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Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Colour Management => Topic started by: kevs on March 17, 2009, 04:13:57 pm
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I'm in CS4, and I'm painting white on a black layer mask, and I'm getting thirty second delays between my brushstoke and it taking effect? What going on???
CS4 is advertised as being much faster than CS3. I went back to CS3 and the speed is fine/normal in CS3.
Also bizarre is the brushstokes in CS4 look like this (click new window):
http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture1yof.jpg (http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture1yof.jpg)
As opposed to CS3, which look normal like this:
http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture1yof.jpg (http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture1yof.jpg)
thanks
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CS4
mac/10.4.12
G5 dual 1.8
Canon 5D
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Sorry, the CS3 link is this:
http://img13.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture2m.jpg (http://img13.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture2m.jpg)
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I'm in CS4, and I'm painting white on a black layer mask, and I'm getting thirty second delays between my brushstoke and it taking effect? What going on???
CS4 is advertised as being much faster than CS3. I went back to CS3 and the speed is fine/normal in CS3.
Also bizarre is the brushstokes in CS4 look like this (click new window):
http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture1yof.jpg (http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture1yof.jpg)
As opposed to CS3, which look normal like this:
http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture1yof.jpg (http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture1yof.jpg)
thanks
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CS4
mac/10.4.12
G5 dual 1.8
Canon 5D
First of all, that "Image Shack" website tried to store all kinds of irrelevant cookies on my computer and introduced pop-ups for computer games in which I have zero interest. I intensely dislike such websites.
Now to your problem - yes CS4 is more resource intensive than CS3 and bogs down many computers. Well known issue by now. Adobe has a publication telling us how to optimize our computers (be it Mac or PC) for use with CS4. There are other threads on this Forum discussing this issue as well. One of the suggestions is to disable OpenGL if you have not done so already. Also, make sure your scratch disk is on a separate physical drive from the system drive. One computer system engineer I know recommended to me that a 64 bit computer with 4 cores and 8 GB of RAM would solve CS4 speed issues. As to the brush behaviour, I've seen delays, and incomplete brush formation (the tool tip itself), but not the wonky results you illustrate.
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Mark,
appreciate it, glad this is a known issue. It's totally outrageous as far as I'm concerned.
If you have a better link site than Image shack let me know. I will switch immediately.
Where do I shut down the open GL? Never heard of that.
I have scratch drive on external drives.
CS3 is working fine.
If this GL thing does not solve it, then I will have to revert back to CS3.
The idea I would have to revert back to a previous software of a major software is beyond coprehension.
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" computer system engineer I know recommended to me that a 64 bit computer with 4 cores and 8 GB of RAM would solve CS4 speed issues."
It's almost a comic statement, although I do appreciate the reality of it. Does Adobe give me a 50% couple for the $3000.00 upgrade?
They advertise this $200 upgrade as being much faster. But they forget to put some fine print you will have to upgrade your G5 now, not in six months or a year, now.
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Kev, you'll find a complete primer on optimizing CS4 for Mac OS here: Optimize PS CS4-Mac (http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=kb404440&sliceId=1). I use Windows so I'm not sure where to direct you about OpenGL for Mac, but most likely it is explained in this document.
No, what the computer scientist told me was not a joke - he meant it. Nor is Adobe misleading anyone. In principle, the program may well be faster than CS3 - provided of course you have the horsepower to operate it efficiently - and don't look at their minimum system requirements, because minimum doesn't mean optimal. It is perfectly normal for hardware to become dated by the evolution of applications. Would you consider running OSX on a 1986 MacPlus? I have CS4 downloaded and installed, but I'm also using CS3 - works better, and I have a dual-core with 2 Xeon 5160 3 GHz processors - but 32 bit system limited to 3 GB of useful RAM. So I'm facing the same issue and so far decided there isn't enough value-added in CS4 to make a computer up-grade worthwhile.
But what I've understood out of all this - and worthwhile thinking about - Adobe has embarked on a new path for Photoshop with this release. They will no doubt be continuing down this road in the future. At the same time that they are aiming ti simplify how the program works, they are also adding nifty new features which may well be resource-intensive. So at some future up-grade it will have accumulated to the stage where one WANTS enough of the new stuff that a new computer will become inevitable. There are only so many times in life when 200 bucks buys you a lot of value-added. We had that migrating through 7>CS.CS2>CS3. Now the real value:cost equation is changing.
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I'm not sure where to direct you about OpenGL for Mac, Prefences
Not sure if this is the dialog box you are looking for but within the Photoshop's Preferences under the Photoshop menu General then to Performance to turn off OpenGL also make sure that your Scratch Disk listed in the number one position has lots of space & is not the disk running the OS
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Yes, same path in the Windows version.
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The GL box is greyed becuse I don't have a card made in last 2 years. So I'm out of luck. I understand what you are saying, but it's still BS, never had to try to return a major software upgrade. Adobe is really at fault here.
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The GL box is greyed becuse I don't have a card made in last 2 years. So I'm out of luck. I understand what you are saying, but it's still BS, never had to try to return a major software upgrade. Adobe is really at fault here.
No, you are not "out of luck" because if the box is greyed OpenGL is NOT enabled as it can't be operated on your graphics card.
And no, what I'm telling you is not BS, and no again, Adobe is not at fault. I think you simply have to face the fact that your hardware is dated relative to the most recent software. There is nothing particularly unusual about this and nothing to blame on anyone. It's called "technological progress", and yes, unfortunately it costs money. A Mac G5 is several generations (in computer-time) old by now. I've been through three computers in the past 10 years and I'm a slower adopter than would be optimal. The next leap for me will have to be 64-bit and a doubling of RAM and GPU capacity.
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I'm in CS4, and I'm painting white on a black layer mask, and I'm getting thirty second delays between my brushstoke and it taking effect? What going on???
Can't really tell with your image upload cause both look the same to me but the brush strokes you are showing are extremely complex and rendered textures...is that what you are intending to paint with? Have you tried painting with a simple gaussian brush?
BTW, any particular reason you posted this question in the Color Management forum? Wrong place for it...
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Thanks Jeff,
the brush I'm using for both screenshots is excatly the same, just the Photoshop brush, I tripled checked, so don't know what that bizarre pattern is any more than you do. that's why I posted it.
I posted here because it was my best guess based on the subject matter. I would recommend starting a forum called, "Photoshop"
I know there are others out there but it would fit it in fine on the LL.
I'm on a four-five year old G5 dual 1.8.
It fine except for this issue. It's got several years of life. I'll not killing it for CS4.
I'm returning the software.
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I'm not dumping my computer just yet either - but it means I either suffer the slower performance of CS4 or do without the new features, or some of both. For now I've largely chosen the latter, so I'll keep CS4 on tap - it's still useable even if a bit hobbled, when I really want to access a new feature. At some point my hardware and software will have to get into sync!
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Also bizarre is the brushstokes in CS4 look like this (click new window):
http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture1yof.jpg (http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture1yof.jpg)
What that's showing is that you're "painting" with the pattern stamp tool, not a brush.
The bubble pattern you're seeing is the default texture for the pattern stamp tool.
So either you are hitting the button below the brush in CS4's toolbar, or somehow CS4 is using the pattern stamp instead of the brush.
One is basic user error, the other maybe far more awkward to resolve. It's unlikely to be anything to do with the openGL issue unless that's involved with the pattern stamp display.
I'm no Mac guru, so someone else will have help with the detailed rectification, but a start might be to try uninstalling and reinstalling CS4 and adding the 11.0.1 update, that might resolve the issue.
I'm using CS4 11.0.1 on Windows XP here and have absolutely no problems with painting on masks, with or without using the pattern stamp, even on a small lowly specified netbook.
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R,
Maybe you are right. It could be a bug that it's painting with pattern stamp even though I have set to brush. That said, I'm unintalling CS4 enterirely and going back to CS3 so it's a moot point for now.
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Seemed to have hit another roadblock.
I went to uninstall CS4, but Adobe seems to have chaine linked Bridge (which I want to keep) to uninstalling with CS4.
Any ideas on this? and what think about this?
They are such different apps, I can't fathom my Adobe forces Bridge to unintall with PHotoshop
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It comes as a package. If you like Bridge CS4 version much better than the CS3 version (I do - it performs faster), you may wish to reconsider returning the software. You may also find other things in CS4 that appeal to you as you work on with it. Have you read Ben Willmore's "Up to Speed" book for CS4 yet? It's a very compact and inexpensive way to get a thorough overview of everything that's new in this up-grade, and one you read it you would have a better basis for deciding whether you should return it.
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64 bit computer with 4 cores and 8 GB of RAM is pretty high spec even in 2009, it's certainly not your average new PC spec, which should run PS fine.
As an example we still have one old dell running CS4 fine with 1.25 gb ram, and a pentium 4 processor, it's a little slow opening (lots of plugins/actions) but works fine after that, and thats with the onboard graphics. Wayne
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Wayne, my machine is higher-spec'd than what you mention and I'm finding the program slow. What do you mean by on-board graphics?
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I do have up to speed. Love that series. Ben Willmore --Can't live without it.
Love BRide CS4. Can't stand PHotoshop CS4.
But I have another issue.
My mac is defaulted to CS4. The change info (command i) will not, I repeat, will not change to CS3, as long as CS4 is installed.
But I now cannot uninstall CS4 photoshop becuase Adobe, chain links Bridge CS4 ( which I love) , to uninstallin PHotoshop CS4
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In Bridge CS4, go to Edit>Preferences>File Type Associations and change the association for PSD, TIFF, JPG to Photoshop CS3. Check that the same has been done in your OS file associations (don't know where this is on a Mac). Then whenever you open one of those kind of files through Bridge, it will trigger Photoshop CS3. The other thing you can do is open Photoshop CS3 before you open any images. Once CS3 is open, any images you open will open in CS3 (at least it works that way in Windows - you can try likewise on your Mac). But alas, if you want to keep Bridge CS4, you will have to keep Photoshop CS4.
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Thanks Mark, good tip with Bridge. Having hell of a time getting the default on the Mac OS to switch to CS3 though. Maybe someone else knows what to do. The Mac file into dropdown keeps reverting back to CS4
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But I now cannot uninstall CS4 photoshop becuase Adobe, chain links Bridge CS4 ( which I love) , to uninstallin PHotoshop CS4
Isn't it time to try uninstalling the whole CS4 suite, as advised, and reinstalling it to see if it corrects the problems you're experiencing ?
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Wayne, my machine is higher-spec'd than what you mention and I'm finding the program slow. What do you mean by on-board graphics?
The built in video card, not a proper graphics card really, it won't even run a decent monitor lol, but CS4 works fine, supprising enough, thats why we havent bothered updating it, we are replacing with Macs as we go along. It's a Dell dimension, about 8 year old, bottom of the range then. Wayne
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.............. CS4 works fine, supprising enough, thats why we havent bothered updating it, we are replacing with Macs as we go along. ..........
Consider yourselves fortunate.
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Thanks Mark, good tip with Bridge. Having hell of a time getting the default on the Mac OS to switch to CS3 though. Maybe someone else knows what to do. The Mac file into dropdown keeps reverting back to CS4
The same thing happens on Windows XP. Somehow or other as long as CS4 is installed on the system, the system will select it as the default imaging application over CS3, unless you are opening a file through Bridge with the file associations set to CS3. For example, when I'm using Lightroom and then exporting the image to PS, I need to open CS3 before I start with LR, so that the image will open in CS3 rather than CS4 upon export. Whichever app you have open first is the one that will host the images - in effect over-riding the penchant of the O/S to select CS4 by default.
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Ok Mark,
Just did what you said. Well first I went into Bridge preference and changed all preferences for jpeg, tiff, and psd to CS3.
Then in bridge opened a tiff and CS4 still launched.
so then I forced quit CS4, and launched CS3 manaully. They opened up a tiff and it opened in CS3.
But when I went to find to try to change all files to open in CS3, CS4 is still listed as default and it wont change.
It like this stubborn Mac thing that wont let CS4 not be the king or something
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Sounds as if the Mac is just a bit more stubborn than Windows with this software. Beats me why. So the workaround is just to launch CS3 before doing anything.
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Yes that is it Mark,
Just got info that Mac defalts to the last version installed, so I "may" uninstall CS3 and reinstall it -- but such a hassle
Of course, the I would have CS3 bridge as my default which I don't want. I want the CS4 version of bridge!
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Yup it is a hassle - moving all the preferences, actions, presets, shortcuts; and even before one gets there, if you've already installed the same CS3 copy on a another computer (e.g. laptop) it's likely you would have to call Adobe and get it re-activated.
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You just reminded me it may not be worth the hassle. Only Adobe right? Who else puts out an upgrade with very few important new features that require a $3500 hardware upgrade to work properly? And then don't allow one to unistall it without also uninstalling the sister app (Bridge) which does not require an upgrade in hardware
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You just reminded me it may not be worth the hassle. Only Adobe right? Who else puts out an upgrade with very few important new features that require a $3500 hardware upgrade to work properly? And then don't allow one to unistall it without also uninstalling the sister app (Bridge) which does not require an upgrade in hardware
Hmmm, amount of money spent to upgrade my system to work with CS4 from CS3:
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There are plenty of people running CS4 on systems with specs such as yours. Have you contacted Adobe for assistance? Have you considered there might be something else on your system conflicting or causing issues? When was the last time you did a clean install of your system?
Even for a Mac, you sure don't need to spend that kind of money to get a new one that will run CS4 smokingly well.
Bridge is a related application - yeah it's a bit annoying to have to uninstall it to uninstall PS but really, so what? Do it and then reinstall Bridge - is that really such a difficult proposition?
Sorry to sound a bit harsh, but you're making a mountain out of a molehill and engaging in an awful lot of hyperbole.
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Phil,
Thanks for you post.
It helped in no way though.
Bridge cannot install by install by itself, it must install with Photoshop.
I have investigated this, and CS4, will not work speedily without a fill new computer upgrade.