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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: ixpressraf on November 17, 2009, 01:19:26 pm
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Hi all,
I have a Jenoptic Eyelike M22 but can't find the driver to connect the back to the mac. Help needed.
Thanks in advance.
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I found a driver eyelike capture pro 4,3,xxx but it asks me to insert the camera files CD wich is obviously missing when buing a secnd hand back. What to do now. ThierryH, maybe you can help.......
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You need the CCD files that were on the original disk that came with the back. That disk should be part of any second hand sale as the back is useless without it. Can you contact the seller and get hold of it?
Otherwise MAYBE Jenoptik or Sinar has a library somewhere with all their old back's CCD files on it, or the back could be sent to them to have ones created, but either way I imagine they would charge you to do that.
Ben
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http://www.sinarcameras.com/de/downloads/c...like-capturepro (http://www.sinarcameras.com/de/downloads/category/5-eyelike-capturepro)
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bdp is right. You need the calibration CD that should have been with the sale. The actual capture program (which Thomas linked to) will still require it.
Contact the original seller and if they dont have it (which is odd since its useless without them) try contacting Sinar as Bdp suggested.
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I am not sure where from you bought this back. If from the Sinar dealer then he should have provided you these files, which are absolutely necessary. Other than that, you can contact Sinar directly: there effectively exists a library where all the ref files of the different back sold are stored, at Jenoptik (since it is a Jenoptik back). Sinar will certainly be able to get these files for you, but it is not a free service and costs about CHF 150,- to 200,-.
Best regards,
Thierry
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Thanks for the information. back comes from colleague who passed away a few months ago. His family can not locate the disk's anymore.
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Hi Raf,
A couple of years ago it cost me US$100 to get the CCD reference files (as a download) for an Eyelike M11.
Cheers,
Kumar
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I eventually got hands to the original software CD with corrosponding CCD DATA file.... however: after installing the software i get a message of fire wire time out and i also can't select the H1 camera in the software. I then installed the newer version, 4.4xx but then even nothing happens. I am familiar with working with all phase and hassi/imacon back's, even the older leaf (upto the valeo) and older 6Mp sinar back's but this one really puzzles me. Why doesn't it work like just every other back i used. Please help wanted.
Greetz.
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I eventually got hands to the original software CD with corrosponding CCD DATA file.... however: after installing the software i get a message of fire wire time out and i also can't select the H1 camera in the software. I then installed the newer version, 4.4xx but then even nothing happens. I am familiar with working with all phase and hassi/imacon back's, even the older leaf (upto the valeo) and older 6Mp sinar back's but this one really puzzles me. Why doesn't it work like just every other back i used. Please help wanted.
Greetz.
iXpressraf:
Version 4.4xx was specifically for eMotion backs, not the Precision series, which is what you have. You would need to use Capture Pro 4.3.5.3. But since the release date of Capture Pro 4.3.5.3 was October 2005, it is likely that it will not work well or possibly not at all on Intel systems, Leopard or later OS. What Mac and OS are you using?
Steve Hendrix
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Capture Pro 4.3.5.3 works fine on an intel macbook white with pre-snow leopard OSX at least. Have not installed Snow leopard so cant test that.
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Capture Pro 4.3.5.3 works fine on an intel macbook white with pre-snow leopard OSX at least. Have not installed Snow leopard so cant test that.
That's good to know, although I would caution that since 4.3.5.3 was not written for Intel or Leopard platforms, it may work fine on one computer, perhaps not on another.
Steve Hendrix
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That's good to know, although I would caution that since 4.3.5.3 was not written for Intel or Leopard platforms, it may work fine on one computer, perhaps not on another.
Steve Hendrix
I did just check in with one of my old Eyelike customers and he indicated no problems running on Intel either (Mac OS 10.5.8).
But in any case, iXpressraf, Capture Pro 4.4xxx is not for your back, you need 4.3.5.3.
Steve Hendrix
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OK. have installed 4.3.5.3 on a macbook G4 and now i get "the file eyelike precision can not openedbecause you don't have the acces permission -5000
End of story?????
Then he asks me again to isert my name and phone number but after hitting the ok key: an error occured while reading the ccd file. the application could not work with the camera without the data in the file. But in the library under application support i have the eyelike precission m22 ccd and reference files.
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OK. have installed 4.3.5.3 on a macbook G4 and now i get "the file eyelike precision can not openedbecause you don't have the acces permission -5000
End of story?????
PM'd.
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This is a permissions issue and can be fixed quite simply. I had this when I used a Precision back and installed it on a new Mac, but I can't remember how I fixed it. Check your permissions by using command-I when Eyelike Capture Pro is highlighted in your applications folder. Something needs to be ticked or unticked or something like that.
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Was one of the first things i tried but: nope.......
I wonder if all sinar eyelike back's are that difficult to install....
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Was one of the first things i tried but: nope.......
I wonder if all sinar eyelike back's are that difficult to install....
I am not sure, but may be try to "Repair Permissions".
I never had any problem to install and to get it working.
Best regards,
Thierry
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Was one of the first things i tried but: nope.......
I wonder if all sinar eyelike back's are that difficult to install....
-5000 error is normally relates to DVD reader operation. Perhaps the software is looking for the CCD files on a disc?
If you have them, try burning them on a disc and running the software, maybe it will then find them and put put them wherever they need to be and create the right path for suing them with the back?
Just guessing but worth a try maybe.
yair
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-5000 error is normally relates to DVD reader operation. Perhaps the software is looking for the CCD files on a disc?
If you have them, try burning them on a disc and running the software, maybe it will then find them and put put them wherever they need to be and create the right path for suing them with the back?
Just guessing but worth a try maybe.
yair
That could be the reason.
Since you have the files on the original CD try to simply copy them where they should be on your HD: Library ---> Application Support ---> Eyelike (here there should be a folder for the ref files, but I can't remember the name, drop them in).
Best regards,
Thierry
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yaya, Thierry, the files are nicely sitting inside that folder in application support and inside the folder bearing the back's serial.
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yaya, Thierry, the files are nicely sitting inside that folder in application support and inside the folder bearing the back's serial.
Other possibilities:
- may be the files are corrupted
- do a new CLEAN installation
- drop the Eyelike preferences
Thierry
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Tried that toooooooooooooo....... strange that it won't work.
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I think I remember how I fixed it now - try altering the ownership and permissions of the actual ccd ref files. Highlight them one by one and command-I them. Then check that admin, and everyone has read and write privileges. Or maybe check that the 'Locked' box in the general tab isn't ticked in that same info window that comes up when pressing command-I.
Ben
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Hi Ben, did that but nothing moves....
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When I had to install the reference files for the M11, I was told to first burn them to a CD, enclosing them in a folder called ccd.dat.
Does your CD have the files in that specific folder? But before doing that, you might want to erase all traces of the previous installations.
Kumar
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Have done clean install, restored CCD files and altered permissions. Software works fine now but can't press shutter of H2( H1 upgrade) Maybe the contacts are wrong and do i have to try it with a H1.
Thanks everyone for the input!!!!!!!! First time since a very long time something did not evolve into a DSLR vs MF digital contest.
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Have done clean install, restored CCD files and altered permissions. Software works fine now but can't press shutter of H2( H1 upgrade) Maybe the contacts are wrong and do i have to try it with a H1.
Thanks everyone for the input!!!!!!!! First time since a very long time something did not evolve into a DSLR vs MF digital contest.
Good to hear Raf. For a lot of the work you do, this will produce rewarding files.
Steve Hendrix
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Good to hear Raf. For a lot of the work you do, this will produce rewarding files.
Steve Hendrix
Thanks Steve. I wonder how the files will be in comparison to mu H3dMS and 528 files. But for the time being, the camera still displays "capture not possible. Check magazine"
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I want to try the back on my mamiya 645 ( pro-tl or 645AFD) and therefore i am looking for a cheap adapter to attach this Eyelike M22 on the mamiya camera. If you happen to have an adapter gtting dusty.... give me a PM.
Thanks.
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Raf,
If you have an H adapter for your view camera(s), you could check it out that way and see if the back works properly?
Kumar
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Make sure you select "Hasselblad H1" in the preference:
(http://www.imagehut.eu/images/95175Screen%20shot%202009-11-21%20at%2007.21.20.png)
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OK, swapped trhe H2 for a H1 and i can press the button....... but no capture. Are there some cables between the back and the H1 needed ( there are already a lot of e-contacts between back and body) ?????
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OK, swapped trhe H2 for a H1 and i can press the button....... but no capture. Are there some cables between the back and the H1 needed ( there are already a lot of e-contacts between back and body) ?????
x-sync cable between body and back?
Thierry
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On the bottem of the back there are 4 connections. 1: pc flash sync 2: a strange somewhat bigger flash sync like one 3: a 5pind connector and 4: the fire wire connection.
I never had that much problems installing any back, not even a Volare or "brick" took that much effort.......
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On the bottem of the back there are 4 connections. 1: pc flash sync 2: a strange somewhat bigger flash sync like one 3: a 5pind connector and 4: the fire wire connection.
I never had that much problems installing any back, not even a Volare or "brick" took that much effort.......
I must admit that I never "saw" somebody having so much problems, Raf!
Well, you should have included in the back kit a x-sync cable, which connects body/lens with the back. I can't figure out anymore how the socket on the back side looks like, but it must be 1 or 2
Best regards,
Thierry
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Have you selected H1 in the camera preferences?
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Yep Yaya that was the first thing i did when software ran properly....
Me neither Thierry. I have had almost all back's, from phase to betterlight and from imacon to sinar, leaf, dicomed...... but none of them where so difficult to install. I only have a normal male-male sync cord but that doesn't do the job. Must be something else.....
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Must be something else.....
... Yes.
I see that "Goodi" (ex Jenoptik) is online, he could may be intervene and help?
Thierry
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Must be something else.....
another thought: has the H1 the right firmware? I remember that I used to have an old firmware on a H1 which didn't work with the Sinarback I wanted to connect.
Thierry
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... Yes.
I see that "Goodi" (ex Jenoptik) is online, he could may be intervene and help?
Thierry
I'm responsible for that Sent the SOS to my old support guy.....
Ben
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I'm responsible for that Sent the SOS to my old support guy.....
Ben
... I wouldn't dare to "disturb" Michael, but since he is here ...
Thierry
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The body has firmware 9.3.2
I also have a body with newer firmware but that one even can not be triggered by pressing the button. On the H2 body same story. So i only have one body that can be fired when the back is attached but the back does not fire or take a picture.
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The body has firmware 9.3.2
I also have a body with newer firmware but that one even can not be triggered by pressing the button. On the H2 body same story. So i only have one body that can be fired when the back is attached but the back does not fire or take a picture.
Hi together,
the M22 works fine with the H1 but not with the H2. As far I could remember the M22 should work without extra cabel, cause the contacts are going through the adapter. If you cannot realeas try following. Choose Hasselblad V in the preferences and use the cable going from the sync port to the 4 pin jack of the back
regards
michael
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Hi together,
the M22 works fine with the H1 but not with the H2. As far I could remember the M22 should work without extra cabel, cause the contacts are going through the adapter. If you cannot realeas try following. Choose Hasselblad V in the preferences and use the cable going from the sync port to the 4 pin jack of the back
regards
michael
Hallo Michael,
is it the normal sync socket on the bottem of the back that triggers it????
thanks.
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Hallo Michael,
is it the normal sync socket on the bottem of the back that triggers it????
thanks.
On the bottom of the back you have two plug a bigger one and a smaller one, you have to use the smaller one.
Michael
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I give up, i spent already way to long on this.
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I think you have to 'activate' a capture window before you can capture. It's the upper left icon in the software toolbar from memory. This opens a capture window and makes the light go green on the back so you can shoot. Did you know this? Have you ever had a green light on the back??
Ben
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Hi Ben, I did do that from the beginning. That is how software seemed to run properly, lights turn green after calibration but when i press the shutter no capture takes place.
Maybe i need an extra cable. I made a picture to show the possibilities:
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Hi Ben, I did do that from the beginning. That is how software seemed to run properly, lights turn green after calibration but when i press the shutter no capture takes place.
Maybe i need an extra cable. I made a picture to show the possibilities:
You have to use the cable from the flash sync jack at your camera to the second plug from the left side to sync the back. normally it should also work without, but to be sure that the back is not broken please use the cable and set the camera to Hasselblad V in the preferences.
best regards
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Update: I now have the sync cable and the back works great. What a nice image quality is coming out of such a back. Ok, my 528 and 39Mp are more practical but for the 3000 euro i paid for it, nothing can beat it.
I only wished it had mamiya 645 adaptorplate instead of hasselblad-H.
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Update: I now have the sync cable and the back works great. What a nice image quality is coming out of such a back. Ok, my 528 and 39Mp are more practical but for the 3000 euro i paid for it, nothing can beat it.
I only wished it had mamiya 645 adaptorplate instead of hasselblad-H.
Raf,
Great news!
get in touch with Sinar directly: they may be able to know if such is available somewhere in Jenoptik's stocks.
Best,
Thierry
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Update: I now have the sync cable and the back works great. What a nice image quality is coming out of such a back. Ok, my 528 and 39Mp are more practical but for the 3000 euro i paid for it, nothing can beat it.
I only wished it had mamiya 645 adaptorplate instead of hasselblad-H.
If your local to london I have a couple of precision/mamiya adaptors of uncertain quality
page 2 of this pdf may be useful for camera interface cable identification (http://www.image2output.com/user_resources/TextFiles/pdfs/eMotion%20cameraback%20camera%20Adapter%20kits.pdf) in future
(stable door being bolted firmly!)
Edwin
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If your local to london I have a couple of precision/mamiya adaptors of uncertain quality
page 2 of this pdf may be useful for camera interface cable identification (http://www.image2output.com/user_resources/TextFiles/pdfs/eMotion%20cameraback%20camera%20Adapter%20kits.pdf) in future
(stable door being bolted firmly!)
Edwin
You wouldnt happen to have an RZ adapter for the M11 back by any chance?