB
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I believe you are having the same problem as I am with the Epson Stylus Pro 4000. It uses the same ink set at the 7600. While you may be using the latest driver from Epson, I don't think it is really compatible with Snow Leopard. I have not been able to find any driver other than very expensive RIPs that will work with Snow Leopard. I have an old computer (Mac Dual G4 500) running Tiger with CS2 that I now use to print all of my output. I just share the hard disk that has the final PSD file from my new Mac Pro computer. I would rather print from the new computer, but have not found a way to do it since I upgraded to Snow Leopard.
We all know that the printer companies make the most money by selling ink. I find it interesting that you can still buy ink sets from these companies, but they have decided to stop writing new drivers for these older printers. If they want to keep selling the ink sets, they should support these wide format professional printers more than four years.
Ray Maxwell
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I believe you are having the same problem as I am with the Epson Stylus Pro 4000. It uses the same ink set at the 7600. While you may be using the latest driver from Epson, I don't think it is really compatible with Snow Leopard. I have not been able to find any driver other than very expensive RIPs that will work with Snow Leopard. I have an old computer (Mac Dual G4 500) running Tiger with CS2 that I now use to print all of my output. I just share the hard disk that has the final PSD file from my new Mac Pro computer. I would rather print from the new computer, but have not found a way to do it since I upgraded to Snow Leopard.
We all know that the printer companies make the most money by selling ink. I find it interesting that you can still buy ink sets from these companies, but they have decided to stop writing new drivers for these older printers. If they want to keep selling the ink sets, they should support these wide format professional printers more than four years.
Ray Maxwell
You can always use the ColorSync Utility Workaround to get around your double profiling problem. If it is going to force you to double profiling force it to do it with the same profile, so guess what, no changes can be made by ColorSync using the same profile.
Doyle
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You can always use the ColorSync Utility Workaround to get around your double profiling problem. If it is going to force you to double profiling force it to do it with the same profile, so guess what, no changes can be made by ColorSync using the same profile.
Doyle
What is the Work around you described? Where can I read about this? Is double profiling my problem? Of interest, printed again using the profile supplied by Innova and the same ugly result occurs.
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What is the Work around you described? Where can I read about this? Is double profiling my problem? Of interest, printed again using the profile supplied by Innova and the same ugly result occurs.
First off check in the ColorSync Utility to see if the printer and the media (some) is listed there. If so they have listed a default profile with each media listed. If you can print correctly with the default epson profiles that are associated with media you choose in the driver but not with custom profiles then you are getting double profiling. If you want to print with custom profiles go into the ColorSync Utility and set the same paper profile you are choosing in the application for one of the media settings (the one you choose in the driver) in the Colorsync Utility.
Here is some links that describes this.
http://www.computer-darkroom.com/lr_13_pri...troom_print.htm (http://www.computer-darkroom.com/lr_13_print/lightroom_print.htm)
http://forums.adobe.com/message/1466962?tstart=0 (http://forums.adobe.com/message/1466962?tstart=0)
http://cwaynefox.com/Printing/Entries/2009...nc_profile.html (http://cwaynefox.com/Printing/Entries/2009/4/7_Changing_the_Printers_Default_ColorSync_profile.html)
Doyle
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Thanks for the links above. I cannot place my custom profile in the location described, but I can direct the Color synch utility to where they are, in a different location. The print results are still not right.
When I use to Color synch utility, first aid to verify the profiles, all the epson profiles have this message---"tag dmnd: Tag size is not correct" and they cannot be repaired--is this a problem?
This is very confusing stuff, but I think I am doing it as described.
Epson told me the new driver for 7600 in SNow leopard wiil be released in January, the 10.5 driver v3.09 I downloaded for 10.5 does not seem to work with this work around.
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a quick thought for you - it sometimes happens that for mysterious reasons one or more color profiles become corrupted. ColorSync has a utility that will find and fix sick profiles, if I remember correctly. It is called "Profile First Aid"
Another option is to go to the Print/Fax icon in System Preferences, delete the printer, printer driver, and profiles and re-install fresh. Then restart the computer and printer and see what you get.
I realize you may have done all this already, but it has worked for me more than once. Probably a slim chance.
BTW, my customers are telling me that they have issues with Epson/Snow Leopard, less so from the HP and Canon folk.
hope this helps
David Saffir
http://davidsaffir.wordpress.com (http://davidsaffir.wordpress.com)
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Thanks for the links above. I cannot place my custom profile in the location described, but I can direct the Color synch utility to where they are, in a different location. The print results are still not right.
When I use to Color synch utility, first aid to verify the profiles, all the epson profiles have this message---"tag dmnd: Tag size is not correct" and they cannot be repaired--is this a problem?
This is very confusing stuff, but I think I am doing it as described.
Epson told me the new driver for 7600 in SNow leopard wiil be released in January, the 10.5 driver v3.09 I downloaded for 10.5 does not seem to work with this work around.
I wrote one of those linked articles, and things have changed. Since Snow Leopard the "manufacturers default profile" is not the same as before, but it isn't consistent. For example, for the 3800 the new default is some odd paper type I haven't even deciphered. If you follow the steps to change it, the "blue dot" actually doesn't appear next to any profile as it did under Leopard.
I have been trying to understand the changes and what might be causing problems. Currently I think part of the problem is related to devices that are not correctly registered with ColorSync. I believe this also might make it challenging to use the ColorSync work around. I'm not sure this will resolve problems with the 7600 or 4000 printers, but to ensure the OS printing system is clean you may want to try the steps in this article (http://www.cwaynefox.com/Printing/Entries/2009/12/8_TROUBLESHOOTING_EPSON_PRINTERS_AND_SNOW_LEOPARD.html).
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Thanks for your suggestion. I did remove and reinstalll the OSX 10.5 driver because that is all that is available until the new driver for 10.6 is released in January. The only profiles that show up are the 7600 profiles. This is a new computer so little garbage has accumulated.
MDIJB
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A colleague suggested another solution which involved printing out calibration target directly from EYE software and bypassing photoshop all together. the Target does look different when dong so and the profiles looks very different when softprooofing on the monitor. However the resulting print still looks terrible. Event printing an old image with the old profile results in a terrible print.
Something has changed on OSX 10.6 and no one seems to have a fix. I can only hope the new Driver for the 7600 fixes this problem.
Think outside the box--Anyone have any ideas??
MDIJB
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A colleague suggested another solution which involved printing out calibration target directly from EYE software and bypassing photoshop all together. the Target does look different when dong so and the profiles looks very different when softprooofing on the monitor. However the resulting print still looks terrible. Event printing an old image with the old profile results in a terrible print.
Something has changed on OSX 10.6 and no one seems to have a fix. I can only hope the new Driver for the 7600 fixes this problem.
Think outside the box--Anyone have any ideas??
MDIJB
Sorry. I'm not even sure where I can find a 9600 printer to try and test thing. I'm actually quite surprised Epson is willing to update the drivers. This printer was end-of-lifed several years ago.
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Sorry. I'm not even sure where I can find a 9600 printer to try and test thing. I'm actually quite surprised Epson is willing to update the drivers. This printer was end-of-lifed several years ago.
I have been profiling a 9600 today from SL. It seems to print correctly with any application that uses the old printing path. I could make a good profile printing a target from Indesign CS4 with CM turned off and CM off in the driver and creating the profile in Profilemaker Pro. It is a no go (colorwise) as far as any application that uses the new printing path including having printer manages color.
If there is anything you would like me to test let me know.
Doyle
PS: I should add that, that is with 10.6.2 which has finally fixed the monitor profile being introduced into the RGB printflow from IDCS3 and IDCS4.
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A colleague suggested another solution which involved printing out calibration target directly from EYE software and bypassing photoshop all together. the Target does look different when dong so and the profiles looks very different when softprooofing on the monitor. However the resulting print still looks terrible. Event printing an old image with the old profile results in a terrible print.
Something has changed on OSX 10.6 and no one seems to have a fix. I can only hope the new Driver for the 7600 fixes this problem.
Think outside the box--Anyone have any ideas??
MDIJB
Have you tried printing an old file from your laptop with an old profile? If not, you really won't know if the problem is SL or the printer. Since you still have Tiger on the laptop it should print normally and not involve the new print path. Printing from Eye-One Match would allow you to bypass Colorsync in SL but the current 7600 driver does not have a "Color Matching" option to select "Colorsync" or "Epson controls color" as the latest drivers do. But if the system worked under Tiger before it should work now with the laptop.
Since Doyle has just profiled a 9600 he is probably the guy who can tell you how to configure the driver for the 7600. Printing form Eye-One Match application should be no different than using InDesign or Preview - it just sends the untagged file directly to the printer driver.
Don
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Have you tried printing an old file from your laptop with an old profile? If not, you really won't know if the problem is SL or the printer. Since you still have Tiger on the laptop it should print normally and not involve the new print path. Printing from Eye-One Match would allow you to bypass Colorsync in SL but the current 7600 driver does not have a "Color Matching" option to select "Colorsync" or "Epson controls color" as the latest drivers do. But if the system worked under Tiger before it should work now with the laptop.
Since Doyle has just profiled a 9600 he is probably the guy who can tell you how to configure the driver for the 7600. Printing form Eye-One Match application should be no different than using InDesign or Preview - it just sends the untagged file directly to the printer driver.
Don
I printed out the same image from my laptop running OS TIger 10.4.11 using the profile I made printing the target from Eye 1 directly, and the profile the paper maker supplied and each image has correct color, although the contrast is not right--but this is what I expect. all images need some tweaking but at least the the starting point is close to what I see on my monitor. I think this at least removes my printer as the source of the problem and places the source on Snow leopard.
I see others out there are having problems also--any solutions??
mdijb
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I printed out the same image from my laptop running OS TIger 10.4.11 using the profile I made printing the target from Eye 1 directly, and the profile the paper maker supplied and each image has correct color, although the contrast is not right--but this is what I expect. all images need some tweaking but at least the the starting point is close to what I see on my monitor. I think this at least removes my printer as the source of the problem and places the source on Snow leopard.
I see others out there are having problems also--any solutions??
mdijb
I wonder if Doyle could check the driver for the 9600 that he made successful profiles on and see if "Color Matching" is available in the Epson print dialog. From what you told me, it was not in the driver you are using. "Color Matching" is the switch that sends the data to Colorsync or directly to the Epson driver. It sounds like the target you printed produced a profile that was close when you printed from the laptop with Tiger and is garbage when printed from Snow Leopard. That target was printed on the Mac Pro with Snow Leopard and seems to have produced a valid profile. So what is different? It's the driver - it does not have the Colorsync/Epson controls color switch. I have a feeling that the data even when the profile is selected in CS4 and CS4 wants to send it to Colorsync to apply the profile the data is going directly to the printer and not being color managed.
Don
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I wonder if Doyle could check the driver for the 9600 that he made successful profiles on and see if "Color Matching" is available in the Epson print dialog. From what you told me, it was not in the driver you are using. "Color Matching" is the switch that sends the data to Colorsync or directly to the Epson driver. It sounds like the target you printed produced a profile that was close when you printed from the laptop with Tiger and is garbage when printed from Snow Leopard. That target was printed on the Mac Pro with Snow Leopard and seems to have produced a valid profile. So what is different? It's the driver - it does not have the Colorsync/Epson controls color switch. I have a feeling that the data even when the profile is selected in CS4 and CS4 wants to send it to Colorsync to apply the profile the data is going directly to the printer and not being color managed.
Don
The driver will work ok in SL with applications that use the old path. PSCS4 and LR which use the new printing path will not print correctly no matter what you do. No the 9600 driver does not have Color Matching controls. Again the profiles I made were with Indesign which uses the old path and prints correctly. I did try that profile with image ImageNest and got a lighter print than ID but PSCS4 and LR print way darker and more contrasty. I am not sure what the deal is with ImageNest. Preview also prints darker and more contrasty.
The ColorSync Utility workaround does not work with SN but if I remember correctly it did work with Leopard.
I did not try to make a profile with Eye-one Match (I can try that if someone wants but it will not help in printing from PSCS4) just ProfileMaker Pro.
Doyle
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The driver will work ok in SL with applications that use the old path. PSCS4 and LR which use the new printing path will not print correctly no matter what you do. No the 9600 driver does not have Color Matching controls. Again the profiles I made were with Indesign which uses the old path and prints correctly. I did try that profile with image ImageNest and got a lighter print than ID but PSCS4 and LR print way darker and more contrasty. I am not sure what the deal is with ImageNest. Preview also prints darker and more contrasty.
The ColorSync Utility workaround does not work with SN but if I remember correctly it did work with Leopard.
I did not try to make a profile with Eye-one Match (I can try that if someone wants but it will not help in printing from PSCS4) just ProfileMaker Pro.
Doyle
Thanks Doyle. I think you confirmed what has been going on. You have been right from the beginning - "It's the driver stupid". mdijb printed a target and made a profile from SL on the 7600 with Eye-One Match that is OK when used to print from his laptop with Tiger but is bad when printed on the Mac Pro with SL.
From what I have been able to gather, it would seem that printing from SN with CS4 using a valid profile and an older Epson driver (non-SL) results in a print that is NOT color managed.
Apple posted a new package of Epson printer drivers on December 15th however the 7600 was not updated. Some of the older printers were updated like the 1280.
Don
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From what I have been able to gather, it would seem that printing from SN with CS4 using a valid profile and an older Epson driver (non-SL) results in a print that is NOT color managed.
Don
I is not that it is NOT color managed it is more like Double color managed.
Which brings up an idea that I have yet to test, but here is what I was thinking of trying. Convert to the printer profile in PSCS4 and then assign sRGB, AdobeRGB, or Generic RGB and then print with Printer Manages Color. The idea being that there is a profile applied in the driver by colorsync, but which one. Seems if we could know which one is being applied/converted by colorsync then sending a print with that assigned profile would negate any conversion that colorsync is doing.
Doyle
PS: Just did a preliminary test of this and it looks like Generic RGB is the one to assign. I must say I got a pretty good print. Now I think one should be able to assign Generic RGB to an unmanaged target and be able to print a correct profiling target from PSCS4 to the 3.09 7600 and 9600 driver in Snow Leopard.
Update: I did a test printing unmanaged targets from ID and from PS. The targets match if you assign sRGB in PS. They did not match with Generic RGB. Will read targets later, create a profile, test and report back.
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IT WORKED!
After profiling a target printed from Snow Leopard with PSCS4 assigning sRGB to the unmanaged profile target and setting Printer Manages Color and turning off CM in the 3.09 Epson 9600 driver, I got the exact same color correct printout from PSCS4 that uses the new printing path as I do from IDCS4 that uses the old printing path.
I it is pretty fair to assume that with the old none SL driver for the 7600 and 9600 when printing from PS through the new printing path, that colorsync is converting the output to sRGB. So if you convert the image in PS to the printer profile and then assign sRGB and then print using Printer Manages Color and turning off CM in the 3.09 Epson 9600 driver that you will get a correct color print. Since you cannot assign profiles in LR don't expect this to work when printing from LR.
Now the big question is, will this work with other print drivers that do not print correct color with SL. I have no way to know if all drivers that do not print correct color with SL using the new printing path have colorsync converting to sRGB. You could use my methodology to test various RGB profiles to try and find out what profile colorsync is using if sRGB does not work.
Doyle
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IT WORKED!
After profiling a target printed from Snow Leopard with PSCS4 assigning sRGB to the unmanaged profile target and setting Printer Manages Color and turning off CM in the 3.09 Epson 9600 driver, I got the exact same color correct printout from PSCS4 that uses the new printing path as I do from IDCS4 that uses the old printing path.
Doyle
Doyle- could you publish screen shots of the various steps you took so that we might "duplicate" the process with the printer and driver we have?
Thanks in advance.
Dave
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Doyle- could you publish screen shots of the various steps you took so that we might "duplicate" the process with the printer and driver we have?
Thanks in advance.
Dave
Which process are you asking about.
Printing unmanaged target from ID?
Printing color managed from ID?
Printing unmanaged target from PS?
Printing color managed from PS?
It is really pretty simple once you under stand the concept that the driver/colorsync combo is converting to a profile. Once you figure out what that profile is when printing from an Apple new printing path application make sure it is sent in that profile even if it is just assigning that profile. This may not be reproducible in anything but PS.
I might ad this appears different than what Leopard does because in Leopard you would get the driver/colorsync converting to the profile that was set for the media you chose in the driver or default that you can see in the ColorSync Utility. This is no longer the case with Snow Leopard and that is why the ColorSync Utility Workaround where you could change the default profile in the ColorSync Utility now longer works with SL.
Doyle
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Which process are you asking about.
Printing unmanaged target from PS?
Doyle
Screen shot of PS4 print dialogue and related driver settings. As they say a picture is worth a 1000 words. I'll compare to my epson r2880, v6.62 driver.
ps-i'm a little confused by-
"So if you convert the image in PS to the printer profile and then assign sRGB"
thanks
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Screen shot of PS4 print dialogue and related driver settings. As they say a picture is worth a 1000 words. I'll compare to my epson r2880, v6.62 driver.
ps-i'm a little confused by-
"So if you convert the image in PS to the printer profile and then assign sRGB"
thanks
The printer driver setting are the same printer for ID managed and unmanaged and from PS with the trickery managed and unmanged.
Converting to your printer profile in PS is what you need to do first so that you can then trick the driver/colorsync into doing nothing by assigning sRGB so that is what the driver/colorsync thinks it is getting. In this flow no color is being converted/changed after the conversion to your printer profile in PS. No double profiling this way.
Doyle
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Testing your patience a little longer, could you post images of the 2 dialogues that accomplish the following-
"(1)Converting to your printer profile in PS is what you need to do first so that you can (2) then trick the driver/colorsync into doing nothing by assigning sRGB so that is what the driver/colorsync thinks it is getting."
Dave
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Testing your patience a little longer, could you post images of the 2 dialogues that accomplish the following-
"(1)Converting to your printer profile in PS is what you need to do first so that you can (2) then trick the driver/colorsync into doing nothing by assigning sRGB so that is what the driver/colorsync thinks it is getting."
Dave
Here you go.
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THANKS!
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To avoid any confusion I should add that post Leopard drivers with have the Color Matching option in the drivers and pre Leopard I am pretty sure will not. Leopard drivers will probably not work correctly in SL and will most likely double profile but may not when Printer Manages Color is selected. If that is the case then do not assign sRGB or any other profile.
Doyle
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IT WORKED!
After profiling a target printed from Snow Leopard with PSCS4 assigning sRGB to the unmanaged profile target and setting Printer Manages Color and turning off CM in the 3.09 Epson 9600 driver, I got the exact same color correct printout from PSCS4 that uses the new printing path as I do from IDCS4 that uses the old printing path.
I it is pretty fair to assume that with the old none SL driver for the 7600 and 9600 when printing from PS through the new printing path, that colorsync is converting the output to sRGB. So if you convert the image in PS to the printer profile and then assign sRGB and then print using Printer Manages Color and turning off CM in the 3.09 Epson 9600 driver that you will get a correct color print. Since you cannot assign profiles in LR don't expect this to work when printing from LR.
Now the big question is, will this work with other print drivers that do not print correct color with SL. I have no way to know if all drivers that do not print correct color with SL using the new printing path have colorsync converting to sRGB. You could use my methodology to test various RGB profiles to try and find out what profile colorsync is using if sRGB does not work.
Doyle
I am so glad you did that test Doyle. Although it does not apply to me it will help those that are still trying to keep there old printers alive with Snow Leopard. I hope Epson does release a new driver in January as reported earlier but at least those that have the 7600-9600 printers can get past the problem.
Don
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Wow, I just spoke to Epson pro tech support and the person there told me that ALL Epson Pro printers are having problems with dark prints in Snow Leopard, that it's not a driver issue but a Snow Leopard issue. He said there's nothing Epson can do.
I hadn't heard of this being true for all the printers, but he was certain about it. Anyway, I am having the problem on the 4000, like most seem to be.
Glad I found this thread, thank you for the info! I may be missing something, though, because it's not quite working for us.
1st, in converting the image's profile, should it be to the standard printer profile (e.g., "Pro4000 Standard") or the one for the particular paper type (e.g., "Pro4000 Premium Semigloss")? I assume the latter, right?
2nd, while this workaround fixes the problem of the overly dark prints, we're still getting worse results than we got pre-Snow Leopard on the same printer. Prints are still a bit too dark, some colors are off, and it's doing a very poor job where colors grow dark in the original image (they're losing all saturation too early and suddenly dropping off to gray). Again, this is compared to our pre-Snow Leopard prints on the same printer. I tried assigning sRGB and using "Printer Manages Color." Also tried "Photoshop Manages Color," and also tried not assigning sRGB. Those were worse.
Any ideas? Is it a bad idea to try tweaking things in Color Management in the Print dialog? I know it's best to leave CM off, but as a workaround, is it worth messing with?
We see that onscreen (and in the prints), just converting to any of the the Epson 4000 printer profiles in PS is changing some colors dramatically. Blues go purple, yellows go greenish. We got better blues and yellows in prints before. Maybe the current profiles are bad? I tried using an Ilford paper profile, and that gave us much better blues (both onscreen and in test prints), but it's still off in other ways: still a little too dark overall, and colors still lose saturation as they get dark.
Thanks for any further tips!
~Glenn
P.S. All of our images already have a profile (Adobe RGB 98 for older finished files, or ProPhoto on more recent work, if we haven't already converted to Adobe RGB for printing). Converting again unfortunately degrades the image quality a bit more, but I understand if it's a necessary evil for this workaround. We can't revert to Leopard, so it is what it is. What a shame. I understand all the Epson pro printers work great in Windows 7. Funny.
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[quote name='glenno' date='Jan 12 2010, 07:28 PM' post='339624']
Wow, I just spoke to Epson pro tech support and the person there told me that ALL Epson Pro printers are having problems with dark prints in Snow Leopard, that it's not a driver issue but a Snow Leopard issue. He said there's nothing Epson can do.
Glenn, Epson has NOT updated the drivers for older pro printers for Snow Leopard. The newer printer drivers that have been updated are working fine and print normally. The 4000 has not been updated. Who ever you talked to clearly does not know what works and what does not.
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Glenn, Epson has NOT updated the drivers for older pro printers for Snow Leopard. The newer printer drivers that have been updated are working fine and print normally. The 4000 has not been updated. Who ever you talked to clearly does not know what works and what does not.
That makes much more sense. I asked the guy 3 times because I couldn't believe I hadn't heard any uproar, and he was adamant about it. I guess he just doesn't like Apple. (Or his job? )
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I've been using Tiger for printing until Epson come out with an updated driver for my 9600, hopefully soon unless I've missed them?
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2 weeks ago I talked with EPson asking about the new Snow leopard drivers for the Epson 7600. They told me not until spring. I took the hint and believe it will never appear.
It's a shame they will not support a printer that is only 2 generations old, while all the other makers are doing so.
I was so aggravated that I decided to bail on EPSON and bought a Canon 6100. There is a large rebate available and the easy swappping between ink sets sold me.
I am now up and running and happy with the print results. The problem that started this posting has now disappeared.
MDIJB
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Still nothing on the drivers?
I have a separate boot to Tiger for printing but it's a pain, does anyone have a suggestion so I can work within 10.6 and still achieve the quality of prints I get from printing in Tiger?
ps Thinking maybe a third party software rip or other work around
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Still nothing on the drivers?
I have a separate boot to Tiger for printing but it's a pain, does anyone have a suggestion so I can work within 10.6 and still achieve the quality of prints I get from printing in Tiger?
ps Thinking maybe a third party software rip or other work around
Go back and read the previous posts as I figured out a workaround for printing to a 9600 from 10.6 with PSCS4 which uses Apple's new printing path. This workaround will not work with LR and I did not try it with PSCS3. PSCS3 is an odd ball when it comes to printing as it had some elements in it that made it seem like it was using the new printing path. At least from all indications with iPF driver it seems to use the new printing path.
Anyway I will probably fire up the 9600 tomorrow for some card stock so I may just test it with PSCS3.
Doyle
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Same problem here.
With the Mac and CS3 and 4 I never was able to make a decent print.
I use the Epson R1800 and the 7600.
The only way is to print out of CS4 and with the Epson programs.
No problems with the PC under XP. I use all the same settings and that works perfectly.
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Same problem here.
With the Mac and CS3 and 4 I never was able to make a decent print.
I use the Epson R1800 and the 7600.
The only way is to print out of CS4 and with the Epson programs.
No problems with the PC under XP. I use all the same settings and that works perfectly.
I did some testing with PSCS3 and it matches what prints from PSCS4, but I also printing from ID and the PS prints are slightly darker. Looks like creating a profile from a PS outputted target assigning sRGB would work. It would be defiantly worth a try.
I did not try Generic RGB or Adobe RGB as the assigned profile.
I don't print anything color critical to the Epson 9600 out of PS and the printer driver so I am probably not going to bother with it.
The chances of Epson updating the drivers for these printers to Apple new printing path in probably pretty low, so look for another option like printing from applications that use the old path or old versions of Windows or OS X, or use a RIP.
What Epson Programs?
Doyle
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I had the same problem with the old OS X, snow leopard didn't change the problem.
Prints are always a little bit to dark and a lot to green.
Switching off all profiles in the PS printer workflow and using the vivid selection from the printer selection gives the best result.
Epson Easy Print together with the R1800 gives the desired results.
Or with the 7600 on a XP system.
This problem costed me a lot off paper, inkt, grey hairs and bad mooth...
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I had the same problem with the old OS X, snow leopard didn't change the problem.
Prints are always a little bit to dark and a lot to green.
Switching off all profiles in the PS printer workflow and using the vivid selection from the printer selection gives the best result.
Epson Easy Print together with the R1800 gives the desired results.
Or with the 7600 on a XP system.
This problem costed me a lot off paper, inkt, grey hairs and bad mooth...
I can get color correct prints out of the 9600 with apps that use the old printing path, and I know I got correct prints with PSCS2 and 10.4.x, and with RIPs which is as good as what the limitations of the 9600 are. But, it is and was no where near what I can print from the Canon iPF9000 even though the best from the 9600 was with the Colorburst RIP.
Doyle
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Is anyone with the 9600/7600 using a network card experiencing the same problems as the usb connected printer in Snow Leopard, not sure if there would be anything different but just exploring potential solutions.
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Is anyone with the 9600/7600 using a network card experiencing the same problems as the usb connected printer in Snow Leopard, not sure if there would be anything different but just exploring potential solutions.
I use an Edimax wireless network to USB convertor. It acts the same as with an USB cable.
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I use an Edimax wireless network to USB convertor. It acts the same as with an USB cable.
Thank you.
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I have installed 10.6.3
Now the colors look better on the Epson 7600.
However, the prints are way to dark.
What's wrong? It looks OK on proofing, so it is the driver????
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Thank you Doyle !!!
It worked !!! I almost went nuts.
I have posted about it on my blog: http://joydutta.com/blog/2010/09/30/solution-for-epson-7600-printing-in-snow-leopard/
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Thank you Doyle !!!
It worked !!! I almost went nuts.
I have posted about it on my blog: http://joydutta.com/blog/2010/09/30/solution-for-epson-7600-printing-in-snow-leopard/
Unfortunately with the way CS3s printing is messed up you will probably have to use that workaround.