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Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: StuartOnline on August 22, 2009, 09:44:46 am
With the release of Apple Snow Leopard being released soon does anyone know if Lightroom 2.4 will work without any problems?
Just wondering since I have heard some programs may have to be updated before they will run on Snow Leopard.

Stu
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: knweiss on August 22, 2009, 12:42:11 pm
Quote from: StuartOnline
With the release of Apple Snow Leopard being released soon does anyone know if Lightroom 2.4 will work without any problems?
Just wondering since I have heard some programs may have to be updated before they will run on Snow Leopard.
There's a wiki which lists the compatibility status of lots of apps: http://snowleopard.wikidot.com/ (http://snowleopard.wikidot.com/). According to this list LR 2.4 does work. But e.g. CS2+CS3 do not!

Personally I'm still worried about the driver support for my Epson Stylus Pro 3800 (especially regarding the 64-bit kernel).
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: StuartOnline on August 22, 2009, 03:15:35 pm
Quote from: knweiss
There's a wiki which lists the compatibility status of lots of apps: http://snowleopard.wikidot.com/ (http://snowleopard.wikidot.com/). According to this list LR 2.4 does work. But e.g. CS2+CS3 do not!

Personally I'm still worried about the driver support for my Epson Stylus Pro 3800 (especially regarding the 64-bit kernel).


Thanks for the link.  I also use CS3 so now I am beginning to wonder about upgrading.
Have been thinking of upgrading to CS4 so I may have to do it now.
Maybe someone on this forum has done some of the bata testing and will be able to report about CS3 and Snow Leopard.
Or maybe Michael Reichmann or Jeff Schewe have some inside information about CS3 running on Leopard along with the different printers.

Stu
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: phila on August 23, 2009, 07:44:23 pm
CS3 is shown as being OK!  
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: StuartOnline on August 23, 2009, 08:11:16 pm
Quote from: phila
CS3 is shown as being OK!  

I see now that http://snowleopard.wikidot.com/ (http://snowleopard.wikidot.com/) show CS3 OK.
However yesterday it showed it as not working. They must of updated the listing.
But anyhow it is good news.

Stu
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: HamSammich on August 24, 2009, 02:41:08 am
Works fine. 10.6 runs mixed 32 and 64 bit apps and drivers transparently. The only thing that will limit you to running the 32 bit kernel is a 32 bit KEXT (kernel extension), such as a mouse driver or VM driver.

And even in 32 bit boot, 64 bit apps still get >4gig RAM support, as long as the app doesn't make any special 64 bit kernel calls (which, apparently, are rarely needed). And no, I'm not under NDA.
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: budjames on August 24, 2009, 04:45:44 am
I just upgraded the RAM in my MacPro 8-core to 32GB. I am ready for Snow Leopard!

My only concern is having the drivers available for peripherals. I have a HP 2200 B&W laser and Dell 5110cn color laser for general home and business printing and an Epson R2400 for my photography prints. Does any one know if the available drivers will work with Snow Leopard?

BTW, I have the 4 x 2GB RAM sticks for sale that I removed from my MP. They are for 667 Mhz (early 2007) MP.

Cheers.
Bud James
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: Josh-H on August 24, 2009, 06:27:13 am
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and Dell 5110cn color laser

How the 'frig' did you get the Dell to work with your mac?

I have had a Dell 5110cn sitting here gathering dust since I went mac more than a year ago (the dell PC it came with was drop kicked out the door 5 minutes after I first booted the mac :-) - its basically a 5th wheel to me. But would like to get it going for word docs etc..

Can you link me to a post or details on how to get it going with OSX?

Quote
I just upgraded the RAM in my MacPro 8-core to 32GB. I am ready for Snow Leopard!

ditto - I now have 32 gig of ram in my mac pro as well. And love it.  
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: StuartOnline on August 24, 2009, 12:51:14 pm
Just a follow up as I this morning pre ordered Snow Leopard from Apple:
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MAC_OS_X (http://store.apple.com/us/product/MAC_OS_X)
Received conformation I should receive if on Friday August 28th.
So I will soon know if these programs work with the new Snow Leopard.

Stu
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: James R on August 24, 2009, 05:38:22 pm
Like many, I have concern about the update and my print drivers.  I'm sure the drivers will be upgraded, but, wondering if there will be any delays.  I would have to have a computer and no printer, even if it were only for a few weeks.

Also wonder about Capture One Pro 4.0.
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: StuartOnline on August 24, 2009, 06:32:52 pm
Quote from: James R
Like many, I have concern about the update and my print drivers.  I'm sure the drivers will be upgraded, but, wondering if there will be any delays.  I would have to have a computer and no printer, even if it were only for a few weeks.

Also wonder about Capture One Pro 4.0.


You may be correct about the print drivers. Currently I am using a Canon IPF5000 and HP Design Jet 130.
According to the discussion forum on Canon ImagePROGRAF Printer Wiki: http://canonipf.wikispaces.com/message/view/FAQ/13195135 (http://canonipf.wikispaces.com/message/view/FAQ/13195135)
it is posted that it could be weeks until drivers for Canon IPF5000 printer are ready.

I also find out via Macworld Website that Snow Leopard http://www.macworld.com/article/142420/200...essupgrade.html (http://www.macworld.com/article/142420/2009/08/businessupgrade.html)
that it has a new feature:

Automatic update for printer drivers. When a printer is connected Snow Leopard connects to the Internet and downloads the most current driver for the device. Snow Leopard also periodically checks via Software Update to ensure that the most up-to-date driver is installed.

This is a cool feature.

Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: stewarthemley on August 24, 2009, 09:02:01 pm
I'll bet there's a bunch of us worrying about printer drivers, et al. I also have an "ancient" (but still pretty good) Designjet 130 and it's fingers crossed time on that one.
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: Mark F on August 25, 2009, 12:03:43 pm
While I'm fairly new to the Mac, I learned the hard way in the Windows world that it does not pay to be the guinea pig on new operating systems or major upgrades. No matter how thoroughly something has been tested there always seem to be glitches and conflicts that have to be fixed and somehow they seem to wind up on my computer.  So  I think I'll let others be ahead of the curve on this one and wait a couple of months to let things shake out. In the meanwhile, I find Leopard 10.5.8 to be perfectly adequate, especially when compared to Windows.

Josh-H :  When I bought my Mac I also bought an HP multi-function laser printer/scanner and could not get it to work. HP support finally gave up and told me that their focus was the WIndows world, not Mac.  So I returned the machine and bought a Brother instead that worked right out of the box.
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: ajtaylor on August 25, 2009, 02:04:02 pm
Quote from: Mark F
While I'm fairly new to the Mac, I learned the hard way in the Windows world that it does not pay to be the guinea pig on new operating systems or major upgrades. No matter how thoroughly something has been tested there always seem to be glitches and conflicts that have to be fixed and somehow they seem to wind up on my computer.  So  I think I'll let others be ahead of the curve on this one and wait a couple of months to let things shake out. In the meanwhile, I find Leopard 10.5.8 to be perfectly adequate, especially when compared to Windows.

That thinking doesn't always apply, at least not to companies with proper software development cycles for their OS.

At Sun, for example, the way things worked was that any bugs reported in the current release of Solaris were *always* fixed in the development release first, then backported as patches to earlier releases if appropriate or desired. So, when you installed Solaris 10 FCS, you got all the bug fixes that had been reported up until the code freeze point, so you should have a more stable release.

I hazard a guess that MacOS development works in a similar way. Yes, there will be new features, or major rewrites of sub-systems or applications (Finder in the case of Snow Leopard), which does have a bearing.
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: StuartOnline on August 27, 2009, 08:53:15 am
I like some others I have been concerned about Adobe Photoshop CS3 running on Snow Leopard.
After reading the article below I feel much better about CS3 running on Snow Leopard.

Information about Photoshop CS3 on Snow Leopard
http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2009/08/pscs3...nowleopard.html (http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2009/08/pscs3_on_snowleopard.html)
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: Josh-H on August 28, 2009, 01:16:01 am
I have snow leopard now installed on my mac book pro and mac pro - no problems at all with the upgrades.

Immediate impression - its a LOT faster.  

So far all my applications are working without issue - except my Sonos multiroom (http://www.sonos.com) audio application which crashes under Snow Leopard.

CS4 and Lightroom no issues whatsoever.
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: StuartOnline on August 28, 2009, 08:00:59 am
Quote from: Josh-H
I have snow leopard now installed on my mac book pro and mac pro - no problems at all with the upgrades.

Immediate impression - its a LOT faster.  

So far all my applications are working without issue - except my Sonos multiroom (http://www.sonos.com) audio application which crashes under Snow Leopard.

CS4 and Lightroom no issues whatsoever.

Good to hear that Lightroom has no problems with Snow Leopard.
I should receive my copy via FedEx sometime today.
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: StuartOnline on August 28, 2009, 08:25:31 am
Quote from: stewarthemley
I'll bet there's a bunch of us worrying about printer drivers, et al. I also have an "ancient" (but still pretty good) Designjet 130 and it's fingers crossed time on that one.

Good news.
Apple has posted "Mac OS X v10.6: Printer and scanner software" supported with Mac OS X v10.6 as of August 27, 2009.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3669 (http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3669)

Design Jet 130 along with many other printers are listed.
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: Josh-H on August 28, 2009, 09:03:41 am
Quote from: StuartOnline
Good news.
Apple has posted "Mac OS X v10.6: Printer and scanner software" supported with Mac OS X v10.6 as of August 27, 2009.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3669 (http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3669)

Design Jet 130 along with many other printers are listed.

Unfortunately the Canon IPF100 series are not listed and the current drivers DONT work.
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: StuartOnline on August 28, 2009, 02:45:56 pm
Quote from: Josh-H
Unfortunately the Canon IPF100 series are not listed and the current drivers DONT work.


Well after installing Snow Leopard The HP Design Jet 130 ran with hardly any problems.
However the Canon IOF5000 is a NO GO.
Go figure how an older printer link the HP 130 works but not the newer IPF5000.
Have heard it will be October before drivers are available for the Canons.

Now a followup about the HP 130.
After testing with Lighroom it will not accept Profiles.
Meaning it always reverts back to Manage By Printer.
This is a bummer. No driver for the Canon IPF5000 and the HP 130 will not recognize Print Profiles.
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: jnmoore on August 28, 2009, 06:40:51 pm
Quote from: StuartOnline
With the release of Apple Snow Leopard being released soon does anyone know if Lightroom 2.4 will work without any problems?
Just wondering since I have heard some programs may have to be updated before they will run on Snow Leopard.

Stu

I just installed Snow Leopard and Lightroom (latest version) boots up fine and seems normal although I haven't tried to do much yet.  
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: Doyle Yoder on August 28, 2009, 11:41:52 pm
Quote from: StuartOnline
Well after installing Snow Leopard The HP Design Jet 130 ran with hardly any problems.
However the Canon IOF5000 is a NO GO.
Go figure how an older printer link the HP 130 works but not the newer IPF5000.
Have heard it will be October before drivers are available for the Canons.

Now a followup about the HP 130.
After testing with Lighroom it will not accept Profiles.
Meaning it always reverts back to Manage By Printer.
This is a bummer. No driver for the Canon IPF5000 and the HP 130 will not recognize Print Profiles.

You should be able to print from the iPF5000. I have not test this with 64bit kernel.

It appears that the printer driver works in SL if is connected by "lpd" but not if it is connected by "dnssd://Canon%20iPF9000%20%286B6093%29._pdl-datastream._tcp.local./?bidi"

I am sure you will need connected by ethernet for this to work.

Yes I have successfully printed from Indesign to my iPF9000 at least running the 32-bit kernel. Bad part is Indesign has some problems with SL. The printer profiles will not so up unless they are in the /Library/Application Support/Adobe/Color/Profiles. No profile will so up that are in System and User locations. This also affect Acrobat but not Photoshop or Illustrator.

Also the issue from ID where the monitor profile gets introduced into the printflow is still there. Sure hope that the new still have Fast Graphic Process.

No I cannot get the plugin to work, as it appears even if I choose lpd path it still requires the PrintMonitor that fails. Photoshop printing 16-bit file works fine through the driver as well as Lightroom running as a 64-bit app providing you use a printer preset. It does appear the printing correctly from LR is still dependent on the printer registered properly with in the ColorSync Utility.

I added the printer again and this is how I discovered this. Also when adding a new printers in I had to use the CUPS interface to set it to LPD, and when I did that everything printed correct from LR.

Doyle

Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: StuartOnline on August 29, 2009, 09:15:16 am
Quote from: DYP
You should be able to print from the iPF5000. I have not test this with 64bit kernel.

It appears that the printer driver works in SL if is connected by "lpd" but not if it is connected by "dnssd://Canon%20iPF9000%20%286B6093%29._pdl-datastream._tcp.local./?bidi"

I am sure you will need connected by ethernet for this to work.

Yes I have successfully printed from Indesign to my iPF9000 at least running the 32-bit kernel. Bad part is Indesign has some problems with SL. The printer profiles will not so up unless they are in the /Library/Application Support/Adobe/Color/Profiles. No profile will so up that are in System and User locations. This also affect Acrobat but not Photoshop or Illustrator.

Also the issue from ID where the monitor profile gets introduced into the printflow is still there. Sure hope that the new still have Fast Graphic Process.

No I cannot get the plugin to work, as it appears even if I choose lpd path it still requires the PrintMonitor that fails. Photoshop printing 16-bit file works fine through the driver as well as Lightroom running as a 64-bit app providing you use a printer preset. It does appear the printing correctly from LR is still dependent on the printer registered properly with in the ColorSync Utility.

I added the printer again and this is how I discovered this. Also when adding a new printers in I had to use the CUPS interface to set it to LPD, and when I did that everything printed correct from LR.

Doyle


Doyle

Thanks for the information but it is just a no go.

Have removed and reinstalled the driver for the IPF5000 a number of times and still no luck.
Will show up in System Preferences and under Print & Fax with the Green light as Idle, however when trying to print it is a no go.
I get an error: Error code : 20600.  Also states Driver not installed correctly.  Will also state to check for newer driver using Software Update.
After doing this a number of times I feel that the current driver for the IPF5000 is not compatible with Snow Leopard.

Stu
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: Doyle Yoder on August 29, 2009, 09:34:44 am
Quote from: StuartOnline
Doyle

Thanks for the information but it is just a no go.

Have removed and reinstalled the driver for the IPF5000 a number of times and still no luck.
Will show up in System Preferences and under Print & Fax with the Green light as Idle, however when trying to print it is a no go.
I get an error: Error code : 20600.  Also states Driver not installed correctly.  Will also state to check for newer driver using Software Update.
After doing this a number of times I feel that the current driver for the IPF5000 is not compatible with Snow Leopard.

Stu

Make sure that "Start Printmonitor when printing" in unchecked in Print Monitor preferences. Also check the CUPS interface and modify the connection so it is connected with LPD.

http://127.0.0.1:631/printers (http://127.0.0.1:631/printers)

Doyle
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: StuartOnline on August 29, 2009, 01:54:31 pm
Quote from: DYP
Make sure that "Start Printmonitor when printing" in unchecked in Print Monitor preferences. Also check the CUPS interface and modify the connection so it is connected with LPD.


Doyle


Thanks for all the help but still no go.
In fact now when I try printing in Lightroom with the Canon IPF5000 printer Lightroom shuts down with error.
When printing with HP130 this does not happen. Go figure. It just does not work with the current Canon IPF5000 Driver.
From I have read via The Unofficial Canon ImagePROGRAF Printer Wiki http://canonipf.wikispaces.com/ (http://canonipf.wikispaces.com/) drivers for the Canon IPF5000 and others will not be available until around  October 19th.  Guess I just have to wait until then.

Stu
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: Scott Martin on August 29, 2009, 03:31:09 pm
On or before October 9th.
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: budjames on August 29, 2009, 04:52:26 pm
Quote from: Josh-H
How the 'frig' did you get the Dell to work with your mac?

I have had a Dell 5110cn sitting here gathering dust since I went mac more than a year ago (the dell PC it came with was drop kicked out the door 5 minutes after I first booted the mac :-) - its basically a 5th wheel to me. But would like to get it going for word docs etc..

Can you link me to a post or details on how to get it going with OSX?



ditto - I now have 32 gig of ram in my mac pro as well. And love it.  

Dell has Mac OS Drivers for all of their printers. I purchased the Dell color laser 2 months before switching over to all Macs. It's actually been a great general purpose office printer for my business - fast, duplexing and low toner cost, relatively speaking.

Bud
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: budjames on August 29, 2009, 05:00:47 pm
I installed SL on my early 2007 MacPro 8-core last night along with my late 2008 unibody MacBookPro, my daughter's 2007 MacBook (white) and my kids late 2008 iMac 20" all with no problems. The only issue off the bat was that Mail would not quit on all buy my daughter's MacBook. The fix for all 3 affected Macs was to drag the ~/Library/Mail folder to the desktop, restart Mail and import the mail from the desktop folder before deleting it.

On the MacPro, I've been working with LR 2.4 and PS CS4 using Viveza and Color Efex Pro 2.0 all day today without any issues. I made a few prints from within LR to my Epson R2400 using profiles set inside LR with no problems either.

All is looking pretty good right now.

Cheers.
Bud James
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: gdanmitchell on August 30, 2009, 06:21:25 pm
My Epson 2200 encountered a bunch of problems after the update - grrr.....

First, the computer could not see the printer at all. I finally managed to get to the Epson site, download and reinstall the latest pre-10.6 driver, and the run their updater for 10.6 on top of that. Finally I can see the printer and send files to it...

... but the color is way off. A file that printed just fine 48 hours ago from 10.5 is now too dark and rather greenish. I'm doing the usual printer dialog dance of letting photoshop manage color and then turning off color management in the follow-up dialog box that offers me the option to let Epson's drivers manage color.  But the result looks pretty much like I did not do this.

Not a happy camper here...

Dan
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: Doyle Yoder on August 30, 2009, 07:56:12 pm
Quote from: gdanmitchell
My Epson 2200 encountered a bunch of problems after the update - grrr.....

First, the computer could not see the printer at all. I finally managed to get to the Epson site, download and reinstall the latest pre-10.6 driver, and the run their updater for 10.6 on top of that. Finally I can see the printer and send files to it...

... but the color is way off. A file that printed just fine 48 hours ago from 10.5 is now too dark and rather greenish. I'm doing the usual printer dialog dance of letting photoshop manage color and then turning off color management in the follow-up dialog box that offers me the option to let Epson's drivers manage color.  But the result looks pretty much like I did not do this.

Not a happy camper here...

Dan

Is the printer registered properly with in the ColorSync Utility?

Doyle
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: vandevanterSH on August 30, 2009, 11:09:24 pm
Not a happy camper here...
*********
I had the same sort of problems with the 10.5 upgrade and my 3800.  Wasn't resolved until the new drivers were released.  I can't wait to install 10.6!!!

steve
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: Scott Martin on August 31, 2009, 08:46:11 am
Quote from: vandevanterSH
Not a happy camper here...
*********
I had the same sort of problems with the 10.5 upgrade and my 3800.  Wasn't resolved until the new drivers were released.
Which is all to be expected. With reader reports and compatibility wikis we can choose our transition times wisely.
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: James R on August 31, 2009, 10:17:42 am
This will be my first Mac OS upgrade.  A quick question:  Will I need to reload all apps, such as LR2, and will I lose all my preference?  I don't relish setting up these programs again.
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: GregW on August 31, 2009, 10:39:21 am
Quote from: James R
This will be my first Mac OS upgrade.  A quick question:  Will I need to reload all apps, such as LR2, and will I lose all my preference?  I don't relish setting up these programs again.

If you follow the standard OS upgrade process no; provided of course everything runs ok, which it should. A backup is always a good idea. If this is your first time it wouldn't hurt to take a look at Installing Snow Leopard: What you need to know (http://www.macworld.com/article/142454/2009/08/install_snow_leopard.html) from Macworld. Here is   A complete list of all Macworld Snow Leopard articles (http://www.macworld.com/article/142459/2009/08/snow_leopard.html?lsrc=top_1)
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: francois on August 31, 2009, 12:42:35 pm
Quote from: GregW
If you follow the standard OS upgrade process no; provided of course everything runs ok, which it should. A backup is always a good idea. If this is your first time it wouldn't hurt to take a look at Installing Snow Leopard: What you need to know (http://www.macworld.com/article/142454/2009/08/install_snow_leopard.html) from Macworld. Here is   A complete list of all Macworld Snow Leopard articles (http://www.macworld.com/article/142459/2009/08/snow_leopard.html?lsrc=top_1)
Usually, printers/faxes need to be added again but other software preferences are preserved.
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: James R on August 31, 2009, 04:14:20 pm
Quote from: GregW
If you follow the standard OS upgrade process no; provided of course everything runs ok, which it should. A backup is always a good idea. If this is your first time it wouldn't hurt to take a look at Installing Snow Leopard: What you need to know (http://www.macworld.com/article/142454/2009/08/install_snow_leopard.html) from Macworld. Here is   A complete list of all Macworld Snow Leopard articles (http://www.macworld.com/article/142459/2009/08/snow_leopard.html?lsrc=top_1)


Thanks Gregg.  I'll check out the articles.
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: Pinga on September 02, 2009, 07:43:51 pm
Quote from: gdanmitchell
My Epson 2200 encountered a bunch of problems after the update - grrr.....

First, the computer could not see the printer at all. I finally managed to get to the Epson site, download and reinstall the latest pre-10.6 driver, and the run their updater for 10.6 on top of that. Finally I can see the printer and send files to it...

... but the color is way off. A file that printed just fine 48 hours ago from 10.5 is now too dark and rather greenish. I'm doing the usual printer dialog dance of letting photoshop manage color and then turning off color management in the follow-up dialog box that offers me the option to let Epson's drivers manage color.  But the result looks pretty much like I did not do this.

Not a happy camper here...

Dan

Greetings Dan,
I had the same setup, Snow Leopard and Epson 2200, using Aperture and Lightroom.  Had exactly the same problem as you, dark and greenish prints.  The reason for this is because Apple has finally moved from gamma 1.8 to 2.2 in Snow Leopard.  The old epson drivers are set up for gamma 1.8 by default.  After realizing this, and wasting 30 sheets of photo paper, and banging my head against the wall for three days - finally found the solution.

You're setup is most likely the usual, and proper, where you set up your color profile, media icc profile, etc in your in application (ie, aperture, photoshop, lightroom), and set your printer driver's "Color Management" to "No Color Adjustment".  This is what you must now do differently - set your Color Management to "Color Controls", and there you can set the driver's gamma to 2.2.  And viola!  You've got full use of your 2200 again!  Now be sure not to mess with the color sliders in that screen - continue to use the color adjustments and media icc profile in your application because the ONLY change you are overriding in the driver is the gamma - so you should be good to go.

Finally, beware of black point compensation (at least in Aperture) - you may need to disable this for now.  This is a separate issue which Apple has posted a KB article on http://support.apple.com/kb/TS2978 (http://support.apple.com/kb/TS2978).

Hope this helps!  Cheers!
Pinga.
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: gdanmitchell on September 02, 2009, 11:18:03 pm
Quote from: DYP
Is the printer registered properly with in the ColorSync Utility?

Doyle

Doyle, can you elaborate - I'm not sure what you mean by this.

Thanks,

Dan
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: gdanmitchell on September 02, 2009, 11:48:19 pm
Quote from: Pinga
Greetings Dan,
I had the same setup, Snow Leopard and Epson 2200, using Aperture and Lightroom.  Had exactly the same problem as you, dark and greenish prints.  The reason for this is because Apple has finally moved from gamma 1.8 to 2.2 in Snow Leopard.  The old epson drivers are set up for gamma 1.8 by default.  After realizing this, and wasting 30 sheets of photo paper, and banging my head against the wall for three days - finally found the solution.

You're setup is most likely the usual, and proper, where you set up your color profile, media icc profile, etc in your in application (ie, aperture, photoshop, lightroom), and set your printer driver's "Color Management" to "No Color Adjustment".  This is what you must now do differently - set your Color Management to "Color Controls", and there you can set the driver's gamma to 2.2.  And viola!  You've got full use of your 2200 again!  Now be sure not to mess with the color sliders in that screen - continue to use the color adjustments and media icc profile in your application because the ONLY change you are overriding in the driver is the gamma - so you should be good to go.

Finally, beware of black point compensation (at least in Aperture) - you may need to disable this for now.  This is a separate issue which Apple has posted a KB article on http://support.apple.com/kb/TS2978 (http://support.apple.com/kb/TS2978).

Hope this helps!  Cheers!
Pinga.

Pinga:

Thanks for this advice - I have a print "in the hopper" as I write this and we'll see what happens. To make sure I'm on the right track with your instructions here, my process goes like this:

1. In the Photoshop print dialog I do the "page setup" thing to select my printer and paper, then let Photoshop manage colors, and make sure that I have the correct paper/printer profile selected and so forth. (Photoshop manages colors; Printer Profile:SP2200 Premium Lustre_PK; rendering intent: Relative Colorimetric; Black Point Compensation on - all pretty plain vanilla and it gives me a very accurate print.)

2. I click Print...

3. In the Print dialog window that appears I do the usual stuff: Select the usual "Print Settings" after choosing that popup.

4. Then, following your instructions, in this same Print dialog I choose the Color Management screen and now click the "Color Controls" button. Then I set Gamma to 2.2 instead of the default 1.8.

5. A question: In this window there is a "Mode:" popup menu. The default option is "Vivid." The alternative is "Photo-realistic." Seems to me that "photo-realistic" would be the more likely option - any thoughts on this?

Thanks in advance!

Dan

OK, results are in. It sort of works - but I would not sell a print of the quality that comes out this way.

I had previously tried letting the Epson driver manage the printing but without changing the gamma. That gave me a semi-OK print but did not match the carefully calibrated and accurate results I was getting before when printing the normal way under OS 10.5.x. (In order to work around the driver problem I had used the "photo-realistic" setting in the Print dialog box but left the gamma on the original setting.) The image has enough of a blue cast that I would not use it for a serious print - some might consider it subtle, but it isn't right - I regard it as unacceptable, I'm afraid.

When I tried your suggestion - at least if I'm following the instructions correctly - the result is similar. While the print is no longer the God-awful way-too-dark-blue/green mess that I get when I try to print the way I did before (e.g. - Photoshop manages color, and color management turned off in the Print dialog window) it is slightly but very noticeably darker and bluer - the same as I got before when I let "Color Controls" take over.

At this point it seems that there are only three options:

1. Wait and hope that Epson updates the driver for the 2200. If they do, I'm a happy camper. If they don't, that tells me something about what kind of support I'd get from Epson if I end up choosing the third option below...

2. Connect that printer to an older non-Intel Mac running an earlier version of the OS. Install a copy of CS4 on that machine and use it for printing. Ugly, but it has the advantages that it a) should work, and  shouldn't cost anything.

3. Buy a new printer. As I consider whether to get another Epson (thinking of the 7900, actually) or an alternative from HP, the bad taste left in my mouth if Epson stops supporting a popular printer like the 2200 would have a significant effect on my choice since it would indicate their disinclination to support their products for very long.

Dan
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: Doyle Yoder on September 03, 2009, 07:24:07 am
Quote from: gdanmitchell
Doyle, can you elaborate - I'm not sure what you mean by this.

Thanks,

Dan

Open the ColorSync Utility. Under devices is your printer listed there with a list of media setting and their associated profiles?

Doyle
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: Pinga on September 03, 2009, 06:42:23 pm
I'm leaving my prints in "Photo Realistic" and they seem fine.  I can't exactly be sure the quality is identical as pre-snow leopard, however.  

Pretty much on the same boat here. I suppose I can wait a month or two for new drivers & profiles from epson as my need for a printer is not so critical.  But it will suck to have to get rid of my 2200 because of this - i'd definitely feel better with Epson addressing this issue.  

I do have a license for VMWare, maybe I can host a windows virtual machine and print thru it instead, but it seems like a bunch of BS to deal with.   Let's hope Epson comes thru for us.

Good luck!
p.
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: peter_964rs on September 04, 2009, 04:50:50 am
I installed Snow Leopard on my 17" Macbook Pro yesterday.

Installation was smooth but I ended up with about ten bouncing "Software Update" icons on the Dock and a request "This software needs Rosetta" which I then installed.

iStat Menus and Microsoft Live Sync don't work, the latter is a real pain as I use that extensively. Await an ETA for a fix for both.

Lightroom is fine but ran in 32-bit mode until I performed cmd-I on the application icon and un-checked "run in 32-bit mode"; it is now 25-40% faster rendering previews for the Sony A900 images I have.

Slightly disappointed that v2.4 does not appear to make use of Grand Central Dispatch out of the box to leverage the power of the co-processors. Perhaps someone could confirm if this is in v2.5?
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: madmanchan on September 04, 2009, 09:07:37 am
LR already takes advantage of multiple cores when rendering images.
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: peter_964rs on September 05, 2009, 03:28:09 am
Quote from: madmanchan
LR already takes advantage of multiple cores when rendering images.
True, but what I mean is the potential massive increase in speed using the cores within the Nvidia graphics chips which are in my laptop - this is what GCD provides (if I understand correctly). For reasons best known to themselves, Apple saw fit to include two graphics coprocessors in my Macbook, the 9400 and the 9600.
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: Scott Martin on September 05, 2009, 09:49:03 am
Quote from: peter_964rs
True, but what I mean is the potential massive increase in speed using the cores within the Nvidia graphics chips which are in my laptop - this is what GCD provides (if I understand correctly). For reasons best known to themselves, Apple saw fit to include two graphics coprocessors in my Macbook, the 9400 and the 9600.
Open CL is the technology that would allow an application to utilize the GPU for certain functions. http://www.apple.com/macosx/technology/ (http://www.apple.com/macosx/technology/)
I wouldn't expect to see OpenCL compatibility in existing apps but we should see growing usage in future apps.
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: knweiss on September 05, 2009, 09:58:25 am
Quote from: peter_964rs
iStat Menus and Microsoft Live Sync don't work, the latter is a real pain as I use that extensively. Await an ETA for a fix for both.
iStat Menus has an update (2.0) which works fine on SL. I've installed it myself yesterday. It now also has a 64-bit preferences pane.
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: budjames on September 05, 2009, 11:40:26 am
I installed iStat Menu 2.0 on my MacPro and MacBookPro 15 both running SL. Works great!

I made a donation I like it so much. Much improved over the pre-SL version 1.3.

Bud
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: dchew on September 05, 2009, 02:21:23 pm
Quote from: peter_964rs
...For reasons best known to themselves, Apple saw fit to include two graphics coprocessors in my Macbook, the 9400 and the 9600.

After just crossing the (small) pond from France to the US in a plane with no power in the seat, I'm glad they did.  My 17" mbp lasted the entire 8 hrs thanks to using the wimpy graphics processor (and of course the LED screen).

Perhaps there is some other way to reduce power draw on the fast processor that could have duplicated this battery life without a second, slow processor, but I don't know what that would be.

So I for one am glad they did it.

Dave
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: madmanchan on September 05, 2009, 08:20:42 pm
Quote from: Onsight
Open CL is the technology that would allow an application to utilize the GPU for certain functions. http://www.apple.com/macosx/technology/ (http://www.apple.com/macosx/technology/)
I wouldn't expect to see OpenCL compatibility in existing apps but we should see growing usage in future apps.

Scott is right: in general, current applications have to be re-written to take advantage of OpenCL. Doable, but far from trivial.
Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: StuartOnline on September 08, 2009, 06:57:33 pm
Quote from: DYP
Make sure that "Start Printmonitor when printing" in unchecked in Print Monitor preferences. Also check the CUPS interface and modify the connection so it is connected with LPD.

http://127.0.0.1:631/printers (http://127.0.0.1:631/printers)

Doyle


I have now fooled around with trying to get the Canon IPF5000 to print with Snow Leopard for over a week now with no luck.
HP Design Jet 130 is working with hardly any problems.

Will now just wait until the driver updates from Canon are available on October 9th for the IPF5000.

Title: Lightroom 2.4 & Apple Snow Leopard
Post by: Scott Martin on September 08, 2009, 08:33:57 pm
Quote from: StuartOnline
I have now fooled around with trying to get the Canon IPF5000 to print with Snow Leopard for over a week now with no luck.
HP Design Jet 130 is working with hardly any problems. Will now just wait until the driver updates from Canon are available on October 9th for the IPF5000.
FWIW, Doyle "DYP" has been using several Canon iPF printers under Snow Leopard by disabling the Print Monitor.
Details at: http://canonipf.wikispaces.com/message/view/FAQ/13780837 (http://canonipf.wikispaces.com/message/view/FAQ/13780837)